How Mistaken Maps Led to the Founding of New York City (New Amsterdam)
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- čas přidán 6. 01. 2022
- Henry Hudson discovered New York Bay and the river that bears his name in September of 1609. While this was by accident, he wasn’t just sailing aimlessly. He was led there…by mistaken maps…but how?
I first came across this story about a month ago when I was just looking through maps at RareMaps.com. It’s like map nerd heaven. There are literally thousands of antique maps, with detailed descriptions. I’ll often search famous explorers or map makers and just see what pops up, and then examine the maps. I’m from Virginia, and enjoy studying it’s colonial era so I searched…John Smith
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encyclopediavirginia.org/6995...
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www.lost-colony.com/Zuniga.pdf
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"True Relation" - John Smith
"Half Moon" - Douglas Hunter - amzn.to/3FieFhN
"A New World Voyager" - Edward Butts - amzn.to/3tiJBMq
Maps from RareMaps.com
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1611 Hondius Map - www.raremaps.com/gallery/deta...
1648 Hondius Globe - www.raremaps.com/gallery/deta...
1623 Hondius Globe Gores - www.raremaps.com/gallery/deta...
1620 Hondius Globe Gores - www.raremaps.com/gallery/deta...
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I appreciate it!
Your video frequently pointed out European assumptions based on information from local Indians. One of the stories was of a great river to the north which flowed into another river which then flowed into the sea. Europeans thought the sea may have been the Pacific Ocean, but could it have been the Ohio going into the Mississippi and then the Gulf of Mexico? I also think that many times the Indians told the European explorers what they thought the explorers wanted to hear, not what was actually there.
Great video, obviously a lot of work and thought went into it. Love your channel
Thank you!
Great work! Having studied ancient maps for years, I realise you did a fantastic job!
@@GeographyGeekI've always been fascinated by maps . Bird's-eye view into the past and present. Thanks for all your thorough knowledge and work you put into the videos . ❤💯
You can find many copies of early maps in the 6 volume work called: The Iconography of Manhattan Island.
This makes me want to play Civilization
Hey man it's Mason from 3rd block just wanted to say be safe!😅
Hey Mason!! You too man!
I love these videos full of random tidbits from letters and interactions between explorers and Natives who much of the time seemed to be trying to help each other.
The First Nations were divided; but the Europeans were also divided. The Europeans knew the Nations were divided and also the Nations knew the Europeans were divided.
A few European/American fusion nations came into being, themselves: the Acadians in what's now "Nova Scotia"; and the Seminole, adding Africans to that mix. IIRC the Arawak language today mostly survives among blacks who learnt that language having escaped their masters.
As a Dutch thanks for making those videos. And you pronounce the Dutch names well!
Thank you! I was a little worried. I had to repeat each like a dozen times and I still wasn’t 100% sure I was saying them right.
@@GeographyGeek haha for a non Dutch speaker it’s good!
@@GeographyGeeki am Dutch, i think you're nailing it for an American on youtube
I appreciate that!
Wonderful wonderful video. Great imagery,.. Superb information. Congrats to all involved. More please.
Thank you! I have many more planned that I hope you like as well.
As always your videos are a treat! This one also. Love the way you make a story out of the info you've found.
I appreciate the kind words!
It's almost uncanny how this video casually brings up some of the most horrific experiences and atrocities that can happen while a giddy ye-olde flute plays in the background lmao
Interesting little yarn backed by an obvious great deal of work on your part. Thanks for the video.
As always, a great documentary! 👌🏼✌🏼
Thanks as always!
Truly wonderful video. Congratulations on your fine work.
More please.
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Thank you! I have many more planned hopefully you like them as well.
Great video keep up the fantastic work 😁
Thank you!!
Love old maps and drawings associated. Noticed one picture around 2:50 showing whale hunting right off the coast. In my interest in Colonial History, the Native Americans would hunt whales just off the beaches of Cape Cod and the Islands. Also, when younger, I did extensive research on Maps & Drawing associated with Boston, Mass. My hometown. Topography. Before New York City, Boston was known as the "Hub of the Universe". Prior, Salem, Mass. had some of the first Colonial Ships sailing to the Orient. Not to detract from your extensive study of New Amsterdam. Still today I certainly enjoy documentaries of your caliber & detail. Thanks.
