I really hope eventually your channel gets to the level it deserves Sir, you put such a great and dedicated energy into your content and the information is better than you can get literally ANYWHERE else.
@@richardholdener1727 Good afternoon Mr. Holdener. I hope you are having a great day. Quick question for you. On your personal opinion what's is the best brand for the plastic Intake MANIFOLD for the 4.6L 2V? Is going on a stock 05 Grand Marquis. Thank you in advance and if you have part number for it. It would be awesome too. Excellent channel!!! Thank you for your dedication to it.
Stock PI intakes are the best intake for most mild 2Vs making under 500w. Eddy for the big power 2Vs. The other benefit for the PI in real world driving is the lack of heat soak. Nitrous on stock PI manifolds is fine, just don’t spray over 150 and don’t spray under 4000rpm. Good video. I was pleasantly surprised at how the bullitt did. I thought it would have gained more than it did up too even on the mild cam.
If you can raise the compression they can hit ls territory. Their hp per liter is plenty with just a cam and bolt on. If only the 2v was like 5.5 liters or so
Insane! Im kinda sad for the bullitt intake😪 i hoped more of it! Could you plz richard add the bullitt intake in you 2nd video? Or is it to late? I also would like to see it shine with a more wild combo ported pi ‘s big cam with a good c/r 🤓🤩. Ty so much for this test !
This video pretty much answers what ive been wondering about plenum volume. But what id love to know, if the smaller plenum could be deemed restrictive at higher rpm would increased capacity of just the plenum offer a boost in overall output or only at the torque peaks?
Amen brother, me too.. The 4v n LS guys just don't get it, funk them..lol My completely stock 2v in my 09 P71 made 222whp on a Mustang dyno, not too many ppl were happy to hear that n thought i was lying or modded..lol
I have a cheap cost effective option on my NPI 2v. It uses a PI manifold from a 2011 crown vic and a V10 Triton dual 57mm Throttle body and 2 phenolic adapter plates to mount the two together. It looks like a composite plastic copy of a Bullitt.
@@yeanah2571 Yes sir! The v10 shares the same Twin blade tb as the 4.6L 4v Cobras and the plenum/elbow has all the same vacuum ports and even shares the tps, and iac valve. The only thing you have to delete is egr. The plenum is ultimately going to be used with my Victor Jr intake manifold as a cost effective option for a 6061 sheetmetal plenum but I ran it on my pi intake swapped 1996 gt. It replaced a 04 crown vic plenum that I ported to 75mm on the inlet and turned into glorified tinfoil, ran with an aviator 70mm throttle body. Both run very good and better than stock but the dual blade plenum is more noticeable past 4000rpms. Pretty cheap mod for power gains when done with a pi intake swap but money is probably better spent in gearing especially on a big Vic!
I would like to see one of those old overhead cam Ford 302 or Chevy 350 conversions that will be very cool? And would be very cool to see a 427 sohc Test😜 Back in like 1984 I could have got my hands on one for $12,000! Was cool looking back that i got To fondle one on an engine stand...that is a big motor.
Try a intake from a 2009 up F150 truck they look just like the mustang/crown vic intake but the runners underneath the intake are lot longer. They go twice depth down in valley as car intake
not if you get one dirt cheap at a junkyard and pair it with a cold air intake etc. It can gain 15+whp in some apps with a later bigger throttle body on an older mustang
My 98 gt 4.6... put a bbk cold air kit on.. Hypertech tune..Plugs..injectors..pump..Ford PH2464 F.E. Performance intake..h pipe..flo mo super 40s...Engine flew to pieces.. Timing chain broke..Pushed the crankshaft snout out of the engine and the balancer .Hit the ground and I ran over it..Ugh..junk
Hmm, wonder if that truck intake will fit under the hood of a town car or Crown Vic? Seems the low end torque boost would be helpful in such heavy cars.
Interesting stuff Richard. I would like to build a 2v 4.6 and stay n/a. The 6.2 boss engine seems like a 4.6 stroker with a 4” bore. I’ve been obsessed with the 6.2 ever since I bought a totalled off raptor
C.M. ……………….that engine is a sleeper , cylinder heads like a boss 429, semi hemi flow in the 300 hundreds, good bottom end and cubic inches , and good bore space !!!
Toyota actually use that divider in the manifold as well on their v6s in Camry and solara v6's there was nothing really amazing about that engine except for that one little manifold unless you got the very rare TRD supercharger for it which it was weird if I remember right there was actually no special tuning for it though although I think some people ran the 7th injectors setup commonly used on good Tacoma superchargers back then it's been so long I just can't remember but it was pretty interesting and super rare
Need to get your hands on the Ford Performance FR500 Intake Manifold. The only issue with that one is the cost of it being everywhere from 3k to 10k. The bullet Manifold also adds 40lbs to the top of your engine meanwhile the PI doesnt. However, You have to Port the Bullet manifold and have much bigger Cams and Ported PI Heads, forged internals, and boost to truly take advantage of that manifold.
