The BEST division!
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- This is the best division!
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THIS is part 1. THIS is part 2: czcams.com/video/KXxcC79H5hk/video.html
Give a man a meta template and he will win one game.
Teach a man how build a template according to the situation and he will win all the time
He gets it
I’ve heard too many stories involving a squad of troops and a lone tank. I can’t send the lads in without a light tank in the template. The RP in me demands it!
it was separated from main army, probably recon light tank with a division
LT with a focus on armor and a close support gun with a max speed of 4kph as hardness booster using it as recon support is a good add-on to a defensive template. An infantry tank that can protect the infantry while also dishing out HE soft attack to the enemy is a nice RP.
@@kimpatz2189 eh, 4 km/h recon tank that cannot reliably engage vehicles of same category is not good for the rp.
@@tastethecock5203 then make an offensive recon tank that can match the offensive speed of your div. Swap the gun for a general purpose one and dump the armor to raise the speed.
The infantry LT is just for the defensive div to survive just a bit longer especially when facing an all infantry div and the one doing defense has low manpower to spare. And its cheaper to make than the offensive one that must have a higher breakthrough and speed.
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"Not good for RP"
Well, let's look up what we'll find if we'd look for heavily armored recon tank with interleaved road wheels, single man turret and armed with either machine gun or autocannon, shall we? Woops, we've just described Panzer I F and and Panzer II J recon tanks with 80mm frontal armor, 50mm side armor and having 25kph and 31kph road speed in ideal conditions. Real existing RECON tanks. Whose job was to go in front of the infantry, get shot at and thanks to heavy armor, retreat and report on ambushes. Who could have guessed?!
P.S.: HoI4 uses operational speed, not maximum speed on the road. Operational speed includes moving over actual terrain, getting stuck in dirt, maintenance, rearming, refueling and several other time wasting factors. For example if you travelled the road at 70kph for an hour, then spend 8 more hours in the dirt at 20kph and after that spend 2 more hours for maintenance then your operational speed during that period WON'T be 70kph, it'll be just short of 21kph.
THIS was actually helpful, I wish I'd of had something like this to watched when I was first learning the game... now that I think about it I guess I still am learning the game seeing as on the attack I am really mediocre at best but on the defense I am a complete nightmare.
Right? THIS was a perfect breakdown. It's not so much that I look for the best division... I ask that because the game is so complex that I have a really hard time understanding what each thing does... I couldn't figure out why my divisions would seem good on paper but still fail... and this video was all.. "OH!!!!!!!" I get it now.
I would love to see a full series of "Okay folks, here is what this does in the most basic of terms." Why thing = Good, Why thing = Bad. Boom
wHaTs THe bESt DIViSioN tEMpLaTe dAVe???
WhAtS tHe BeSt CoMbAt WiDtH?
1 artillery
10 with infantry
@@sniperdude6286 9
I love it
Maybe the real best division template was the friends we made along the way.
Personally when going superior firepower I find that a 9/4 inf/artillery with support Art and AA (and when it becomes available support rocket artillery) basically melts everything in my way.
What would you use primarily for defense though (as France for example)
@@Negativitie infantry block of 20 width with support arty and shovels. keep in mind these divisions can't push for shit but are enough to at least give an AI enemy a hard time.
that was actually very helpful. Have been always looking to learn how all the stats work and would honest love if you made a tutorial explaining the stats and kinda do a deep dive into the designer.
Thank you for teaching me more of the game. Your videos really make me want to try different things in HoI4.
Great video. I thought the explainations for what to think about with different scenarios was very informative. I've got over 1,000 hours in the game and you have given me a few new things to think about. Thank you
Thank you for this video. This is the one. These are the videos I need; Im tired of divining the steam guides for tips and tricks only to get lost in the sauce. "Add men more org, Add tank less org" this was a wonderful video and you are an angel of the HOI4 community. Really a ^chefs kiss*
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I did do motorized with towed artillery for the soft attack and it was pretty good for pushing. It's basically a fast version of attack inf when you want speed but cant afford tanks.
Hey @MrFeedback, got a little tip for HOI4 (i think) Last time i was playing i noticed that my airplanes trained at the same speed whether i set it to day + night or just day PLUS i was saving fuel, idk if "exercising" takes time of day into factor but i def was saving fuel & they trained up the same speed. I was playing Lithuania.
