Doctor Who 14x5 Reaction! - "Dot and Bubble"
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I love how you were in disbelief that a futuristic city could be racist. That's the whole point. Racism doesn't die, it just evolves and becomes more covert and insidious. Just like it was here all episode and most people didn't pick up on it until the end (myself included, but I was in denial lmao).
Love that the first time we have racism with this Doctor it's *not* the past and it's not in your face. Rewatching this episode knowing to look for it, it's blatant, but the first time through I didn't really notice until the end because there were other things grabbing my immediate attention. Saying this more to back up your point than to add a new observation, because I completely agree.
Ngl, first expected the racism to come in Devil's Chord (1960s England) or maybe Rogue (1800s England)
But having racism in a futuristic city was a genius jab at today's society: the racism is still here in our world today, 50/50 of the population I'd say.
And that's just sad.
Remember we had the time traveler from Rosa.
When he was cast, I and others were like "they are going to have to address how racist the past has been" and Russel was like "the past? That's cute."
Brilliant choice. Not to disregard as how it was.
As someone said on another Dr who comments “ You can lead a racist to water but you can’t make them think! ‘
This is an experience for the Doctor, who had previously told Martha Jones to just walk around like she owned the place ("Works for me"). I wish he could go and talk to her about it now. Edit: You do discuss this.
This is why I really hope 15 meets Martha but with Freema’s busy schedule I doubt it
@@quietdemon8138 Yes, I hope they can work this out at some point. I know she's on stage in "Romeo and Juliet" nowish.
This was how Martha, Bill, Yaz, and Ryan felt.
(Shakespeare Code, Human Nature, Thin Ice, Empress of Mars, Rosa)
@@MatthewCYN15 Yes, so the Doctor has something to think about now.
RTD is not a writer I usually associate with subtlety, but this is such a subtle and clever episode. I suspect if I was a person of colour I would have spotted those red flags so quickly, but as a white guy I was wearing privilege blinkers and instead focused on the social media satire and read the story more as a critique of class. It's such a clever, quietly confronting story - I think it's going to be one of those episodes that will be praised for decades to come. And at the end of the episode, when all the survivors float away downriver? Never have I wished mass death on a group of characters so sincerely!
I'm really glad we don't see what happens when the group sails off at the end. It would have been so easy to throw in a scene where we see them fall off a waterfall (like you mentioned) or get immediately swarmed by slugs/dots, or some other scene of satisfying karma. But it would so oversimplify the story that it would take all the impact out of that ending.
I'd love if they came back in the future having grown into an even more horrible group of people. Them as a group of wealthy, oblivious entitled racists could turn into fantastic on and off again long term villains, if done correctly.
Agreed. I think we're meant to leave the episode feeling scared and angry at the injustice, because it's an active injustice in our reality that we should want to do something about.
Apparently at the end of the episode with Ncuti reacting with the racist was his very first scene he filmed as the doctor
She is just non-stop awful to the Doctor. She blocks him immediately then only listens when Ruby talks. When he pops back up she couldn't even tell he was the same black guy because they all look the same to her. She asks if he is responsible for the monsters. She is appalled that the Doctor and Ruby are in the same room. She introduces him to the group chat by saying he isn't as "stupid as he looks" and is happy, she "can't wait", for him to get "disciplined" for talking to them all. Just all-around awful. Wild to me how people aren't picking up on that until the end lol. It was *entirely* his skin colour they had an issue with.
I feel as though people who dont experience that type of discrimination wont notice the signs until the end, and then a rewatch. I certainly didn't get it until the end, because I haven't faced those struggles in my own life, but on a rewatch it becomes painfully obvious with hindsight.
She says “you’re kind but it was your duty to save me.” So, entitled. So, typical. Minorities are awful until you need them and then you have no gratitude.
Racism 101. My white entitlement didn’t spot it until the end. Rewatching it was there straight from the moment the Doctor appeared. Once Ruby did although she was rude she did what Ruby asked. As soon as she realised Ruby and the doctor were together she called it a conspiracy. Plus early thinking she’d blocked the doctor.