The Bullitt had different exhaust, intake manifold, throttle body and pulleys and depending on sources was only rated 5-15 HP more than the GT. It's not too surprising that the intake alone didn't produce a huge gain. I just pulled my Bullitt's motor for a rebuild. I got some ARH long tubes and x-pipe and I'm planning on TFS heads and cams. Oh, and I might sacrifice a complete Cobra engine to Build it on a Teksid block with a forged crank. Haha
@tigerlock.... Nope since they moved the intake valve it changed valve timing events..... In order to fix that a cam needs to be machined for it. Any P.I. Head cam will retard the cam timing events. Cost anywhere from 15 to 40 hp depending on combo. I saw this issue day one in my head. I worked in a performance machine shop and was astounded nobody caught this issue. What's worse is i never said anything and a year or two after the heads released people started figuring it out. I was like duh...
We all wanna see it. If for no other reason than to see it kaboom. I just wanna see one making 1000hp. The trick is gonna be spinning it fast enough and then the crank shaft potentially being unstable, or cam bearings problems.. I'm hoping. Big time. I think one in an f150 street truck would be hilarious
My next project will be using ported P.I. Heads so I’ll be looking forward to that next video. They’ll be on a higher compression non P.I. Short block.
That PI manifold had a really sharp torque peak and then dip. Was that the plenum divider opening? I have a similar set up on my 16 power wagon 6.4 . It hits 4500rpm and you can feel that plenum flapper open.
@@richardholdener1727 Time for an updated test. The 2v world is hotter now than it was 10+ years ago. Hell I will loan you a Vic Jr to test and two junkyard HX35's if you want to do a big bang 2v :)
Non PI's 96 and up stock for stock actually have a higher peak flow stock for stock but as mentioned are limited by the non PI intake. You have to machine out the swirl dams on the PI's to get them to outflow them peak, so I think this is fair.
@@timothybayliss6680 PI cams work fine. They're .505 I believe. They aren't really high rpm cams anyway. With OHC you don't need all the spring tension in the world at higher rpm.
Hey Richard! Just reaching out because I’ve been watching your videos lately and have seen you do a lot with the ford 4.6 2v. I have a 09 f150 4.6 2v and was trying to see if you could lead me in any direction to get performance stuff for it. Hard to find anything for this truck. For sure lacking power in this engine but it lasts! Looking to get some more pep in it. Have kept up with maintenance since the day I got it. Thanks In advance. Really need some help
Pi heads arent all that. 90% of the improvements from the full pi swap comes from the intake manifold and cams. The rest of the gains are primarily the bump in compression which if matched, the npi will produce similar HP. The PI heads really dont flow much better than a NPI and both are pretty lethargic. When you consider the PI has 13cc larger intake ports (159cc vs 146cc) that average only around 10cfm greater flow across the low-mid lift range and actually less high lift and peak flow (160cfm @.550 for pi, 175cfm @.550 for NPI), it looks less appealing. You also have to realize, the npi head has a single angle valve job vs 3 angle with a PI head and you start really seeing the issue. A matched valve job will produce greater average and peak flow numbers out of a NPI than a stock pi head despite smaller ports which means the head has better port velocity. The guys who actually know how to port npi's like Renegade got similar flow numbers to MPH PI's but do so with swirl dams in place making a far more efficient combustion chamber vs the pi head which is already detonation prone due to the plug inserts you have to run on almost every casting. Non PI's benefit from thicker decks, deeper combustion chambers that allow huge ptv compared to a pi, and even use the same pi valve spring just installed at a shorter height which allows for more valve control at a cost of max lift before coil bind. You can fit cams with such a tight ICL in a Npi that would bend valves on any pi combo regardless of degreeing and that is more conducive for power production. Johnny Langton went 12.98 @103 in a 3700lb thunderbird on renegade ported NPI heads, stock shortblock at 9.3:1 compression, stock pi camshafts, stock pi intake manifold, while running through a 4r70w automatic. Thats stock coyote territory for a *lot* less money.
@@danielcooper3130 He ended up going a lot faster. He later ran a shelf comp 270 cam and stayed na with the auto trans. He went a best of 12.16 @ 111 still at full 3700lb weight with subs in the trunk and full interior. Imagine his drivetrain in a 2900lb fox or 3100lb sn95.
Good evening Sir, I hope you are doing well…. I am a mechanic from California working on a 99 F150 with a 4.6 2V Romeo. Engine is bad, customer supplied me with a 2012 built brand new crate 4.6 2V / PI motor. Referencing your video; will the truck intake manifold ( that might be an NPI ) fit the new PI engine? If not, what are my options? Thank you
Question ? Your 4.62V test engine using NPI heads ported for PI intakes with coolant passage welded using comp cam springs ? You said you are using the comp cams XE262AH cams ? these have .550 lift ? I was under the assumption that the NPI mustang heads are limited to .530 lift and either need the spring seats surfaced or special retainers and locks ? could you clarify that neither of these were done and that the PI version of the comp cams work in the NPI heads ? was trying to locate a spring seat cutter and pilot to resurface NPI spring seats for the PI aftermarket cams on ported NPI heads but everyone steers me to bridgeport tools ? I am trying to get s seat cutter that is identical to the seat dimensions because these valve guide seals also have a metal spring seat to keep the springs from searing into the aluminum head ? if the cutter is not perfect the valve guide seal will not sit correctly and the spring sits on the valve guide seal. would you need to machine the top of the guide and run a seal directly on the guide and use a metal washer under the springs to protect the heads ?
