After people wanted better sounds they started experimenting with mics being put closer to the exhaust on some cars. The honda PU in particular had a very beautiful idle & downshift sound.
@@adrrodw4975what is interesting is that he really improved on that in his last season for some reason. He gained positions on the 1st lap in almost every race in 2021
Omg, just realised that cars in this era just sound so nice. No porpoising, no weird sounds at the end of straights. the acceleation at corner exists is so smooth and satisfying for the audience.
They were so amazing, I don't know why the FIA keep changing them, think of how close the racing was. And Ferrari and McLaren were getting close to RedBull and Mercedes. It would have been a four way fight.
@@illogicallylogic9805people need to understand that ferrari is his retirement plan unless you want more depression 1.he will be adjusting to new car in 2025 so no contention 2. 2026 ferrari is not known to deliver under huge regulation changes recently and they adjust pretty slowly and he will be 41, i doubt how much tank will he have by then
No man. To me 2021 was the biggest in how F1 has lost its identity and it’s rigged. Some of the drivers especially from the new generation were just banging their cars, throwing them around like Max did in Brazil and FIA was saying “racing incident”. Unfortunately, for the sake of more viewers and Netflix drama that they wanted to create the destroyed the elite racing sport that it was. As for the rigged part I won’t comment so many mistakes that were made in many races. The back and forth talks between RB and Massi where they were negotiating what to do. Only the last race was enough to show that it was, regardless if it was in favour of Max or if things were opposite and they would do it in favour of Lewis, having again the FIA negotiating with a team and then taking a decision together which obviously favours a lot the one side is ridiculous. To me that showed that F1 chooses the champion they want from time to time to have.
@@519achilles the only thing I’ll comment is that it wasn’t just RB talking to massi through the year, all teams did it, and Mercedes did it such ways of redbull. So it’s not like rb were the only ones. That’s all I say.
agreed, magic mode on the Mercedes is litterely designed for heating tire temps by being full front brake bias. also been proven zig zags don't produce as much heat as braking does
i started watching in 2020 and i can tell you its not.2021 was the best season I've watched but the premise of 2012 is much better tbh(i've only watched a few races but it was a whole lot more competitive). When you have time you should go watch that season.
@@happydemmomanyes and i think it was pretty clear that i was just presenting mine. You can respect it and move on or try to be a smartass for a few likes. Cant even give someone a viewing recc. w/o mfs coming outta nowhere to hate. FOH.
I feel like the new regs made it easier to follow but the overtaking has also gotten worse... it's just drive-by DRS passes on the straights, hardly any battles in the corners
Why!? New cars allow for far better racing. Like the 2022 season was terrible from a competitive standpoint, but the racing between cars was the best I've seen. And I've been watching since 2008/2009 ish.
He’s not braking to use brake heat for the tires, he’s braking and using the throttle at the same time to create negative torque on the front tire carcass and positive torque on the rear tire carcass, this warms up the tires and he doesn’t have to weave into dirty parts of the race track. This is very common in indycar where the tracks will have tons of rubber marbles as the race goes on
IMO, it’s situational. On a SC restart, most of the time you don’t see P2 weaving because they’re trying to react to the moment the leader decides to go full throttle
I mean he did show an example of Lewis doing it from P3... Also I think maybe this is a somewhat of a predetermined approach decided between lewis and his team on how to conduct restart, perhaps as a result of specific traits of the car... All of this while knowing that merc has relied on their brake magic to more gently fireup the tires so the stint isn't affected by yet another heat cycle of a safety car restart.
Yea, Kimi used to do it as well. Its pretty common. And its not using hot air, its using the literal heat from the 1000° brakes to heat the rim and inner part of the tyre. Heat from inside out vs outside in. In addition to all of that, Max had the restart whenever he wanted to go. Lewis was just making sure he wasnt caught out of position.
The most amount of grip on rubber actually comes from the inside of the tyre. Doesnt mean hamilton's way is better; just different methods for different needs.
Can we just appreciate how quickly these guys can react to the guy in front dropping the hammer? You don’t even notice it happening and Hamilton is immediately on it.
It's because that car had something specific they called it "the magic button" to heat up his tires, the same button he switched back on by accident at Baku that made him go straight in the 1st corner.
Especially on public roads it's far easier and efficient to warm your tires with heavy breaking and strong accelerating than trying to somehow zigzag in your own lane
It’s a wicked way to do any rolling start. It’s much easier and quicker to release the car via the brake pedal plus you’re driving along with the back end squatted and ready to pounce (assuming you’re in a RWD car).
a safety car reduces fuel requirement compared to a full race without safety car, burning (more) fuel is probably more often than not a good thing during a SC
Many drivers have done that, most recent and notable was Raikkonen a few seasons ago, people thought he was driving in a straightline while everyone else zig zagged but it wasn't the case.
