Doctor Who | 14x5 "Dot and Bubble" | REACTION
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The world of Finetime seems happy and harmonious. But an awful terror is preying on the citizens. Can the Doctor and Ruby make them see the truth before it's too late? - Krátké a kreslené filmy
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It was absolutely racism. She only ever listened to Ruby, she was awful to the Doctor, the whole time. It was done so well. Ruby was the first one to realise they were racist, the Doctor had to catch up due to so many years as a white person and never experiencing it first hand. That is the same for so many people, we don’t see it because of our own privilege.
If you rewatch the episode, there are a lot of things Lindy says and does that are signs of her racism. They are the type of microaggressions that we see every day, but you wonder “was that racist or just someone being a jerk.” It’s only when you put them all together and consider what happened at the ending that you realize, yes, this was all definitely racist.
Just some examples what Lindy says and does:
Blocks the Doctor with a look of disgust, but doesn’t block Ruby.
Repeatedly tells the Doctor that she “hates” him.
Says she thought the Doctor just looked like the earlier person she blocked.
Freaks out that the Doctor and Ruby are in the same room. Why? She works in the same room with other people.
Objects to the Doctor’s tone as “condescending,” but doesn’t do that to Ruby.
Tells her friends that the Doctor will be “disciplined” and she is glad about it.
Tells her friends that the Doctor is not as dumb as he looks. What about his looks would make her think he is dumb?
Gives reluctant thanks to the Doctor for saving her life, adding that he had a duty to do it.
Tells the Doctor that it is maybe okay to have “screen-to-screen” contact, but can’t go with him in the real world. She is very clear that she is speaking to the Doctor when she says she can’t go with “you.” She is not addressing Ruby.
Says nothing when her friends call the Tardis voodoo and say they need to leave so he doesn’t contaminate them.
@@jwsel Great list. (Small autocorrect interference: Ben for been.)
@@HuntingViolets Thanks. I fixed it to say he had a duty, since that is the word Lindy used.
@@jwsel You're welcome. :)
@@jwsel also asks if the slugs are “something to do with you” to just the Doctor. Also Ricky acts just like the Doctor (also like the nods to Ricky reading including history making him a better person) and she thinks he is brilliant but she treats the Doctor with such discuss, even though they have the same character.
It occurs that racism is new to the Doctor. He's used to being a Time Lord who struts around like he own the place.
Yes and that shows that the writers are racist because in real life, people of ALL races are racist. But the Doctor Who writers seem to think that only white people are racist. It's pure anti-white racism. So hypocritical to make a show decrying racism when they themselves are incredibly racist and do little to hide their racial discrimination.
Nice one 😄 Justice for Martha!
@@Blue_Grass_Girl To "him" as in affected by directly faced by oneself, not just witnessing others face it
That, and he's used to being hated for the things he's actually done. Trust me, He doesn't get warm and fuzzy hugs from the Daleks and Cyberrmen and their fear of him is well known and fully justified.
But being distrusted because of how he looks and his help being treated as an obligation for someone who sees themselves as superior to him is, for him anyway, novel
Rewatch it! And count the micro aggressions…. This episode is about racism. It’s more than the lack of black people in the episode. She called the Dr stupid, dumb, a criminal… She didn’t recognize him the second time she saw him because she thought they all looked the same. She literally called the police on him! The amount of casual racism that goes unnoticed on the first watch is insane.
What's a "micro aggression"? The monsters in the episode were aggressive, rude, unpleasant, but this was hardly "micro". They were just unapologetically horrible, vile people. People with no soul, no compassion, no love, just narcissistic zombies.
Microaggression is a term used for commonplace verbal, behavioral or environmental slights, whether intentional or unintentional, that communicate hostile, derogatory, or negative attitudes toward those of different races, cultures, beliefs, or genders.
she also freaks out when realizing ruby and the doctor are in the same room "you're together!" and says he will be disciplined and she cant wait
Yeah, some people think, that the Episode IS about social Media, and then randomly introduces racism at the end on top, but the Episode was about echochambers, where people use social Media to only Surround themselves with people that agree with them. Social Media by itself is Not Bad, If used correctly It can Help people to stay in Touch with their Friends and Family.