@@richardholdener1727 yes aware you need upgraded springs but they say the NPI heads cannot run .550 cams without spring pockets machined or custom retainers that add clearance so there is no coil bind ? most likely if you did not have the spring seats machined you got the special retainers and locks with the springs ? the probably just told you you needed them and did not explain why ?
They say the best engine that Ford haves is the 4.6. I have one in my truck that haves 271,089 that still quiet an runs good. Still want that Coyote 5.0 in a truck.🤷♂️
I know its near impossible and the general idea is the same.....which works best. That being said all tests are always on a motor that has cams cylinder heads or some other major modifications completed. If you just have a 2v and you need a intake which actually flows best? Which one would be worth the $$$ that question is never answered beyond it flows up top ...which is the description of the product provided by Ford Racing. No idea what it would actually do to the motor that it was designed for. Other than that.
I would say stick with the truck intake. The plastic PI intakes still have issues with coolant leaks and unless you're revving your trucks out to redline consistently you're probably better off sticking with the metal torquier truck intake
@@randolphniles2332 i didnt know svo had an intake manifold for the 2v. I would like to see what the lighting intake manifold no blower does even with out the intercooler. Almost everyone with a turbo lightning just keeps that turkey pan. When i go mid mount turbo I plan on removing the intercooler for a rear mounted one and seeing if i can have a runner turn down and then back up to make it a long runner for torque. Theres alot of room in there
@@jamesgeorge6551 its hard to just pick one engine anymore. Ive seen two 3v's in the 300k miles with just waterpump, alternator and one had the chain tensioner done because of the noise it was making being loose. Then ive seen LS go out under 100k. The ecotech piston recall at 10k and then 10k after that 🤣 almost every fiat chrysler ugly step child i wont even look at when im huge cuda and Fury/440(the car and engine). the first 2.0 dart engine i took apart and seen theres a oil transfer brick because someone forgot both sides of the head need oil i lost faith🤣
@@niknasstie Yep. The owner controls how the engine is maintained. I've also seen "good" engines, well maintained, die early too. My shop maintained an expedited shipper G1500 GMC with a 4.3, that had 2 water pumps, and the lower plenum gasket replaced, it had 776,000 on it. It was getting its 3rd 4L60E rebuilt. I used to drive a Volvo 740 Turbo wagon that had 441,000 when I sold it. My neighbors 04 Tundra had 377,000 when it got totaled.
Your 4.6 engine seems like it makes way more power than a stock 4.6PI 2v engine. I can't believe just porting heads and a cam can make almost an extra 100 hp?
@@Prestiged_peck Depending on the model, the Trickflow has a larger cross sectional area then a pi manifold but the runner length makes them more suited to 5k+ rpms. I believe the Tfs, vic jr, and Riechard are among the few that exceed 200cfm per runner. Obviously that level of flow isnt needed below 5k rpms.
@@Prestiged_peck 350ft/lbs through the curve with only 281 cubes and 9.3:1 compression is by no means a slouch at low rpms. This combo only turns some 6k rpms and makes enough power to run 11s in a sn95, fox, or new edge chassis.
@@richardholdener1727 I put the replacement alum x on my 01. After a year of not driving it much after buying a 99 cobra It started leaking at one of the factory bolts and leaked into the front sparkplug well. Now the sparkplug has rusted to the point it won't come out. I don't know how long this went on because it was a minor leak but I'm afraid this leaked on to the Piston. Have you heard of anything like this before ?
Good luck finding a 4.7 in the scrap yard... at least one that runs. Its the reason most end up in the yard in the first place. At least thats what i have came across
you do a lot of back to back tests on 4.6L 2V parts ... need someone to settle an argument over the Ford performance PI intake? people keep saying it is a revised PI intake and they remove their 1999-2004 PI intakes and place these on for improved power ? I been telling them they are the same intake as the mustang PI intake except different part number and packaging to sell to NPI owners and mustang PI owners that do not know any better ? and on the same line of reasoning the 2005 and up crown victoria and mercury grand marquis 4.6L 2v engines with the PI intake ? other then only one sensor mounting hole in the front crossover instead of 2 and a different part number it should also be the same ? do not know why they put the other sensor in the driverside head but drilling and tapping a hole for the 2nd sensor is quite easy they already have a flat pad. And if for some reason this entire topic never came up before ? might you throw together a dyno run comparisson because been searching the net and cant find anyone that has done this back to back on these 3 intakes ? and to be clear its mustang PI frod motorsport PI and crown vic PI and who knows maybe the grand marquis uses another one as well ?