Kimi used to do the same. It also has the benefit of warming the brakes. Coarbon disks work better when hot. It doesn't mean that drivers who dance don't brake as well. Usually they do.
@@ApokR lol Lewis made difference in 2017-19. Mercedes was not even better than Ferrari in 2018 And I just mentioned 2009 where he won races in a midfield car.
@@alexlacl8730 so when lewis wins 2 races in a "midfield" (top 3) car he's the best driver of the season and the goat but when verstappen wins 10 before having a competitive season he's a fraud and a cheater? you bums need a consistent logic 💀 ferrari 2018-2019 were only competitive because of top speed and failed to do anything else as seen with hamilton being 80 and 90 points clear of them bud lest we forget hamilton only had one competitor prior to 2021 and he lost to him 💀💀💀 and if it wasn't enough it was his own teammate
TBF this is more of him having to do this for the restart - if Hamilton had been zig-zagging, max could suddenly take off while he's facing the wrong way and get a huge jump. That's the advantage of being able to set the pace in p1, you can try to warm up your tyres better and psych out the ones behind ya. For some interesting tyre warming, I would look at the maneuver alonso sometimes does, which goes all the way back to his renault days when it was way more common - having the tyres break traction, literally throwing the car sideways back and forth on the X axis, like a little slide almost. Watching some old 2006 races, everyone seemed to do it (at least on some tracks) during the parade lap. Now Alonso is the only one I've seen do it in years, it's an interesting thing to watch now that I know where it came from.
This is necessary. It's an SC restart and swerving to heat up tyres will compromise you when the leader goes as they control the field.. If Hamilton used the zig zag technique, verstappen could have taken off mid zig zag and Hamilton would have lost time. This method is to ensure the car is straight when verstappen does go. It's not just hamilton that will do this under these conditions, a lot of other drivers will do the same
You're forgetting how much better the RB was from Monaco up until Silverstone, these two cars were as close to equal as you could get tbh with RB maybe being slightly better over the season
@achiraorayrid Bottas was as quick as Max in Monaco. You can tell me the Merc was not quick around there. If Bottas is matching Max the car is likely quicker. Over the season the Mercedes was 0.18s faster over a lap. The advantage was likely larger in races as they had better tyre management.
I am not joking -- I actually do this same type of heating in sim racing games but it's not because it'll heat up the tires. I actually never thought of that. I do it so that I can have my brakes at optimal temperature, so I can be aggressive with my corner passing attempts and brake slightly late. Of course, it comes at the cost of less grip I think.
I assume that he already heated his tyres to the point where they only needed to be held at temperature. If he'd zigzag too then he'd overheat the tyres. It's also why in that famous clip of kimi not heating his tyres in Abu Dhabi 2017 when everyone else was, he also likely already had the tyres up to temp and didn't want to overheat them.
The corner where current F1 cars beat peak 2019 cars: czcams.com/video/3mA_14FucOo/video.html
Yo.. from the thumbnail i thought he used the sparks from the car on the front to heat his tyres.. and I believe that was indeed your intention 😂
Gotta use a flashy thumbnail.
What he commented was a factual description of events. No need to speculate
I thought exactly the same thing!!! 😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
Also a copied video no?
That Mercedes V6 engine wasn't given credit on how good it sounded for its kind. Sounded glorious skipping up through those gears.
I love the sound of it when it is running at the lower RPMs also
@@user-kf6oy1gq8v Yess especially in the Redbull Honda PU when it’s doing that engine braking thing. Reminds me of the blown diffusers.
Honda better
After people wanted better sounds they started experimenting with mics being put closer to the exhaust on some cars. The honda PU in particular had a very beautiful idle & downshift sound.
@@AugmentedGravity nope. Mercedes AMG V6>>>> Honda V6
Kimi Raikkonen once said with zig zag you dont warm up the tyres ...is better to brake and throtle
that's for carcass temps but you still need surface temps as well, which weaving will increase
@@NangDoofer ok didnt know that...👍
Yes that's why Kimi was always terrible at the restarts 😂
The guy who went an entire season without gaining a position on the opening lap... IN A FERRARI
@@adrrodw4975what is interesting is that he really improved on that in his last season for some reason. He gained positions on the 1st lap in almost every race in 2021
Omg, just realised that cars in this era just sound so nice. No porpoising, no weird sounds at the end of straights. the acceleation at corner exists is so smooth and satisfying for the audience.
