Aluminum VS Stock Radiators Is It Worth it? Differences Between Capacity &“SAE” “MM” Core Sizes
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In this video I explain,
A lot of hype about aluminum radiators and how great they are, yes if you go bigger = more cores= better cooling. But is that true and really worth the extra money. Here we discover some very important variables to consider when purchasing Radiators.
It’s all about Tube width, and the amount of cores
Here, I explain the difference between US performance and import performance Radiators and how they measure to be different.
A 2 Core US performance aluminum radiator
Can out perform a 4 core import performance Radiator. Know your Tube width when purchasing performance radiators..
#deepfakeebayparts #choosingradiators #radiatorinformation
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Personal experience tells me the stock plastic radiator breaks easier. My company truck has just over 104,000 and this is the second one to break at the drain. So in my humble opinion, go with whatever option isn't plastic.
Thanks for sharing, I totally agree there can be some really poor quality radiators sold on the market today , and it doesn’t matter plastic or aluminum, they all fail! I’ve learned my lesson to not buy deep fake radiators on eBay and I only trust a few select brands for replacement. it’s unbelievable, the last time we got an radiator from eBay the transmission fluid side leaked into the cooling system, luckily it wasn’t the other way and we caught the issue before the customer got there car back, we no longer replace customer requested radiators at this shop! And we only refer select radiators! But I will mention again both types in my opinion can be really good of quality! There are other variables that i mentioned in the video that reflect performance and quality as well! Thanks for watching
I agree mine broke on my semi that was a $1700 repair job. Went with the all aluminum seeing that stocks all break in the same area. My personal opinion I feel like car and truck manufacturers don't always put the best parts and factor cost more. As always what ever works for me doesn't mean it works for you. Thanks for the video
Overtime, OEM started to use plastic for the overall life expectancy of the engine. OEMs realized allowing a radiator to fail/crack was better than using one that didn't, but failed at performing its duty.
@@marcusharris113 In this case the plastic lasts way longer than the aluminum. Here’s the article www.dewitts.com/blogs/news/14141757-are-three-row-aluminum-radiators-better-than-two
The best replacement for OEM radiator is aluminum radiators that dissipate heat a lot better have usually more cores and more cooling space faster cool off and they're lighter than brass and copper and more durable than plastic
One benefit about aluminum radiators that wasn't mentioned is that more often then stock radiators, aluminum radiators can be more easily fixed, rather then needing to be replaced.
You reminded me of a time when my grandfather‘s old truck had a tiny pinhole in its aluminum radiator. We were on the road in the middle of nowhere. He grabbed his tin solder kit and literally sealed it with that, and it held. That’s something you really can’t do with a stock radiator especially if the plastic breaks.
Article on the topic here: www.dewitts.com/blogs/news/14141757-are-three-row-aluminum-radiators-better-than-two
Aluminum radiators are good radiators if you buy quality, and know what core design you need for your application. I’m not saying plastic tanks dissipate heat better or last longer ! this video is to raise awareness for buying cheap and deep fake EBay radiators. My mistake is your education!
Both radiators are aluminum cored
One has standard core, the other has an import core design.
US VS Metric Core designs in “TUBE WIDTHS”
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Story time!
my aluminum radiator leaked after 1 year of service, they fail TOO !! there is more than measuring just coolant capacity, The moral of the story here is to consider buying quality radiators and if you decide to go larger? Are you really going larger?? Do you know what you are buying? Import design? Standard US design? There are several variables to consider when buying aftermarket. I try to point out my mistakes and share key things to look for when you make your next purchase!! This is only educational purposes as you will make the mistake from buying cheap eBay and deep fake radiators ! I hope this helps . This is the point I try to make
eBay sellers sell cheap and deep fake radiators I’m not saying they manufacture them, I’m just sharing my experience here. I have bought cheap radiators before from these sellers and they don’t work, lucky I caught the last which leaked transmission fluid in my coolant and that was a nightmare to repair. I caught this in preparation before for a long distance trip to Yosemite!! I wasted a lot of time and money there. What is your time worth? If you buy quality and know it’s quality good for you. I’m just trying to raise awareness that there are deep fake parts out there and very poor quality, on my think they are getting a good deal when really they are not! . I’m sure you and I can both agree on that? Thanks for watching Cheers
Ebay does NOT make radiators! If you buy a champion radiator from ebay, ebay didn't make it!
Anthony Wayne Anthony buddy eBay sellers sell cheap and deep fake radiators I’m not saying they manufacture them, I’m just sharing my experience here, I have bought cheap radiators before from these sellers and they don’t work, lucky I caught the last which leaked transmission fluid in my coolant and that was a nightmare to repair. I caught this in preparation for long distance trip to Yosemite!! I wasted a lot of time and money there. What is your time worth? If you buy quality and know it’s quality good for you. I’m just trying to raise awareness that there are deep fake parts out there and very poor quality, on my think they are getting a good deal when really they are not! . I’m sure you and I can both agree on that? Thanks for watching Cheers
Ebay don't make parts.
