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Give me a flame tank and I could take down any empire
FeedbackIRL, please dont use scondary cannon, use EXTRA AMMO AND WET STORAGE BEST COMBO AND YES IM CHAD TESTER
like no joke fr, extra ammo and wet storage is op
@@0926001 also additional machine guns is very cost effective for soft attack
I don't know if u have tried to max armor on that light tank and add a heavy flame tank to your special forces (even paratroopers). I've tested it and it can get rly ridiculous for majors like Japan
Which land doctrine were you using as Yugoslavia?
you could put dozer blades on both the recon tank and the flame tank to stack entrenchment too
2 entrenchment for 1x2x24=48 IC is IMO not worth it, but go ahead
@@martinnimcevic565 Was about to mention that. Still, 2 entrenchment during the early game is pretty significant, especially considering engineers 1 gives, 2 entrenchment. (I know dozer blade and flame thrower requires engineers 2, but still it's like adding 1 tier of engineers to the division you're making
@@Snowfireblues This is wrong. 1936 engineers grant 5 entrenchment to the division, with each upgrade granting 2 more. Dozer blades are permanently 1 entrenchment per tank.
@@Snowfireblues Engineer company is very overrated in my opinion, cost in support equipment is huge, 30x4 IC meaning 120 IC goes on engineers, thats up to 20-25% cost of your infantry divisions in some cases. All for 5 entrenchment and some mostly defensive bonuses. Edit: when it comes to tanks, each and every support company you add lowers all other main stats like org, piercing and armor, so if you are going to add any companies, I suggest flame tank, logistics and AA if not grean air.
@@martinnimcevic565 expensive yeah but I wouldn’t say overrated. I think they’re worth it if you don’t really plan on using infantry to push and just want them to hold the line.
I just did a game as the Soviet Union with armored recon on all my infantry. I focused more on armor than speed. If it’s on infantry you only need 4 km/hr. I ended up with about 18 armor on every 10 width infantry. The chance to have enemy do only 50% damage due to the armor made it so I could hold the line at the border and didn’t even have to abandon Poland.
You can hold Poland fairly easily without having to (IMO) cheese the game with super marines, ESPECIALLY with vanilla AI.
@@MundaneThingsBackwards
Yeah as a large power its easy, just need infantry + 6000 CAS.
But as a minor, making 6000 CAS is next to impossible within 4 years, you need 30 mills on it, if this was a pro-historical MP game, you would put 100 mills on fighter and another 50 - 75 on CAS.
That must be at least 20 000 tanks
@@MundaneThingsBackwards well apparently I suck. I’m Democratic Russia and I invaded Germany while it invaded France in 1940. It spanked my invasion and I’m having to use Dvina and Dnieper Rivers to hold the axis back after France fell. I spank the lesser but Axis but if the Germans show up I get stopped and slowly pushed back. I managed to improve my division layout and spammed lend lease to get ahold of everything. Only good news is Japan declared on me and my civil war cavalry just walk right through them.
One thing I want to point out is that recently I used heavy tanks in a single player game where I had 100% red air the entire war because allies were garbage and even Britain got naval invaded by Germany. It turns out that heavy tanks were able to conduct offensive operations with thousands of CAS buzzing overhead. When I tried to use modern tank divisions of 44W they got deorganized instantly because of the red air, couldn't attack anything with them - but heavy tanks could continue attacking for days if not weeks. So there may be a possible reason to use heavy tanks. Winning the air war vs like 3000 CAS and 5000 fighters as a minor was harder than building those heavy tanks believe me.
How effective is Anti-air these days? Pre-NSB, I could move my heavy tank divisions without penalty under red air if I had 2 brigades of Heavy SPAA and 1 support AA company, but I heard AA got nerfed?
@@darthimperious1594 I had anti air in both my modern and heavy tank divisions because of the red air. I believe it was either 1 or 2 brigades. Motorized, not SP. I don't know if it's nerfed or not, but it was doing something. Lots of enemy bombers got shot down.