42 width with logistics for attack, i personally add 2 medium spgs for extra soft attack cause the ai makes 95 percent infantry. Completely melts Soviets as germany and vice versa. 8-1 inf to artillery for holding the front line, much better than anything the ai makes, also can battle plan cause your soft attack will be higher than theirs. 2k hours now… not proud of that 😂 but pretty much done a world conquest with all majors and a couple minors
Also, something can be said to new players about maximizing your research with country focus bonuses and when to take your army spirits and doctrine! As a newbie I would damn near always forget to progress down it and wonder why I was getting stomped. Also as germany always take motorization drive spirit for free tank templates
This is some good stuff, getting to nearly 1000 hours in the game and just now getting to understand what all the different stats for army, navy, air, etc mean
Ah yes, 1000hrs in a PDX game is about the point you advance from noob to novice.
Probably the one that you can 1)spam; 2)still keep supplied. Imho, two years in and I still avoid playing majors in favor of playing screwed over countries that are interesting from the start.
I personally like doing an AA batallion on my line infantry if I can afford it. Disrupts more planes and gives them a little bite against armor, especially with the scaling bonuses from entrenchment. I still haven't figured out how to make an armor division that's effective even if you aren't contesting the air though.
Mobile aa
Or armored anti air . One man turret to keep hardness. You get to boost armor and they are super cheap
Thanks a lot, this was exactly what I was looking for
"Everyone shut up and play the game. touch some pixels damnit!" -Feedback 2022
I can beat ex ai +4Germany as the Soviet and I still watch feedback's video.
One good tips about playing historical Soviet in pve is you stop every production on civs at the start of 39s, finish those civs that you have already start building, and full scale building mills immediately. It always work wonderfully well for me. I say January 1st 39 is the juicy timing in the historical pve game for the Soviet to stop building civs and start building mills.
thank you- i have 1400 hours and still cant win as USSR. All other nations are easy to me compared to the USSR... except democratic france
@@steppedtuba50 some might say doing mils at the srart of 39 is too early-…
Well in my build I also do full scale mil conversion, so I kinda have to do earlier mil production to make up for the lack of basic equipment stocks. Also you need A LOT OF time to build up the efficiency on tank production lines( or air craft's if you do air sov build).
@@honkai8692 Japan came and kicked my ass. Logistics were so poor, took heavy attrition. 👺
@@steppedtuba50 do you not have historial focus tree on so you are inviaded by japan or you mean you've lost against the japanese when the border conflict event pops up.
I think that a cool concept for a video is: "What is the Best Division to Naval Invade With?" As there are multiple different answers for multiple different situations. I personally like 22width marines, 8 Marine battalions and 2 arti, with support arti, support AA, support AT, Logis, and Shovels.
You make a regular division with marines or amfib tanks instead of infantry and add engineers.
Thanks Dave, this was very helpful and informational! Stay well!
You're welcome! Stay cool.
I usually play single player and my divisions combat width can vary (mostly depending of stats) my usual go to for infantry is 27 width but what is inside can change, while I usually use artillery, sometimes I create a duplicate but add an anti-tank or AA and mix it with my usual troops to help defend against the German tanks
For tanks I usually go for 41-42 combat width, tanks with a mix of trucks
You may want to create an updated vid explaining and going into depth about combat and division stats. It may help clear up a lot of questions a lot of new players may have.
The best division is one you dont have to worry about if it gets encircled
Stalin is proud
If you want to change a whole column of eg. trucks into mechanized, just change it to infantry and then to mechanized. It'll change the whole column at once
As Germany, I find 9inf/1art with light flame tanks, AA(support), Arti(support) and logistics to be good but only tanks/light flame if you cap Netherlands pre-war for the oil.
The one all around division that will hold any line is the 18w arty engi division. Add 1 artillery onto that when you have the industry and its good the rest of the game.
For the Light tank garrison you make interwar light tanks with heavy machineguns rest as standard Do not use tires since you need the hardness and the oneman turret is the cheapest
you would max need 3 mills on it to last for the whole game but more likely 1-2
its also cheaper on manpower good for minor nations
and do keep in mind to remove it in use of normal divisions
I love how (now old) recon tank "meta" was just Panzer I.F and II.J. It's as if things that worked irl suddenly work in HoI4... and then devs nerf them because it "isn't fun or fair or some other excuse".