@@SIRICKO but they sure do sell fake ones 🤣🤣
Great, video. 2.5l to 3.0l is a 20% increase in coolant. Most aluminum radiators advertise 30%-40% better cooling. 25% is the correct field increase. So if your H.P motor is just on the edge of running too hot. Aluminum radiator is worth the $$
Hey, i know this comment is super late after your upload but would like to point out some things you're not considering. I used to design industrial lubrication systems which includes a variety of oil to water and oil to air cooling - so my experience with cooling system like this is pretty extensive.
So to start off, even though the total fin width is slightly smaller - the measured fluid capacity implies there is more columns of fins in the three row rad. This will contribute towards more surface area ***even though the surface area per column is less***. Another thing is that a smaller tube/fin will increase the velocity given the same overall flow rate through the radiator. A consequence of higher velocity is that you want to approach turbulent flow to maximize the heat capacity of the given fluid. There is a velocity squared relationship with effective diameter...An oversized radiator is possible when you approach laminar flow through and will also reduce that rads efficiency.
heat exchangers/radiators are always rated in POWER so you may see ratings for 600HP motors etc...Those numbers, for car rads, is going to be a metric of gasoline engines efficiency and how much heat is being rejected. Being that car engines can range from 20-30% you can conclude roughly the amount of power you make at the crank is about as much heat power you need to reject. It would be false advertising for manufacturers to rate their radiators incorrectly - and those ratings are actually a consequence of the rows among everything else I discussed above.
In summary - if you plan on sticking with a stock engine then it's ok to run the stock rad. If you live in a hot area and you have upgraded your engine, increased the power (which is really easy these days with new technology)....then yes UPGRADE YOUR RAD TO THE POWER YOURE MAKING.
@FRjhracing 💥 nice, thanks for watching. I appreciate it! You make a ton of good points here! This is well said and I totally agree with you about the power you make at the crank should match up to the needed heat rejection, a lot of manufacturers don’t explain this as well as you do and this is the answer to my question for those increasing power to the engine! I should have made this clear, for stock application based engines (my case) this calculation of heat to power rejection is already done for us , why change it? POWER , this video purpose was exactly this, start up a conversation on the variables of Radiators and what would perform the best on your application! The problem is some manufacturers don’t list the ratings of there radiators, and that is a sure sign of bad quality. Thanks for the explanation on this!
@@ATEMOFFROAD
Also please refer to this You Tuber's channel where he graphs it very nicely on a white board. czcams.com/video/Ldfuzy_JJUo/video.html
Meaning 3 rows aluninum rad i way better than stock rad? am i correct by my understanding with your explanation sir?
@@budzgallano6947 if the better is a high heat rejection and more capacity, then yes. But also you have to know the power rating and if the manufacturer is reputable in the claim. Then you have to make sure it makes sense at the power you're making. It doesn't make sense to replace stock rads on stock motors. Finally, if you find yourself upgrading the rad and potentially oversize it, you may have to upgrade other parts of the cooling system like a high flow electric water pump to achieve the turbulent flow I explained. Sorry it's not a simple yes /no
Sometimes the stock rad will get you far even doing things like shady ebay turbos lol
If you can't idle on a correctly functioning cooling system without the temp creeping higher over time, then you'll start looking for aftermarket.
Sounds like a professional. But great advice. The video uploader, kudos to you too.. great insight into what I didn't know about
Got some great content here and you know what you are talking about but take the time to so some courses on youtube or skillshare to improve your video editing.
Potentially get a mount for your phone as well so your hands can be free. Specifically, maybe get one that clips to your body too.
1stNightingale thank you . It’s been a work in progress
@@ATEMOFFROAD give purple panda a Google as well. May help with remote vocal recording.
i like how u give an answer of your opinion, when others always give an answer like "it depends" anyway good job
It does depend tho , everything has its pros & cons , it’s all opinion wise etc
*_Cool test! Nice to see the research behind this. Definitely got to order a new aluminum radiator for my 97 Ek Hatch. Just found out that the aluminum wields gave out. After all it was a cheap no name brand LOL. Going to upgrade to a Spoon Radiator someday._*
I believe the separation in the cores are meant for better air flow. Air can pass through easier with more cores. At two cores, air flow is more restricted than three cores. So the all aluminum radiator is more efficient cooling hot coolant than the oem radiator, which is why racing cars are common to have all aluminum radiator because of the performance needed.
While coolant capacity does makes a substantial difference in making your shopping decision, it is not the sole deciding factor when cross shopping the two radiators.
