They released their pricing early to nudge them in the direction of their choosing, plus, it allows them to price fix their products without legal repercussions.
The most surprising this about the 7600 to me is its efficiency... Or lack thereof. It performs nearly identically to a 6650 XT and draws nearly the same power. If it wasn't for the spec sheet I would say it looks like it's still running on RDNA 2.
@@Raivo_K I honestly completely forgot about the lithography difference. Yes 7nm to 6nm Is a small jump that focuses on density (TSMC doesn't advertise anything about power or performance of N6, so it's probably just about identical to N7). The problem is stated in the video, AMD advertised RDNA 3 as having 52% more performance per watt than RDNA 2, and we have seen basically none of that in this product. Even the greatest efficiency leap in the lineup, the 7900 xt has only about 23% more performance per watt than the 6900 xt (according to Hardware Unboxed it has nearly the same power draw, but is 23% faster at 4K). 23% is nice, but a far cry from 52% It's weird become historically AMD has been really good with their marketing matching their actual product performance, but this generation they have absolutely dropped the ball in that department. I really hope this is a minor blip and not the beginning of a further trend.
@@devindykstra As Mlid has pointed out , something went wrong with it, so the performance was hinged. It had higher performance in their labs and beta test, but they were getting artifacts and crushes with it, so those 50% claims were correct, but at the prototype stage while the card was having problems, and they thought they could fix those problems by the release date but they didn't, and so they had to slash the performance to get rid of the lower performance that it got. Now we can only hope for the next gen, that they manage to fix the issue on a new node and then it will be a substantial jump gen to gen with RX 8000 series.
NVidia & AMD must react to what gamers expect from the 3 tiers & price accordingly. GPU categories: 1. High-End = Smooth performance at 4K ultra settings, (without needing false frame generation/emulations) in ALL current games. 2. Mid-Range = Smooth performance at 1440p ultra settings (without needing false frame generation/emulations) in ALL current games. 3. Low-end = Anything which can't at least deliver playable 1080p ultra in ALL current games (without needing false frame generation/emulations.) Technology moves forward; what WAS cutting edge 10 years ago is now outdated rubbish, so as new games come out, if a GPU can't meet the requirements for it for its current category then it moves DOWN a category - even current high-end GPUs will become low-end over time. By this clear and logical definition any current GPU with 8GB VRAM or less is automatically low end. The artificially high prices, and model numbers, don't change that, and AI emulation/frame generation is not a true substitute for raw performance, so GPU prices should reflect this. You could potentially have a better graphical gaming experience using a current games console than playing on a low end GPU, so why would anyone pay as much JUST for a GPU as an entire games console portable gaming system?
Interesting take but it works in reverse too imo, like this. Nvidia hear on the grapevine that the 7600 is launching for $300, Nvidia's own $300 GPU out performs it but isn't ready, so Nvidia releases information on their GPU to show how good it is. AMD gets feedback from the community to say 'this is DOA at $299, drop it to $249', so they meet halfway at $269. Nvidia has just cut 10% of AMD's revenue on this card (and a large chunk of margins I'm sure), overnight without having to change any of their plans, just make 1 slide deck. See works in reverse too doesn't it?
But if nVidia wants to cut 10% of AMD's revenue, why not release the information on the 4060 one day AFTER the 7600 launches? It would be more hurtful to AMD to release the info one day after. Plus, he would get the buyer feedback on sales at $299. The 4060 was not going to sell for less than $299. Outside of the 4090, every launch after has been a disaster. Jensen has to save his reputation somehow by having a GPU at the low end that is a "good news" story. Let's not talk about how it is really a 50-series GPU (comparing hardware specs) disguised as a 60-series. Almost all reviewers do not. And remember, he sold the 1060 Founders edition for $299, the 2060 was $349 and the 3060 was $329. Selling this GPU labeled as a 4060 for $299, in his mind, is a good news story.
@@ImaMac-PC If they released it after AMD wouldn't lower the price in response necessarily, I think this method by Nvidia does maximum damage. I don't think the 4060 will be a good news story, it's too late, we can't as a community accept both a name change and a price increase, we'll do one or the other but not both (I think).
@@conza1989 I would agree with you about maximizing damage if you assume AMD would still be able to sell the same number of RX 7600 GPUs at either $269 or $299. However, if NVIDIA waited, then they get to make AMD look like fools and people would just buy the 4060 instead because it would also have the same performance but have more features...and AMD would sell no RX 7600 gpus. Sure, AMD could drop the price later, but the reviews are already out and the damage is already done. BTW, I totally agree with you that nobody should buy these GPUs. Just buy last gen.
Every Radeon release we hear the same thing: "This year will be AMD's year!" I've been hearing it for nigh on half a decade now with these RDNA cards. I'm still waiting. They so nearly had me with the 6800 & 6800XT cards but the prices were too high, as if they didn't WANT people buying them.
@@nuffsaid7759 you forget i sit on 2 5700xt i got on sale and oc it peforms like a the 6700xt almsot beat the 3060 it´s oc to hell yes but still one of the best cards amd have done if you grabbed them 2018 on sale its like 5 years now
I wonder how the RTX 4060ti will compare to the RTX 4060. I wonder if Nvidia will shame itself with an RTX 4050? That would actually be a 4040 or 4030? Maybe if it was a 75W and had short PCI height versions, it could be 'ok' for a niche audience?
I predict that the rtx 4050 will come with 6GB of VRAM. The rtx 4060 is coming with 8GB of VRAM. If the rtx 4050 comes out with 6GB of VRAM then its also dead on arrival and the rtx 3050 looks far more appealing since it has 8GB of VRAM.
@@IdeasAreBulletproof I could, lets just see what they bring out. Im curious and want to see what the price is going to be, I also saw they reduced the price of rtx 3050 to 220 dollars. If the 4050 comes out the large stock of 3050 could be priced at 160-180 dollars.
I showed in my last video the 4060 will not do good at all. It will fall short of the 3060 ti...The 4060's real name is a 4050. Sad times for everyone but 90-series GPU buyers.