Those cars were developed for 8-9 years.
@@DailyShit. who cares?
They were so amazing, I don't know why the FIA keep changing them, think of how close the racing was. And Ferrari and McLaren were getting close to RedBull and Mercedes. It would have been a four way fight.
@@devilzuser0050 Everybody who watches F1?
Regardless of whose side of the argument you’re on, 2021 was such a titanic battle between max and Lewis. I long for another great year like that.
Looks like we gonna have to wait till he moves to Ferrari
@@illogicallylogic9805won’t happen buddy.
@@illogicallylogic9805people need to understand that ferrari is his retirement plan unless you want more depression 1.he will be adjusting to new car in 2025 so no contention 2. 2026 ferrari is not known to deliver under huge regulation changes recently and they adjust pretty slowly and he will be 41, i doubt how much tank will he have by then
No man. To me 2021 was the biggest in how F1 has lost its identity and it’s rigged.
Some of the drivers especially from the new generation were just banging their cars, throwing them around like Max did in Brazil and FIA was saying “racing incident”. Unfortunately, for the sake of more viewers and Netflix drama that they wanted to create the destroyed the elite racing sport that it was.
As for the rigged part I won’t comment so many mistakes that were made in many races. The back and forth talks between RB and Massi where they were negotiating what to do. Only the last race was enough to show that it was, regardless if it was in favour of Max or if things were opposite and they would do it in favour of Lewis, having again the FIA negotiating with a team and then taking a decision together which obviously favours a lot the one side is ridiculous.
To me that showed that F1 chooses the champion they want from time to time to have.
@@519achilles the only thing I’ll comment is that it wasn’t just RB talking to massi through the year, all teams did it, and Mercedes did it such ways of redbull. So it’s not like rb were the only ones. That’s all I say.
Kimi carried this same train of thought
agreed, magic mode on the Mercedes is litterely designed for heating tire temps by being full front brake bias. also been proven zig zags don't produce as much heat as braking does
Most drivers do, especially at a safety car restart…
@@ck867 no obviously most drivers don't
i think 2021 is peak forumula 1 for now
I agree
The way it peaked was amazing too
i started watching in 2020 and i can tell you its not.2021 was the best season I've watched but the premise of 2012 is much better tbh(i've only watched a few races but it was a whole lot more competitive). When you have time you should go watch that season.
@@kaekayyy2554
yo did u know opinions are subjective
@@happydemmomanyes and i think it was pretty clear that i was just presenting mine. You can respect it and move on or try to be a smartass for a few likes. Cant even give someone a viewing recc. w/o mfs coming outta nowhere to hate. FOH.
2021 feels like ancient egypt
Man I miss thoses cars
I feel like the new regs made it easier to follow but the overtaking has also gotten worse... it's just drive-by DRS passes on the straights, hardly any battles in the corners
@@musculusiv4172not enough dowforce for drivers to trust the car in corners during overtakes
Why!? New cars allow for far better racing. Like the 2022 season was terrible from a competitive standpoint, but the racing between cars was the best I've seen. And I've been watching since 2008/2009 ish.
I miss 2004
@@thesnackbandit i agree with you, but ngl the 2021 cars are just so pretty
He returns!
He’s not braking to use brake heat for the tires, he’s braking and using the throttle at the same time to create negative torque on the front tire carcass and positive torque on the rear tire carcass, this warms up the tires and he doesn’t have to weave into dirty parts of the race track. This is very common in indycar where the tracks will have tons of rubber marbles as the race goes on
Those cars just looked like they accelerated a lot faster
Good to see ye back, right on time
IMO, it’s situational. On a SC restart, most of the time you don’t see P2 weaving because they’re trying to react to the moment the leader decides to go full throttle
I mean he did show an example of Lewis doing it from P3... Also I think maybe this is a somewhat of a predetermined approach decided between lewis and his team on how to conduct restart, perhaps as a result of specific traits of the car... All of this while knowing that merc has relied on their brake magic to more gently fireup the tires so the stint isn't affected by yet another heat cycle of a safety car restart.
weaving wears the tires more... braking is more efficient.
Usually they will weave much earlier when the SC is out but not on restarts. Like on the in lap but not for the restart.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks Exactly. This isn't about special ways to heat the tyres, it's really the only option if you want to hit the restart perfectly.
@@Ryzard Speaking from experience huh? When'd you get your super license?
2021 cars were so beautyful
Best f1 content like always
Great job 👍👏
Yea, Kimi used to do it as well. Its pretty common. And its not using hot air, its using the literal heat from the 1000° brakes to heat the rim and inner part of the tyre. Heat from inside out vs outside in.