I think at the price oem sells their aluminum-plastic, it is well worth spending the extra cash to upgrade to more cores all aluminum radiator. At least you know there are no plastic parts that will break.
vaajchang do you mean 2 core are less restrictive than the 3? There are several variables that determine air flow: fan speed, size , type, auto/ manual ect. I beg to differ because I can clearly see through the two core, whereas i cannot with the 3 core. Also I believe the two cores are more reliable because less mechanical connections between the tanks. Nevertheless I’do see a US standard 3 core aluminum radiator as more effectively rejecting heat for cooling compared to a US 2 core Radiator with both having 2” standard tube width. But that is comparing US to US standards. At the end of the day in my experience OEM will always be a more superior choice in replacement vs aftermarket because it was designed for the engine and equipment. Aftermarket can be good as well , my only advice wether oem or aftermarket is to beware about import vs standard tube width, core quantity, capacity and last but not least application and quality of the radiator you buy.
Cheers
At first you sounded like you didn't know what you're talking about but once I watched some more you explained certain thing. Mine be a bit slow on that side but at the end everything was understood 👍🏾 good job man.
But one thing I think that gives the aluminum radiator the upper hand is that is dissipates heat alot quicker.
Another great video would be to test the coolant temp of both in the same environment.
Nice information 👍🏻
Simple and shortly answer 👍🏻👍🏻
Nice vid. Hands down when i went from the stock two row brass rad to a three row aluminum. It was NO CONTEST. The three row aluminum was far superior in cooling.
www.dewitts.com/blogs/news/14141757-are-three-row-aluminum-radiators-better-than-two
all the stock radiators fins are aluminum too aren't they so technically its just the end tanks that are different material?
You went after an often untested quality but you should aim for the temp difference under heat dissipation test being the main difference is the amount of rows which allow more contact with air utilizing the c.f.m
I don’t have to do that, this is already done for me
Plastic Aluminum or bras copper, which is the best?
www.dewitts.com/blogs/news/14141757-are-three-row-aluminum-radiators-better-than-two
Thank you so much for great information
One thing I’ve noticed about aluminum versus stock. The heat soak times on them very as well. I would be curious to see if the aluminum radiator has an overall lower full heat so temperature versus the stock radiator and how much of a difference there is
Thank you very much for the info. Don't what I did for on rebuilding the lower end on my brother's d16y8 engine. The compression was running at 250psi each. Wow, that's high. Running very hot, over pressure, and not taking in coolant nor venting when cool. I have to look into a better or bigger radiator than stock
It always seems where the hot coolant comes blasting back into the radiator is where the cracks appear on the composite tanks. Aluminum for the win win
The question for me is are radiator output temps lowered or not?
There are radiator products that advertise more volume, area and the number of passes &ect.
From what I've seen the difference is maybe 5 degrees.
That’s great information!
The three row radiator doesn't just hold a smidge more water, its three rows of tubes will have greater contact area with the fins, allowing more heat to be conducted to the air. I don't know what the pitch difference is between the fins of each, but the three row is going to be better in every way.
I would agree , but here is the article on the subject, if you own an aluminum radiator, go open the cap look inside and tell me if it has a standard or import core design ! Most “good radiator people are buying form quadratec or extreme terrain I bet are 100 percent import design . Funny thing about it is not only is it Chinese they don’t tell you core design.
www.dewitts.com/blogs/news/14141757-are-three-row-aluminum-radiators-better-than-two
@@ATEMOFFROAD Well, the article didn't use the proper math - surface area for the tubes is based on circumference times length. Based on that, the smaller 16mm (.63") tubes have 95% of the surface area of the 1" tubes for the same length of tubes, but if the rad was properly designed for turbulent flow between tubes the three row can, through adding turbulence in each succeeding row, conduct more. On top of that, modern rads are often given oval tubes instead of round, just as the best dad's in the 40's had hexagonal tubes because of increased surface area for the same "diameter". And...
I'd only get an aftermarket rad from an established American custom shop.
(I did a lot of research on radiator design while trying to work out a 750cc V-8 motorcycle engine, trying to get the most cooling in the smallest package. More than anything, how the air is ducted to and from the rad determines the efficiency of the cooling system)
@@johngregory4801 good point, another thing to consider is that of heat rejection. the 3 row aluminum cored radiator may conduct and hold that heat whereas the 2 row standard design allows more CFM to pass through rejecting the heat more efficiently. The additional core is more prone to clogging and resistive to air flow holding heat. I know this to be true , because at the time of producing this video I could clearly see through the standard design rad whereas I couldn’t with the 3 row. Of course the type fan and how well you can pull that air though the rad is another variable. Nevertheless as you mentioned this video is to bring up awareness on deep fake radiators and to help the buyer be aware of critical variables when purchasing there radiator. I think it’s important to do research on the products your buying especially when most of the time they don’t mention core design. This is why at the end of the video I leave it for the viewer to make up there final thoughts based on there applications. Of course everything changes based on variables. Stock engine , high performance engines etc.
Thanks for your video. Very good information
💥 nice , thanks for watching
Very good video. Definitely helped me make the decision on which to buy. Did the all-aluminum radiator crack? Interested to know where the leak is.
Thanks for watching I appreciate it, and yes the radiator was cracked in the lower left side where the lower tank attaches to the cores.