Reminds me of a fascist USA campaign I played where Germany/Britain were allied. They had 11k fighters and 5k bombers guarding Britain so it took me 2 years to make enough AA and 80 factories on fighters to finally get it to yellow air so I could capture the southern half of the British isles. What a war
@Darth Imperious it got nerfed in the sense that before you just had like 8 hSPAA in a brigade, now it's more like 36 or smth. But the values and I guess the calculations are the same.
And that's generally speaking. The SP brigades use just a little less equipment than the actual proper tank brigade.
no evidence for that. all tanks are equal shit vs air. same org/strength/fuel.
all tanks can do better vs red air with AA in them, heavies not better.
Finally, one of you guys lay it out. I would recommend testing it on the defense; The bonuses from flame tank work on defense as well.
Also the plus 1 entrenchment you can get with the tank module, great on defense
I also recently discovered this and am very happy to see you make a video on it. Keep up the good work bro!
The power of retaining massive breakthrough and armor when adding just 24 pieces of a tank to a division... This is just so incredible now. Would carry armored recon company to the S tier by itself.
And don't forget piercing. You can have enough piercing for any AI tank division just with those light tanks 😂
The armored recon companies also make a *lot* of sense in that you will be making light armor as most nations for a period of time, but tend to want to swap out to mediums in your actual templates... all those old light tanks can go to good use as recon instead!
I do multiple versions of tanks.
Recon lights are armed normally, flames just have the bare minimum.
Love the vids keep doing it bro
Also with the second engineer tech you can add dozer blade on both the flame tanks and scout tanks so you give your infantry line extra entrenchment. So even better defensive capability.
Ive been watching all your videos since I found this channel, I havnt even watched the vid and know im going to find out something new about one of my favorite games :')
Also, if you start with or build light tanks early in the game, then upgrade to medium tanks, you have the light tanks for support companies *for free*.
Sweet, I been doing this with tank recon since I read about them being mostly defensive aid. Figured more custom tanks are good!
Awesome discovery!! Thanks!!
"No matter how impossible they may look, no roads are impossible for a tank. A tank can keep going, even through a volcanic eruption." -- Miho Nishizumi, Girls & Panzer: der Film
I think I watch more this than your main channel, I like learning
Good intriguing video once again.
One thing as a minor nation, would it be worth sacking off tank divisions entirely and just use these support companies on an all Mechanised template due to the ability to lower the Mechs production cost?
You can probably make an equivalent light tank division for less production
I've been saying this since release date. Glad that people finally kind of figure it out
As a person who still can’t seem to design divisions well (especially armored divisions) this was extremely informative
Edit: for everyone giving me tips, I sincerely thank you. I will try to put this info to good use
The new combat width changes made it difficult! Honestly, it's kind of fun, but yeah, it's hard these days man.
try use 7,2 along with flame tanks and light tanks and also logistic for low oil cost
An easy shortcut I'd reccomend is
First choose a combat width. Second only use tank and motorized battalions. Finally just add tanks and motorized until you reach your desired combat width and have 25-35org. Use that as a baseline and deviate from it as you see fit. Maybe add mechanized late game.
@@0sm1um76 thank you
@Manfred von Richthofen since the combat width is all over the place, I think it is more relevant to look on the main stats and disregard combat width. Up to 44 you are fine anyway.
And then aim to get 30+ org and especially 50%+ hardness(!). Because a lot of the good offensive tactics (blitz, breakthrough,...) query for the division hardness to be over 50%. And it directly reduces soft attack, which is usually much higher than hard attack.
So the more hardness the better.
Something to be aware of with flame tanks is that you can attack them to marines and paratroopers.
You can paradrop tanks.