In addition to all of that, Max had the restart whenever he wanted to go. Lewis was just making sure he wasnt caught out of position.
Good lord, the Red Bull going from zig-zagging to full throttle takeoff mode is exhilarating
Aah the year when with 1 on track overtake we had one of the best races around this track. I want a repeat of 2021
Please do a kimi warming tyres
The most amount of grip on rubber actually comes from the inside of the tyre. Doesnt mean hamilton's way is better; just different methods for different needs.
2021'will go down as the most Iconic year in F1
this is what "MAGIC" does 100% front break baise to worm the tyers by heating the wheels
Also Mercedes had their "magic button" to help front tire heating
What a good season that was... great rivalry
One guy cheats and gets FIA backing, the other doesn't. Yep great.
@@wibblywobbly99 oh yes you are right, the worst season. 2023 better.
2021 had some of the best raceing and it was amazing yet people only remember Abu Dhabi
Can we just appreciate how quickly these guys can react to the guy in front dropping the hammer? You don’t even notice it happening and Hamilton is immediately on it.
I miss old gen cars so much...
Me too. Those wheel covers and arches on the tops now are so ugly. The cars are too huge and heavy too. It sucks.
Agreed pal. New cars are ugly as hell, they are so heavy & big like a boat. @@walla23
Man, I miss those cars
Welcome back, pal. 🎉
Miss this season
It's because that car had something specific they called it "the magic button" to heat up his tires, the same button he switched back on by accident at Baku that made him go straight in the 1st corner.
This was one of the first things I was taught in “race” school.
Magic, brakes go pretty much entirely to the front to help heat it up.
omg i love those Honda decaled rear wings
This got me excited for the season, but obviaouyl it did, I had a beer and this was 2021
I absolutely love this method from a spectator pov because it always seemed like a predator silently stalking his prey
Love the sound of w12
back when the cars looked quick, and people could go for cheeky overtakes. Unlike the boats we have today.
The Goat
Especially on public roads it's far easier and efficient to warm your tires with heavy breaking and strong accelerating than trying to somehow zigzag in your own lane
Hot brakes are essential in racing with left and right handed corners.
I use this same method when I'm starting my gt3 races in acc, except I smash both pedals at the same time before the rolling start
Also keeps you from ending up like Grosjean in the haas when he hit that wall warming up his tires
It’s a wicked way to do any rolling start. It’s much easier and quicker to release the car via the brake pedal plus you’re driving along with the back end squatted and ready to pounce (assuming you’re in a RWD car).
2:25 hypnotic 😮
woohoo hes back!
It does make sense in a way
cool information thanks
Kimi Raikonen was the first person I was made aware to use this technique
Racing drivers are well aware of the difference between the two methods.
sir leavis was bullied, robbed and lynched by those evil tyres
Isn't this how Kimi (used to) did it too?
doesnt Kimi also do this?? it that iconic meme of him just going straight in Formation lap while everyone was Zig zagging
Lol we don’t talk about Baku 2021.
Just like kimi ❤
That's the way I hear my tires on the game. And it's superior as well because you put no wear on the tires
smart thing for restart but this also consumes more fuel - lack of fuel can hurt later in some circumstances.
a safety car reduces fuel requirement compared to a full race without safety car, burning (more) fuel is probably more often than not a good thing during a SC
I believe this is clever because it also keeps the brakes at operatin temperature
Everyone does this now. Everyone races the same race line Hamilton raced for years now too. That why he’s one for the best of all time.
Many drivers have done that, most recent and notable was Raikkonen a few seasons ago, people thought he was driving in a straightline while everyone else zig zagged but it wasn't the case.
Kimi used to do the same. It also has the benefit of warming the brakes. Coarbon disks work better when hot.
It doesn't mean that drivers who dance don't brake as well. Usually they do.
I wonder if he gets more carcass temp this way as opposed to surface temp. Might be better lasting heat? Although more strain on the brakes as well?
This will definitely not backfire in Baku
F***ing finally!!!
Lewis is so good it’s insane
especially when he's not in the #1 car
Last time he had the number 1 car was 2009 and he was the best driver of the season @@ApokR
@@alexlacl8730 yeah he absolutely wasn't in the best car of the grid from 2014 to 2021 nope not at all
LOLOLOL the delusion goes crazy
@@ApokR lol Lewis made difference in 2017-19. Mercedes was not even better than Ferrari in 2018
And I just mentioned 2009 where he won races in a midfield car.
