Top 10 Worst Class Features
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- In Dungeons and Dragons fifth edition each class gains something new whenever they level up - whether that’d be learning new spells, a new class or subclass feature, or gaining increased stats via your ability score improvements. And the purpose of gaining these new abilities is to help make your character feel stronger as a campaign progresses. However, In this video, we’ll be going over some of the worst features that you can learn from classes and subclasses which either have very little impact on the power level of your character from a roleplay or combat perspective or are just too niche to really make use out of in general.
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Written by: Zephyr
├ The List
Intro: (0:00)
10. Countercharm: (0:29)
9. Enthralling Performance: (4:27)
8. Hide in Plain Sight: (6:24)
7. Detect Portal: (9:35)
6. Divine Health: (10:54)
5. Mantle of Whispers / Imposter: (13:24)
4. Master of Nature: (17:18)
3. Words of Terror: (18:57)
2. Intimidating Presence: (20:51)
1. Eye for Detail: (24:14)
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I'm playing an assassin in my current campaign and finally got to the level where I get Impostor. You're right, it comes far too late into the campaign to be that useful, as I've been hoarding letters, documents etc. all to forge them later on, but most of those enemies are dead already. We are in the endgame now, where we infiltrated the city of the BBEG and I have to be creative how to use that feature to get us access to certain locations. Luckily my DM is prepared for me to send forged letters and documents, so he plans ahead and gives us opportunities, where they can be helpful and one of the ways to get things done.
Your dm sounds awesome. Such a frontloaded subclass. Only time I played a rogue I went Swashbuckler because I didnt want to play with magic, and the subclass progression felt like it synced up well with base rogue progression to feel like i was getting things constantly. Only made it to level 10, but panache was a ton of fun.
I always thought Intimidating Presence used STR MOD, not CHA MOD.
It should. My DM usually allows intimidation to be rolled with either CHA or STR, depending on how the player RP’s the actual intimidation.
@@rukeyazu8669Just to clarify, this is a variant in the PHB, not a homebrew. Skills are mainly tied to an ability, but it's not absolute. It states an example of Athletics using Constitution for a stamina heavy activity.
@@ilanouh Oh cool! I didn’t realize that.
I used to privately joke back in 3.5 that the best use for Divine Health was to mitigate the consequences of using the services of, shall we say "disease-riddled night flowers".
Sadly, there were not many LG Deities of Love, which kinda limited the use of this without trying to convince your DM to use UA content.
Why would you have to follow a lg deity? Just follow a n deity of love
@@Natt_Skapain 3.5 you had to be lawful good to play a paladin, so maybe your god had to be lawful good as well?
@@blaze5679 ah that makes sense
Intimidating Presences is actually a little bit better because no where on that ability does it say you have to be raging or in combat in order to use it, so its mostly used for social situations like a lot of the others on this list. I still think it should probably be use Str since Barbarians actual have access to the Intimidation skill.
If you’re out of combat and trying to intimidate someone who isn’t hostile to you, why don’t you just say “can I roll an Intimidation check on this guy?”
Can't believe Know Your Enemy didn't make the list
I was just about to comment this! Cause holy hell it's such a POS ability, I can think of a few scenarios in which these other features would be useful but how is it EVER relevant to see how high one of a creatures stats are? And when are you ever going to be able to observe something for that long before you get into combat?
@@mathizarrmalve6026 My first run of 5e, I was a Battle Master fighter. We were able to find a good few points where we were talking face to face with potential enemies but it wasn't often and felt very specific to that campaign (it was much more rare for any other campaign I've done) and even with the relative frequency of it, the information was almost never useful
I think the one time it was useful sort of was when I learned an enemy, who was relatively high level wise to my character, had the same AC as me and that was it. It was the only time it had even a small amount of value through the campaign (which was cut short but still)
First time I was running a Battle Master Fighter, the GM eventually put us into a swordsmanship contest where we could mingle with and figure out who all the other characters we would be competing against were. Naturally, I mentioned I wanted to know what I generally felt about all those categories from each contestant via the Know Your Enemy feat which I got a level earlier.
The GM got flustered and I said it was okay if they didn't have all their stats filled out yet, it was quite a few contestants and it was only the start of the little adventure, then said I was okay with them getting back to me on it when it was all done up, but to keep it in mind. Next session the GM said it was an overpowered feat and I would not be benefiting from it. I was also told that I would not be allowed to benefit from the Blind Fighting fighting style while blindfolded during a point in the competition.
It's a great feat to have in certain circumstances, studying an enemy before a combat and getting some general knowledge of how it might go down. Its range of use can be more broad than others on this list if you're playing the class well and approaching encounters cautiously, especially if you get introduced to a boss enemy early on and for long enough. Tournaments and contests can be the best places for the feat, but still hardly powerful enough to shaft players like what happened in my case though.
Somewhat amusingly, as written it is not affected by illusions and some shape changing abilities. This has been used in my campaigns a handful of times for the Battlemaster in a social scenario to go “cool I observe everyone 1 at a time.” To find out who has higher hp i.e. whoever’s a threat and likely the villain.
Pretty amusing, but yeah. It’s far too situational. Maybe if it was a Bonus Action it could be something, but even then.
@@LeonardAndHisBiscuitthat Dm sucks ass
Battlerager; spiked retribution
Worst capstone ability 😂
If counter charm was a reaction. It would not be on this list.
Nice video!
Kinda crazy that the Monk's 15 level Timeless Body feature isn't here.
