Walloons in New Netherland: Forgotten Settlers in a Forgotten Colony
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- In Battery Park, lower Manhattan, you’ll see a monument that reads…’in Memory of the Walloon Settlers who came over to America in the Nieu Nederland Under the Inspiration of Jesse De Forest”
So after half a dozen videos of me referring to New Netherland as a Dutch Colony… now I’m telling you it’s not even Dutch? But Walloon?
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most walloons came to england, they had a big community in canterbury and the churches around the city contain a lot of their graves
As one of the ~1 million descendants of Joris and Catalina Rapalje, I greatly enjoyed hearing their story at the end.
I am also one of the descendants! Hello cousin! And ty Geography Geek for this video!
Yea! Thank you! We were French Huguenots and Wallons who settled New Amsterdam and New Paltz. Love this!
I found your channel by chance and I'm impressed.
As a Finn it would be nice to see a video about my homeland and its history.
Don't get me wrong, your videos about various other things have have been superb so far!
Thank you! I don't have one planned at the moment but I am sure I will at some point.
Check out the settling of New Sweden in Florida. Many were really Finnish
@@dianethulin1700 New Sweden was in Delaware and Maryland
I'm enjoying your channel. I'm actually happy that you're posting several videos about America's forgotten Dutch history. I'm American but one of my great-grandfathers was from the Netherlands, so I'm fascinated in Dutch history.
I'm happy you're here and that's pretty cool!
Thank you for making this video and discussing the history of Walloons and Huguenots in the establishment of New Amsterdam. I’m a direct descendant of Jesse DeForest and it’s nice to see someone discuss the history that is mostly overlooked.
Jesse DeForest is one of my ancestors through his daughter Rachel and her husband Jean Mousnier de la Montagne, the first physician on Manhattan Island.
He’s one of my ancestors through her brother Isaac!
@@camerontuck108 That makes us cousins (quite a bit removed).
I a Genealogist originally from Connecticut
My wife’s English ancestors were hired by the Dutch to build a Church in lower Manhattan in the 1630
They eventually migrated to Connecticut
They were real Yankees
Apparently that term was a pejorative coming from a Dutch Revolutionary name Jan Keyes who was considered a crazy person .
In Dutch you wright Jan Kees! 😁
Great story by the way! 👌🏼✌🏼
Catalyntje Trico is my 12x great grandmother. I stem from the Vandervoort line. It’s so cool to discover this! They were basically the Adam and Eve of New York! 😅
same
Jesse DeForest is my 9X great grandfather. It was fun to watch this video, hear the stories spoken, and see the documents and monuments that I found in my genealogical research. Thank you Geography Geek!
Recently learned that I'm one of those Rapalje/Trico descendants. Pieter van Neste married their daughter, Judith, and here I am, 12 generations later (like a million others). Though, the name has changed to Van Ness. I've been fascinated by the history of New Netherland ever since. Thanks for making the video!
Very interesting content from a New York city tour guide! I'm sure your aware of the book The Island at the Center of the World about dutch Manhattan. It's fantastic
Once again you're engaging me and this time showing me how little I know about aspects of our history. I am a descendent of the Pilgrims but never put their time-line together with the Dutch settlements. Looking forward to learning more....
Good video GG
Thanks!
My great grandfather Pierre Billiou (Bilyeu) came in 1661 and his home is still standing on Staten Island. He was a Walloon speaking Huguenot from Lille France in Artois region and fled with the Huguenots to Leiden before petitioning for land in the new world.
I presume a many generations ago grandfather. 1661 was a long time ago. 😊
weird tho since people in Lille were more likely to be Flemish, although after 300 years of French occupation I would understand he would speak french, but a Walloon going to Lille seems really exceptional. Very interesting history, would love to know the history behind that
New Netherland is a big part of my genealogy, and I found out recently that it's my DNA as well! Some of my ancestors in New York had surnames like Van Lanen and De Forrest , and were from Belgium. I also had a La Montagne from Sedan France. Their actual DNA was closer to Dutch than Latin/Roman, etc. Great video!!
If your ancestors were from Belgium, you would be Flemish or Walloon, but not Dutch.
@@jasonarthurs3885 The Walloon families who emigrated from Leiden, Netherlands in 1624 had been in Leiden for many years. My great-great grandfather who wrote about our DeForest ancestors (all descended from Jesse) said in his family history written in the 1870's: "[The] family fled to Holland for asylum. They intermarried with the Hollanders & became Dutchmen in all but the name. From Holland they came to this country...[and] settled New York & along the banks of the Hudson & up the Mohawk. The Dutch language was in common use when Mother [born 1800] was a girl. She spoke it more fluently than English, but lost it all in her later years."