Ncuti is dealing with this type of hate from some fans and CZcamsrs.
I knew this episode would be one that had a lot of both positive and negative opinions. But for me, Ncuti blew me out of the water when he "lost his sh**" To be his first scenes filmed, he stood in that Doctor role, and BECAME the Doctor. The rage, along side the compassion....Waring in his eyes was EXTRAORDINARY 💯💯💯
you mean "lost his s*it"
I'm an old white guy and I noticed quite a few suspect lines from Lindy during the first watch but wasn't sure if she was actually being full-on racist or just a clueless entitled rich-kid brat. But then at the end when the long-haired dude started going full colonizer it was "Ah. Yeah they really are just white supremacists" - and then Lindy has the "screen-to-screen contact" line. So it was all there, subtly built up throughout the episode and the end reveal didn't shock me at all. The Dot AI had a point, and the slugs were literally eating the rich lol. Very clever episode tackling social media addiction/echo chambers, the 1% AND racism all at once
I’m Mexican and this is my favorite episode so far this season. I hated the main character but that was the main point of it, we were supposed to dislike her but the actress was wonderful, that’s why it was so easy for us to hate her.
I’m a Black Whovian! My Dad introduced me to Doctor Who. I know quite a few BIPOC Whovians
I'm a cool classic Whovian who identifies as Black and Latino. I liked Dot and Bubble but was annoyed over the conclusion. So... you'd rather die than be saved by the Black man with The Tardis? Like didn't we see this same scenario play out in the Night of The Doctor with Paul McGann. Rather die than be saved by Time Lord.
It was 100% about racism, RTD himself said as much in Unleashed (the BTS show), and it becomes infinitely clear on a 2nd rewatch that the hints towards it were there all along. I understand why the episode made you mad, but in a way, it was kinda trying to. You weren't supposed to like Lindy, or any of these people really. But the social commentary and statement that it made, was fantastic imo and very well handled. I might not be black but I am middle-eastern and I did notice the lack of POC and the various micro-agressions while watching; and the ending still shocked me, since I didn't expect them to go there so explicitly. Ncuti's acting in that scene was absolutely brilliant, and made the entire Doctor-lite episode worth it imo. I seriously loved it.
Oh and, happy Pride month! Thank you for another great reaction ❤
As I saw someone else say, the reason the doctor is upset is because Humanity rejected him in the worst way possible, He always saves humanity, his favorite species. But he just experienced them at their worst in a very personal way for the first time
The Doctor did. I think he was not as upset for himself, but could not believe that they would rather die, than go with him, presenting as a person of color. Very Impactful.
But this wasn't humanity, the creatures in this episode were clearly not human, they didn't look human and didn't act human. Perhaps they evolved from humans, which is why one of them was playing a song from earth? But these were monsters in every respect, not humans.
@@Scripture-Man Sadly they are very much like humans.
I think they are more like the kaleds from old who
They had blue blood didn't they? So not human, but human like
Great reaction. I watched it last night and then again this morning and saw all the micro aggressions I missed. I was shocked at how much I missed because I don’t experience it.
That ending is a gut punch. Oh Andres, I can only imagine how it feels to watch if you have experienced the real-world equivalent. Thank you for sharing that reaction with us, your honesty and vulnerability in doing so is noted and appreciated. I think it's pretty clear that this episode was intended to be exactly the gut punch it was, but it makes sense that it hits harder or different to those who have experienced such things. We're supposed to feel as upset as The Doctor and Ruby are. The final shot of him just closing the door of the Tardis in disappointment gave me chills.