So armored cars are useless now. You can have light tanks cheaper than armored cars also for garrisons
Light tanks have less supression though so they aren't as effective as garrison
I think they should have get rid of armored cars and replace them with light tank with wheel suspensions (adding the suppression, recon and other bonuses specific to armored cars)
Since they are from different DLCs, I get why they didn't do that, but this is a missed opportunity
@@tetsudo6934 If you watch Feedbacks video on Garrisons suppression doesn't matter since the game only uses as much as needed. If an area being garrisoned by one whole division with 1 suppression, and is swapped out for another garrison with 2 suppression, the game will only use half of that new garrison because that's all that the area needs
@@parkerwalden6614 Yes but if you have only one division of armored car as garrison, the game will use less total manpower and equipment than if you have something else because you will have more supression with less garrison
@@tetsudo6934 The light tanks will also have more hardness than armored cars, meaning you lose much less equipment over time to garrisons that are actively rebelling against you. A 2 width cheapest as possible interwar tank is probably the single best garrison right now for saving mp and equipment over time.
Flame recon, armour recon, artillery, rocket artillery and AA makes a division absolutely unbeatable in this recent patch especially if it’s a 14-4. Yes it’s a pain to produce but if I’m going late game that’s my end game division template to mass produce because the soft attack is unreal especially if you get the rocket bonuses next to the nuclear tree as I think that gives rockets more soft attack than normal artillery
I also think the latest rocket artillery upgrade gives a bigger boost to mot. Rocket artillery than to the towed one.
You may want to check that out.
Nice video, I'll try that!
never tried to make flame tanks before, gonna have to try that now.
Been using this template since No Step Back came out, plus a logistics company and maybe some line artillery or line AA if I can afford it. Don't even need tanks with this template, you might occasionally be pushed by an armored division, but it doesn't matter because you'll be pushing everywhere else along the line and quickly encircle the enemy armored divisions.
Best of all, you can throw amored recon and all flame tanks together with paratroopers out of a plane!
We are one step closer to actual space marines assaulting the enemy from space!
thanks dave, you da man
When I watched your ranking of support companies recently this was one of the first things that came to mind when it comes to armor recon and your writing them off. I should have spoke up then. Oh well.
Just pointing it out but you only need a single 1 width cav with a recon enhancement to sit in reserve in a 300 width battle to get the full recon buff
For defensive I like to add flame&recon tanks with Bulldozer shields, giving you +2 entrenchment
armored recon and flame tanks are one of my favourite support companies, just the fact they add armor could be enough for me
Why is the required reliable only 58%? Is there some calculation that everyone knows, because Feedback accepted that comment immediately, as if it was common knowledge.
It's a math thing. I guess when there are less of the tanks per division reliability is totally irrelevant. If you have a big 40w tank division it's a little more necessary
Reliability with planes is pretty irrelevant too
It's to do with the amount of equipment in the division. The more of that equipment in the division the higher the reliability needs to be to offset attrition loss, the less equipment in the division the less reliability matters because it'll be taking a minimum amount of attrition loss regardless.
There's a guide which explains it all and includes a graph of optimal reliability % for the different equipment numbers, 24 light tanks are in the division meaning only 58% reliability is needed.
The Guide in all its glory: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2714213712
Or if you'd prefer to just listen Feedback did a video on the topic using said guide here: czcams.com/video/2HfBLzq2ozc/video.html
@@MrFaorry thanks for the link, thats what I needed! :)
So to sum up can you make the best division ATM? With all the support companies?
I did this build as British raj 1 week after the dlc release this template shredded the North Africa campaign. Best anti infantry template as far I have experimented with.
If you research AT1 and slap a HV gun on the light tank you can make an AT recon support
i learn more from this thanks bro
6:30 that dude predicted the future
Oh I just got an idea for Finland in Minor Nations Reborn mod. Soviets are gonna pay harshly.
