How does the Overclock perform in Games?
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
- Last time the 7900 XT showed the potential to be overclocked close to an RTX 4080 in performance. This time we'll take a look at how it does in gaming. Is the 7900 XT the best value 4K gaming GPU? How should you think about this GPU in comparison to the RTX 4070 Ti?
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The RTX 4080 only gets about 64 FPS at 4k in raster. 62.4 FPS on the RX 7900 XT is pretty close.
you can overclock the 4080
@@mitsuhh Um... what's your argument, you think I don't know that? The point of this video is to see if he could get close to a stock RTX 4080 that cost ~$400 more. Not how much you could push a RTX 4080.
It's only fair to overclock both if you're overclocking the 7900XT@@DarkSTKx
@@mitsuhhit’s only fair if the price is the same 🤦🏿♂️
@mitsuhh then they should be selling at the same price instead of 30% more expensive.
I really like your videos. They are interesting and dissect performance and market position. Thanks for doing these, I hope your channel grows.
Thank you!
Daily Reminder that you can also overclock a 4080 and achieve similar gains percentage-wise..... I have a 4090 (AD102) and it can reach 3 GHz at 1.1V, as and example, AD103 can also scale similarly
Well of course you can. Main idea behind this series was to test how much you close the gap between 2 cards while paying couple hundred bucks less. Nvidia cards are good, maybe even great, However they are really overpriced. I think it was demonstrated well here.
Cool information…I haven’t seen a lot of coverage about how Ampere scales when overclocked. What does the power draw look like?
@noservice3241 Thank you. You captured my response perfectly 🙂
Been waiting for the second part to this series! Pretty interesting findings, I didn’t realize how much of an improvement AMD made with the RT performance. I went with a 4080 this gen mostly because of the power efficiency. My case is SFF and being able to fit that level of performance into 9.5L is amazing. I can power limit the 4080 and pull somewhere around 280W and still compete with AMD’s best in the 7900XTX. I also managed to get the FE second hand for $1050 so it was pretty much a no brainer.
AMD didnt make any increase in RT performance. As a percentage of GPU hit with RT on, its exactly the same as the previous gen. TechpowerUp has the numbers. No idea why tech reviewers were babbling on about it being better.
That's not a bad price for the Founders Edition. Plus, the FE just feels really solid to hold, they really did a nice job putting that thing together. For a SFF, that is a great solution. Putting the XTX in that case would run much warmer.
@TheLinkedList Not sure what numbers you are reading but when I go over to TechPowerUp's review the reference GPU, they show the combined percentage for all the ray tracing benchmarks of the 7900 XT is 35% faster than a 6900 XT at 4K resolution.
@@ImaMac-PC Look at the percentage decrease in performance with RT on. For example a 7900 XT in a Plague Tale Requiem at 1080P, the drop in FPS is 41%. For a 6900 XT the drop in FPS is 43%. The relative performance drop for RT is the same generation to generation. In other words, AMD have not improved RT performance. Just overall performance.
If you reduced the overall performance of a 7900 XT to match that of a 6900 XT and the two ran at the same FPS (with no RT), you would find that by turning on RT they would continue to be neck on neck in FPS.
good report for channel inventory price perf and value assessment. mb
Thanks Mike!
I'm not sure how much of the "fine wine" aging these cards will have, though there has been some differences with the latest drivers. They certainly made up a lot of ground in RT, but still behind and I have little need for RT. Maybe next gen as the game devs start to implement RT in better ways, especially if we can move to Path Tracing (then watch as nVidia rebrand their cards to PTX, so the masses think they developed it). Unfortunately I think the AI boom will still be skewing the market and GPUs will be tweaked for the AI market. I'd love to hear your thoughts on that. Looking forward to your comparisons between RDNA 2 & 3. I think I'll be waiting a while with my RX6800XT before an upgrade though as I would want better options for a 4k monitor too.
Thanks for the comment. That 6800xt will be fine until next gen. The AI boom and RDNA3 is confusing. AMD supposedly created two paths for their GPUs back in 2019. RDNA focused on gaming and CDNA focused on compute. So I am not sure if the impressive gains in compute vs not as impressive gains in games was a calculated move or more of an "Oops" moment i.e., they improved compute and didn't fully understand the impact to gaming. And will the RDNA lineup continue with focused improvements on compute in the future to help AMD ride the "AI Train"?