@@richardholdener1727 exactly my point but it would be a subject that would have come up a lot and im sure a lot of people would view the test in order to get the real scoop on fact or fiction because a lot of your viewers know you and acknowledge your testing procedures to be accurate. and unlike engine masters which I also love to watch you do not take every other breath to plug wilson intakes :) you are in it for the data learned. plus it is easy to swap out and crown vicoria intakes are $20 a pop and you have mustang PI intakes lying around and Im sure someone will lend you a ford performance intake if not donate one for the cause.
Glad someone did this test would be really cool to see more 2 valve
I really hope eventually your channel gets to the level it deserves Sir, you put such a great and dedicated energy into your content and the information is better than you can get literally ANYWHERE else.
I appreciate that!
@@richardholdener1727 Good afternoon Mr. Holdener. I hope you are having a great day. Quick question for you. On your personal opinion what's is the best brand for the plastic Intake MANIFOLD for the 4.6L 2V? Is going on a stock 05 Grand Marquis. Thank you in advance and if you have part number for it. It would be awesome too. Excellent channel!!! Thank you for your dedication to it.
Trick Flow has developed a new "canted valve head" for the 4.6 . Be great to see how it works here too
Cant wait for part 2!
2Vs for Life😁
I hope we can see trickflow twisted wedge heads in a video. Richard talked about it in a live stream on how good they are once.
Was looking into those with cams 👀
Watch modular head shops video on trick flow heads and why there pi cans dont "work" with them
@@cainadkins3985 he hasn't done a vidio in a very long time . Is he still in business? Loved watching his videos.
Good job explaining the difference in all of em ...as usual...keep em coming Richard
You're the man Richard! We ask and a day later you provide!
Love these videos. Always something new and interesting. Keep it up Richard
Awesome video as always Richard!
Stock PI intakes are the best intake for most mild 2Vs making under 500w. Eddy for the big power 2Vs. The other benefit for the PI in real world driving is the lack of heat soak. Nitrous on stock PI manifolds is fine, just don’t spray over 150 and don’t spray under 4000rpm. Good video. I was pleasantly surprised at how the bullitt did. I thought it would have gained more than it did up too even on the mild cam.
Nice work Richard
I dig the 4.6 2V and 3V. Always gotta root for the underdog.
If you can raise the compression they can hit ls territory. Their hp per liter is plenty with just a cam and bolt on. If only the 2v was like 5.5 liters or so
Back in the day everyone wanted a bull it intake. Especially with centri guys.
Awesome video
Thanks for posting all vids answers a lot question which would be impossible for the average Joe.peace
No worries!
I love your videos do some more 5.4 3v and 4.6 3v 😁😁😁😁😁🙏🙏🙏
Woot woot!!!! So exited!!!!!
Insane! Im kinda sad for the bullitt intake😪 i hoped more of it! Could you plz richard add the bullitt intake in you 2nd video? Or is it to late? I also would like to see it shine with a more wild combo ported pi ‘s big cam with a good c/r 🤓🤩. Ty so much for this test !
This video pretty much answers what ive been wondering about plenum volume.
But what id love to know, if the smaller plenum could be deemed restrictive at higher rpm would increased capacity of just the plenum offer a boost in overall output or only at the torque peaks?
Love the 2v!!!!!!!
Amen brother, me too.. The 4v n LS guys just don't get it, funk them..lol My completely stock 2v in my 09 P71 made 222whp on a Mustang dyno, not too many ppl were happy to hear that n thought i was lying or modded..lol
I have a cheap cost effective option on my NPI 2v. It uses a PI manifold from a 2011 crown vic and a V10 Triton dual 57mm Throttle body and 2 phenolic adapter plates to mount the two together. It looks like a composite plastic copy of a Bullitt.
Interesting. Just bought an 03 Crown Vic a few days ago, didn't know some of this stuff was an option. Didn't know the 6.8 had a big TB like that
@@yeanah2571 Yes sir! The v10 shares the same Twin blade tb as the 4.6L 4v Cobras and the plenum/elbow has all the same vacuum ports and even shares the tps, and iac valve. The only thing you have to delete is egr. The plenum is ultimately going to be used with my Victor Jr intake manifold as a cost effective option for a 6061 sheetmetal plenum but I ran it on my pi intake swapped 1996 gt. It replaced a 04 crown vic plenum that I ported to 75mm on the inlet and turned into glorified tinfoil, ran with an aviator 70mm throttle body. Both run very good and better than stock but the dual blade plenum is more noticeable past 4000rpms. Pretty cheap mod for power gains when done with a pi intake swap but money is probably better spent in gearing especially on a big Vic!
@@madmod what vehicle did you put this on?
@@benignocepeda7720 I had it on a 96 Mustang Gt with a Pi intake, then a Victor Jr intake.
I would like to see one of those old overhead cam Ford 302 or Chevy 350 conversions that will be very cool? And would be very cool to see a 427 sohc Test😜 Back in like 1984 I could have got my hands on one for $12,000! Was cool looking back that i got To fondle one on an engine stand...that is a big motor.
Cool video and thanks for taking the time for testing but stock pi engine intake test would be really cool between stock and the Bullitt intake.
if you have a stock pi motor-keep the stock pi intake
Would love to try and put one of these on an expedition. Could use the power when I hit the desert
So glad you're getting around to testing these intakes, many thanks 🙂.