Honestly, it's not enough of a price drop, it loses by a large margin to the 6700 and 6700XT which has more VRAM and is only nominally more expensive. It barely outpaces the 6650XT which is selling cheaper. It doesn't really have any meaningful new feature set to set it apart from the previous gen. Basically it's DOA regardless because AMD gimped the GPU too hard.
I think they were trying to maximize profits by releasing their GPU higher than they know it should be, because they expect [smaller] reviewers and early adopters to buy it anyway. Then, it would have drifted lower in price over time to pickup sales.
Quite clearly a $300 launch of AMD RX 7600 would have been utterly trashed by reviewers. However I also think that had nVidia got away with it then the pricing of the RX 7600 would have been $300. Raising the question that nVidia are throwing a lifeline to Radeon is interesting. What consumers really need are two more manufacturers to shake up the market, both for GPU and CPU. Something that can demonstarte an independence of competition and provide confidence that the consumer isn't being played by the only two manufacturers, that will at least know what the other is up to, even if they haven't any direct plan to co-operate in the market. It all meshes too closely for my liking as it stands.
agree ore soon all are gonna go back to kindegarden and buy ps5 with the prices on hardware the console start to atract alot of people not only kids now days and why not 120 hz hdmi and higher with displayport
Jensen: Lisa, what progress you will make with the RDNA 3? Lisa: 50% with higher tiers, 30% with middle ones, and maybe 10% with the lowest tier Jensen: FKKK Lisa this is terrible! I have more than a 70% uplift here on the table! Lisa: Yeah I know... we blew it. Architecture is not ready, drivers are not ready, chiplets design is not ready, FSR 3 is not ready... total mess. Jensen: OK, I will put the wrong cards into the wrong boxes so this way I will make more money! 10% lowest tier, 30% middle tier, 50% higher tier but I won't hold back my top tier to be clear. Lisa: OK, we have a deal. Jensen: But please, get to work there because it's pathetic. I'm gonna look stupid with a 4050 inside the 4060 box. Lisa: Yes yes... we will try. Just don't make them too expensive so maybe people won't notice and we will follow you with pricing as always. Jensen: ......
@@ImaMac-PC If you want to see something "hilarious" then maybe you would like to make a video about this: 4060 in reality is a cut down 4050 GA107/OEM 3050 - 107 die, 21.4% of full die cores, 200mm², 128-bit bus, 8GB GD6, PCIe4 x8 - $200? 4060 - 107 die, 16.7% of full die cores, 190mm², 128-bit bus, 8GB GD6, PCIe4 x8 - $300 Laptop 4060 - 32MB L2 vs Desktop 4060 - 24MB L2 4060ti in reality is the 4050 _3050_ - 106 die, 23.8% of full die cores, 276mm², 128-bit bus, 8GB GD6, PCIe4 x8 - $250 4060ti - 106 die, 23.6% of full die cores, 190mm², 128-bit bus, 8GB GD6, PCIe4 x8 - $400 Where is the 4060 you will ask? Inside the 4070 box 3060 - 104 die, 33.3% of full die cores, 276mm², 192-bit bus, 12GB GD6, PCIe4 x16 - $330 4070 - 104 die, 31.9% of full die cores, 295mm², 192-bit bus, 12GB GD6X, PCIe4 x16 - $600 If you will look closer you will see that this whole series is a scam and the lower the tier the scam is bigger.
To be honest, 7600 at 269USD has not much better position over its old 299USD price. AFAIK AMD intended to sell this one as 7600xt, but realizing its performance or probably too much benchmarking care by reviewers, they called it non XT. I guess the reason was to make it looking good getting some performance uplift over RX6600, although RX6600 has cut N23 die while 7600 using full Navi33 die with specs similar to full N23 used at RX6600XT/6650XT. Transfer of chip from 7nm to 6nm allowed for better efficiency and density, but no performance uplift, thats given by nodes differences, but AMD could make it smaller chip, just 0,5Gbps faster memory and slap there some AI, which is popular. 20perc more transistors wasted more or less. Oh, done cache tweaks made on 7600 too. RX 6600 is around 180USD, 6600xt some 220USD, these 2 AMD own gpus make 7600 not great value as long as these won't completely sell out. You made nice analysis with fresh idea, completely fitting to AMD and Nvidia strategies and strengths.
Thank you. You nailed it with the naming. That's exactly what they did. That was a big red flag before we saw before the performance was revealed. The best thing that could happen for the RX 7600 is to have the 6600 & 6600xt completely sell out!
@@ImaMac-PC My guess AMD did it for purely production cost savings. The die is smaller 204 vs 237mm, I think they would not go for design/engineering costs if they had not already TSMC offer of same or even lower cost of 6nm over 7nm. Definitely not a boredom product. Now they have to grow up and sell it below the price tag of RX6600. so less than 180 bucks. Come on, AMD! Here I am wrong. I forgot they are using 6nm already for 7900xt/xtx for mem and I/O part of MCM. So 7600 N33 is probably fitting outer area of wafers, right? Then it was whole order matter, they could ask bigger quantity of wafers, having transfer whole Rdna3 to newer nodes.
it makes sense from a business perspective to leak the 4060 data. Im pretty sure that he wanted to show potential buyers that they will get a nvidia alternative for the 7600 for the same price but with nvidia features so they hold on buying the 7600 before the release of the 4060. little did they know that the 7600 would be bad on its own. the 4060 just needs to be mediocre at the price of 299 and it will sell miles better than the equivalent amd gpu at 269. they have to wait with the release because the 4060 would devour the 4060 ti so that was their only choice to make.
Entertaining idea but that’s some 4D chess conspiracy level shit. So I highly doubt it personally On the $300 at launch opinion: Companies just make subpar products sometimes. Not every pc buyer is as into the newer releases as many of us, not everyone will wanna buy the newest products unless it’s *super* cheap. Cheap GPUs under $200 dominate steam hardware surveys because of that reason. I can see both of these being killer deals in the future and aging well with newer drivers but as of now both could’ve released at their original prices and both would be equally as ignored.
I agree. The only thing that makes sense to me is that Nvidia is trying to keep AMD around. Allowing them to have the mainstream. As long as Nvidia holds onto the 4090 buyers they don't care as long as they as keep getting the AI money. That's the only thing that can describe Nvidia's Incompetence.