I bought my rx 7900 xt sapphire pulse for £700 with a free copy of Starfield a few months ago and so far I've managed to oc the clock to 3000mhz and the memory to 2714mhz. So the clock runs between 2850mhz and up to 2950mhz and the memory stays at 2700mhz with the power limit set to +15% and an undervolt of -100mv.
I've got a similar oc but -75mv, +15%, 2714 mem 2400 min 3000 max but my card runs at 2700-2800mhz at around 74c.
You can easily oc the 7900xt to base xtx level but the xtx appears to not have much headroom not nearly as the xt with significantly lower power draw and temps at default
Hi! Love your video! I've been thinking between 4070ti and 7900XT and went with the AMD card, because of basically bigger raw numbers i.e. VRAM, bus and such. Might replace my 5600x with 5800x3d maybe. So, uh, go team red! :)
Also, I might be wrong here, but AFAIK 7900XT is compared to 4070ti because it's marketed as it's competitor, and 4080's marketed competitor is 7900XTX. Also, even though OCing is kinda sorta incouraged by AMD, at it's stock performance 7900XT is closer to 4070ti, so i presume that's the reason people making exactley that kind of comparison, no?
P.S. sorry for bad english :)
Thank you. Yes, the performance is closer to the 4070ti in many games. However, the hardware specs and performance in some games suggest it should be closer to the 4080. And it is. But not often enough.
Hi, found your channel via the RDNA2/3 performance/fps per watt video, which was really good.
if you revisit performance per watt, could you do a game capped at 60fps / vsync (and with cards/settings that it can reach) so that you don't have the issue of performance "past" the sweet spot? (obviously this depends, but this way you have a defined target to reach, say Medium 1080p60 in a game with a built in benchmark. I like Returnal but CP2077 is kinda the standard)
(it will require more W than typical still presumably because the game will still try to hit 60fps 0.0000001% lows lol, I have some testing on my "channel")
also applicable to CPU fps per watt.
also I wish there was a single fan RTX 4070 idk why there were 200W single fan 1080/2070/3060Ti(only like 2) but no 4070. And there was a "mini" 1080Ti too, 250W.
(also this doesnt even take into account undervolting / optimized voltage curves, seems like you can get at least 25% lower GPU power draw easily)
also most people don't really care for efficiency, but I think Performance/$/W should be a more commonly used metric.
Obviously most people aren't willing to simply pay for efficiency (4060Ti reduces power by 25% e.g.) so maybe it could be weighted differently, but considering node shrinks/density/efficiency is what computing/semi kinda is, I think it's important. Also very relevant for laptops/ITX/handhelds.
socpk laptopgpucurve is so useful for laptop GPU performance in that sense (all the 40 series curves are simply paying for efficiency until you cross 100W with the 4080L and 4090L)
Thank You!
No problem
Would love to see you do similar OCing on the 7800 xt hellhound and compare it to a 4070!
7800XT is already winning :P
Well not in raytracing.. Curious how to performs with an OC @@adi6293
how much did u get that 7900xt open box? There was one on my fb marketplace going for $600 but I just got a great deal on a evga 3080 ti for $500 with a year still on the warranty , and ill pass until 7900xtx is in the 700's or 4080s in a year or more. Most of the games I play are old and no amount of eyecandy is going to get me to fork over $1,200 for a gpu when theres less than a dozen AAA games that are worth it.
It was $600. I hated to return it but I don't have time to deal with intermittant issues and an RMA. Guess I'll just keep on with my 3090 for now.
In 2013 a friend an me bought two similar notebooks. The only difference were the gpus. He tool a gpu with 2GB VRAM and I Wenn with a 4GB model.
In the first 2 years everything was fine.
2015 at the release of The Witcher 3 everything changed. He had 15 FPS and I got 35 FPS. I can play some newer games in 2023.
.... so guys pls stop buying 4070ti...and safe your 7900XT or 7900XTX you guys will say thanks to me in 3 - 5 years.
--Owner of a 1080ti since 2017--
I play a on 1440p ultrawide, I just got the 7900 XT Speedster Merc BE and OC the Clocks to 3000Mhz and VRam to 2800 Mhz. Its been holding very stable. Also have a undervolt of 1.040. I think it gets on par with the 4080 stock in just raster performance and I don't bother with ray tracing. worth the upgrade over my old rtx 3080. would recommend this gpu and have'nt had any issues with amd drivers yet but ive only had it for 2 days now haha.
Hey ! Any news on that ? Planning to buy a new pc but i don't want to spend more than 800€ on a gpu when the next gen is comming soon
Why test using rt?
Anyone here know how much extra fps i can get OCing a 4090?