Now maybe the TFS 2valve heads and whether they need specific cams or not 😄
they do not-I already spoke to the designer (many times)
czcams.com/video/PJYT-mELogI/video.html Jordan does a good video on TFS heads and TFS cams. And the differences than PI heads and camd.
You mentioned in your book an extrude hone bullitt intake with a jt trim, any gains from porting?
Finally found a video with the truck manifold ! Have you done any videos with tfs 2v heads ?
I have two mustang GT a 04 and a 14 5.0h natural aspiration modifying the 5.0h is the best bang for the money
Try a intake from a 2009 up F150 truck they look just like the mustang/crown vic intake but the runners underneath the intake are lot longer. They go twice depth down in valley as car intake
Can you review the brand new Ford Performance intake for the pi motors, they just came out yesterday July 29th 2024
What I learned is unless you build your motor changing the intake is pointless.
Good to know 😎👍
not if you get one dirt cheap at a junkyard and pair it with a cold air intake etc. It can gain 15+whp in some apps with a later bigger throttle body on an older mustang
My 98 gt 4.6... put a bbk cold air kit on..
Hypertech tune..Plugs..injectors..pump..Ford PH2464
F.E. Performance intake..h pipe..flo mo super 40s...Engine flew to pieces.. Timing chain broke..Pushed the crankshaft snout out of the engine and the balancer .Hit the ground and I ran over it..Ugh..junk
Jesus my brother wanted the aluminum ford racing manifold to 🤣
I wanna see the dorman myth adressed with an p.I intake. Factory vs replacment
Hmm, wonder if that truck intake will fit under the hood of a town car or Crown Vic? Seems the low end torque boost would be helpful in such heavy cars.
have you seen any difference
Interesting stuff Richard. I would like to build a 2v 4.6 and stay n/a. The 6.2 boss engine seems like a 4.6 stroker with a 4” bore. I’ve been obsessed with the 6.2 ever since I bought a totalled off raptor
C.M. ……………….that engine is a sleeper , cylinder heads like a boss 429, semi hemi flow in the 300 hundreds, good bottom end and cubic inches , and good bore space !!!
The 6.2 Boss is a diamond in the rough. Check out the video of the 460ci 6.2 Ford. It's pretty damn impressive!
Toyota actually use that divider in the manifold as well on their v6s in Camry and solara v6's there was nothing really amazing about that engine except for that one little manifold unless you got the very rare TRD supercharger for it which it was weird if I remember right there was actually no special tuning for it though although I think some people ran the 7th injectors setup commonly used on good Tacoma superchargers back then it's been so long I just can't remember but it was pretty interesting and super rare
Need to get your hands on the Ford Performance FR500 Intake Manifold. The only issue with that one is the cost of it being everywhere from 3k to 10k. The bullet Manifold also adds 40lbs to the top of your engine meanwhile the PI doesnt. However, You have to Port the Bullet manifold and have much bigger Cams and Ported PI Heads, forged internals, and boost to truly take advantage of that manifold.
I just sold my FR500 intake-but that is for a 4V
Cool 😎!
The Bullitt had different exhaust, intake manifold, throttle body and pulleys and depending on sources was only rated 5-15 HP more than the GT. It's not too surprising that the intake alone didn't produce a huge gain.
I just pulled my Bullitt's motor for a rebuild. I got some ARH long tubes and x-pipe and I'm planning on TFS heads and cams.
Oh, and I might sacrifice a complete Cobra engine to Build it on a Teksid block with a forged crank. Haha
get the matching cams for those heads, more power..
I'll get the cams from Modular Head Shop, since Trick Flow's cams are designed for a PI head and not their own head.
@@A.J.1656 what, as far as i know TrickFlow makes those cams specific for their head, heck, Comp Cams told me themselves..lol
@tigerlock.... Nope since they moved the intake valve it changed valve timing events..... In order to fix that a cam needs to be machined for it. Any P.I. Head cam will retard the cam timing events. Cost anywhere from 15 to 40 hp depending on combo. I saw this issue day one in my head. I worked in a performance machine shop and was astounded nobody caught this issue. What's worse is i never said anything and a year or two after the heads released people started figuring it out. I was like duh...
Time to show the 2V 6.8 some attention...the big bang kind 💥💥💥
We all wanna see it. If for no other reason than to see it kaboom. I just wanna see one making 1000hp. The trick is gonna be spinning it fast enough and then the crank shaft potentially being unstable, or cam bearings problems.. I'm hoping. Big time. I think one in an f150 street truck would be hilarious
@@PureCountryof91 I want a single cab flare side manual v10 f150 so bad lol
@@sategllib2191 t56 then a 6.8 with manual PCM, tuned, and custom exhaust.
My next project will be using ported P.I. Heads so I’ll be looking forward to that next video. They’ll be on a higher compression non P.I. Short block.
Id like to do this as well and just a small cam upgrade
My plan lol medium sized cam and a garret turbo from a 6.0 powerstroke
I have a Stock 2000 MGM with single exhaust. Have you ever tested manifolds on a "Truly Non Pi" Motor like mine? Thanks, Steve.