Fair, most campaigns I've played haven't really featured age as an important factor. I think that's more of a flavour feature than one that's actually meant to be useful though, allowing you to play a old master monk without having to worry about arthritis
@@phryg2035 the "bonus" of Timeless Body is if the next campaign is in the same setting but centuries have passed, you can say your old Monk PC is still up and about lol
@@jermainereyem7635 that's a good one! let's see how I can sneak that in once my current campaign is over
I can't believe Experimental Elixirs got snubbed, like you can use an action and a spell slot to make a potion someone else can (RAW) use their action to drink... Or you could just use your bonus action to cast healing word since you're probably making healing potions anyway.
1:22 I've learned from experience that if you can agree to allow it to help already affected creatures it can absolutely be useful
It's crazy that D&Done got rid of Countercharm instead of making it a bonus action, even though they made Bardic Inspiration a reaction so there'd be that much less competition for it.
Also, as previously stated, Eye for Detail is only "bad" because DMs don't run the rules RAW. Being able to use a Bonus Action to find the skirmishing Goblins and getting to attack instead of using your whole action and using your own Cunning Action for nothing productive is a great feature, but it relies on the DM, 1. actually using the rules, and 2. actually using hiding.
Eye for Detail only sucks because most tables don't enforce the rules for Perception and Investigation in combat. The rules state that if you want to investigate something in combat, you have to use your action. Player: "I scan the treeline for kobolds". DM: okay, roll a Perception check. Player: 24! DM: you spot three kobolds in the woods to your left. Player: I attack them with my bow. DM: sorry, no can do. You used your action to look for hiding creatures. You'll have to wait until next round.
Because looking around is normally a free action out of combat, players assume it is the same in combat. Like talking. Or drawing your weapon. So Eye for Detail is only weak if your group is ignoring RAW. (Which most of them are) For the 2024 rules, maybe clarify that better or buff the feature to advantage on checks. No, wait, that's the 9th level ability. Maybe a +3 to checks? Something.
This is also why illusion spells live or die by the DM. If the DM notices that the high-INT, Investigation-proficient statblock has a high enough passive Investigation to beat your save DC, even if there's no narrative difference between a Major Image wall of stone appearing in their face and a Wall of Stone appearing in their face, then it feels like a big screw you for wanting to be creative and double-screw your action economy. I don't need my very clever cage to trap the Ogre that would never make the check being undone because "the first thing he'd do is try to break out and the spell doesn't hold up to interaction," ESPECIALLY when the DM also lets people disbelieve illusions based on someone else's claim. Wow, my third-level spell slot to try to hinder this small army is undone by one of them talking as a free action and now all of the soldiers suddenly know that the fake demon I summoned is fake.
Hell, don't get me started on how 5e itself can hardly keep separation between Perception and Investigation, so you end up with Wizards begging the DM, "Can I please INVESTIGATE the room instead?"
it's true, no one remembers that in RAW that's how it goes. I just buff the roll, giving a +2 on checks, and let them do it as a free action instead of a bonus action.
I think the idea behind intimidating presense is to use it. Then as your raging use your frenzied rage feature to make a bonus action attack prolonging your rage. Is it still bad yes but not quite as bad as you make it out to be.
With Divine Health you can sleep around and get not a single STD
Strangely the palidan in our party discovered that in the our last session 😅😅
The first background was making it quite tricky to watch. Overall vid is great though!
I like the "homebrew" they did in 3.5 ed Divine Health you can drink any water and not worry about it being sick from it
You didn't even mention the biggest reason why Divine Health is rather meh, which is that paladins can already cure diseases with just spending 5 points from their lay on hands pool.
Why are there lines over the class art?
Counter charm enters the list
I find Mantle of Whispers to be better than Imposter at least.
To be fair, a few of the features that made this list are ribbon features. They're something you get with OTHER abilities at the same level. Could definitely argue that these features should be removed altogether and the other abilities be buffed to compensate, but that's probably unnecessary.
Poor doggo
I let barbs fighters and paladins option to use strength because it’s dumb the big slaughterhouse mofos aren’t intimidating on their sheer physicality
Nothing from the Sun soul monk or the battle rager barbarian they arguably have the worst class features
Just about anything the Monk gets?
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Orayt!!
There are some rules that tables ignore that make some features or feats weaker. Stealth rules. Does anybody enforce the half speed restriction on stealth? If you don't, then skulker and the thief's supreme sneak are less effective.
potent cantrip(evocation wizard)
Countercharm would help with stuff like hypnopattern, so its not that useless
just to ass on mantle of wisper is really good for lore when we escape orc stronghold and kill they leader and left after few days we kill orc again from same stronghold and now i know what happend after we left who is leader and so on so its really really good for lore and flavor of class being that master of information, cuz people forget just how much normal person know.
No frenzy? For shame dndlogs for shame.
I disagree on Enthralling Performance. Your argument is that an overly strict or ill willing DM might make the Feature useless, but there are soo many other charm and illusion based features that fall under the same mantle with way less explicit rules as Enthralling Performance. In fact the feature flat out spells out that the charmed creatures WILL help you and to what extent. As such even mechanically oriented DM's that normally wouldn't run social encounters this way can be persuaded by the black on white text here, while more open ended story driven DM's will want to give you an extra benefit over just performing regularly anyway.
hide in plain sight is great???
replace 10 with 9
detect portal is s tier in a plane hopping campaign but otherwise is a neat option for the dm to use in the plot.
mantle of whispers Situational, but it’s notably better than Disguise Self
i dont agree that mantle of wispers is bad, i played collange of wispers few time now and what you forgot about that its any humanoid so when you kill a goblin you can tak shadow and puff now you know full dungon layout who boss is were are guard how they are armed and rest.
Nice
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