I played yugoslavia multiple times, and learned that best for the circumstances is to have (obviosly) a lot of infantry divisions, and i make a medium tank with lots of armour and 6 km/h speed, so i can make 8xcavalary + 3xmedium tank division
"Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish.... or don't. He'll be fine - fishing is not that hard"
"Kill a man, and you never need to feed him again" -Iosef Stalin
Space Marines are my go to everytime
i produce all the equipment to that division, and it can do very well
i love "one division for everything", and i love to think that every squad or division has infantry, some other support, and an single tank, or maybe 2, max 4
Space marines are kinda shit now dude
Could you make a video covering the preferred tactics in the officer corps? Is there any point to selecting one? I've never really understood that system
"i wanna teach you to fish not give you the fish" but what if i dont know what bait to use infantry or tanks
This was very helpful, thank you :)
You're welcome!
Very good and straight to the point video
Thank you! Top lad
for small countries 7-2 or 8-2 with aa support company works fine in singleplayer
Whats with the space Marine Template? 40 with Inf / arty and added 2 Armor focused Tanks? I,ve beaten Alex Ramblers can,t save this German Desaster campain a few week ago
you should make a video on the 1939 start date using divisions with low hp and org and compare it with using decent divisions 👀
I always found one heavy tank in 40w infantry division is like gravy for ussr
Tanks don't remove HP, they simply add less.
Will there be a review video for the new dev diary? I just like yours :)
Yes. Soon
Nice video i was looking for something like this for some time.
But one thing im still wondering about is whst those numbers actually mean.
Like u mention that the breakthrough and the soft sttack and so kn is nice.
U did explain org and width a bit but for these other stats im still wondering what kind of values one wants to target.
Which will largely depend kn the enemy most likely. But since i dont know what these number mean. One cant rly start to try and counter or build something that beats my enemies design xD.
Perhabs this is written on the wiki which ill hit up after this.
Thanks a lot :)
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Wow. Your knowledge is impressive. Listening to you without knowing your background, I'd think you helped develop the game.
42 w tanks since most the battles you fight in Europe are Forest or Plains and tanks have 0 issues with plains so making a 30 w is useless. So spec for forests which would be 21 x 2 for the best tank template. 6 Motorized/Mech for Mobile, 8 for any other doc. Rest are mediums, if someone is meming with Heavies that you can't pierce replace one medium with a single medium TD and presto you win. You only need Support AA really, so don't put motorized AA.
My favorite division (for single player) is 10 inf 2 art 2 rocket art 2at 2aa 36w
Support companies: med flame tanks, light armored recon (max soft attack light tank), support arty, support rocket arty, finally engineers.
If I use this and go superior firepower with integrated support the ai will not stand a chance
I always go for breakthrough and armor, just ground down my enemies
basic 20w inf with support aa art and engineers with 30w medium tanks + a few thousand cas works fine for me.
You had me until you said a few 1000 CAS
first 30 seconds are gold:D
It's circumstantial, and probably not worth it for people who want a "perfect" template, but Armour and Piercing are calculated as 40% best plus 60% average, therefore adding a single Medium Tank Battalion to a Light Tank template improves Armour and adding a single Tank Destroyer Battalion to a Tank Template improves Piercing and Hard Attack can make a difference when fighting other Tanks. The downside is needing more types of Equipment, which is prone to imbalanced production and shortage of one type.
Thanks I was starting to think Gudierian was a shit general now I know I made a mediocre division and pushed it out without sufficient factory support.
The most common mistake when you make a division is to forget the terrain.
In China, Africa or Russia, attrition is just too high. So for example for Russia, having engineer (giving bonus movement in marsh) and infantry division under 20 width is important for holding front. Then I use special forces and tanks to prevent any encirclement or collapse of the front.
Then, there is Africa. A logistic nightmare. You cannot make tank division or even special force the same way than in Europe. Two light tanks + 4 MOT + aa and art companyy + flame company to increase soft attacks. Forget about hard attack and use CAS instead.
I think you understand really well the mechanic of the game but you never talk about terrain when making templates.
Having cost effective division is good.
Having division not loosing everything every times they move is better.
Going through my first Germany playthrough now. Learning to fish heard
Good lad
If you are too poor for proper tanks 3/6/3 Light Tank/Mot/Mot-Arty will melt AI infantry effortlessly for a very modest cost, provided you aren't under red air and you have decent breakthrough on your LTs.
Minute two gang.
11 inf 22 width division generally don't have problem with overstocking.