Right on
So where did you find the aluminum pi truck manifold
I wanna see a cold vs hot spark plug test
Yes!!!
What’s the part number for that truck intake manifold? I have a 2003 mustang GT!
Would love to see stock pi vs victor jr
I own a 03 mustang gt and i really need all the info ,ty
So bullitt intake dont worth the money .. unless im planing to boost or go all out 12:1 cr 7500rpm with my ported pi’s and big cam.. ????
Typhoon intake manifold and edelbrock intake
I have the professional intake manifold on my pi 2v
Another great video.
Still patiently waiting for AMC 360, with boost.
That PI manifold had a really sharp torque peak and then dip. Was that the plenum divider opening? I have a similar set up on my 16 power wagon 6.4 . It hits 4500rpm and you can feel that plenum flapper open.
PI does not have dual plenum-only the truck
Pleaaaase a 5.4 2V test! Or high comp 5.4 4V
The 4V is already a 9.5:1 motor, you could probably extract another 8-10% going crazy high comp on race gas but some boost is probably more practical.
Need to add the Vic Jr. its only the most used intake on fast 2v's.....killing me Richard!
THIS WAS DONE BEFORE THAT INTAKE EXISTED
@@richardholdener1727 Time for an updated test. The 2v world is hotter now than it was 10+ years ago. Hell I will loan you a Vic Jr to test and two junkyard HX35's if you want to do a big bang 2v :)
Non PI's 96 and up stock for stock actually have a higher peak flow stock for stock but as mentioned are limited by the non PI intake. You have to machine out the swirl dams on the PI's to get them to outflow them peak, so I think this is fair.
I thought nonpi heads also came with a different spring pack that required some serious work to get more than .500 lift.
@@timothybayliss6680 PI cams work fine. They're .505 I believe. They aren't really high rpm cams anyway. With OHC you don't need all the spring tension in the world at higher rpm.
what about the trick flow 2v intake?
I have the P51 on my F1-A 4.6 2V. Made 720whp with a medium pulley.
Very healthy and usable power
How much boost?
18psi
Where does that p51 peak rpm wise? My ported svo peaks around 6100
Hey Richard! Just reaching out because I’ve been watching your videos lately and have seen you do a lot with the ford 4.6 2v. I have a 09 f150 4.6 2v and was trying to see if you could lead me in any direction to get performance stuff for it. Hard to find anything for this truck. For sure lacking power in this engine but it lasts! Looking to get some more pep in it. Have kept up with maintenance since the day I got it. Thanks In advance. Really need some help
COMP FOR CAMS, LOTS OF GUYS PORT THE HEADS
Make 2 valves great again!
Richard do you think if you get the aluminum bottom half of the planum it'll be an advantage or disadvantage..
it won't change anything if it is the same design
Have you or can you do intake and throttlebody setups on the 4.6 dohc?
the 4v intake test is up
I love the test.. just wish it were done on a real PI headed shortblock.. beggars cant be choosers though :-D
Pi heads arent all that. 90% of the improvements from the full pi swap comes from the intake manifold and cams. The rest of the gains are primarily the bump in compression which if matched, the npi will produce similar HP. The PI heads really dont flow much better than a NPI and both are pretty lethargic. When you consider the PI has 13cc larger intake ports (159cc vs 146cc) that average only around 10cfm greater flow across the low-mid lift range and actually less high lift and peak flow (160cfm @.550 for pi, 175cfm @.550 for NPI), it looks less appealing. You also have to realize, the npi head has a single angle valve job vs 3 angle with a PI head and you start really seeing the issue. A matched valve job will produce greater average and peak flow numbers out of a NPI than a stock pi head despite smaller ports which means the head has better port velocity. The guys who actually know how to port npi's like Renegade got similar flow numbers to MPH PI's but do so with swirl dams in place making a far more efficient combustion chamber vs the pi head which is already detonation prone due to the plug inserts you have to run on almost every casting. Non PI's benefit from thicker decks, deeper combustion chambers that allow huge ptv compared to a pi, and even use the same pi valve spring just installed at a shorter height which allows for more valve control at a cost of max lift before coil bind. You can fit cams with such a tight ICL in a Npi that would bend valves on any pi combo regardless of degreeing and that is more conducive for power production. Johnny Langton went 12.98 @103 in a 3700lb thunderbird on renegade ported NPI heads, stock shortblock at 9.3:1 compression, stock pi camshafts, stock pi intake manifold, while running through a 4r70w automatic. Thats stock coyote territory for a *lot* less money.
@@madmod thats fast for a v8 non intech/cobra v8 bird..gona have to look into renegade porting
@@danielcooper3130 He ended up going a lot faster. He later ran a shelf comp 270 cam and stayed na with the auto trans. He went a best of 12.16 @ 111 still at full 3700lb weight with subs in the trunk and full interior. Imagine his drivetrain in a 2900lb fox or 3100lb sn95.
i was hopeing to see a professional products typhoon intake test too.
hard to find. I would like one. the only aftermarket you can find is the single plane edel.