@@ATEMOFFROAD thanks again👍
Great job young man. God bless you.
Edyon thank you , I try, have a nice day!!
2 row radiators have more cooling potential per square inch.
When compared to the three row, with its reduced row width, the three row would still have more surface area per CUBIC inch.
More surface area per cubic inch vs square = more cooling potential.
the thing with alll aluminum make sure your you have a brand new oem cap since its going to be the only pressure release if your thermostat fail close vs the plastic tanks that have pressure release points on the seems
Of course it’s gonna be better,just depends on ur hp,I got a stock radiator but I’ve upgraded to 650hp now so my stock can’t handle the pressure.So now I gotta upgrade it to either a 4 or 5 row
Thank you for great video 👊 As I understand thay 20% increase which is huge, especially since I live and play in the desert. I have a aluminum radiator and never had a issue in my TJ.
You must have a good quality radiator
@@ATEMOFFROAD Im3not sure why I'm here. it 3 core one inch tubing ve getting mixed reviews just like anything 😆 but thank you again for sharing really helped
I purchased all aluminum radiator because the original plastic one leaked at the bottom. It cost more so I’m hoping it last longer than the stock replacement. The stock radiator replacement only lasted 8,000 miles.
Its a extra 100 bucks to get rid of a plastic radiator on my Ford van. Hard to believe they used plastic on the top and bottom. Just a cheap plastic leaker or solid 100% aluminum. I’m going all aluminum.
Thanks for the video
Unfortunately there’s deep fake , under quality OEM look alike radiators out there too! If possible buy directly from Autozone or orielys on those, so you can get the lifetime warranty! Thanks for watching!
I did the switch on my freightliner cascadia and i would imagine since its bigger the difference should be more noticeable. Had to pour 12 gallons of coolant to fill her.
Makes total sense, and I doubt you went with a cheap eBay radiator with no brand name! Thanks for watching
Another plus on the all aluminum radiator is that they're repairable. On a semi one can cost up to $1200 in parts only. On cars it makes less sense since the cost of labor will eat up any savings. Unless you are talking about German cars that else.
In your situation I totally agree , for one your not buying cheap eBay radiators for your semi and Two repair may be cheaper then in your case! Make sense! Although plastic tank radiators can be repaired too! I had the plastic tanks replaced on this radiator you see in the video! And I’ve put over 25k on this radiator no problem! Thanks for watching cheers 🍻
Good info I'd say it's situational though from vehicle to vehicle or manufacturer to manufacturer. But definitely in this case not worth the extra.
Could have been how it was made, but it would be wise to check for stray voltage that could have eaten the radiator faster
all about the grounds
Also important is the health effect of plastic material on a hot radiator. Gives off minute amount of toxic fumes which accumulate in the body over time, not sensed by most people. It's like a mini plastic recycling factory in your car.
Briefly, it's NOT how many liters it gets in, but is is HOW EFFECTIVE it COOLS DOWN. And, you don't answer to that... Mate, I appreciate your effort into this vid. But it's a promise undelivered. Cheers
Maybe you'll do another test and hook up those rads to same engine and show us cooling times? Or so?
www.dewitts.com/blogs/news/14141757-are-three-row-aluminum-radiators-better-than-two
I prefer the aluminum because plastic tanks crack easily but it's always a gamble. My ebay 3 row aluminum I put on my xj lasted over 6 years and counting.
Wow 6 years that’s really good ! Thanks for watching
Where did the aluminum leaked from? did it started cracking due to heat or something.
Never overheated! Started to get a drip of coolant on the floor after the engine/ radiator cooled down. when the unit was hot it never leaked, mostly Likely because coolant burned off or the crack had sealed when the aluminum expanded. I pressure tested the radiator and failed. Leaks On the lower left hand corner where the core connects to the lower tank.
Hi, where was the aluminum radiator leaking from?
Lower tank , www.dewitts.com/blogs/news/14141757-are-three-row-aluminum-radiators-better-than-two
hi thank u fro the video i want ask u were we can buy 3 core rodaiter?? spicaly i live in dubai 😇
www.dewitts.com/blogs/news/14141757-are-three-row-aluminum-radiators-better-than-two
3 core alloy cost me $180, a stock one would have cost me $400 and only a 2 core. Fingers crossed mine don't leak. Good video bro.
400 wow 🤩 thanks for watching! Cheers
How's it holding up?
Not a professional but I think that 50% greater ability to dump thermal energy is going to count for a lot more than 12.5% additional coolant held, it's the coolant flowing through volume per second and the physical ability to transfer that thermal energy to the air that matter, additional coolant in the radiator at any given time i would think only has any effect if the fluid per second flow is the same through both, and even then not enough to catch up to the gains in thermal dumping frombthe advantsges of the stock. Now put the wider pipes on the aluminum and make it thicker so you still have the extra coolant in it at any given time? Ya that would have an advantage taking the strengths of both and building them into the same new rad.
have you done a testing?