I have a problem. It is shown at around 5:00 min in to the vid. Every time I try to classify it but the option is hidden for tank creation
I still put recon on my offensive tank divisions just to spite you
Based
I used your 30 minutes in hell guide to get the achievement after no step back was released, only needed to tweak it a little bit for the new mechanics, still took me 5 tries lol
Fuck! I knew I was a genius!! I had discovered this awhile back and I had streamed it but I'm not sure I ever made a video about it... :( no that anyone would of seen it anyway
Slap those bad bois onto paratroopers haha
On paper adding a flame tank to fat tank division should be better since the buffs are percentage based. Higher base stats = more increase. On smaller/infantry divisions, you're then relying a more on the base stats of the flame tank (more obvious with recon since there's no base stat reduction on that one).
Played Germany with armored recon before I fully knew this was a thing. HUGE difference. I was able to break through all of the enemy divisions thrown at me. I highly recommend building super high tech tanks and keeping them up to date.
Constructive criticism is appreciated for me though, I'm no master at the game by any means.
That's exactly what I posted as a comment a day ago under your video "There are two types of HOI4 players...". Awesome coincidence!
Recorded 13th of feb
Maybe some episode, about You mentioned - Yugoslavia defeated Axis via space marines? :)
I just wanna put something here about divisions
Premise 1. You want your divisions to win
Premise 2. The more stats your divisions have PER COMBAT WIDTH, the more effective they are
Premise 3. Support companies dont use combat width
Conclusion? Support companies add stats for "free" from a combat width perspective
Now heres the bit more esoteric part, Take a small combat width division, 10 to 15, smth like that maybe even less, now consider that military police support companies give just as much stats as a normal infantry division but for NO combat width. If you were a minor country and cant add all the good stuff for your support companies, adding military police for combat divisions would be a good idea as it would augment your divisions to be better, for a 19 combat width (7 inf 1 art) which is a common starting template, it would increase the stats by 10%, but use up no combat width.
Now the truly esoteric part, take a really small combat width division, 4 infantry. Now give them support artillery, Entrenchment, Armored recon (not because recon is good, but because its a way to add light tanks in and i dont have no step back xd), military police and lastly a logistics or field hospital because those give +5 breakthrough, you'll be getting roughly 35% of their defence stats PURELY from the support companies and roughly HALF (50%) of the soft attack from support companies, now you make hundreds of these divisions. Your divisions would be recieving more of their stats from non combat width consuming support companies, so THEORETICALLY their stats would be better than larger divisions per combat width, does this make sense?
Normally you want to keep production costs down which is why you don't just willy nilly slap support companies on divisions (especially the atrocious cost of field hospitals), and oftentimes it's better to equip a new division than waste manpower on small stat bumps for existing ones
@@andrewgreeb916 True on the field hospital part, just use anti air instead as they'll give more stats, and no if you've already got plenty of divisions on a front to the point where you are looking for a way to outstat your opponent on the infantry side of things this looks like a go to way to do it
if you want to see a crazy division, do everything you did here and add it to a marine vision 1x5 marine, 1x5 infantry, 1x5 amtracs. by 42 my marines had over 250 breakthrough and nearly 600 defense.
why would you stack regular infantry in a marine division? Doesn't that just reduce the marine buffs?
What army doctrine should i go for if i have only flame tanks support in infantry divisions and no tank divisions?
Now to make a 10 width with armoured recon and light flame tanks with support artillery and the superior firepower doctrine
More cost effective if the division size was around 20-30w
Man discovers late WW1 infantry division. c. 1918 (colorized)
I love having my infantry units absorb bullets as Luxembourg
Could you do a video on the optimum air wing size for CAS and Fighters? I remember people mentioning that it matters how big the air wing size is a few years ago but I completely forgot and can’t find anything on it. The same thing for other types of aircraft would be nice but CAS/Fighters are the most important
The smaller the size the higher chance of griding ace but can be a lot of cancer if they are super small
50 is the best value in theory. But honestly, everything under 100 fighters is not worth the hustle imho, microing that becomes harder.