They all overstack. There isn't a 1 size fits all
Not sure why but the medium template you showed had a speed of 4.2 which is obviously bad, but you didn't have any slow moving battalions. I'd suggest among all the stat's you mentioned balancing those increases in a way which never comprimises the movement speed of the main tank your template uses. Ie if youre building a light tank template make sure it is 12 speed or thereabouts, if building medium template make sure it's at least 8 or 9 speed
You also will support armor level of medium tanks on 70+, then you will get shield bonus in 99% battles, because bots don't have strong antitank divisions in early 40's.
I don't know if you've been asked this before, but... How do you feel about every single division having 50-75% infantry & artillery, and 50-25% tanks? Like, every division/battalion has inf, art, and tanks? Does that kind of ruin the idea of a breakthrough specialty army with normal "hold the line" infantry units. Or would it help the army as a whole to be able to both hold and push better?
Yes infantry tanks are a thing and are very OP. However can be expensive producing enough heavy tanks
As long as you have support AA on each division, 18w with it will actually hit the *cap* of 75% reduction from AA against CAS. Stacks with the general ability, if you want to get that too.
For high HP divisions at low IC like infantry, they mostly disrespect CAS at that point for a comparatively small investment.
Edit: soft attack "falling off" is a ridiculous notion though. Breakthrough is nothing more or less than "defense while attacking". If you want crap off that tile you're pushing, you need your divisions doing more damage. Attacks > their defense is the way that happens any time soon.
Damn I needed this video bad.
You're welcome
I use 21 with infantry with 1 arty and I tried experimenting with changing how much arty or how much infantry to add and making them bigger and smaller and no matter what I do by 19 39 or 40 they just get destroyed like a knife in melted butter by Russian or British or even the tiny ass Balken country’s
how dare you assume I want to learn
Would you recommend swapping motorised to mechanised infantry when you have enough? Does it increase the hardness in an attacking tank division?
mehanized is basiccaly motorized just with armor/hardness stats. however keep in mind they do use more supply and are more expensive to produce. if you play germany go ahead
If you have the industry theres no reason why not. You can reduce the production cost in the equipment designer to make them pretty cheap if you also have army XP lying about. Not a necessity though
@@Eren03eren it also has a lot more defence
Yes. BUT only if you can afford it
Is it better to have multiple templates for different tank div. Or one that uses several light, several medium, maybe a couple heavy’s, and then all the supporting Btn?
If u mix those, then you effectively cancel out the best stats the LT or MT has to offer. Its speed. The lowest speed battalion bogs the entire div as it is now the speed of the div. Heavies are for very very heavy punch through the lines. The mediums can do both, heavy punch and some encirclements. And lights can do encircling at a much faster speed. If AI is stacking on the frontlines, bring your heavy divs and punch a hole on the line. This can be followed by mediums if the line has better enemy and needs more armor to compensate in order to do encircling. The lights can be used if for some reason the AI lightly manned the lines and if its forbidden to use heavies or meds as the area has harsh supply issue. Lights can be substituted by motorized if your industry is unable to support fielding tanks of any size. The lights can be designed to match the motorized for a maximum speed use. Motorized and mechanized has a base speed of 11kph. Match it to your tank designer and you can have space for more armor if you design a light tank.
Nope
What about Japanese bicycle infantry? Is it worth adding to the division (it cost 10 support equipment more than regular infantry and has speed of 6.4 km/h) or I just skip it and go for motorized/mechanized instead?
The second one: is it worth to build small (20 to 30 combat width) tank division for Africa/China/South America?
And the last one: can you give any tips regarding special forces? How am I should build mountaineers or should I build them at all? Same goes for marines and paratroopers.
Bikes are just mobile infantry. And special forces are just infantry replace for bonus's
@@FeedbackIRL thanks for the answer and video! Best regards, man!
Are armored cars ever worth it or are they just more of an rp thing?
What is the best unit if i want to send units to america with germany?
And wich doctrine is the best?
Since the first enemy as Manchukuo would be Japan, would it be wise to change the infantry in the attacking division with marine or mountaineers for invading?
Motorized and do the encirclement.
If not, use the cavalry and do encirclement.
Use conservative combat width and a small number of divisions to make a punch on the line and encircle them. Atleast 12 or 15 divs will do.
Large amount of divs on a tile hits hard on supply.
@@kimpatz2189 ah, so switching from infantry to special forces isn't worth the cost?
Pog. I'll spread this so people stop asking.
Lad
No matter what, I will always make my mediums 8-9 kph because I love memes.