@@jasonarthurs3885 Dutch can refer to anyone from the lowlands in the delta of the Meuse and Rhine rivers, historically the word doesnt only refer to people who lived in the borders of what is now the Netherlands. In fact about 800 years ago everyone all the way down the coast to Calais and east from there would have been speaking Old Dutch, and therefore historically referred to as Dutch. This area encompassed many ethnicities including Belgians, Batavians, Frisians, Saxons, etc.
@@jasonarthurs3885 Some of my ancestors were Belgian, but most were Van der Beck, Ten Broeck (originally Van den Broeck), Eckerson, Brut, and many other Dutch, via Holland, surnames. Mixed into my Van Rensselaes and Ten Broecks lines are a few Du Cloix, Van Laanen, and De Forrest Belgian names. Belgium was part of the Netherlands back then, and I just visited northern Zeebrugge Belgium, and they're still very Dutch, which I found interesting. The southern part is almost identical to Northern France, and I really enjoyed that as well. Peace
@@TheSuperappelflap I should have read your very thorough response first - you explained it better than I could! Peace
Yes more dutch vid to fuel my dutch ego
right there no Germany who was wheels that nowhere it's Deutscheland "dutchland like danish like karen😊"
Thanks for this, really enjoyed it.
Ok, I did it. I've watched all of your videos. I am ready for new ones.
Ps: I am going to rewatched it more times so I can memorizd more information.
Thank you for your great work! I am pretty sure this channel is going to get big one day.
Dang! I really appreciate it! Hopefully so. I have more videos coming out shortly. The next one should be ready on the 8th or 9th.
Thank you for this video. These were my direct ancestors.
I’m a direct descendant of one of the first Finnish immigrants to New Sweden, the settlement made possible by Minuit.
Pretty cool!
Jesse DeForest was my 10th great grandfather. my mother spent the last 40 years of her life tracing our family history,i believe she made it back to the year 1007
Fascinating. Makes it all so tangible. To think each ancestor had his own life's story. Maybe in the future, descendants will browse through their ancestor's digital history. All the best.
Rooky numbers, if you have Dutch heritage you should be able to make it to around 700 at least. We have public genealogy websites in the Netherlands, maybe you can take a look at those if youre interested.
I'm a descendant of Trico and her husband through their daughter Marret Rapalje their second daughter who married my however many great grandfather Paulus Vandervoort and I think it's worth stating that Joris Rapalje was actually Walloon as well because he was born in Valenciennes which is modern day France but at the time was in the southern part of the Spanish Netherlands or better now as the Wallonia region of Belgium other than that, incredible video and it's very detailed, I will say though there is Flemish ancestry through the Vandervoort line.
This was really interesting video. Watching from the Philippines
This video is so interesting, and it is also a great job of research and edition. As a walloon myself, i learned things i diid not know. I have heard somewhere that Wall street was named after walloon workers involved in its construction. You probably know more about it. good continuation
thank you! I am a descendant of Phillipe Du Trieux, a Walloon, so this is very interesting to me. Not all early settlers were English.
I love Russell Shorto’s book. I was wondering if you were familiar with it. It’s one of few books that I have read , or listened to multiple times.
Your videos are excellent. I’m looking forward to this series.
Thank you! Same here, I use audible a lot.
Again great video Zack, thank you! I can also recommend Russell Shorto's book Amsterdam. Basically about birth of capitalism amongst other things. Very nice read.
Thanks again! I agree, another great book as well.
11 generations for me to Peter Minuit, though we had to get to Upper Canada in the 1780s, after generations on Long Island, Hoosick, Kinderhook and Albany, and intermarrying with the English.
Love the dutch theme! You should make a video about how the danish have changed their rivers and streams.
Do you eventually plan on talking about the swedish colonies in the Americas
I don't have one planned but it's been in the back of my mind for a while. What was New Sweden is close enough to me to make a long weekend visit. I'm thinking about planning a trip this summer to check out the area and find some inspiration.
@@GeographyGeek cool thanks for the reply
Well, the distinct difference between New Sweden & New Amsterdam against New England is that agreements were made with the Algonquian speaking Nations regarding the colonial boundaries of the former, whereas the latter was a forcible imposition. You know, John Smith and all that.
Historically the English, Spanish, & French arrivals in North America *weren't asking for permission* before showing up.
The Dutch & Scandinavian colonies may have gotten the shaft but it's because they didn't necessarily intend to expand.
Neither Hernan De Soto nor Pierre Lemoyne De Iberville nor Captain John Smith asked for permission or made any agreements with Indigenous people before showing up and claiming regions as New Spain and New England and New France, those which are currently part of the United States.
The New Amsterdam & New Sweden colonies did, and along with that was the sentiment that they ought not bring as many settlers because they only have a limited region which they're entitled to settle.
Which is also why they both collapsed, no numbers.
Very interesting!
Great video my guy 😂😁
Thanks as always!
@@GeographyGeek lol your welcome
New York apparently has had Jewish & Italian, Brazilian, Portuguese, inhabitants as far back as the 1600s.