It's an interesting new dimension for The Doctor to experience, the frustration of that rejection when he's offering them the same salvation that he has so many others in the past. There is so much rich storytelling potential that comes from changing The Doctor from always being a cis-het presenting white man. We saw similar moments with Jodi, where The Doctor realized that they had been living with a lot of privilege with their previous faces. It adds new dimensions to a character that has been around the block like few others. Interestingly, the last scene in this was the first that Ncuti ended up shooting for the entire season. Talk about opening with big stakes.
I have encountered Whovians OC both in life and on You Tube, so they're out there to at least some extent. There is at least one Black reactor that I've come across who saw that Ncuti had been cast and started his Who journey with The Church on Ruby Road. It's been neat to see someone experience this jumping on point. His channel is called UgoWatch. Syntell is another that is reacting to both the new season and the 2005 revival at the same time. You might want to check their channels to see what they think of this one.
yeah, from the get-go when the Doctor pops in on Lindy's screen there is a WARNING sign and when Ruby came in that didn't show. I kept clocking in some instances but hardly thought it was R-cism so the end hit me so hard when my suspicions proved true. I loved how they made it perfectly clear how awful Lindy was and right until the end she thought herself BETTER than the Doctor who tried to save her. Wow, that was just amazingly well-written.
I've never watched Dr who,but this episode has made me want to desperately. Thank you for your coverage
At first glance I also thought it would be about how we are consumed with our devices and social media, and then further into the show the racism was there the performance was fantastic, as a black woman this hits home, I watch doctor who it's one of my favorite shows. Happy pride great reaction to this epsiode❤
Yep, As others said from the start she was talking to the doctor like dirt, when she made a big thing about them being in the same room my alarm bell triggered. RTD basically wrote a Nazi Barbie, This was the 1st day of filming the new series and he delivered a performance like this AMAZING, Even after they degraded and humiliated him he still wanted to help
the reaction from Ruby when she saw what was unfolding. This was being billed as the fizzy OMG light episode its up there as one of the darkest, I think Ricky was the only decent one because talking to the Doctor he was fine. You know that lot will be dead in the outside world within hours. The Dots saw what utter trash they were having to listen to that inane chatter non stop there's no wonder they decided on the method used. I half expected the mother slug to emerge from the water and swallow one gulp. Crazy thought time. Susan Twist is playing the memory TARDIS in human form she's following them and both will find out exactly their true origins
Great reaction ! Brilliant episode which once again demonstrated that Doctor Who is not afraid to tackle very difficult subjects like this & in such a unique style too. 9/10 my rating
Love you, Andres. Thanks for taking time to talk about the racism from the characters in this episode. I felt for the Doctor when he realized they didn’t want his help and why.
Bi painfully white late 30's Brit bloke here, this is my favourite Dr Who episode in years.
Why?
Because I didn't pick up on what was going on at all, I'd just flagged her as an overinsulated biggot who'd get the chance to redeem herself at the end. I didn't expect to like the ending when she got redeemed.
Then she killed Ricky and covered it up, and I realised she was even worse than I had thought and began finding a new appreciation of our Lord and Saviour - the Lamppost.
Then they revealed their true nature, an insulated little racist culture who can't even bare the thought of being saved by a black person. And I realised all those little signs all the way through were there from the start, she was always the monster and I missed it.
It reminded me a fair bit of the end of Cabaret, I won't spoil in case you ever watch it, and it did the same thing for me: threw my own privalidge into sharp relief.
So yeh, I actually rate this one as important. The actress playing the main character did a fantastic job making that evil being believable and just subtle enough not to ping my evidently dull senses.
Also I now stan racist eating slugs and would like to see them appear here please!
On Doctor Who Unleashed, they confirmed that the episode is about racism. Also something else I noticed that not many people have mentioned was the self-appointed "leader" at the end talking about the new planet. He said "we'll find it, tame it, and own it. We'll be pioneers, just like our ancestors". He was obviously talking about colonisation. Lindy also said to the doctor "you were kind. I mean, you saved me, but that was your duty, obviously". Then one of them mentioned getting away from the Doctor before he contaminates them. There were so many microaggressions sprinkled throughout the episode, many of which don't become obvious until a second watch, like Lindy realising the Doctor is the same person she blocked earlier and saying "I thought you just looked the same", and her saying she'll have him "disciplined" when this is all over.