Why the extra step of pouring into the metal bucket when you're just going to pour into the plastic bucket?
because I didn’t know how much water was in the radiator, possibly overfilling the smaller plastic bucket, but we know now ! Thanks for watching 🍻
I had a 2 row and when I pulled my camper it would over heat in hot weather and I upgraded to a 3 row and have no problems with heating anymore so I’ll have to disagree bc obviously that extra water does something
Whitney Duncan yes a three row radiator is bigger than a two row if you trade an import for an import or US standard for an US standard TUBE WIDTH, radiator. The three row will be bigger from fin to fin surface contact and the tank bigger as well The problem is when compare a two core Import vs A two row US standard they are very different in size.. fin to fin for heat rejection. so yes a two row US standard radiator is bigger than a 2 row import radiator excluding tank size ! So my question is did you replace your radiator with an import or US standard radiator? It’s when you mix the two standards is the problem! This is the difference I point out . In your case you most likely replaced it with an US for US or IMPORT for import. Now the tanks could be different in size this is what holds most of the coolant. Hope this helps?
Keep in mind his more than likely factory 2 row was probably clogged up a bit. Of course any new radiator is going to make a difference.
I agree
Depends here is the article www.dewitts.com/blogs/news/14141757-are-three-row-aluminum-radiators-better-than-two
What exact car are these rads for? I want the exact rad you have in the video
Jeep wrangler tj
Aluminum dissipates heat better plus the extra core is most definitely better, especially if you’re pushin some power. More power more heat.
Heat dissipation is the key
What's the weight difference?
Does coolant corrode the alluminum?
The metal most prone to corrosion in a cooling system environment is aluminum, but The Proper Antifreeze coolant provides protection from rust and corrosion and does not harm rubber hoses and plastics. Antifreeze should not corrode metal parts, attack rubber, become viscous at low temperatures, or evaporate readily at the ordinary engine operating temperature.
@@ATEMOFFROAD So if I use the right coolant for my vehicles mixed 50/50 with distilled water, it won't corrode an alluminum radiator or heater core?
@@RamboRichardson there’s a lot more to that , I suggest not mixing yourself and buy already mixed ready to go!
I guess yall are forgetting that aluminum disapates heat faster & also aluminum radiators are usually bigger in size so more surface area equals more heat disapation.
Thank you for saving me $400. God bless.
aluminium is known to dispense heat, also, the reason it probably leaked maybe due to the grade of aluminium used. AA5052 is aircraft grade, the one most people use is T-3303 and because it is easier to work with and cheaper material.
Radiator in my 1996 isuzu had plastic end caps that cracked - non-repairable. Use of plastics in a radiator just plain pisses me off - planned obsolescence!
As for the radiator comparison I'd say this: If engine running hot is issue it would be worth buying the radiator with larger capacity even with what he considers being modest - I think auto manufacturers use radiators having marginal capacity to barely meet cooling needs of the engines - this becomes a problematic issue as the vehicle ages - a real test would be to measure radiator performance under actual load conditions - merely measuring coolant capacity isn't adequate...🇺🇲
Ray Bin my aluminum radiator leaked after 1 year of service, they fail TOO !! there was more than measuring coolant capacity, and for 1996 with plastic tanks, that’s really good? The moral of the story here is to consider buying quality radiators and if you decide to go larger? Are you really going larger?? Do you know what you are buying? Import design? Standard US design? There are several variables to consider when buying aftermarket, I try to point out my mistakes and share key things to look for when you make your next purchase!! This is only educational purposes as you will make the mistake from buying cheap eBay and deep fake radiators ! I hope this helps . This is the point I make!! Cheers!!
I agree to an extent, I didn’t mention this but I actually took the aluminum radiator down to my local radiator repair shop and because this particular failure where the core connects to the tank , he said it would cost more to repair than it was worth! Now mind you the stock radiator I put back in my Jeep it to did fail while I was up in the rubicon but I took it to a local shop and he replaced the upper tank for a fraction of the cost and I’ve had that radiator on my Jeep for years now! Now of course a guy like us may keep a torch and some aluminum rods handy in the rig to patch up a weld or hole but that is extra weight to consider the variables. Not very practical for the demand and conditions I expect from an aluminum radiator! I’ve had to Tig weld damaged ac lines in a rig , it’s a ton of work to repair if the tools are handy but yes doable , just not ideal for everyone! My thoughts
Apart from the half litre difference between the two, the aluminum radiator appears to have reliability issues.
I had mine for 10 years in hot Arizona desert. I have 25 year old jeep and never given me issues with Aluminum
When your going on a road trip and its 100 F degrees outside and them plastic tanks fail....your gonna say why didnt i run the all aluminum radiator with more capacity and a better cooling capability w more rows.
Todd bob nice thanks for watching, I agree if you actually know what your buying and what’s going in your ride aluminum can be better! That’s the point of this video, Cheers!