Incompetence by the Marketing team is the only other explanation I can think of but that seems even less likely as their Marketing team is very "creative" in presenting data.
@@ImaMac-PC they also do short videos with big capital letter and changing figures on high contrast ratio colors...Nvidia and AMD actual supercomputers and R+D+i pubblications and software tools are in thousands, cash is coming in at Stock Market but they are loosing customers and income (while keeping high margins) with no sense...other than they really are softaware companies focused on designing mainstream hardware to use it (and individual house gaming or solo Commodore/Spectrum developer/artist it's not cool anymore), they are not only becoming AI focused software companies but they are moving to the pay-per-use... go rent a clud PC with a RTX 4080 for 4K60fps streaming at NVIDIA...it costs twice or more the Total Cost of Ownerships of your own machine, software and games even for current AAA games, softaware licensing and outrageous middle to high (and also low) -end PC parts. The Personal Computer is being killed... Server and Terminal (not green symbols in black screens as used to be)...32 threads for a home computer/affordable workstation? Hundreds of PRocessing units and hundred of watts and tenths of Tflops to run a game not more impresive than Nintendo Tegra X1 with less than 1 TFlop Zelda...just think of a proper Pcport for the laughable AMD 680M/780M iGpu of the portable game consoles...OR requirements for low detail in Diablo IV or GTA V or POV shot'm ups...do we really need to render all the CGI of 1994 Jurassic Park at home i real-time at 480Hz?
im in limbo cant be mad nor happy for the release of the rx 7600, only because i bought a 6650xt for 319 usd a few months ago, and the only good thing i can say is someone who decides to buy the rx 7600 will be getting it cheaper but its still a sub par gpu with little to no benefit.
Is it just me or does the CEO of AMD look like the CEO of NVidia in drag? I swear they are either the same person, or twins who are working together in order to ruin the GPU market.
@@hinchlikescake7592 I was making a joke. I didn't actually think they were related. But now that you said that they are, I am going to go confirm that and then be pissed off about it for the rest of the day.
if the 4060ti 16GB launched at 399 MAXIMUM and had a 256 bit bus width then everyone, including me would be okayish with it. it would be able to do 1440p gaming on relatively high settings and its only major complaint would be a very low gen-on-gen uplift over the 3060ti of around 15% but the price and extra vram would make it welcome for people who are still using the ten or twenty series nvidia graphics cards and would be a worthy upgrade..... however with the 128 bit bus width essentially restricting it to 1080p if you want playable frames on high settings, because without "fake frames" using dlss3 and falling back on an L2 cache increase nvidia has been touting that has unfortunately not shown even moderately reasonable improvement in gaming experiences it stands to reason the latency issues you get from using DLSS3, along with the 499 price tag and only 15% performance uplift, make the 4060ti, even the 16GB variant, dead on arrival in my personal opinion the 4060 models should be the 4050's, the 4070's should be the 4060's, the 4080's should also move down a step and there should be a REAL 4080 created to bridge the gap between the newly dropped down 4070 that was the 4080 and the 4090, there is definitely enough space for it in the stack and the prices all need to drop down to be appropriate to the pre crypto miner and scalper prices we saw well before 2017
With 256 bit bus 4060 Ti would be on par with 3070 Ti in terms of performance, which would make it 20-25% faster than 3060 Ti. It would be a great GPU for $499, a true generational leap, especially taking into account doubled VRAM buffer. But then 4060 Ti would make 4070 useless and even 4070 Ti would look bad in comparison. Nvidia either needed to improve all of their current GPUs, starting from 4080 or make 4060 Ti even less appealing to make gamers shift to the higher tier cards. They chose the latter, as they definitely want everyone to spend as much as possible on their products.
yes 128 bit is the 4050 - 3050 type of card. Nvidia just tried to up their tiers to upsell with their marketing bs of "effective bandwidth" and "dlss3" generating more frames... They did the exact thing with 4080 12gb, but had to unlaunch it. But they didn't hear any outcries about the 4060 ti, hence why they got away with launching it. What they did is selling a lower tier card for higher tier price. $1200 used to be a Titan level card tier. but they are selling a 4080 16gb at the price of a 4090 and performance of a 4070. Same with 4060... They are selling a 4050 at the price of a 4070 and calling it a 4060...
@@stangamer1151 doubling the bus width would allow for higher settings even on 1440p without a loss, but i dont think it would cause a significant GAIN. what i mean is imagine the 4060ti is actually operating at, just as an example, 75% of its actual performance potential, only held back by the tiny bus width and if you doubled that buds width it would go up to 100% of its potential, which wouldn't be a true gain, just a lack of restriction, although accomplishing the same thing. i agree though that nvidia wants you to outright buy their highest cards and skip the bottom ones altogether and that's why they are holding the lower ones back so hard. i would bet money they were designing and testing them and tuned everything for the specific performances and said "i think that's enough, they'll accept that" and wrapped it up and pushed it out to market.
@@stangamer1151 you used to get a titan between 1000-1200 and the intention was that it was for enthusiasts, above gamer grade stuff just overpowered for the sake of being overpowered. the problem started when the 1080ti, a couple hundred dollars or more cheaper, which had just 1GB less vram could clock at the same speed or higher than a titan and unlike the titan which would slightly clock back down after awhile, the 1080ti would stay up at peak making it a better card because back then 11GB of vram was still way more than enough. fast forward to now and we have xx90 series cards with ridiculous specs and even more ridiculous prices. you can't touch the cards you need for the newest games without dropping a mortgage payment on them its unreasonable.
RX7600 and RTX4060 are both much slower than the RX6700XT and have 2/3 the Vram, 2/3 the memory bus width, 1/2 the PCI-E lanes. RUN and buy an RT6700XT for $319 right now.
The fact that people still think that AMD and NVIDIA are competitors is mind blowing to me. AMD and NVIDIA has always been more of partners than anything. Every year the same thing "OMG AMD JUST BROKE THE MARKET WHITH THIS NEW GPU WHAT IS NVIDIA GONNA DO NOW" Than NVIDIA comes out with slightly better GPU if not almost the same. These GPU giants are taking your money and you are still a sleep.