@@12gark if u want to grind ace then one is optimal
@@adrianlin3891 true 😂😂😂
Spain air volunteer meta
So are paratroopers with armored recon and support flame (heavy) tank new meta now?
Full infantry division with armored recon is what i have been use mostly against china as JP, before NSB you can steamroll china by the end of 1940 eventhough you start in 1938, esp back then china's AI just keep on attacking relentlessly to the point they had 0 manpower by early 1940 and i can hold the ground thx to Armored recon with standart 1936 light tank while casually played the game. after NSB though, not so much since the AI has been tweaked and the logistic also has different mechanics.....
Im still learning the game and got a question to ask. Do you have to produce the same tank that we designed (in this case is the light recon tank and light flamer support tank) do we need to produce it to gain the stat that you put in division designing?
I'm confused - can you rephrase your question?
I mean do i have to produce both tank to gain stats? Or just normal light tank is ok
Since you're adding tanks anyway, you could design them to go at 6km/h, and pair them up with cavalry, for 50% speed increase :)
So the jack of all trades was found, the only thing needed is to have the correct combat width
Anything between 10w and 45w works
@@FeedbackIRL Thanks, I was actually recalling to that video you showed some sort of calculator or python thing that counts the terrains in the areas you will be fighting and then from there making the calculation of what would be the best combat widths for the area/nation you are trying to attack
The difference is between 1% and 5% it's not worth getting hung up over
Light armoured recon is armoured car, not light tank. The armoured recon is light tank.
Yeah, but those division now consume fuel. That's mean that without fuel they slow af and are unless without supplies.
also a thing I noticed is all support companies are able to paradrop
hmmmmmmmm...
Ngl ever since I discovered the flame thrower, I placed it on the cheapest heavy I can make and I absolutely love it
Does tank speed change anything in support companieds? I think it doesnt so you can make it even cheaper
keep in mind that not all the stats transfer 1:1 when being used as recon
soft/hard attack: -50%
breakthrough/defense: -25%
supply use: -98%
PIERCING AND ARMOR VALUES ARE IN FULL
HARDNESS OF COMPANY DOES NOT AFFECT THE DIVISION
also, since recon tanks only use 24 pieces of equipment, you can let reliability on those tanks fall to ~60-70% without major losses from attrition.
EDIT: personally I like to larp with my recon tanks and make Panzer II 'L' Luchs with interleaved roadwheels bc free breakthrough :P
I defeated Germany as Poland with max armored light tanks in armored recon divisions. Hell I even gave dozer blades to these tanks.
weird question but, can you make flame tanks if you dont own/have activate the No Step Back DLC? because, in the tool tip for engineer com. 2, writes you unlock flame tanks, but you dont have the option to make them even without the DLC.
Is Paradox lying to me?
I wish you could do the same with SPAA SPAS and SPAT.
now we are talking the same. recon its still good in a ofensive, cose (exept with mobile warfare where with the speed the dynamics could be diferent) help holding the counter attacks on a taken province. Its op, no, but helps and in a front defends help a lot, but have generals with high stats nerf recon or make some of the work... Yes finally, suport tanks works, i would like medium companies and heavy for UK for example.
With mobile warfare tank recon gets bonuses, so they're even better than with other doctrines...
Wait, if reconnaissance is better on the defense then isn't just as important on the offensive to counter defensive reconnaissance?
You can't make heavy tank recon, only flame tank and flame tank has -75% armor, so I'm not sure if that's worth it.
I think flame tank is only for the bonuses, so the cheapest one is good enough, until you have enough industry for something better.
I think that for flame tanks, the solution is just to convert what your main army is not using anymore. Like you research heavy II, and you convert part of your stockpile of heavy I to flame tanks just changing the cannon (same thing for light and medium, of course). Like what you were used to do with SPG, TD and SPAA.
Flame on baby
I wonder What happens if you slap on the stuff that gives dig in bonus on the tanks in support, flame and recon.