I would say the aluminum better for us here in California since it’s always hot here like our weather still 100 and already middle of October better keeping car cool during traffic jams
Did you need adapters for the aluminum radiator???
No it was bolt on ready 🍻
So is better to choice stock radiator of the car guys.. I have a toyoto corolla xe 1.3 2003 model Philippines I buy this car for secondhand and I used this car about 2 years so I want to change the radiator for the safty of the engine I am right because it has a leaks that's why I need to change new one.. And I saw this video and I have got idea for still the stock one.. Thank you so much for this video God bless
@RICHARD VERSOZA 💥 nice , thanks for watching, for that vehicle I’m willing to bet a stock OEM quality radiator will do just fine for you . Stay away from cheap eBay radiators! Cheers
Yes sir I will buy a stock one because my engine is a stock also Thank you so much.. 😊
Soooooo how did the stock radiator hold up? Why you stop without a field test?
Still running the stock radiator
czcams.com/video/NIghIrsSuI4/video.html
you bought a cheapy one from ebay i assume. the plastic tank are soldered together with the core, u can use head gun to desoldered it easily, meaning over the time of use, the heat will eventually desolder the tank from the core slowly=leaking. the alumimum tank is ticked welded = more durable and will not leak. the plastic tank will not last as long as the aluminum tank either.
Its not just about volume if coolant. Aluminum conducts heat better and the welded tanks are supposed to be less prone to leaks.
No it lets off heat better, copper is a better conducter than aluminum, and that's the thing in a radiator YOU DONT WANT IT TO CONDUCT HEAT you want it to let it off, if you conduct heat your just storing the heat and not letting it off, that's why heatsink are aluminum not hot copper, if it was the hold unit would get hot and overheat
Aluminum dissipates heat better than any...
But in this case the tanks did not hold up. www.dewitts.com/blogs/news/14141757-are-three-row-aluminum-radiators-better-than-two
Half a liter its a big diference in cool capacity but why aluminium leak? Someting its not right there, the plastic ouver time crack and leak and the coper tin core its not good because expasion
In this case the plastic lasts way longer than the aluminum. Here’s the article www.dewitts.com/blogs/news/14141757-are-three-row-aluminum-radiators-better-than-two
Aluminum or bras copper, which is th best?
Luto-Luto Ta Guyz 💥 nice, thanks for watching, there’s a lot of room for discussion on that question, I think any type of material you buy can be great at heat dissipation, as long as it made well and of quality materials! Ive seen OEM radiators with plastic tanks last 10 times longer than cheap aluminum knock off radiators that claim better heat dissipation,
And more cores! when really that is untrue. The bottom line is know what your buying and get quality. This is why I open the discussion on the video in the first place. , don’t skimp on radiators hope this helps. Cheers
I mean plastic aluminum or brass copper, coz im about to buy plastic aluminum and dont have idea for quality of plastic aluminum.. My old is brass copper and many leakes is everywhere coz its too old
Luto-Luto Ta Guyz I would first go to your local parts store and try and find one by year make and model of your vehicle. They will have good quality radiators there
Plastic with ALUMINUM depending on your car, copper and brass are good heat conductors but can't transfer heat as good as aluminum, if you got a car which the transmission cooler is in the radiator go with the plastic aluminum, the copper tends to hold heat in the radiator and not disperse it, so your tranny and engine would run hotter on newer cars, older cars won't matter, if you can get a 100% aluminum radiator go for it, and run antifreeze or coolant only, water would rust the aluminum but downside is depending on where the plastic radiator crack it can leak into the transmission fluid, that can go for all radiators btw
@@pk6336158 how about doubled head gasket? coz the mechanic decide to put my car in a double gasket..
you will get more cooling surface to air ratio on a 3 row. Yes , it will also take a little more coolant which helps as well but I think the surface to air is what gets it.Also, no plastic tanks. For $20 difference id take an aluminum 3 row. Nothing wrong with the stock, just sayin..
Also have to take in counter the air cooling
Moral of the story is never buy things off of eBay. Your just asking to get scammed
Tyler Kovalski best comment & lesson learned Hahah exactly, buy quality parts! Yes
The moral of the story here is to consider buying quality radiators and if you decide to go larger? Are you really going larger?? Do you know what you are buying? Import design? Standard US design? There are several variables to consider when buying aftermarket, I try to point out my mistakes and share key things to look for when you make your next purchase!! This is only educational purposes as you will make the mistake from buying cheap eBay and deep fake radiators ! I hope this helps . This is the point I make!! Cheers!!
Where was the real test? Does it cool better? Not how much water does it hold
Good question, because I placed this on a stock vehicle, there was no test because it should perform equal to or better than a stock radiator! The radiator leaked just after a few months! It failed the ultimate test! Beware of cheap eBay radiators!
www.dewitts.com/blogs/news/14141757-are-three-row-aluminum-radiators-better-than-two
I believe they are both aluminum. One looks like an all-aluminum and the other appears to be an aluminum core with plastic tanks. Also, more rows may not be beneficial if you don't have a good enough fan(s) to move an adequate volume of air through it.