I didn't get the full picture of this until the end because she also was a bit rude to Ruby, but afterwards I realized that the way she treated them both was different. She was a bit rude to Ruby, yes, because she saw Ruby as a worker (and therefore beneath her in the social scale), but she was simply awful to the Doctor, because she simply saw the doctor as a disease that you can "catch" if you stay too close to. She only listened to the doctor as long as Ruby was nearby and as long as she had no one else to rely on to save herself, as soon as she found other people she put as much distance from him as she could.
@@sorenfarleyhowever some people may not notice the hints due to simply being unable to even comprehend that race would be a factor in this
Russel T is great at misdirection. We were focusing on the Bubble, but it was the Dot that was the killer. We focused on Pepperbean's rudeness and thought is was due to Social Media, but it was driven by White Privilege. The first time she saw The Doctor she immediately blocked him. We thought it was because he screened her without sending a friend request but it was because he was a black man, an outsider to her perfect society. She couldnt even tell it was the same man the second time because "you all look the same" . Powerful stuff here
Yes. Lindy straight up sucks! They sprinkled the racism all through it. I felt dumb for missing it until the end. These are Arians. Someone else said the Bubble was like a gated community.
Loool, slug sex hahahha.
There were soooo many overt and subtle signs of racism and prejudice scattered throughout the episode:
1. Lindy was revolted and blocked the Doctor when he first appeared on her feed.
2. Lindy didnt block Ruby. She was more receptive to Ruby when she appeared on her feed. Lindy spoke to Ruby and believed her over the Doctor.
3. When the Doctor appeared for the second time on her feed, Lindy asked him if the monsters "have something to do with you" (she didnt ask Ruby this, just the Doctor)
4. Lindy told her groupcall to listen to the Doctor and that "i know this is wrong and after this is all over he will be so disciplined, i cant wait, and he doesn't look as stupid as he looks" (of course due to the color of his skin)
5. No person of color lived in Finetime
6. Lindy was shocked to learn that Ruby and the Doctor were in the same room together in such close proximity
7. Lindy told the Doctor "Didnt I block you? I knew it. I just thought you looked the same, but you're the same person I blocked. I was so right to hate you." (Implying all black people look the same)
8. When they met, Lindy told Ruby and the Doctor "Gosh, you two, this is strange." (meaning a white and black person working together)
9. And a few more microagressions towards the Doctor before they met in the final scene AND in the final scene where the racism got blatant.
Starts as Invasion Of The Body Snatchers, turns in to Phantasm, ends as Get Out.
What people forget about 73 yards is because the localers were joking with her doesn't mean everything wasn't true. So they did explain the fairy circle. You have to go into it with what happened to the universe
Yeah I'm surprised how many people seem to miss this, I live in Wales and there is loads of pretty awsome folklore in this country.
Yeah I think we’ll get more answers because I believe it’s not just the Fairy circle, it’s also the TARDIS and Ruby not being completely human?
I think some of the deliberately heavy handed metacommentary around the 'bubble' disguised the more subtle messaging. One important one is how easy it is to watch a show and completely not notice that there are no non-white characters (here it's deliberate for story reasons, but how many shows do we watch and not see the diverse world we live in?), although I'm sure people who experience racism will notice it more than those who don't; the other is that even with a character designed to be unlikeable (props to the actor, she gave an amazing performance) it's still difficult to actually call them out, the first place we go is 'benefit of the doubt'.
I'm assuming this is not set on Earth so maybe it's just a planet where there are no black people and everybody's skin colour is white.
Not for any prejudice reason but just because the climate means everybody is pale skinned
How do we know we've never been to this planet.
One extra meta commentaries that this episode makes when you pay attention is the importance of inclusion of more diverse people in media in generation. Like, we still see white people as the "default" hence why most of us watching didn't even pay attention until that reveal that there wer no non-white people on this episode, but that ended up being an important part of the message, that if there is no inclusion in front of the camera there is something wrong behind it.
Wow. So well put
My biggest worry about this season was - the not entirely subtle - RTD and not Ncuti...