Ok, you don't want us to ask you what is the best division template for X, Y and Z... But what about A, B and C?
You think A, B and C is hard? Just wait until I tell you about 1, 2 and 3.
Ok last question of this kind how to build effective naval invasion and paratroopers division?
In single player games against the AI you don't need particularly strong special forces units. 20-30 cw marines or even infantry with engineers for naval invading. Literally one battalion of paratroopers bc successful paratrooper operations are rare so using them as fodder is preferred.
OK, that sems helpful. But is it better to make armies that are all one division type, or should each army have a mix of divisions?
Mix
@@FeedbackIRL So if you've got an army with a mix of front-line defensive divisions and breakthrough divisions, and you give it a battleplan, will the AI use the breakthrough divisions to attack with, or do you have to micro it?
we are not asking for a fish, we are asking whch fish is the best to fish for
The one that's biting.
wow
So I am trying to learn to play as Japan. Any tips on what I should be focusing when trying to design divisions for invading China and afterwards fighting the Allies?
20 width infantry with support artillery and 42 width marines with lots artillery and aa and support aa and logistics would I suggest. I would focus on air. Overall the biggest challenge is the supply so you should not make big divisions and win with CAS and fighters.
@@BomKaBom Thank you very much for your help and for the provided guidance :)
I would add to previous comments that I would recommend also make a reconnaissance agency, add 5 upgrades to it to get a second spy and make collaboration government in China at least 2-3 times so you wouldn’t have to walk all the way to the last capital in the depth of China to capitulate.
I have a question about the garrison template: Why cavalry specifically?
Edit: I should probably clarify why I'm asking. I usually have a 2w infantry division template just for the purposes of training new divisions quickly, and I was wondering if it would be worth it to use that as a garrison instead, so I'm only wasting 5xp rather than 10
Cavalry = extra suppression and cheap
cavarly is way cheaper than normal divisions
cheap and more suppression than infantry
dont know why ppl say its cheaper, its not really. the reason u want cavalry is for suppression, add a MP support and you should be gucci.
@@sirundying What does suppression do? Also didn't feedback say MP's only work with larger divisions?
what outro music
Cavalry meta when???????
How should I build a tank? Whenever I try to create it doesn't work... What should I focus on creating it?
Build it to what you need. Did you watch the video?
Good
This might sound stupid but I thought that you need tanks to push and do encirclements
Tanks are better than infantry for that, but cas is the real playmaker
You could encircle the AI by speed-walking around them
@@FeedbackIRL well that changes everything in a good way and I'm going to need to preform a test
Dave how many fish should I put in my Divsions?
All of them
AND motorized has hardness. Not much, but it's there. And there's even more of it once you've researched mech. Don't have to build mech, just research mech 1 and your trucks now have twice the hardness they had previously.
5% to 10% nothing to get too excited about
@@FeedbackIRL AH but.
If your opponent has very little hard attack it's close enough to basically 10% breakthrough, in taking that % damage from soft attack off the table.
@@Klemeq AI start adding support AT to their infantry divisions in early 40s, so 5-10% of hardness is basically nothing
What is the best division for making you happy, Division Daddy?
I like to LARP as a modern NATO army: no tanks, barely any artillery, lots of specialist support companies, all-mech template.
And LOTS of CAS.
Modern NATO army is when you play Germany or France with only 5 military factories pretending it's great
*Stronk division*
But I dunwannalearnstuff... If you don't have spoons, use a fork!
Nub
i have tested it and i like 29with and 35 with divs
are they good idk
As long as you don’t stack like 4-5 in a battle they are probably fine. Check your battles when fighting to see if you are over stacking combat width frequently
Anything from 15-45 is fine in general but it depends on the situation!!
james corden
best tank division for oman pls :)
Not
For me it feels like for single player a very good division is a 15/5.
What’s the difference between Armor and Hardness?
They are not comparable. They do 2 different things
Tabks remove exp
i know very good to control a nation economicaly speaking and others, but then make me build a template and control a army, u just gave me the ultimatum, u happy?
So that was good and all but I feel like you really avoided any discussion about what is the best division....
Sorry had to do it.
Someone missed the point of the video
Can't you get tungsten from Sweden playing as Germany?
Yeah but very little
towed vs self propelled guns?
Towed, it's cheaper
Do you need armour?
As in use SPG if you need armour or were you asking if I had a specific template I was designing? I was just asking in a general case.
CZcams seems to think i need to watch this.
It's all going according to plan