7600 needs to be 200 they're charging 79$ more for no good reason 6700 or 6700xt would already be a better card in that price range yeas they're a little expensive but not that much you're already paying 280 anyways
i dont see regulators doing anything other than a small slap on the wrist that amount to nothing. they dont do jack sht about nvidia's anti consumer bs as it is.
It's one thing to release shit cards and save all of your premium silicon for AI tech..... but to release shitty cards and increase the tier price at the same time is nothing more than a slap in the face. These companies would be bankrupt if they tried to compete in any other field, take for instance the TV Marketplace. You ALWAYS get more for less. An obvious lesson reserved for only a select few industries.
Lol Nvidia doesn't care at all they do not fear AMD, no matter what rewviews says no matter the prices, Nvidia will always outsell them. + Authorities doesn't not care about a monopoly in the PC gaming space. Look at Microsoft they have almost a monopoly on the software space, does the authorities did something about that ? No. They doesn't care even about the monopoly of Nvidia in the AI space and that is a lot bigger market than the PC gaming GPUs.
Why would Jensen would want his niece inlaw getting slaughtered, if he needs her to justify his price gauging? Lisa Screw surely and obviously is submissivly following what her uncle inlaw tells her to do. Asian family, you have to do what the older and especially MORE SUCCESSFULL family member tells you to, that´s asian family culture for you.
nvidia is phasing out gpu as a market they are heavily invested in ai / hypercompute gpu servers for cloud gaming, when you understand that, you understand why they make terrible gpu's on purpose, i believe we are seeing some of the last generations of gpus
Okay2 we understand Jayztwocents made a dumb video which was not vetted by Jay himself as he was recovering from surgery. We get it, they made a mistake, Jay has apologized, let's move on.
meanwhile my 6800xt just chilling here doing nothing :D games are shit anyways there is no reason to buy new shiny gpu at all and of course there is just way 2 many people that prefer nvidia cant do nothing about it
AMD means almost nothing in the gpu market, Nvidia has 75%+ of the market. AMD is little more than an afterthought to Nvidia and given the current profitability of workstation graphic cards for AI, SO are gamers.
That's just it. If Jensen wants to see AMD go belly up, then why did he release the 4060 information early? Why did he not wait 7 days? Why do you think he released it earlier?
pc gaming is dead now . If nvidia will left gaming market and move to AI thing their will be no one to make gpus all pc gamers will move to consoles that's. Our future
Just a reality check. Theres no such thing as "raw performance". Its digitally impossible to play modern triple-A titles without some sort of A.I. Upscaling. *90% of the market share is comprised of Nvidia owners.* Your "preference" simply doesn't match the numbers. There's a dissonance going on. Native Res is so non-existent and non-playable that the community invented another word to mask the hypocrisy. *Rasterization.* With this, you can talk performance without Ray tracing, while simultaneously benefiting from almost 2X the performance gains from artificial Intelligence. So here's what's gonna happen in the next 12 months... AMD will release FSR3. When that time comes, all future titles have no choice but to include either Nvidia's or AMD's Frame generation. Next year you will start seeing *these 7600 and 4060 getting 50-60% performance increases* and people will start to get curious. Then Nvidia will tease the 5000 series being so much better than the 4090 when it comes to path tracing. And then the Big tech tubers and commenters alike will start to accept that Frame generation is "performance" like they have done with DLSS QUALITY combined with RT. FG will be part of the benchmark numbers. Since FG adds to VRAM, that will signify the death of 8GB gaming.
@@REgamesplayer When all games uses frame generation, which will happen next year. People will start caring about the double frames and 4060 and 7600 cards will get a "performance increase".
@@jooyichen Frame generation is a feature which game developers have to implement themselves. It fundamentally means that application will be spotty. Why people do not care much about ''performance increase'' at the moment?
@@REgamesplayer Same thing with the history of DLSS. In a community full of people who talk too much, *silence is approval.* You will just have to accept in 12 months.
They released their pricing early to nudge them in the direction of their choosing, plus, it allows them to price fix their products without legal repercussions.
People don’t get that they’re still price fixing. And trust me they’re over the moon about intel’s shitty GPU’s too. Even less scrutiny now.
@@FLCLimaxxx That was a first generation launch. Wait for battlemage. They won't be happy.
The most surprising this about the 7600 to me is its efficiency... Or lack thereof. It performs nearly identically to a 6650 XT and draws nearly the same power. If it wasn't for the spec sheet I would say it looks like it's still running on RDNA 2.
Why is everyone surprised by this?
7600 is using 6nm where as 6650XT used 7nm. That's a very small gap.
@@Raivo_K I honestly completely forgot about the lithography difference. Yes 7nm to 6nm Is a small jump that focuses on density (TSMC doesn't advertise anything about power or performance of N6, so it's probably just about identical to N7).
The problem is stated in the video, AMD advertised RDNA 3 as having 52% more performance per watt than RDNA 2, and we have seen basically none of that in this product.
Even the greatest efficiency leap in the lineup, the 7900 xt has only about 23% more performance per watt than the 6900 xt (according to Hardware Unboxed it has nearly the same power draw, but is 23% faster at 4K). 23% is nice, but a far cry from 52%
It's weird become historically AMD has been really good with their marketing matching their actual product performance, but this generation they have absolutely dropped the ball in that department. I really hope this is a minor blip and not the beginning of a further trend.
It's basically Polaris all over again.
@@devindykstra As Mlid has pointed out , something went wrong with it, so the performance was hinged. It had higher performance in their labs and beta test, but they were getting artifacts and crushes with it, so those 50% claims were correct, but at the prototype stage while the card was having problems, and they thought they could fix those problems by the release date but they didn't, and so they had to slash the performance to get rid of the lower performance that it got. Now we can only hope for the next gen, that they manage to fix the issue on a new node and then it will be a substantial jump gen to gen with RX 8000 series.
@korana6308 That is very interesting. Do you recall which video where you heard that?