It says Nieu Nederland / Novum Belgium, and you are surprised by Walloons?
During the eighty years war, the front line shifted constantly, in the north west Holland was relatively safe and in the south east Luxemburg.
In between the battle to control the Netherlands (entirely) went in all directions.
Many went to Holland or Namur/Luxemburg to be safe against plunder and massacre.
Those with sympathy for protestants went north west, those with sympathy for catholics went south east.
Though the Netherlands and Belgium are now two countries, their names BOTH cover the entire BeNeLux.
Even nowadays coins minted in the north can contain the latin text: Gold coin of the Belgian Provincial Confederation, Mo Au Conf Prov Belg
A cool video would be about how Philadelphia is originally a Swedish colony which is why our municipal flag still has the Swedish colors.
I've been thinking about making a video on New Sweden. It's within a full-days drive of where I live. I thought about making a long weekends trip out of it to find some inspiration for a video.
Funny, rapalje is actually an oldfashioned derogatory term used to describe 'deplorables' or scoundrels
That's pretty funny
Thank you for this video! I just found out today that Catalina and Joris are my 9th Great Grandparents. I never knew about this story until now!
What about Hoboken? I read a lot of the origin of the name. But isn’t it interesting that there is an twelfth century settlement and thirteenth village near Antwerp that is called Hoboken, (from the Medieval Dutch ‘hooge boeken’ or ‘high beeches’). It was destroyed during the siege of Antwerp, Antwerp was then a Protestant city and the centre of the resurrection against the Spanish regime of The Netherlands. After the capture of Antwerp in 1585, Protestant got a four year period to settle their businesses and depart. The northern part of the Netherlands became independent the southern part, inclusive the France speaking ‘Walonië’ stayed katholicisme under Spanish rule. Isn’t it possible that some of the Antwerp refuses direct or indirect through Holland and Nieuw Amsterdam, settled in what became Hoboken and gave it its name, some of the first European settlers were Dutch farmers, had a lease of the WIC and were due to bring in more farmers to start a community.
Small correction, Walloon is not a French dialect, it is a distinct language, it split from very early French more than a 1000 years ago.
Thanks for your interesting video's! Im from the Netherlands myself, and I am curius where your interest about the Netherlands comes from?
This is a question I get a lot and I'm eventually going to make a short video to answer it but the main reason is the Age of Exploration is one of my favorite periods of history. Naturally, the Dutch are a big part of that not only for their own explorations but they made the best maps.
I would not be surprised if "de Forest" was a translated surname. Might have been "de Horst" originally, but Google doesn't really lend itself to finding this out.
Great 🙂
Thanks for your Video. Too bad they didn't keep the area around the Fort - including the Fort.
Can you do a video on the origins of the first Manhattan map, the Castello Plan by Jacques Cortelyou? He was a teacher and a geographer.
Good idea. I may actually do that at some point.
I can trace my lineage to Jesse Deforest a French religious refugee
Very cool!
@@GeographyGeek my Bilyeu ancestors also founded staten Island. Pierre Billiou
I believe I'm a descendant of de Forest so this was nice to see.
there is some recently translated info on minuet or whatever minWhee
Your concluding story was inspiring. Can you imaged Joris saying to Katerina, "Let's take a three months honeymoon across the Atlantic on cramped ship and live in the wilderness for the rest of our lives." How many other immigrants have a similar family story?
'Flemish' (as used in this video) is not a Dutch dialect, but the Dutch standard language as spoken in Belgium. Calling 'Flemish' a Dutch dialect would be the same as calling 'American' a dialect of English. Dutch and Flemings use exactly the same spelling, contrary to Americans who use a slightly different spelling from the one used by the British.
Not forgotten but wiped out of history by the Brits.
Min-way.
Nevah heard it said that way.
If you cross the bridge to Brooklyn I'll bet,
Those in the know will say Min-you-ette.
Are they truly forgotten if they have their surnames everywhere?
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@@GeographyGeek Hi, i came across this one last week and i didn't know about it! 🙄 Do you know about April the 19th?! ✌🏼
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My 6 great grandfather
My ancestors were dutch
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Don't confuse the French speaking peoples of the Netherlands as Wallons since due the fact that French was a spoken language in the whole educated people Southern of the 3 mayor Rivers in The Netherlands. The Catholic mayority of the South of educated they where more French spoken than Dutch spoken. This was practiced due to the fact that with a different religion in the South Latin or French was more spoken than Dutch which was the language of the lower classes until 1920. So please recheck your facts again and again. Even in the Belgium Revolution French was the language used to support the Freedom fights and rebellion against the repression of the Protestant Dutch Government which let to a Apartheid in the Dutch society from 1585 until 1918 with some practices even reaching the 1975. Even until to day the Western population finds itself more superior to the people in the North, East and South. Hopefully things will change to the better after the latest General Election of 2024.