Ooh I didn't spot that about the guy at the end. Thanks!
I just wanna say I've been watching since you were on Clara and 12/Capaldi's first season, and I love your reactions! The energy and passion you have for it, and just the whole vibe is great! Love the channel, keep going
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Thank you! That means alot!
dang. I miss Capaldi.
@@AndresElReyofcourse!❤
@takebackconstantinople82 we all do, I think 😔
Watching it a second time is easier because you just root for the slugs. 🐌🥰
Awesome reaction of my favorite Doctor Who episode!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
Also obviously not anything new to add, but I hope you know how loved you are by your us all for being your authentic self. Love to you, Andres ❤️
excellent reaction, thanks for sharing
Great reaction to a fantastic episode. This has been my favourite so far this season.
love ur energy sm
LOVE LOVE LOVE your Who reactions girl!
Upon rewatching in this reaction, I picked up on her microaggressions toward the Doctor, the little snide remarks, and how she ONLY took Ruby seriously. But after she sold Ricky out to Dot in the end, I immediately looked at her in an entirely different way. Wow. Bravo to the actress because she went from being sort of sympathetic to being sinister and I thought it was refreshing. Most of the main people the Doctor ends up rescuing/interacting with in this situations are pretty decent people for the most part, but here we have a character who he bent over backward saving the life of and they suck, they're terrible. And hey, I get why she put self-preservation above the life of Ricky, from a tactical perspective it was a solid move, messed up by it bought her enough time to escape. And Ncutti, damn, once again chewing up that scenery yet again, especially at the end, I felt his frustration
Who were the villains/heroes, if any? Was the AI out for revenge creating slugs to eat them? Or did someone else take revenge by programming the AI? We will never know.
Totally understand your reaction. You are amazing. Xx
Masterful reveal, so subtle many didn't pick up on the racism til they went back and noticed no one of color in the bubble and only Ruby was really taken seriously as a white girl.
I mean she still had to struggle to get Lindy to listen to her.
@@dogblessamerica Because she wasn't on her friend list, with the Doctor she was openly hostile, it's clearly about his skin color.
Rosa was Jodie Whittaker's Doctor.
@@radic888 They were talking about the episode titled "Rosa" which was about Rosa Parks.
@@notallwhowanderarelost4797 Oh, okay, I misheard.
This is for sure one of my favorites this season and rates in tops of my favorites. I have never hated a character so much and f*ck her, let them go off die. It was a episode about race for sure and it did it in a way that gave me fresh piss-offednis that I haven't felt before. Great.
Thank you for sharing.
This doctor needs to call Martha and apologize when Ten took her to 15th century and dismissed her concerns about slavery, thats all i gotta say
He didn't dismiss it, he just pointed out that she wasn't the only black person there living a life, she wasn't going to be carted off as a slave, which is true. Lots of non white people lived and worked in the UK. Slaves were not in the UK.
You could do a poll on your community page and have people select their ethnicity or whatever. (I'm white female, by the way. Way old.)
I liked the episode, hated Lindy, noticed everyone was white but didn't know where it was going, specifically. I hated when he begged to save them and it felt a little like some tropes that are not great there. I would like to know what people think, particularly people of color. Ricky wasn't as great as people say either. It's maybe the first time the Doctor has experienced being the object of racism/prejudice from humanoid-type beings. He kind of blew off Martha's concerns about it when she was his companion. A lot going on in the episode and the larger context of the show. I do think they need some POC writers and consultants. (I have no idea whether RTD had anyone go through his script in this context.)
You really should NOT notice that everyone was white. Unless the producers are racist, you should expect almost everyone in a British TV show to be white, because British people are almost entirely white. Only 1 in 50 is black.
Happy pride!