@@alexlacl8730 so when lewis wins 2 races in a "midfield" (top 3) car he's the best driver of the season and the goat but when verstappen wins 10 before having a competitive season he's a fraud and a cheater? you bums need a consistent logic 💀
ferrari 2018-2019 were only competitive because of top speed and failed to do anything else as seen with hamilton being 80 and 90 points clear of them bud
lest we forget hamilton only had one competitor prior to 2021 and he lost to him 💀💀💀 and if it wasn't enough it was his own teammate
Was just on your channel binging some content and was like "this dude hasn't uploaded in a while
A pleasant surprise 🙏
TBF this is more of him having to do this for the restart - if Hamilton had been zig-zagging, max could suddenly take off while he's facing the wrong way and get a huge jump. That's the advantage of being able to set the pace in p1, you can try to warm up your tyres better and psych out the ones behind ya.
For some interesting tyre warming, I would look at the maneuver alonso sometimes does, which goes all the way back to his renault days when it was way more common - having the tyres break traction, literally throwing the car sideways back and forth on the X axis, like a little slide almost.
Watching some old 2006 races, everyone seemed to do it (at least on some tracks) during the parade lap. Now Alonso is the only one I've seen do it in years, it's an interesting thing to watch now that I know where it came from.
This is necessary. It's an SC restart and swerving to heat up tyres will compromise you when the leader goes as they control the field.. If Hamilton used the zig zag technique, verstappen could have taken off mid zig zag and Hamilton would have lost time. This method is to ensure the car is straight when verstappen does go. It's not just hamilton that will do this under these conditions, a lot of other drivers will do the same
the best season so far !!!!!
When f1 was fun to watch
0:58 jeez Max just zoomed thru the start/finish straight
Breaking heats tyres, zigzagging maintains temperature.
Kimi Raikkonen moment
reminds me of kimi not needing to heat up his tyres 😅
The Mercedes in 21 was a Rocketship. In Brazil it was passing cars half way down the straight. Amazing engine.
didn’t even have the highest top speed at brazil
You're forgetting how much better the RB was from Monaco up until Silverstone, these two cars were as close to equal as you could get tbh with RB maybe being slightly better over the season
@achiraorayrid Bottas was as quick as Max in Monaco. You can tell me the Merc was not quick around there. If Bottas is matching Max the car is likely quicker. Over the season the Mercedes was 0.18s faster over a lap. The advantage was likely larger in races as they had better tyre management.
@@mohammedaneeskhan790 adrian newey himself said the rb was faster
@romanmckenzie5674 the data says otherwise. The gaps was 0.18s on average across the season in favour of Mercedes
The did I forget the magic button was a great way right ?
Redbull had a crazy pace that day.
Max has the best restarts when leading. Goes right up to the control line to accelerate. P2 cant overtake before the first turn.
I am not joking -- I actually do this same type of heating in sim racing games but it's not because it'll heat up the tires. I actually never thought of that. I do it so that I can have my brakes at optimal temperature, so I can be aggressive with my corner passing attempts and brake slightly late. Of course, it comes at the cost of less grip I think.
Max and Checo was like 💃💃
the year that floor regs really hurt Merc
Ah yes. The Hamilton line.
I believe this doesn’t work as of 2022, as the wheels were changed to reduce how much the brakes warm the tire core
Interesting how hamilton found out a solution to deal with Max's notoriously awkward rolling start after safety car.
I assume that he already heated his tyres to the point where they only needed to be held at temperature. If he'd zigzag too then he'd overheat the tyres. It's also why in that famous clip of kimi not heating his tyres in Abu Dhabi 2017 when everyone else was, he also likely already had the tyres up to temp and didn't want to overheat them.
I miss the older generation of f1 cars (pre 2022) they were rapid
I did not expect you have a bilibili account!!! How are you doing there?
Coulthard said zig zagging doesn't work, Kimi said it doesn't work, lewis clearly agrees it doesn't work..
I heat my tires the same way :D
dont forget that car had "break magic" that we saw ruin his race in baku. Thats why he does it like that I think his front bias is %70
This isn't a tyre heating strategy, if anything it actually warms up the brakes for turn one.
I do the same in iRacing and real life
yooo thats the sim racing strat, no way that works in real life as well
@yelistener Can you do 2023 vs 2024 testing fastest lap comparison?
Curious as to what LHs brake bias is set at. Interesting to see telemetry data as well but I don't think thats accessible unless you are in the team
He usually sets it very far forwards, but he tends to change it on the fly depending on the corner.
Then there was alonso back in renault days
The sound is just always going to be a bummer to me. V10!
Lewis is warming them up by ignoring tracklimits