Could be, but I don't believe it. Regulators already had a case, if they only bothered to look. Pricing of both companies shows a broken market.
Also the real money is in the midrange, not the top nor the bottom.
NVidia & AMD must react to what gamers expect from the 3 tiers & price accordingly. GPU categories: 1. High-End = Smooth performance at 4K ultra settings, (without needing false frame generation/emulations) in ALL current games.
2. Mid-Range = Smooth performance at 1440p ultra settings (without needing false frame generation/emulations) in ALL current games.
3. Low-end = Anything which can't at least deliver playable 1080p ultra in ALL current games (without needing false frame generation/emulations.)
Technology moves forward; what WAS cutting edge 10 years ago is now outdated rubbish, so as new games come out, if a GPU can't meet the requirements for it for its current category then it moves DOWN a category - even current high-end GPUs will become low-end over time.
By this clear and logical definition any current GPU with 8GB VRAM or less is automatically low end. The artificially high prices, and model numbers, don't change that, and AI emulation/frame generation is not a true substitute for raw performance, so GPU prices should reflect this.
You could potentially have a better graphical gaming experience using a current games console than playing on a low end GPU, so why would anyone pay as much JUST for a GPU as an entire games console portable gaming system?
He is actually helping INTEL. NVIDIA is doing a great job of selling me an ARC GPU.
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Interesting take but it works in reverse too imo, like this. Nvidia hear on the grapevine that the 7600 is launching for $300, Nvidia's own $300 GPU out performs it but isn't ready, so Nvidia releases information on their GPU to show how good it is. AMD gets feedback from the community to say 'this is DOA at $299, drop it to $249', so they meet halfway at $269. Nvidia has just cut 10% of AMD's revenue on this card (and a large chunk of margins I'm sure), overnight without having to change any of their plans, just make 1 slide deck. See works in reverse too doesn't it?
If it was launched at 300 it wouldt sell anyway so no they did not cut 10 % of AMDs revenue.
But if nVidia wants to cut 10% of AMD's revenue, why not release the information on the 4060 one day AFTER the 7600 launches? It would be more hurtful to AMD to release the info one day after. Plus, he would get the buyer feedback on sales at $299.
The 4060 was not going to sell for less than $299. Outside of the 4090, every launch after has been a disaster. Jensen has to save his reputation somehow by having a GPU at the low end that is a "good news" story. Let's not talk about how it is really a 50-series GPU (comparing hardware specs) disguised as a 60-series. Almost all reviewers do not. And remember, he sold the 1060 Founders edition for $299, the 2060 was $349 and the 3060 was $329. Selling this GPU labeled as a 4060 for $299, in his mind, is a good news story.
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@@ImaMac-PC If they released it after AMD wouldn't lower the price in response necessarily, I think this method by Nvidia does maximum damage. I don't think the 4060 will be a good news story, it's too late, we can't as a community accept both a name change and a price increase, we'll do one or the other but not both (I think).
@@conza1989 I would agree with you about maximizing damage if you assume AMD would still be able to sell the same number of RX 7600 GPUs at either $269 or $299. However, if NVIDIA waited, then they get to make AMD look like fools and people would just buy the 4060 instead because it would also have the same performance but have more features...and AMD would sell no RX 7600 gpus. Sure, AMD could drop the price later, but the reviews are already out and the damage is already done. BTW, I totally agree with you that nobody should buy these GPUs. Just buy last gen.
AMD market share is around 40%+ according to sales in EU
Factor in the RNDA2 in consoles and it's about 90%.
Both ceo are family amd and nivda have had a partnership for years can't wait for Intel next Gen cards
There in this together
That graphbis shipment not market share. And the sharp decline is same for nvidia from the graph.
Every Radeon release we hear the same thing: "This year will be AMD's year!"
I've been hearing it for nigh on half a decade now with these RDNA cards. I'm still waiting. They so nearly had me with the 6800 & 6800XT cards but the prices were too high, as if they didn't WANT people buying them.
Meh below 350 its the amd market. T
The last good card amd had was rx580
@@nuffsaid7759 you forget i sit on 2 5700xt i got on sale and oc it peforms like a the 6700xt almsot beat the 3060 it´s oc to hell yes but still one of the best cards amd have done if you grabbed them 2018 on sale its like 5 years now
you are correct on that
It doesnt matter if it is 270$, we pay more money here in india 340$ (28k₹)
I don't want weak cards for free.
I don't want to overpay for strong cards.
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Honestly I'll take a couple of weak cards for free, not that I need them but I'll take them.
I wonder how the RTX 4060ti will compare to the RTX 4060. I wonder if Nvidia will shame itself with an RTX 4050? That would actually be a 4040 or 4030? Maybe if it was a 75W and had short PCI height versions, it could be 'ok' for a niche audience?
I predict that the rtx 4050 will come with 6GB of VRAM. The rtx 4060 is coming with 8GB of VRAM. If the rtx 4050 comes out with 6GB of VRAM then its also dead on arrival and the rtx 3050 looks far more appealing since it has 8GB of VRAM.
@@BladeCrew It might even underpeform the RTX 3050
@@IdeasAreBulletproof I could, lets just see what they bring out. Im curious and want to see what the price is going to be, I also saw they reduced the price of rtx 3050 to 220 dollars. If the 4050 comes out the large stock of 3050 could be priced at 160-180 dollars.
I showed in my last video the 4060 will not do good at all. It will fall short of the 3060 ti...The 4060's real name is a 4050. Sad times for everyone but 90-series GPU buyers.
1 thing for sure is the tdp is going to be absolutely insane on both the 4060, and 4050. 1 thing Nvidia has nailed this gen is power efficiency.
Honestly, it's not enough of a price drop, it loses by a large margin to the 6700 and 6700XT which has more VRAM and is only nominally more expensive. It barely outpaces the 6650XT which is selling cheaper. It doesn't really have any meaningful new feature set to set it apart from the previous gen. Basically it's DOA regardless because AMD gimped the GPU too hard.
Good point. They already have their own last gen GPUs that are better value (price & peformance).