Two years in and Cyberpunk continues to be the one game where people point to the raytracing being worth the performance hit. Sometimes the juice just ain't worth the squeeze.
Resolution and dynamic range are much more important to visual quality in photos, videos, print, and in monitors. In the Forespoken Demo I was able to pick up much more detail with HDR than I could with RT. In fact, with HDR enabled I saw no benefit at all to RT.
its a mediocre game though
I used to think so too but then I played the game fully Path Traced with Ray Reconstruction on a 4090. It's so much better and rather astonishing that it plays as well as it does. It's definitely not perfect and there are many compromises you have to make in order to get respectable frames but the juice is worth the squeeze, imo. 13900K/4090 4K DLSS Quality, Ray Reconstruction, and Frame Generation on gets me a consistent 90+fps. The game is actually very immersive and fun to play. I've had the game for a couple of years. Tried playing on my 3080ti but never got into it. Now, with new patch/DLC and 4090 performance, the game is very much worth playing.
It's also the game that tanks the tanks the 4090 to sub 60fps with RT at 4k.
is this channel dead? i loved his content
My System ryzen 7700x and rx 7900xt Nitro+ (420watt) and 3,335ghz gpu clock and vram oc 2700mhz stable with 1050mv uv timespy score 30680pts gpu and 13600pts cpu im on place 9 at 3dmark. Awesome gpu and faster then the normal xtx !
For me it was hard to choose between 4070 Ti and 7900 XT, but I decided to go with Nvidia, since my previous card was also RTX and I loved DLSS and DLDSR features. AMD's FSR does not look as good as DLSS and they do not offer any alternative to DLDSR.
7900 XT is definitely a better 4K card, but even this one often requires the use of upscaling tech in modern games. And with the use of upscaling the difference between these cards shrinks and those additional GBs of VRAM makes less sence as well.
P. S. Overclocking GPUs usually provides the most impressive results at higher resolutions. My OCed 4070 Ti gain roughly ~10% more fps across a wide range of games (without any meaningful increase in power draw or temperatures). But in this case the gain is more even, probably because this card gains most of the performance improvement due to increased memory bandwidth.
I agree with your point on upscaling. As the GPU ages and you go to lower resolutions, DLSS is better.
what cpu are you using, and is it OC'd and mem tuned? and BTW #fireLisaSu, lied to gamers while positioning for AI/compute, but marketed like she had lighting in a bottle.
Get a 3x8 pin Rx 7900 XT and you get even closer to the 4080 rasterization performance! but at that point a 3x8 pin 7900 xt is like a Pulse or Reference model 7900 XTX
Having 3 8-pin power connectors vs 2 doesn't make any power draw benefit, it just makes the power draw safer bc the power issplit between 3 psu connectors. You're just guaranteeing that your setup is not a fire hazard it's still the same power draw (well below the xtx).
Just so you know TechPowerUp isn't the most accurate, as they only test the cards on release day and never check again which leaves rankings all messed up a year down the line. The RX 6700 on their site for example is slower then the RX 6650 according to them, since the RX 6650 released after it and had better drivers yet they put it in their database anyways.
Another example is how poorly rated the RX 5700 XT is which notoriously launched with issues but its actually much faster than the cards its inaccurately put behind still.
I agree TechPowerUp isn't perfect but they do a pretty good job of getting the GPU relationships roughly correct. I don't know of a better system. I did check the 6700 XT and TechPowerUp is showing today its relative performance is 14% faster than the 6650 XT. Maybe the site is more dynamic than I know. BTW, my RX 5700 XT was great, but I got mine several months after launch on a holiday sale so I didn't experience as many issues as some.
@@ImaMac-PC I said the RX 6700 (the non-XT version)
If you type in "RX 6700 TechPowerUp" then click on it, it will show as a few % slower than the RX 6650 XT. Their benchmarks are accurate day 1 but we all know AMD cards get better with time so it's a pretty glaring issue
Also I'm a RX 5700 XT owner too. Its faster than the GTX 1080 Ti now by a comfortable margin but it shows as being a lot slower still on their site
I bought a used 3090 for the price of 4070 instead. The market is different here.
Very Nice. The 3090 is a better GPU, especially at higher resolutions.