...SO not: he aced his role in "Sex Education" and he is acing it here. He is SO The Doctor...
...I might have cringed at "Space Babies" but we've also survived the Slitheen episodes. As an elder Who Fan (1974+), I am REALLY enjoying this season. ;)
God I hated Space Babies, i am happy the quality curve of this season goes up (and up...)
Along with all the very well formulated points fellow commentor SNMG said, another small thing that might be easy to miss if it's not something you're particularly knowledgeable on is the judgemental toned 'That's voodoo' line. That's racial too. Voodoo is the term for a West African religion, as well as the term used for a variety of African diaspora religions.
Edit: My second time making a comment on one of your doctor who videos before finishing the video and you address the exact thing I commented! My apologies! I'll leave the comment up for the algorithm and stuff, I just hope this isn't getting too annoying
Its not just that everyone in finetime was white, its that there are microaggressions laden throughout the episode -- from lindy immediately blocking the doctor when he first appears (but not Ruby), to her casually suggesting she thought the doctor was another black guy, to her disgust when she realised Ruby and Doctor were actually in the same room etc etc. As a POC, I picked this up relatively quickly but wasnt expecting the show to make subtext into text, so I was stil surprised when they made the point explicitly at the end. I've been watching other reactions to this episode, and am somewhat amused how white reactors take the longest to realize whats going on and a lot of them spend time either trying to find another explanation other than racism (eg. classcism, ageism), or outright failing to pick up on it. I guess its understandable, its not a comfortable thing to confront if you have the luxury of not having these things happen all the time in your lives like it is for us POCs.
If I had to guess, people probably jump to classism or ageism based on that being more explicitly text rather than subtext about halfway through the episode. But yea, no, definitely.
I'm planning on watching more reactors' reactions to the episode, only seen two so far, so that'll be fun.
This is exactly where the next generation is heading . So many little nuances in this . Lindy goes from helpless airhead to a selfish survivor throwing her rescuer under the bus . The openly racist reaction and lack of gratitude at the end makes these kids irredeemable . Terrific acting by the entire cast and Ncuti is incredible at the end .
It's not just the younger generation. The older generation set up the racist "Eutopia" for their kids.
Good episode. I think the doctor was so angry at the end as it's the first time he's actually personally faced rasicm as a person of colour. Lindy was awful! Such a good actress
I don’t think the Doctor was upset about the racism he received. He just couldn’t understand and was heartbroken that the racists wouldn’t let him save them. He said, “I don’t care - just let me save you.” Because he is a good man and still tries to save even horrible people.
@@camhusmj38yes. The Doctor did not care for himself, but he could not fathom hating people who are of color so much, they would rather die, than go with him.
Maybe on this planet because of the way it's evolved there aren't any black people?
It's a scream of disbelief, frustration, and anger.
Disbelief that people can be and think like this,
Frustrated why they won't listen to him,
And anger, because.
@@MatthewCYN15 if he was 17 yes but he is thousands of years old. He has faced much much worse than this and reacted far less than this. He is a super being with a super brain. Getting wound up because a bunch of morons don't want to go with him was pretty pathetic.
i noticed some people saying that Lindy blocks the Doctor immediately but talks to Ruby,this is because the dot highlighted the doctor in red as a unsoliceted request, warning the user to block request,Ruby was not highlighted in this way so Lindy talked to her.
“It’s the future” you say, as we still deal with it today even though we’re meant to be the future, at least relative to 50 years ago 😢
Definitely one of the most important scenes in the show’s history at the end but what’s even crazier about it is that was Ncuti’s first scene that he filmed for the season (obviously the bi generation and the rest of his scenes in The Giggle doesn’t count as that was part of the 60th anniversary production)
Ncuti is incredible in this episode
You only see him in person in the final scene, and he completely steals the show.
I found out this was his first episode filmed for Doctor Who.
He did a couple of dramatic lines and people think he's just done Hamlet lolol
@@CyberSlammer2024 I am sure you could do better.
@@marshsundeen I could and I have done and there are thousands of brilliant writers out there in the United Kingdom who could do better than this.