I'm just sick of plastic manifolds, that are just crimped on. Kinda hard to roll anything past 200k if your engine gets torpedoed by a $20 radiator. That's just my thoughts.
It really isn’t a fair study because you need more water when all water is drained from the motor itself so you will need to add water once the line is packed.
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Aluminum is always better , you've got more coolant capacity plus the upper and lower tanks help to radiate heat better than plastic ones , keep that in mind.😊
You have a cheap 3 row. I have expensive radiators in my offroad truck that are 3 row but the tube widths are larger. It’s night and day over stock cooling. They are about a inch thicker than a stock unit though. Also aluminum sheds heat better than a stock radiator
Yes my mistake on that one, it’s bad when you say a stock radiator is better 😂 😂 thanks for watching
I bet your 3 row is US tuned too www.dewitts.com/blogs/news/14141757-are-three-row-aluminum-radiators-better-than-two
The racing aluminum radiators are always better there's more pins in them to cool the water more efficiently they hold a little bit more water the plastic doesn't rot and break like on the stock ones and the weight difference is not that much better but there's still ten times better than the regular stock radiator
💯 agree, and they are not cheap knock offs most racing is of quality
Aluminum radiators require less water less water flow means a quicker heat up.
I dont think capacity is the whole story in performace fo instance a copper and brass one will our perform the alunimum due to better heat transfer from the fluid
@kevin Lind 💥 nice , thanks for watching . I don’t think capacity is the whole story either, there are several other variables, like tube width! And quality is way more important, This is the point I try to make in the video. Cheers!
@@ATEMOFFROAD the biggest factor is fin density from what I know but the denser you make it the more static air pressure the fan needs
Its the next way around, if you see any computer CPU or device using copper as a heat sink 📞 me.
www.dewitts.com/blogs/news/14141757-are-three-row-aluminum-radiators-better-than-two
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Wrong way to compare a radiator efficiency. You should compare the input temperature & output temperature.
I don’t need to do that, it’s already done for us . Read the article in the description
Good video. I'm with you. Keep the stock. However, I have seen testing between a 2 core stock vs. a 2 core aluminum the aluminum temps were 10 to 15 degrees cooler because the aluminum could disepate heat better. But then you see experts talking about more cores the better when you just proved that wrong.
cbrSpeedster1 thanks for watching. A good quality stock radiator will always be the best choice for your vehicle in my opinion. Just raising awareness how easily it is to get the wrong information on the market and possibly get ripped off by sharing my mistakes! Be aware of Import vs US standard dimensions quality and deep fake radiators. Have a good day
Aluminium is a lot more cooler cools down a lot quicker your Vesely just got a radiator that wasn’t properly sealed the plastic on the original radiators crack break a lot easier the heat does it to the plastic everytime plastic gets hot and cold it gets weaker
Why didn’t he just add it in to the measuring cup first ? 😏
Justen Topasna 💥 nice, thanks for watching! I did that because I didn’t know what was going to happen possibly overfilling the measuring cup! , the pot was wider to catch all the coolant , the large pot was easier to transfer the water to the measuring cup’ cheers
Your mom is going to be upset when she finds out what you did with her soup pot!
Hahah 😂😂
This is not a test have to do a test on vehicle. Air flow over the fins over the rows over the water displacement to disperse heat… true test would be a run time with heat loss in and out of radiator get you a delta temp
There is no test needed. All of that is already done for us. Did you read the article or listen to the first half of the video the aluminum radiator failed much sooner than the factory radiator it’s a cross between a quality issue and people paying for things they don’t actually need.
@@ATEMOFFROAD true then the rest of the video was useless of him showing the water jackets… s quality vs quality was not shown here I would like to see a delta temp reading on any compared radiators
@@ATEMOFFROAD he’s is just basically explaining the row do sighn based off these but if the radiator with more rows is the same size measurements as one with less then there is a question but based off this doesn’t conform weather it effects heat dispensing all it is showing is quantity of water in a radiator if it is based of amount of water then I can stick a 10 gallon aluminum Barrow in there and get al the cooling I need based off a reasoning of the amount of water in it making it better or not u need air flow vs radiator fins and water to make coiling
@@ATEMOFFROAD a true test would be with radiator temp in vs temp out give your your delta split with same air flow and temp in and out
stock radiators were great back when they werent plastic
A little more or less fluid capacity does not matter. Both these radiator cores are aluminum. On the radiator one you call aluminum the end caps are welded to the core instead of having crimped on plastic end caps. The crimped on plastic end caps crack and they also leak where they attach to the radiator core. The all aluminum radiator with aluminum end caps welded to the core are vastly superior to plastic end caps.
Thanks for watching
So your saying plastic is a better heat dissipator than aluminum?? Uuummm ok.. watched your videos today. And I thought this guy would make a great rite aid team member.