@@xxxmikeyjock what are you saying? Theres plenty of those? Typhoon / trick flow / vic jr are easy to find... bullitt isnt!
The 4.6 2v truck motor has heads with larger intake ports and closed chamber heads
Really? I always thought the truck and the car engines were basically the same, minus the intake of course.
@@TheVenom8343 no I have a 98 crown vic and its got small ports i got a 98 and 99 f150 base model 2wd they both base large ports
@@adamturner2507 yes 98 is non pi 99 is pi all 99+ 4.6 2vs are the same only difference is intake
Good evening Sir, I hope you are doing well….
I am a mechanic from California working on a 99 F150 with a 4.6 2V Romeo.
Engine is bad, customer supplied me with a 2012 built brand new crate 4.6 2V / PI motor.
Referencing your video; will the truck intake manifold ( that might be an NPI ) fit the new PI engine?
If not, what are my options?
Thank you
NPI intake won't fit PI heads, just use PI Intake
Why would you do a non pi that just runingsbthe video for me, since I’m a pi engine
even with porting did the non-pi heads compare to a stock pi head?
yes
That hard U turn before the throttle body on the Bullitt intake looks terrible for flow.
Finally
where is part 2 ???
What about the GT40
Personally I blame squirrels
CAT eats them
You mentioned a part 2 to this video and I can not find it.
I DON'T THINK IT IS UP
Question ? Your 4.62V test engine using NPI heads ported for PI intakes with coolant passage welded using comp cam springs ? You said you are using the comp cams XE262AH cams ? these have .550 lift ? I was under the assumption that the NPI mustang heads are limited to .530 lift and either need the spring seats surfaced or special retainers and locks ? could you clarify that neither of these were done and that the PI version of the comp cams work in the NPI heads ? was trying to locate a spring seat cutter and pilot to resurface NPI spring seats for the PI aftermarket cams on ported NPI heads but everyone steers me to bridgeport tools ? I am trying to get s seat cutter that is identical to the seat dimensions because these valve guide seals also have a metal spring seat to keep the springs from searing into the aluminum head ? if the cutter is not perfect the valve guide seal will not sit correctly and the spring sits on the valve guide seal. would you need to machine the top of the guide and run a seal directly on the guide and use a metal washer under the springs to protect the heads ?
we installed new springs
@@richardholdener1727 yes aware you need upgraded springs but they say the NPI heads cannot run .550 cams without spring pockets machined or custom retainers that add clearance so there is no coil bind ? most likely if you did not have the spring seats machined you got the special retainers and locks with the springs ? the probably just told you you needed them and did not explain why ?
Crower Offset retainers to run PI aftermarket comp cams in NPI heads if spring pockets are not machined
They say the best engine that Ford haves is the 4.6. I have one in my truck that haves 271,089 that still quiet an runs good. Still want that Coyote 5.0 in a truck.🤷♂️
What would be a good set of cams for a 2000 truck 4.6, 3200 stall 4.10 gears?
262 or 274
@@richardholdener1727 thanks
Any comparison with the Vic Jr
HAVE NOT RUN THAT
That looks like a dorman intake. Stock intakes have been proven to make a significant amount more power than the dorman piece.
Its not. Dormans look dramatically different.
Do they even make the P-51 intakes any more I can't source one any where
I DON'T THINK SO
I know its near impossible and the general idea is the same.....which works best. That being said all tests are always on a motor that has cams cylinder heads or some other major modifications completed. If you just have a 2v and you need a intake which actually flows best? Which one would be worth the $$$ that question is never answered beyond it flows up top ...which is the description of the product provided by Ford Racing. No idea what it would actually do to the motor that it was designed for. Other than that.
do not run the ford racing intake on a stock motor-use the pi intake
What is the firing order on a 4.6 2v sohc 97 model
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Can the truck manifold be ran on a car and utilize the open close function?
not sure about harness provision and ecu
@@richardholdener1727 so probably a tuned truck ecu
These are obviously flywheel HP and TQ numbers correct?
Yeah on the engine dyno, usually with no accessories either
"PI" is Performance Improved?
CAn you talk more about the truck manifold? I have a 2000 f150 and I dont think I have ever gotten it above 3000 rpm. Charles
Me too. My head gasket went so I was thinking of upgrading but I don’t want to lose torque or power down low. I only use it as a truck.
I would say stick with the truck intake. The plastic PI intakes still have issues with coolant leaks and unless you're revving your trucks out to redline consistently you're probably better off sticking with the metal torquier truck intake
@@LargeMuscularTitties Thanks! That’s good to know.
Is the truck intake a stock intake? If so for what years?
the truck intake was a stock intake
The plastic intakes are better because nitrous backfires
Uh? Because they can explodes like a frag?
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@@lloydholt6511 when the nitrous backfires you’d rather have a cheap plastic intake shatter than a $1000 ( ? ) metal one.
@@BustedWalletGarage you think the aluminium one’S will shatter?
@@teal_2v338 I’ve seen a GT-40 intake explode on nitrous. Really sucked because they haven’t made that intake in over 20 years.
4.6/5.4 2v big bang!