As soon as I saw the array of faces in the bubble in the beginning, I asked why they were all white people - it looked weird to me (and I'm a white woman, currently living in a place where most of the people are white). Most of the the reactors I've watched so far didn't seem to notice that until the end, some not even then.
This series faced some curses in production Chiefly that Nctui was finishing of Sex education and they just had to get on with filming or we would have have to wait even longer.
This was basically a Black Mirror episode with an Inside no 9 level twist. And i say that as a good thing. The episode left me shaken and i don't shake easy.
It's a really hard line to consider. On the one hand when you look at the world, audiences and in this case especially white audiences need to get their shit called out because we do get complacent, especially here in the UK. On the other hand if you have to deal with racism in your every day life it's going to be exhausting to have it in your fiction too, especially if the setup of the story doesn't build in a warning unless you're picking up the clues.
I am glad that the episode that directly centers the question of the Doctor as a black time traveler takes place in a future that's recognisable to us rather than the past, so it can't be taken as a "Wasn't the past stupid for racism? Good thing it's over." story.
This episode was intense. I think they did a really good job. Ncuti’s performance at the end was amazing and heartbreaking. I will give props to the actress who played Lindy. She did a great job making me absolutely hate this character.
Is it weird that I find Gothic Paul's death funny?
He was denying its existence and then it killed him.
I liked this one, it was a gut punch at the end but i enjoyed the trally biting satire. And also the unconscious bias or micro agfressions seeded throughout are subtle, but sudeenly make sense. It is meant to he an attack on people who live in their own tiny world and have no curiosity about the world, believing whatever is fed to them. You areng meant to yo like lindy. She was beyond saving. We assume they all died very soon.
The thumb nail of another Doctor Who reactor had a snap of one of those slug creatures with a large arrow pointing to it and saying "Good Guys". I think that we can all agree with that.
I think for this episode I have to say I think it was a great concept and a greatly executed and acted piece of cinema.
Genuinely all around, I think it was good.
As adult media.
The issue is this episode tackled topics head on that were explored in a way adults can understand but children would probably struggle with. And it’s the core of the episode, it’s not like as a child you can follow along the obvious plot and the message is in the subtext for the adults to understand on another level.
So my opinion I suppose is that this was a good episode of TV but perhaps not appropriately presented for children.
I think it's both. There's lots for children to enjoy, they'd just see Lindy as horrible at the end. They don't need to understand all the subtleties to enjoy the adventure plot. It can be enjoyed on different levels.
@@Rik77 See, I’m not sure.
It tackled A LOT of heavy themes that I’m not sure many children would have been exposed to yet. I know my parents didn’t even give me a phone until I was 13, so if I were a child watching this episode the social media elements wouldn’t be obvious.
It struck me as closer to an episode of Years and Years or Black Mirror than an episode of Doctor Who. Which by no means makes it bad, just… Idk, not child accessible.
This is my favorite episode of the season so far! It started off like standard-fare Doctor Who with a Black Mirror-esque commentary on social media addiction. It could have been just about that and it would be an "ok" episode. However, the social media aspect is a bit of a red herring. The episode is ACTUALLY about racism and the echo chambers and bubbles we lock ourselves into. RTD was asked about how will it be to go back in time with a black Doctor, but his commentary on this is that racism still exists now, and will still exist in the future. We think of racism as overt 1950s-era racism... but it's actually much more sinister and hidden. There were micro-aggressions from Lindy throughout the episode, from the very beginning. On rewatch, you'll notice them. They are, pun intended here, peppered throughout the episode. Lindy is a racist, and so is everyone else in Finetime (except Ricky, the only one who turns off his bubble and expands his mind by reading). Every single person, except the Doctor is white. The surviving members of Finetime would rather risk the great outdoors (where they will likely die) than go with the Doctor, simply because he's not white. It's meant to make you angry.
This was masterfully done. The fact that a lot of people didn't pick up on the racism was intended... it's something you catch later and on rewatch... and then you notice all the breadcrumbs. THIS is real racism.
So true see all the time here in BK.. 20:37 Right?