1 additional entrenchment for Light Tank Recon and flame each. So +4% extra defense afaik. Not great, not terrible, but if you design a purely defensive division and you would have put them in there anyway...
Considering you already have engineers to get flame tank you should have plenty already.
@@andrewgreeb916 the more, the merrier. If you can afford it, light tanks can be produced dirt cheap, it's a great defensive asset.
Hear me out on this: what if you replaced that AA in the template with AA tanks for even more stats?
If you really want to sure but you're sacrificing ic for that
If you have the ability to make AA tanks and add them to a batallion you probably have enough ic to do planes instead. CAS is still the most op shit you've ever seen
Line AA is 1 combat width vs. SPAA being 2 combat width. I have no idea why they changed this in NSB, it's poo. For the same IC you could make 2x line AA or mot. AA and end up with way more air attack. The only benefit would be the armor I think, but it probably wouldn't make that much difference.
It makes me kinda sad that the AI doesn't utilize the meta fully. Important to note support tanks give armor yes but no hardness. Not sure if that matters but I almost always use light tonk with auto canon with wheels bc like I said the hardness doesn't matter.
Yes but %10 Breaktrough one is better for recon because more Breaktrough for the win
There's a mod called better ai 4.0 that makes them use tryhard multiplayer meta divisions and every nation follows it's tech and focus tree optimally and focus on specific builds (like ai Britain will actually rush and spam air like in a multiplayer game)
Sadly dozer blade entrenchment was "fixed" ie made useless. Yeah, sure, having de facto 40(24 recon+16 flame) light dozers available at your disposal for digging trenches isn't going to impact the speed and quality of your trench work _significantly..._
Paradox will probably just patch the AI to build support anti tank to counter light tanks and make them obsolete from 1940ish onwards.
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I'm beginning to see a pattern of the preferred playstyle of Feedback: quantity over quality; always the cheapest submarines, tanks, don't want to "waste" equipment doing some support companies and generally just spam out as much as possible.
Disclaimer: not criticizing at all, just an observation.
On another note, seems like you missed the point of combat tactics?
Having the higher Reconnaissance in combat lets you counter enemies tactic, sure, but those tactics can be on the offensive as well...say enemies use Ambush, you counter it with Breakthrough and gets you a step closer to winning the battle.
It's a tool to boost your units that directly involve the combat system, why not use it?
If we're on the subject of combat tactics personally I love the new Grand Battleplan, which has TWO tactics that cannot be countered: Infiltration Assault & Well-Planned Attack, which most people forget that you can assign any of those tactics(as preferred) to individual generals, field marshals and in your Army Officer Corps(next to where you select doctrine), which makes your army incredibly powerful almost always using combat tactics that cannot be countered.
I think the point he's trying to make is that yeah, getting the rolls on combat tactics is good, but is it good enough to justify putting the extra IC into your divisions just for that? I used to swear by recon but having played many games now without it I have come to the conclusion that no, in general it's not. Might as well invest the IC into more soft attack or just making more, cheaper divisions. I think with the game as it is now (esp. early game) quantity is incentivised over quality. Having strong divisions is good but if you don't have enough to reinforce the front line in a defense situation, you're screwed. 2 10-width divisions constantly reinforcing each other can hold much longer than just a single 20-width for example, because each division has time to recover. Obviously there's some caveats to that logic, but that's how I justify quality vs. quantity right now. It's also largely a matter of constant testing, throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.
Also, I discovered that every doctrine has attack and defence tactics which can't be countered. Personally I am simping for SFP's Suppressive Barrage right now as you get it with the first doctrine, and the Smoke and Fire bonus from the officer corps which gives it a greater selection chance also provides +5% breakthrough. It's a nice little early game boost that is pretty easy to get hold of.