Notice the look that the Doctor gives to the sign on the outside of the TARDIS just before he steps inside? It used to be a white sign with black lettering, now it's black with white. I do wonder if that was a deliberate bit of symbolism (although it's unusual for RTD to let something subtle go unannounced boldly afterward)
Definitely team dot/slug!
Loved what you said @38:00 & @42:25
Because 1) racists who are unable to grow past what they were taught can go hug a slug
And, 2) the well of disbelief from the Doctor destroyed me, especially knowing that Ncuti Gatwa had to get security for his family when racists got so vitriolic at his casting.
Loved, loved, loved this episode! 💜💜➕🌈🟦
Well... the dots were right. And don't worry.. they will all die.They can hardly walk. They will be dead in 3 days max.
The entire episode is about people not noticing what goes on around their close proximity because they're staying in their own bubble.
Remind us. When did most people notice the racism? It was only in the end when it was undeniably straight in the face.
If you go back through the episode Lindy makes several comments that in retrospect were clues to their society's racism, including thinking the second time he appears on her screen that she thought he was another black man who just looked like him.
22:03 yes they are racists
As a mixed person from England I picked up on the micro aggressions and the elletism
It's like an English "Valley Girl" accent. I think she looks a bit like Catherine Tate. A bit of an amped-up version of her personality in her bookend episodes before the specials. (I'm not knocking Donna, but how she was a bit superficial -- not racist like this or a murderer.) This character is also like the anti-Sally Sparrow, someone who gets dragged into this weirdness but doesn't rise to the occasion at all. At least we know they are heading towards their deaths. I actually am a bit surprised they allow gingers in. Good actress, though.
Lindbitch is the unreliable protagonist, unlike good ol Sally.
Loved the episode and your reaction/commentary afterwards, thanks!
This was kind of reminiscent of blink only in the future.
Agreed! An episode where the Doctor and his companion only appear for short scenes as they try to help a distant victim.
It’s fascinating to think about how, in terms of what the Doctor can remember at least and the ones that we’ve personally followed along with, this might be the first time he’s had to experience direct racism like that in the same way any other Black person might. We got a similar thing when 13 was hindered in her efforts by sexism in the witch trials episode, but 15’s face said it all. This may be the first time that him being Black has resulted in such a racist reaction that he literally can’t save their lives, and that probably hits incredibly hard because he can’t change their ignorance in time to stop them, and it’s not even his fault. It was so emotional.
There’s a point where she says “I blocked you” and then when he came back she thought he was someone else and says you look alike! 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
The episode plays with our heads, because structurally she is the heroine or protagonist, and so it takes us a while to realize how truly awful she is.
Agreed. It takes a while for the audience to realize this is not a person we want to root for.
For most of the episode, I was of the mind that she didn't know any better.
While I still think that's true, that ignorance is so insidious and hateful that I no longer cared by the end.
I didn't want to educate her, I wanted her GONE.
Do you remember the 12th Doctor's story "Thin Ice". He punched a racist in the face when he disrespected Bill.
Thank you, Derek! ⏳ I love this one... so profound, yet sad. I hope tech-dependent, socially-inept, wannabe-elitist youths will take the message to heart.
All the people in the Lindy bubble are real people,seen on doctor who unleashed.
Knowing what you know at the end, go back and rewatch and you see all the parts where she is particularly rude to him.
With this new season, I'm seeing the rise of people wanting to have everything explained them?
I thought she was dismissive of the Doctor because he was “old” and not part of the elite. She was literally in a bubble with 17-27 year olds who were all rich. I never thought about him being black until seeing reactions and reading the comments. Now I see all the little hints that were there.
I quite liked this episode! I was quite worried seeing the preview and the start of the episode, worried it would have a boomerish message (meaningless) or a boomerish message (actively bad).