I’m riveted by this type of content. The first time I saw Lake Ontario, I just had to taste it. I knew it was Ontario, but it was an irresistible impulse.
Okay, it’s weird. I own it.
I thought I was going to feel the same way about the Great Salt Lake but then I got out of the car and smelt it.
@@GeographyGeek Felt some urge at Badwater near Furnace Creek, but nah...
In Dutch it means bathing water, and I could only imagine what took a bath there.
Isn't Lake Ontario like incredibly polluted?
@@joshstainton8207 I don’t think so. At least, not as bad as our oceans.
@@joshstainton8207 it’s Lake Erie that has the massive algae blooms
Love the vids man keep it up🤙
I appreciate it!
There is a connection with smith to sir Francis bacon that will be of great interest to you along with a great mystery of the 40th parallel that is decoded in the Chesapeake map. Look up “Susquehanna alchemy” I think you will enjoy.
I’ve never heard of the north east passage attempts. Very interesting!
Excellent content!
Great content. Thank you.
Thank you!
👍 Excellent!
High quality study!
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Great work again! Thanks! btw what is up with Tartaria? Can you make a video about that?
Thank you! That’s not a bad idea! It was basically this huge misunderstood area east of the Ural Mountains to the Pacific Ocean.
Great story! Thanks!
Great video. GOOD JOB👍
Thank you!
Life expectancy was mid 40s if you don't account for the insanely high child mortality, which bumps it up to 60~
Fascinating Stuff!
Very interesting history!
Great video!
Thank you!
Top video!
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You are mistaken the husdon river was discovered by captain Gomez under spain , he named the river Saint Anthony. The kung Charles V , was primarily looking for gold and did not start any settlement.
More colonial VA please. Great work keep going bro.
Thank you! There definitely will be. I have a couple ideas in mind I would like to do but it may be a bit before I get to them.
Was the St Lawrence River navigational originally?
6:02 didn’t know they knew each other, much less friends
I'm not sure how happy New Yorkers or Nieuw Amsterdammers are when you tell them they are a mistake. 😁
😂
As a new Yorker with self awareness; yes NY is a mistake lol
Most people are caused by accident, which are usually result of a mistake of one type or another. So be careful around the house.
@@walterbushell7029 😂 thanks I’ll keep this in mind.
There is also a New Amsterdam in Guyana South America was once a Dutch colony
3:57 WHAT IS THE title of this painting..and what is the meaning of the meandering column of soldier in the mid distance ???
The battle of Fleurus by Peeter Snayers. (Google Lens is your friend ;) ) I dont know whats up with the spiraling cavalry in the back though.
This is what happens if a "War Reporter" (artist) isn't around to see the actual battle he depicts, but has to rely on battle reports and survivor stories in stead.
Fascinating
Geography Geek, do you know anything about 1620s -1640s about Connecticut that DOESN'T have to do with the Pequot war? My 9th great grandfather was there. He fought at Saybrook Fort, then Mystick Fort.
He was there by 1624. He was a founder of Norwich.
His great grandson married one of William Bradford's great granddaughters, Hannah Bradford
But we cannot figure out where he came from before Saybrook. 🥺 .I can't find much about Connecticut then, besides the Pequot/ Narangsette battles.
Impressive research
@@kevinmoore.7426 I'd be more impressed by someone who can tell me what was happening in 1620-50 Connecticut that DIDN'T have to do with the Pequot/Narangsette battles. It's especially hard to find out whether there were more Dutch, or English settlers, specifically, at Saybrook, prior to the arrival of Major John Mason.
It's right before that battle where the trail goes cold.
I descend from Roger Williams who founded the RI colony in 1630s. The people probably moved south from The Plymouth Colony
@@kevinmoore.7426 all our arrows seem to point to Plymouth. Especially since our Eldest known male had a great grandson who married William Bradford's great granddaughter.
We know this "Eldest Edgerton" was a military man. We know he was a freeman. We know he know he is the progenitor of numerous military offspring.
Cannot find a single document lining him to Plymouth.
Congrats to you for knowing about your ancestry! We're a dying breed!
@@lindakay9552 Roanoake was very early1600, Jamestown 1618 ?, Plymouth 1620? Where else could an English man come from then ?
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The thick collars they wore was to prevent them from licking their wounds
I thought it was all about the Northwest passage? Never heard of the Northeast passage before.