I am Not saying plastic dissipates heat better than aluminum! Both radiators are aluminum cored but different in quality! one has plastic one has aluminum tanks .one has standard cores , the others has imported cores design! The plastic tank radiator out lasted the aluminum tank radiator by many many years and I still have the plastic tank radiator on the jeep today! The major difference in these radiators is the plastic radiator is of high quality and the aluminum is of very low quality! The aluminum tank radiator is a cheap deep fake radiator from eBay . Knowing what your buying is the point of this video ! Not sure what jibbers your taking about rite aid team members? , thanks for watching’
@@ATEMOFFROAD just trolling brother hahaha. But bs to the side I would prefer an aluminum all day over the plastic/aluminum even if I’m not running high performance. Great video by the way. Just don’t agree with some stuff.
@@simorebuths7301 absolutely, I’d take a aluminum radiator over plastic radiator all day too, but I’ve learned my mistake from buying cheap eBay deep fake radiators , you can spend 4 times the cost (compared to a OEM) for an aluminum quality radiator its totally up to you! Thanks for watching
...but you also get Aluminum Tanks...NOT Plastic....
Nice , spend the money and get good quality aluminum radiator
In this case the aluminum fails way before the plastic. 🤷♂️ www.dewitts.com/blogs/news/14141757-are-three-row-aluminum-radiators-better-than-two
It all boils down to which one is more durable. They all have aluminum fins/inner cores. But the one with composite plastic end tanks is prone to crack easily sooner or later compared to the all-aluminum radiator. Secondly, the seam/joint between plastic tank and aluminum components is not reliable & durable in the long run. Lastly, plastic that's always exposed to very high temp will definitely become brittle, weak & tends to break easily...
Yes if you buy a quality aluminum radiator, not a cheap one from extreme terrain, eBay, Amazon. My quality plastic tank rad out lasted this chinsey all aluminum eBay radiator by years of service. Top that off with a mindset of buying what you think is better just because it’s “all aluminum construction” you are getting ripped off. They do not tell you want you are buying. Your plastic tank radiator must not be genuine or very very old. watch this video. Its a updated version of this video . My TOP 5 Biggest MISTAKES Since Owning A Jeep - Learn From This
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Pouring water isn't easy...no brainer keep replacing with stock...keep replacing stock..or you can upgrade now to Aluminum
This aluminum radiator was NO upgrade 😂
The aluminum radiator can be repaired, the plastic one cannot, the aluminum one will out perform the plastic one and if you get one that doesn't have a problem with leaks in a short amount of time you should basically never get a problem with them as the metal will not degrade easily however the plastic will
I agree if you bought high quality genuine aluminum radiators, about 4 times the cost of the oem! This full body aluminum rad was not of high quality as to why it failed after 1 year. (Cheap eBay). The stock radiator that is plastic I still have in this jeep today. Says a lot about radiators at how they are made. Now if your spending that much money on a full allu Rad does the mfg put a lifetime warranty on the radiator? Is it metric or standard tubes? Do you know what your buying? Also keep in mind that it only makes sense to replace full body allu rads with more capacity and rows is if you have a modified engine that would require it. In this example is still doesn’t make sense🤷♂️
Yeah it keeps your engine in The Sweet spot when you're doing hard driving so you can get the most horsepower out of your vehicle and longevity out of your engine
i guess NO Birra will be made in that pot after this
I cleaned it out good! A lot of tamales steamed in that pot! AbondagAs too!
@@ATEMOFFROAD fuk it call me over when its CHOW TIME!
the aluminum radiator shouldnt be leaking. i think u got a bad one. my truck overheated and cracked the plastic radiator. lets see if that extra half a liter which on my truck will probably give me a whole extra 1 liter with the aluminum radiator. i think that litter extra might help a tad. for my truck may help me more then you.lets see if the aluminum radiator cracks under high heat. i dont think it will crack. put the aluminum in and be done with stock bs they build stuff to break now because they want you to spend money on parts
Your missing the point. It’s not amount to amount of fluid it’s about the expanded surface field.
Excuse me i need to go pee
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@@ATEMOFFROAD Hello ,after my irrelevant comment last time , im back to tell i still went out to try a aluminum radiator from ebay just for the looks of it ,and guess what?
The thing last only 7 months and started to leak at the bottom tank corner 😡 didn't see any cooling benefits from my original plastic/aluminum 2 raws ,so i should it just purchased the stock one like you recommended!
@@Terrifier1984 it’s not your fault, it’s people selling junk to good people! , i hope everything is ok and no catastrophe failures, really appreciate you sharing that with us thank you
Plastic tanks like plastic headlight covers BS for the consumer. SAAB used to have intercoolers w plastic tanks unreal....
My aluminum radiator was cheaper than stock
What brand?
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Be aware don't buy aluminium dint last 6 months going back to stock
bro there’s no “extra money” for aluminum. stock radiators are expensive. aluminum is not.