Amd need to get some samsung 8nm for low end gpus which should be cheaper than 6nm and good enough as we saw with rtx3000
I think they were trying to maximize profits by releasing their GPU higher than they know it should be, because they expect [smaller] reviewers and early adopters to buy it anyway. Then, it would have drifted lower in price over time to pickup sales.
2:25. AMD what happened. I'll tell you! the 7600 is on a enhanced 7nm process. It should have been on 5nm if AMD wanted more performance per watt
NVidia don't want to destroy amd that why you are correct on that point
nice video
Thanks!
no ones been talking about the amd price drop? i wish i had your internet!
people make it sound like amd are big in the gpu market
Quite clearly a $300 launch of AMD RX 7600 would have been utterly trashed by reviewers. However I also think that had nVidia got away with it then the pricing of the RX 7600 would have been $300. Raising the question that nVidia are throwing a lifeline to Radeon is interesting. What consumers really need are two more manufacturers to shake up the market, both for GPU and CPU. Something that can demonstarte an independence of competition and provide confidence that the consumer isn't being played by the only two manufacturers, that will at least know what the other is up to, even if they haven't any direct plan to co-operate in the market. It all meshes too closely for my liking as it stands.
agree ore soon all are gonna go back to kindegarden and buy ps5 with the prices on hardware the console start to atract alot of people not only kids now days and why not 120 hz hdmi and higher with displayport
Or they want people to hold on to their dollars to by the 4060, since it is their most popular range of cards, and not buy RDNA2?
2:24 AMD happened: +54% bs
Jensen: Lisa, what progress you will make with the RDNA 3?
Lisa: 50% with higher tiers, 30% with middle ones, and maybe 10% with the lowest tier
Jensen: FKKK Lisa this is terrible! I have more than a 70% uplift here on the table!
Lisa: Yeah I know... we blew it. Architecture is not ready, drivers are not ready, chiplets design is not ready, FSR 3 is not ready... total mess.
Jensen: OK, I will put the wrong cards into the wrong boxes so this way I will make more money! 10% lowest tier, 30% middle tier, 50% higher tier but I won't hold back my top tier to be clear.
Lisa: OK, we have a deal.
Jensen: But please, get to work there because it's pathetic. I'm gonna look stupid with a 4050 inside the 4060 box.
Lisa: Yes yes... we will try. Just don't make them too expensive so maybe people won't notice and we will follow you with pricing as always.
Jensen: ......
That is hilarious! 😂😂😂.
@@ImaMac-PC If you want to see something "hilarious" then maybe you would like to make a video about this:
4060 in reality is a cut down 4050 GA107/OEM
3050 - 107 die, 21.4% of full die cores, 200mm², 128-bit bus, 8GB GD6, PCIe4 x8 - $200?
4060 - 107 die, 16.7% of full die cores, 190mm², 128-bit bus, 8GB GD6, PCIe4 x8 - $300
Laptop 4060 - 32MB L2 vs Desktop 4060 - 24MB L2
4060ti in reality is the 4050
_3050_ - 106 die, 23.8% of full die cores, 276mm², 128-bit bus, 8GB GD6, PCIe4 x8 - $250
4060ti - 106 die, 23.6% of full die cores, 190mm², 128-bit bus, 8GB GD6, PCIe4 x8 - $400
Where is the 4060 you will ask? Inside the 4070 box
3060 - 104 die, 33.3% of full die cores, 276mm², 192-bit bus, 12GB GD6, PCIe4 x16 - $330
4070 - 104 die, 31.9% of full die cores, 295mm², 192-bit bus, 12GB GD6X, PCIe4 x16 - $600
If you will look closer you will see that this whole series is a scam and the lower the tier the scam is bigger.
To be honest, 7600 at 269USD has not much better position over its old 299USD price.
AFAIK AMD intended to sell this one as 7600xt, but realizing its performance or probably too much benchmarking care by reviewers, they called it non XT.
I guess the reason was to make it looking good getting some performance uplift over RX6600, although RX6600 has cut N23 die while 7600 using full Navi33 die with specs similar to full N23 used at RX6600XT/6650XT.
Transfer of chip from 7nm to 6nm allowed for better efficiency and density, but no performance uplift, thats given by nodes differences, but AMD could make it smaller chip, just 0,5Gbps faster memory and slap there some AI, which is popular. 20perc more transistors wasted more or less. Oh, done cache tweaks made on 7600 too.
RX 6600 is around 180USD, 6600xt some 220USD, these 2 AMD own gpus make 7600 not great value as long as these won't completely sell out.
You made nice analysis with fresh idea, completely fitting to AMD and Nvidia strategies and strengths.
Thank you. You nailed it with the naming. That's exactly what they did. That was a big red flag before we saw before the performance was revealed. The best thing that could happen for the RX 7600 is to have the 6600 & 6600xt completely sell out!
@@ImaMac-PC My guess AMD did it for purely production cost savings. The die is smaller 204 vs 237mm, I think they would not go for design/engineering costs if they had not already TSMC offer of same or even lower cost of 6nm over 7nm.
Definitely not a boredom product.
Now they have to grow up and sell it below the price tag of RX6600. so less than 180 bucks.
Come on, AMD!
Here I am wrong. I forgot they are using 6nm already for 7900xt/xtx for mem and I/O part of MCM. So 7600 N33 is probably fitting outer area of wafers, right? Then it was whole order matter, they could ask bigger quantity of wafers, having transfer whole Rdna3 to newer nodes.
Even then, update.. N33 dies are 204 so inside wafers and if they mix it, then N31 parts are around, being some 60mm sq.
85% of people have nvidia and 12% of people have amd and 3% of people have intel
it makes sense from a business perspective to leak the 4060 data. Im pretty sure that he wanted to show potential buyers that they will get a nvidia alternative for the 7600 for the same price but with nvidia features so they hold on buying the 7600 before the release of the 4060. little did they know that the 7600 would be bad on its own. the 4060 just needs to be mediocre at the price of 299 and it will sell miles better than the equivalent amd gpu at 269. they have to wait with the release because the 4060 would devour the 4060 ti so that was their only choice to make.