But no, it was amazingly written! And the acting very much supports the writing
Well done sir, great words ❤
It’s crazy how well executed this episode is, bc it’s like real life, me personally as a black person and even just non racist people can relate. It’s like you’re hearing/seeing the subliminal racism but not wanting to “go there” so you move on and then when it’s confirmed, it’s like Sixth Sense/Usual Suspects replaying it and seeing all the signs. Ncuti nails it
Some people thought it was a classist thing at first, and I admit I was one of those people. Mostly because I was like "No, that can't be it. Can it? That's silly."
And then when it hit I was like "You have GOT to be shitting me!" I was as stunned as The Doctor.
@@seamusburke639 It's the Voodoo commented that cemented it to me, since it's a very stereotypical thing towards black people, made me re-evaluate the whole episode.
@@chazo1367 Yea, the voodoo comment was what really confirmed it for certain for me too
@@seamusburke639I was the same! I thought she was just being a rich brat who thought anyone she didn’t already know was beneath her. But then the more you watch again with the extra context, the more you notice her actually saying racist stuff that we didn’t detect before
The final scene was ncuti first scene of the season
A lot of the racism was masked with ignorant and entitled behavior... You kinda just feel like she is mean toward him throughout the episode because he is from outside her bubble but obviously it turned out to be deeper than that.
How dare you have an opinion on the internet!
Keep watching, we'll keep watching you. :)
I think this episode made me angrier than any other episode of Who ever has. First just how dependent on their little bubble everyone is, then Lindy’s selfish & careless betrayal of Ricky, and then to realize she & the whole society are just classist & racist POS’s. Ugh
My heart breaks looking at Ncuti’s face at the end, showing that Fifteen is realizing that there are people who would reject him simply because he is Black now, something he’s not had to deal with before.
Everyone’s gonna be different, but I’ll say as a Brown woman, I was so focused on the society’s dependency on technology & social media, and their classicism, that the racism totally took me by surprise. And I’m sadly still used to watching things that have mainly White casts, so I didnt bat an eyelid at that either. The microagressions are so apparent once you look back
Also & on a less serious note, I still need an answer to how they don’t urinate normally & apparently can’t feel the sensation to urinate 😆
The music when they sail off and the doctor enters the Tardis reminds me about the music when the doctor and Ruby entered the airship full of goblins during The church of Ruby road episode. Perhaps these rich youth racists will transform to the true goblins they are?
It’s a variation of ‘Fifteen’, this Doctor’s theme.
Like with the Rosa Park ep, I find it hard to believe intra-human racism exists in the far future.
Not necessarily ppl because got better (tho Star Trek is always a potential option) but cos humans when faced with species even more different than them will turn on them and all the human differences would be forgotten as they're humans unlike those scary Sapiant trees or the rhino ppl!!
In a cynical future, ppl would find new ways to be awful
I feel like it depends how interconnected other species are? Finetime was entirely human, and we only saw glimpses of their homeworld, but we didn't see any sapient nonhumans there.
I feel if humans are in a situation where they're actively interacting with other alien species, what you're saying might happen.
But for the groups that stay pretty isolationist away from other sapient species, I can absolutely see inter-human discrimination still being very prevalent.
@@alex6027 I can see that. I just default to assuming if space travel exists then it is common and ppl travel but thinking about it Doctor Who does tend to often default to “Humans plonked themselves on this in a solar system and just kinda start again” and not be that interconnected collective of planets
@@sonicsean34 Yea. I think some of the ways Doctor Who sometimes takes it is similar to how, in real life humans managed to get around to almost every continent, but after that there were thousands to tens of thousands of years until there was actual contact between people from specific different continents. And hell, there are still groups, or at least one group, of humans who have practically no connection to all other groups of humans. The North Sentinel Islanders. They couldn't have originated on the island, so they must have come there some time in the past from somewhere else, but now and for as long as there's been records we know of, there's been no properly established communication between the rest of the world and them. So, isolated civilisations is absolutely a realistic thing for Sci Fi.
racists exists now after a lot things happened in the past in 2024 they are increasing so yeah even in the future still are gonna exists
IT exists now, in the current day and age and it's gotten worse since 2005 itself. So yeah I can believe it won't go away.
A mid episode for me but with a BRILLIANT ending....