Using this as italy
a day before posting the video, I made a game with the Turks with the same template lol... it's very effective in singleplayer
Wish we could attach support assault guns :\
sloped armor with the cheapest plating .. my heart is bleeding
You need to redo the whole tier list 🙃
Metas is going too fast WAAA
Best part: the flame tank thing can be Heavy tanks, so what i do is i make a flame tank with the highest soft attack possible 🙃
I used hign velocity cannon on recon light tank and that bad boys easy kill enemy tanks with my AA and they SO cheap
Cheers for this, might re-do my Romania game. Used your garrison div meta and saved so much man power! Now with this Soviet Union should melt!
Does this work without no step back?
light tank recon giving armor really feels like maximum chees. Or I should better say the way how it gives armor to the whole division.
Even with the expert ai mod the ai cant handle armor early making the war vs China as Japan for example so easy, that it feels equal to just typing annex Chi in the console.
You are late too this party:p
Before update I think 1.15 support flame tank did not have lowered armor that significantly. And you where able to get 27 width infantry with flame tank that had 16 Armor with medium flamer with armor +9 (so you don't use chrome) And this was so much better since divisions with aa added have around 14 piercing. That means that only divisions with AT or tank divisons with anti tank canons could pierce. For example in 1939 Germany have only like 2-3 tank and 2 mountain divisions that could pierce this armor while your design can be pierced by every German division since every German division have AA.
I used that to stem role Germany and Soviet as Democratic "defending" Poland. By 1941 war was over and i had all soviet, german, Italian, czech, hungary, romaina and bugaria teritoris except 2 states British supervised. And it is crazy how strong this was Koningsberg fallen in first week of war Germans where berly slowing us down .
Let's not say too much because don't let paradox hear it.
I feel like fuel would become a more serious issue on a larger scale, especially as someone like Germany
They are just 24 or 15 tanks per division, and you don't need to boost the speed if you use them only on infantry. It's something, but not a game changer. The air will require waaay more.
Not really, as Germany you will build fuel in the Reichsautobahn area so it's not a problem.
So I was right when used tank recoinesance
One Question: Isn`t the speed stat on your tanks in this case completly irrelevant? I think, at least before NSB support companies didn`t affect the speed of the division, so if this is still true you don`t need to spend any points into engine, let your support tanks crall at a lower speed than the infantry and still have your divisional speed of 4.0 km/h.
They already reduced the division's speed before NSB, but without the tank designer it was only noticeable when adding cav recon (6.4 km/h) or early armored car recon (9.0 km/h) to fast tank divisions.
But the game doesn't allow you to design tanks that are slower than 4.0 km/h anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
Stop leaking my tactic to everyone XD, i usually use recon light with high velocity cannon and high breakthrough so you can defend against tanks and push enemy taks if attacfking from multiple directions
Hmm, the 21w(infantry+1atrillery) with support Artillery, Anti-Air and Armored-Recon seems to be the winner I guess?
Engineer isn't that strong on offensive infantry, Field Hospitals and Maintenance and Signals aren't that strong right now and Logistics aren't worth on divisions below 40w.
So for basically everyone except Germany, the French military doctrine of using tanks to support infantry is now superior to the blitz tactics that both _beat France_ and won the war in Europe when the USSR and Allies adapted to them.
You could go the extra mile and make an aa tank
That's what the America team did in then Great Game for TommyKay. USA trashed the world with tank recon and flame tanks. They were ahead of the time!
Don't show that Paradox. They patch out everything that is fun.
For real though: With their new combat width system they intended to make people think about the best possible unit compostion for every terrain type. But after one game you realize that it is just not realistic to change your template around every 5 tiles you conquer and you start searching for space marines again. What i can reccomend is using medium tanks with the medium cannon two and 3 stabilizers. A good template with some SPA, flame tank support and mechanized steamrolls everything. I conquered 1944 america with 55k to two million casualties with that template.
Beating the AI is not indicative of anything regarding balance, you can easily WC even with the terribly outdated 7/2