Entertaining idea but that’s some 4D chess conspiracy level shit. So I highly doubt it personally
On the $300 at launch opinion:
Companies just make subpar products sometimes. Not every pc buyer is as into the newer releases as many of us, not everyone will wanna buy the newest products unless it’s *super* cheap. Cheap GPUs under $200 dominate steam hardware surveys because of that reason. I can see both of these being killer deals in the future and aging well with newer drivers but as of now both could’ve released at their original prices and both would be equally as ignored.
Makes sense too me. Someone needs to help AMD. 🤣
I agree. The only thing that makes sense to me is that Nvidia is trying to keep AMD around. Allowing them to have the mainstream. As long as Nvidia holds onto the 4090 buyers they don't care as long as they as keep getting the AI money. That's the only thing that can describe Nvidia's Incompetence.
Incompetence by the Marketing team is the only other explanation I can think of but that seems even less likely as their Marketing team is very "creative" in presenting data.
@@ImaMac-PC they also do short videos with big capital letter and changing figures on high contrast ratio colors...Nvidia and AMD actual supercomputers and R+D+i pubblications and software tools are in thousands, cash is coming in at Stock Market but they are loosing customers and income (while keeping high margins) with no sense...other than they really are softaware companies focused on designing mainstream hardware to use it (and individual house gaming or solo Commodore/Spectrum developer/artist it's not cool anymore), they are not only becoming AI focused software companies but they are moving to the pay-per-use... go rent a clud PC with a RTX 4080 for 4K60fps streaming at NVIDIA...it costs twice or more the Total Cost of Ownerships of your own machine, software and games even for current AAA games, softaware licensing and outrageous middle to high (and also low) -end PC parts. The Personal Computer is being killed... Server and Terminal (not green symbols in black screens as used to be)...32 threads for a home computer/affordable workstation? Hundreds of PRocessing units and hundred of watts and tenths of Tflops to run a game not more impresive than Nintendo Tegra X1 with less than 1 TFlop Zelda...just think of a proper Pcport for the laughable AMD 680M/780M iGpu of the portable game consoles...OR requirements for low detail in Diablo IV or GTA V or POV shot'm ups...do we really need to render all the CGI of 1994 Jurassic Park at home i real-time at 480Hz?
im in limbo cant be mad nor happy for the release of the rx 7600, only because i bought a 6650xt for 319 usd a few months ago, and the only good thing i can say is someone who decides to buy the rx 7600 will be getting it cheaper but its still a sub par gpu with little to no benefit.
Is it just me or does the CEO of AMD look like the CEO of NVidia in drag?
I swear they are either the same person, or twins who are working together in order to ruin the GPU market.
I never saw them both together. You may be on to something.
Bro.. takes 1 min to Google. Anyways, they are related. Lisu Su (of AMD) is the niece of Jensen Huang.
@@hinchlikescake7592 I was making a joke. I didn't actually think they were related. But now that you said that they are, I am going to go confirm that and then be pissed off about it for the rest of the day.
if the 4060ti 16GB launched at 399 MAXIMUM and had a 256 bit bus width then everyone, including me would be okayish with it. it would be able to do 1440p gaming on relatively high settings and its only major complaint would be a very low gen-on-gen uplift over the 3060ti of around 15% but the price and extra vram would make it welcome for people who are still using the ten or twenty series nvidia graphics cards and would be a worthy upgrade.....
however with the 128 bit bus width essentially restricting it to 1080p if you want playable frames on high settings, because without "fake frames" using dlss3 and falling back on an L2 cache increase nvidia has been touting that has unfortunately not shown even moderately reasonable improvement in gaming experiences it stands to reason the latency issues you get from using DLSS3, along with the 499 price tag and only 15% performance uplift, make the 4060ti, even the 16GB variant, dead on arrival
in my personal opinion the 4060 models should be the 4050's, the 4070's should be the 4060's, the 4080's should also move down a step and there should be a REAL 4080 created to bridge the gap between the newly dropped down 4070 that was the 4080 and the 4090, there is definitely enough space for it in the stack and the prices all need to drop down to be appropriate to the pre crypto miner and scalper prices we saw well before 2017
With 256 bit bus 4060 Ti would be on par with 3070 Ti in terms of performance, which would make it 20-25% faster than 3060 Ti. It would be a great GPU for $499, a true generational leap, especially taking into account doubled VRAM buffer. But then 4060 Ti would make 4070 useless and even 4070 Ti would look bad in comparison.
Nvidia either needed to improve all of their current GPUs, starting from 4080 or make 4060 Ti even less appealing to make gamers shift to the higher tier cards. They chose the latter, as they definitely want everyone to spend as much as possible on their products.
yes 128 bit is the 4050 - 3050 type of card. Nvidia just tried to up their tiers to upsell with their marketing bs of "effective bandwidth" and "dlss3" generating more frames... They did the exact thing with 4080 12gb, but had to unlaunch it. But they didn't hear any outcries about the 4060 ti, hence why they got away with launching it.
What they did is selling a lower tier card for higher tier price.
$1200 used to be a Titan level card tier. but they are selling a 4080 16gb at the price of a 4090 and performance of a 4070.
Same with 4060... They are selling a 4050 at the price of a 4070 and calling it a 4060...
@@stangamer1151 doubling the bus width would allow for higher settings even on 1440p without a loss, but i dont think it would cause a significant GAIN. what i mean is imagine the 4060ti is actually operating at, just as an example, 75% of its actual performance potential, only held back by the tiny bus width and if you doubled that buds width it would go up to 100% of its potential, which wouldn't be a true gain, just a lack of restriction, although accomplishing the same thing.
i agree though that nvidia wants you to outright buy their highest cards and skip the bottom ones altogether and that's why they are holding the lower ones back so hard. i would bet money they were designing and testing them and tuned everything for the specific performances and said "i think that's enough, they'll accept that" and wrapped it up and pushed it out to market.
@@stangamer1151 you used to get a titan between 1000-1200 and the intention was that it was for enthusiasts, above gamer grade stuff just overpowered for the sake of being overpowered. the problem started when the 1080ti, a couple hundred dollars or more cheaper, which had just 1GB less vram could clock at the same speed or higher than a titan and unlike the titan which would slightly clock back down after awhile, the 1080ti would stay up at peak making it a better card because back then 11GB of vram was still way more than enough.
fast forward to now and we have xx90 series cards with ridiculous specs and even more ridiculous prices. you can't touch the cards you need for the newest games without dropping a mortgage payment on them its unreasonable.