The fact that there was ANY doubt whether they were racist by the end is why I wish the dialogue in that final scene wasn’t so coy.
People might call it “on the nose,” but I wish Lindy or one of her compatriots had just come out and used the terms “black” or “white.”
There’s only doubt if you don’t actually watch or listen to the episode. Do you really need to be spoon-fed ?
@@nathanthomas5133these people are being ridiculous. She didn't recognise a black man and just thoguths he was a different guy and the woman called his technology voodoo and she wouldn't look at him to talk. Why would she hate him and not Ruby. Media literacy is dead I swear.
There is no doubt if you aren't a moron let's be honest.
It wasn't because he was black ..it was because he wasn't part of their system. He wasn't tied to their social media.
No. It's because he is black. It's been confirmed many times by the cast and crew.
@@SleepyWaffles You have found the bigot.
The topic of Racism? Seriously?
Okay, I’m Russian from Russia, we simply don’t have such a thing as “racism”, we treat everyone the same, so I may be wrong and not know another culture and the topic of racism, maybe it really was here, maybe you’re right .
But I want to talk about another topic, if you are of course interested in what we think about this episode, then here is our point of view:
I think the machine is smart enough that if they realize that it is it, there will be a massive rejection of the technology; it used the tracks to divert suspicion from itself. The series is strange in places and has a very interesting ending.
I think not - They all died! The fact that the children did not listen to their elders (Doctor) is because of their teenage selfishness, I think they really died, if the young man September had been saved with a kind heart, everyone would have listened to the young man and been saved, they would have gone with the Doctor, the young man was not popular just like that, he achieved this through hard work and then, he was smart and kind, spent little time on the INTERNET, read books a lot and respected deep HISTORICAL values, respect history, as well as natural ones, he was hardworking and brave.
But no! The victim betrayed the savior, the young man, and in the end the selfish woman was saved, and this selfish woman took the others to death, convincing
that she knows what she’s doing, although in fact she doesn’t know or understand anything, the school dropout thinks too much of herself.
PS: This series is like a message to teenagers, don’t argue with your elders, you have no idea how many times you can be wrong by advocating for something or jumping to conclusions or arguing with something you don’t understand, you don’t have experience yet , but you are already barging and arguing with smart people as if you have a lot of experience, you could be very wrong in your views and put someone else's life or yours in danger or worse.
Sorry Guy September :( stupidity won.
There is no place on the planet without racism, it may be more hidden or diluted, but it will always exist unfortunately, maybe people just haven't noticed yet
‘No racism in Russia’ - what a joke. The actor who plays the doctor is gay - i suppose you don’t have any homophobia in Russia either (errrr - oh yes you do) 😅😅
Tell me how you treat LGBTQ in Russia.
@@jthomann71 Well, homophobia and racism are a slightly different concept. I feel good, I myself am gay and I approve of what is happening here, I understand why this is happening. I’ll tell you more simply, we are forbidden to propagandize on open platforms, this is correct, but no one bothers us to live our lives, we are not killed, and we are not caught if we do not break the law. this just reminds me of the case with the girls with jeans, instead of the government convincing people that this was the norm, it banned, but it banned for good purposes, to protect, because there were cases of people being aggressive towards such girls, and when after 40 years people started not caring whether they go Whether the girl is wearing jeans or not, the ban was immediately removed, as if it was now safe.
Imagine there are other ways, you can protect someone without allowing this and promote it, and protect it by prohibiting it and just wait for ordinary people to understand the right thoughts on their own. this reminds me of the case with Osgood, she doesn’t say whether she’s a human or a Zygon, but she’ll say it when no one cares anymore.
In general, we didn’t have such laws before, there were no laws on LGBT discrimination, the ban was introduced recently after 20, propaganda is to blame, there was too much of it, it caused dissatisfaction, it had to be banned, so it’s not our government to which we need to say “thank you” “You can’t love by force.
@@user-wx1qz8hf7x So you're free to be gay as long as you don't let anyone know you're gay, don't engage in any activity in public that heterosexuals are free to engage in, basically being gay is fine in the closet. And you're fine with that.