Don't see a svo intake for the test
@@randolphniles2332 i didnt know svo had an intake manifold for the 2v. I would like to see what the lighting intake manifold no blower does even with out the intercooler. Almost everyone with a turbo lightning just keeps that turkey pan. When i go mid mount turbo I plan on removing the intercooler for a rear mounted one and seeing if i can have a runner turn down and then back up to make it a long runner for torque. Theres alot of room in there
The 5.4 3V is Jasper's biggest selling reman engine because they go bang *without* going big.
@@jamesgeorge6551 its hard to just pick one engine anymore. Ive seen two 3v's in the 300k miles with just waterpump, alternator and one had the chain tensioner done because of the noise it was making being loose. Then ive seen LS go out under 100k. The ecotech piston recall at 10k and then 10k after that 🤣 almost every fiat chrysler ugly step child i wont even look at when im huge cuda and Fury/440(the car and engine). the first 2.0 dart engine i took apart and seen theres a oil transfer brick because someone forgot both sides of the head need oil i lost faith🤣
@@niknasstie Yep. The owner controls how the engine is maintained. I've also seen "good" engines, well maintained, die early too. My shop maintained an expedited shipper G1500 GMC with a 4.3, that had 2 water pumps, and the lower plenum gasket replaced, it had 776,000 on it. It was getting its 3rd 4L60E rebuilt. I used to drive a Volvo 740 Turbo wagon that had 441,000 when I sold it. My neighbors 04 Tundra had 377,000 when it got totaled.
Isn't the bullit manifold only for 4v?
This Bullet was 2V
Your 4.6 engine seems like it makes way more power than a stock 4.6PI 2v engine.
I can't believe just porting heads and a cam can make almost an extra 100 hp?
IT DOESN'T-YOU CAN'T COMPARE TO THE FACTORY RATING
be curious to see the 2004 Econoline 5.4 manifold, it has a lower plenum design .
where can I get a manifold for a v10 --3 vakve
stock ones on line
I'd like too see the typoon professional products intake
Stock plastic Pi > pro products unless its ported. Ive seen power losses going to the aluminum with the acception to ported intakes.
@@madmod the trickflow intakes make power.
@@Prestiged_peck Depending on the model, the Trickflow has a larger cross sectional area then a pi manifold but the runner length makes them more suited to 5k+ rpms. I believe the Tfs, vic jr, and Riechard are among the few that exceed 200cfm per runner. Obviously that level of flow isnt needed below 5k rpms.
@@madmod yeah, that is very much the case, but these motors pretty much gotta rev to make power anyways just cause of how small they are.
@@Prestiged_peck 350ft/lbs through the curve with only 281 cubes and 9.3:1 compression is by no means a slouch at low rpms. This combo only turns some 6k rpms and makes enough power to run 11s in a sn95, fox, or new edge chassis.
vic jr please
Pi i take has aluminum coolant crossover thats no a pi manifold thats a stock plastic 1
only the replacement ones had alum X overs
@@richardholdener1727 I put the replacement alum x on my 01.
After a year of not driving it much after buying a 99 cobra It started leaking at one of the factory bolts and leaked into the front sparkplug well.
Now the sparkplug has rusted to the point it won't come out. I don't know how long this went on because it was a minor leak but I'm afraid this leaked on to the Piston.
Have you heard of anything like this before ?
Here's an idea for an Other Guys death match: 4.6 2-valve Ford vs 4.7 sohc Chrysler.
Good luck finding a 4.7 in the scrap yard... at least one that runs. Its the reason most end up in the yard in the first place. At least thats what i have came across
3V pleeaaseeee lol
I need a puppy
woof
you do a lot of back to back tests on 4.6L 2V parts ... need someone to settle an argument over the Ford performance PI intake? people keep saying it is a revised PI intake and they remove their 1999-2004 PI intakes and place these on for improved power ? I been telling them they are the same intake as the mustang PI intake except different part number and packaging to sell to NPI owners and mustang PI owners that do not know any better ? and on the same line of reasoning the 2005 and up crown victoria and mercury grand marquis 4.6L 2v engines with the PI intake ? other then only one sensor mounting hole in the front crossover instead of 2 and a different part number it should also be the same ? do not know why they put the other sensor in the driverside head but drilling and tapping a hole for the 2nd sensor is quite easy they already have a flat pad. And if for some reason this entire topic never came up before ? might you throw together a dyno run comparisson because been searching the net and cant find anyone that has done this back to back on these 3 intakes ? and to be clear its mustang PI frod motorsport PI and crown vic PI and who knows maybe the grand marquis uses another one as well ?
I have not tested but would expect little to no gains
@@richardholdener1727 exactly my point but it would be a subject that would have come up a lot and im sure a lot of people would view the test in order to get the real scoop on fact or fiction because a lot of your viewers know you and acknowledge your testing procedures to be accurate. and unlike engine masters which I also love to watch you do not take every other breath to plug wilson intakes :) you are in it for the data learned. plus it is easy to swap out and crown vicoria intakes are $20 a pop and you have mustang PI intakes lying around and Im sure someone will lend you a ford performance intake if not donate one for the cause.