RX7600 and RTX4060 are both much slower than the RX6700XT and have 2/3 the Vram, 2/3 the memory bus width, 1/2 the PCI-E lanes. RUN and buy an RT6700XT for $319 right now.
You're right. More VRAM (12GB vs 8GB) and Higher Bandwidth (384GB/s vs 288GB/s) makes the 6700 XT the easy choice!
They other reason is Intel.
The fact that people still think that AMD and NVIDIA are competitors is mind blowing to me. AMD and NVIDIA has always been more of partners than anything. Every year the same thing "OMG AMD JUST BROKE THE MARKET WHITH THIS NEW GPU WHAT IS NVIDIA GONNA DO NOW" Than NVIDIA comes out with slightly better GPU if not almost the same. These GPU giants are taking your money and you are still a sleep.
7600 needs to be 200 they're charging 79$ more for no good reason 6700 or 6700xt would already be a better card in that price range yeas they're a little expensive but not that much you're already paying 280 anyways
Yes! Only at that price would be it compelling.
Jensen trying to keep Intel at bay.
i dont see regulators doing anything other than a small slap on the wrist that amount to nothing. they dont do jack sht about nvidia's anti consumer bs as it is.
It's one thing to release shit cards and save all of your premium silicon for AI tech..... but to release shitty cards and increase the tier price at the same time is nothing more than a slap in the face. These companies would be bankrupt if they tried to compete in any other field, take for instance the TV Marketplace. You ALWAYS get more for less. An obvious lesson reserved for only a select few industries.
it isent normal wats happening! i say to you both ar the same ! they working togeter
oligopoly ?
Lol Nvidia doesn't care at all they do not fear AMD, no matter what rewviews says no matter the prices, Nvidia will always outsell them.
+ Authorities doesn't not care about a monopoly in the PC gaming space.
Look at Microsoft they have almost a monopoly on the software space, does the authorities did something about that ? No.
They doesn't care even about the monopoly of Nvidia in the AI space and that is a lot bigger market than the PC gaming GPUs.
Why would Jensen would want his niece inlaw getting slaughtered, if he needs her to justify his price gauging? Lisa Screw surely and obviously is submissivly following what her uncle inlaw tells her to do. Asian family, you have to do what the older and especially MORE SUCCESSFULL family member tells you to, that´s asian family culture for you.
jAYZ2CENTS is so lame
7600 is a dummy to sell more gpus that are above and under....
nvidia is phasing out gpu as a market they are heavily invested in ai / hypercompute gpu servers for cloud gaming, when you understand that, you understand why they make terrible gpu's on purpose, i believe we are seeing some of the last generations of gpus
Okay2 we understand Jayztwocents made a dumb video which was not vetted by Jay himself as he was recovering from surgery. We get it, they made a mistake, Jay has apologized, let's move on.
I hope Jay apologizes to Phil.
sorry when are you going to wake up AMD and nvidia are the same company - Jensen having drinks with Lisa su for years and years
AI generated voice? why
meanwhile my 6800xt just chilling here doing nothing :D games are shit anyways there is no reason to buy new shiny gpu at all and of course there is just way 2 many people that prefer nvidia cant do nothing about it
Amd don't need a life line, they can just lower they gpu prices and they sale like cakes. Amd gpu cost much less to produce than Nvidia gpus.
how cheap can it get they going run out of business if they continuously do that
I think its collusion, it seems blatantly obvious IMO.. only an idiot would by this gen of amd cards lol..
bro, 4060ti is worst gpu release in my memory.
worst gpu release in memory is the 1030 ddr4 version.
AMD means almost nothing in the gpu market, Nvidia has 75%+ of the market. AMD is little more than an afterthought to Nvidia and given the current profitability of workstation graphic cards for AI, SO are gamers.
Bull shit theory sorry. Jensen will like to see AMD go belly up so he can buy the AMD in penny on dollar.
That's just it. If Jensen wants to see AMD go belly up, then why did he release the 4060 information early? Why did he not wait 7 days? Why do you think he released it earlier?
pc gaming is dead now . If nvidia will left gaming market and move to AI thing their will be no one to make gpus all pc gamers will move to consoles that's. Our future
A console and arent the same you cant emulate whit console
Just a reality check. Theres no such thing as "raw performance".
Its digitally impossible to play modern triple-A titles without some sort of A.I. Upscaling.
*90% of the market share is comprised of Nvidia owners.* Your "preference" simply doesn't match the numbers. There's a dissonance going on.
Native Res is so non-existent and non-playable that the community invented another word to mask the hypocrisy. *Rasterization.*
With this, you can talk performance without Ray tracing, while simultaneously benefiting from almost 2X the performance gains from artificial Intelligence.
So here's what's gonna happen in the next 12 months...
AMD will release FSR3. When that time comes, all future titles have no choice but to include either Nvidia's or AMD's Frame generation.
Next year you will start seeing *these 7600 and 4060 getting 50-60% performance increases* and people will start to get curious.
Then Nvidia will tease the 5000 series being so much better than the 4090 when it comes to path tracing.
And then the Big tech tubers and commenters alike will start to accept that Frame generation is "performance" like they have done with DLSS QUALITY combined with RT.
FG will be part of the benchmark numbers. Since FG adds to VRAM, that will signify the death of 8GB gaming.
What? Are you doing a bit?
@@REgamesplayer When all games uses frame generation, which will happen next year. People will start caring about the double frames and 4060 and 7600 cards will get a "performance increase".
@@jooyichen Frame generation is a feature which game developers have to implement themselves. It fundamentally means that application will be spotty.
Why people do not care much about ''performance increase'' at the moment?
heres another reality check fg does not increase performance , it just smoothes out frames more
@@REgamesplayer Same thing with the history of DLSS. In a community full of people who talk too much, *silence is approval.* You will just have to accept in 12 months.