9:59 RDNA3 Tflops claims on AMD site has changed recently to "FP32 Tflops" to "Peak FP32 Tflops", almost a year to tell truth that those 51.5Tflops may be 25.75 but usually they are starting to being effectively used more and more... but manual optimizing and assembly compiler code need to be performed... who knows if at driver level or shader compiler level can it all be optimiezed and see the up to 2x in some tasks... at computing it shows being faster than RDNA 2 and CDNA2 in some tasks... and if you do the maths in 7700/7800 XT it works at least better than 7600/7900 had showed in previous months... if you compare with 5:43 (Port Roral Points not being proportional to FP32 Tflops for sure) it's like raw power (whatever it is) is well above the RDNA2 like (half the claimed value) but still well under the claimed figure (how much more room for improvements? because this is not HT or similar but the ability to make 2 equal operations to two numbers at once... you can stablish the non linear curve of raw power by stepping in know intervals max clcok which will relate to max number of Operations per Second than can be done (latencies, conditionals, etc. and lots of intereference still but aproximate enough...), the custom Instructions Per Cycle in Port Royal Test units...
The 7900 XT has been the same card since the beginning. AMD puts the stock voltage too high. It is then necessary to undervolt it to get the best performance. Last December I had a TSE score of over 15000. December 21, 2022 was my best Port Royal score of 16345 number 16 on the list of 7900 XTs. Whatever fps Out of the Box came up with I had roughly 10 more FPS like in FH5 which is one game that drivers did improve. I haven't retested it.
Kind of strange that you state that the 7900XT is a "4k GPU" and the 4070ti is a "1440p GPU" and then display benchmarks that show they're only 3% apart. Honestly it kind of makes the first half of the video where you're comparing memory bandwidth to ring hollow since they're so close regardless of that bandwidth.
Performance! what about image quality and you can oc 4080 too
I got a 7800xt red devil cuse 7900xt is too expensive and i game on 1440p and i didn't get the 6800xt cuse the 7800xt is a bit better have av1 and the most important thing it's a Oc beast you can get up to 15% but I'll say 13% avg more Performance and you should make video about that and thanks for these benchmarks videos
The 7800xt is the right choice. The sales on the 7900xt seem to have gone away for now.
I would get the XTX instead of the 4080 for less money...
Be AMD. Abandon compute-oriented Vega due to lacking real-world performance in Vega 64 vs. GTX 1080/1080 Ti. Creates RDNA for a gaming-oriented architecture and modified Vega for CDNA for enterprise compute. This generation, AMD turns RDNA III into a compute monster on paper, and the power hungry RX 7900 XTX competes against the RTX 4080. AMD gave up on compute for gamers and scrambles back to compute for AI. What?
I ended up skipping the XT and found an XTX for 800 bucks. Couldn't be happier.
That is a fantastic price for the second fastest GPU on the planet!
@@ImaMac-PC Yeah, open box. Thank God there was a MIcrocenter near me.
well the 4070 ti should of had more vram and bern cheaper
i dint know if this is a channel made to bash AMD or not but all I can say is that fir my 1at build im thinking about getting a 660xt paired with a 5600x CPU ( a REALLY BASIC BITCH BUILD LOL) but if I happen to find a 6800xt for a good price...then i'll get that .
and im willing to buy stock in amd just at the entry price of whatever its worth.
European AMD 7900 XT well above 1000€....🤨
That is sad. How much more for the XTX?
only overclocking is useless at games!
curve optimizing and undervolting and fans settings is more worth then overclocking,
in some games you can get 0-5fps more is it woth for 10-30% more wattagecost and a hotter gpu
SO Why are you Comparing AMD Cards with RAY Tracing??? That would be like comparing Dodge and Ferrari. If you want to use RT, then you Buy Nvidia, period. Just like if you want or Need Ferrari speeds, you buy Ferrari not Dodge. I would like to see a Blind comparison with regular gamers, and See if they can tell the difference in the Mid end cards from AMD or Nvidia. When you can see the test result it is easy to say if one is better or equal, But what if the gamer didn't know what was in the PC, would they be in tears because their gaming sucks??? Or would they be saying I'm not playing anymore because my game pixels aren't as bright as what I remember??? The brand card I am use to can't be in this PC, What's Going on here?
Ray tracing is a difficult comparison since not everyone perceives ray tracing the same and the implementation in the game can make provide a minor visual upgrade to some while other would say it's a major upgrade. AMD is one generation behind. Don't know if they'll ever catch up. But maybe they'll be good enough for some on a budget.
One more evidence that AMD is not your friend and just a company for profit. Best for servers and AI and what is left goes to gamers.
You only buy AMD because of prices, nothing else. Started with Ryzen.
Well said!
Oooooo didnt even think about ai is why amd gpus suck