This series was shot following Covid, I think the scripts were Covid proofed in the writing stage, incase of further lockdowns.
(Small casts, open spaces, etc )
Certain industry’s continued Covid measures for a while after the last lockdowns too
Also I think Ncuti’s film schedule for other projects delayed during Covid affecting the DW production so it was working around a lot TBF, worth it to have Ncuti as the Doctor in my opinion , he’s smashing it!!
Oh, yeah, the racism is definitely there, my friend.
I couldn’t even watch the whole episode. The main character pissed me off too many times. I was angry and upset from how she acted from the get go.
This episode is full of microaggressions for Lindy's character, she's already clearly privileged but it was something I noticed once I realised just how _white_ the citizens of Finetime are. The real turning point is when she gets Ricky killed despite him fighting for her life, and her being so racist to Ncuti. All of them being so unaccepting that they wouldn't even accept being saved by The Doctor purely for him not being white and not for any logical reason
i am pacific islander and I love Doctor Who been watching since the 80s. He's always been a white man, I dont care. He's never been gay before, I dont care. But Rosa I do care because that episode seemed so blatantly about racism and that bothered me
The tragic thing about this episode (for the Doctor, I couldn't care less about the racists) is that if this had happened to a white regeneration of the Doctor, it's possible their racism would never have come up. Poor Doctor is just too compassionate. :/
Yep, it was about race. Lindy was very condescending to Rubes so there's some classism there, too, but Ruby was at least given the time to speak while The Doctor was blocked right away. And the way Lindy couldn't even LOOK at him when she was "thanking" them? Gross.
Re: pulling stats like that. What a strange thing! How does that even work? Are they excluding LGBT and neurodivergents to get their "Normalised" poll stats? Because I am assuming right now that we are the outliers from their beautiful stats graphs.
There is WAY too much to unpack with this idea.
Unfortunately I've suffered too much psych damage from the cis-het normativity universe to make any kind of rational analysis on it. At all. I can't think of anything I can add to this statement that won't make me sound unhinged.
I understand your anger at this episode. It was a call out on nasty behaviours and attitudes, and as a target of those behaviours irl, I can see how that grates.
The actress did a great job of making me hate her character. It was all done to quietly drive home a point. Trying to put the audience into your shoes, turn the light on about the issue, that sort of thing.
Bonjour Andres, je n'ai pas aimé le personnage de Lindy Pepper Bean, elle m'a tapé sur mon système nerveux dès le début de l'épisode. A la fin de l'épisode, quand elle a été responsable de la mort de Ricky september et qu'elle a discriminé le Docteur seulement parce qu'il était noir, j'avais envie de la voir se faire dévorer la tête par les grosses limaces. L'épisode est un très bon épisode et le sujet des médias sociaux est intéressant à aborder dans la série mais j'aurais préféré voir un peu plus le personnage du Docteur car c'est son deuxième épisode où il est un peu mis à l'écart dans cette saison ce que je trouve un peu dommage. Et la fin de l'épisode, cela m'a également mis très en colère et je n'arrive pas à avoir de l'empathie pour le personnage de Lindy, juste impossible. Elle m'a saoulé. Je m'appelle Botteman Mathias, j'habite en Belgique et je regarde tes réactions des séries. J'aurais bien aimé te faire un gros câlin. PS : je suis gay. 😉❤
I dunno the ending to this one felt very unsatisfying. I don't mind a twist at the end, but in this I didn't care about the plight of the obnoxious characters, and I didn't "feel" the Doctor's rage and frustration at not being able to save them because of that. Also why did the dots go to the effort of generating the slugs?
Because the AI is brutal? Or someone else was taking revenge?
Your reaction was far more interesting than the actual episode.
That's definitely a Finetime comment.
@@radic888 Please don't insult me. I'm 100% behind Andres and his feelings about the racism. I just didn't like this episode.
Hated this one didn't feel like doctor who it felt like a kids tv show, the only thing that got me was seeing the doctor cry at the end