Very interesting
Virginia is and always will be where I call home.
I have covid
,I watching some videos , I like these stories ,
This is quintessential CZcams.
nice one...
This reminds me of another video where.the Great.Salt Lake and the two Slave Lakes appear to have been assumed to be a much larger.body of water and be associated with the Pacific Ocean. Other lakes also are in this confusion.
VERY interesting.
1:36 Egghead!
21:05 Life expectancy at birth, or at his age? Life expectancy at birth might have been 50-75% less than for a grown person, especially a man who wasn't prone to dying in childbirth.
great story dude. I'll be back.
Happy to hear it!
We must change the rivers name imidietlly.
The native Americans were correct, they could access the great lakes via the Hudson River connecting to other lakes and rivers.
... with canals. Which the natives didn't build
17:02 Further denotes sequence, not distance. FARTHER is the proper word.
Thanks.
@@GeographyGeek YW
Great video! And thinking that the Portuguese have reached India in 1498 and China in 1514, what were the Dutch and other European nations doing sailing to the wrong side of the globe over 100 years later? :) :)
Avoiding the Spanish, Portuguese, and Ottomans that's what
The Netherlands weren't around at that time, just a collection of 17 (Belgium included) provinces that fell under the Habsburg empire.
So just technically speaking, since we were part of the Spanish empire, which included Portugal at times, we were there all along 😂
@@Snaakie83 Good logic Ruben! Sometimes you still have to kick there asses. 🤭🤣🤣🤣
Susquehanna?
ALL. maps are mistaken since it's impossible to accurately represent a three dimensional surface in two dimensions.
I’m a map nerd/Truck driver
Happy you’re here!
Why did natives keep telling Europeans that there was an inland sea
because they had seen the shores of the Great Lakes and not what lay beyond, probably.
and Hudson Bay might actually count as an inland sea.
It's Northwest passage. A northeast passage would be around Norway.
You haven’t finished the video yet have you? lol
I was gonna say the same thing but I will wait till the end. At this moment I'm halfway.
Stolen not discovered
The America s weren t the work field of the VOC but the WIC. The Wic did all the business for the dutch in the West and the VOC in the east
Correct but the WIC wasn’t founded until 1621.
Perfect answer. In later time the WIC was established to break the Spanish trade and to take it over. It was in fact a war/trade body. It was successful and harming Spain that the WIC mentioned in the Spanish conditions to get independents for the Dutch to give up the WIC.
"Bad maps" are just the information we have at the time. I suspect we have currently "bad maps" of our galaxy. That to will change.
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Needs to be shorter length of video
Speed it up
@@GeographyGeek I personally appreciate the length of the video. I think it's perfect right around 20 to 35 mins
@@highbrass7563 Great to hear. This was originally planned to be 7-15 minutes like most of my videos but I couldn't find anything I felt like I could take out.
@@GeographyGeek Tremendous! Thank you for your reply. Such a huge fan!!!!
@@highbrass7563 no problem! Thank you!
Discovered? Like me going to your house and discovering it.
You have to wonder what New York would have been like had the Pilgrim Fathers landed there as planned - New Amsterdam was a pretty free wheeling place from it's inception. One can only wonder what the character of the city would be like today if it had been run from the start by a bunch of religious fundamentalists.
It would be like Boston. Good thing the Dutch settled in New York and planted the seeds for the future United States of America, i.e. multi-cultural and democratic.
@@johnsilva9139 I guess. I know every country mythologizes it's past but I've always thought it very strange that the Mayflower colonists should have a place front and centre in America's popular history.
of only those explorers had GPS... imagine how much faster those greedy European Monarchs could have damaged the world
How are you going to make that video and not mention Adrian Block and Cornelius Hendrickson? Hendricksons map is on display at the Hauge in Amsterdam. The "Unrest" (Restless), the first vessel of that kind built on North American continent to this day has a replica still on the bay you can actually take a tour in. In just 4 months Block, Hendrickson, the crew, and Natives built that ship using salvaged ship parts and timber. Hendrickson traveled inland on foot to pay ransom for three crew members from different company home overseas to their families. It is also noted the Hendrickson may have been the first White European male to set foot on that land by Mr Hudsons bay.
“discovered”. LOL...