Why Won't This Brand New EFI Generator WON'T START?

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  • čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
  • In today's video Taryl goes over this Champion EFI generator for a customer that doesn't run. They did SOMETHING to this thing and Taryl's gotta get to the bottom of it. Like a true Lawn Mower Detective he's on the case and ready to crack it. Tune in for the full story here. Now There's Your Dinner!!
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  • @user-zh8ho4zg1n
    @user-zh8ho4zg1n Před 4 měsíci +26

    Little Johnny grabbed the yellow can to fill the yellow tank...

    • @AAa-qd8hb
      @AAa-qd8hb Před 4 měsíci +2

      That funny.

    • @larrymickey3419
      @larrymickey3419 Před 4 měsíci +1

      More likely someone filled a red can with kerosene .

  • @daneyre5813
    @daneyre5813 Před 4 měsíci +43

    The detective in me says it's grandpa's generator, and it was the work of Little Johnny who poured the kerosine in the gas tank.
    Way to go Lil Johnny.

    • @thekingsilverado3266
      @thekingsilverado3266 Před 3 měsíci

      Well I admit I have a shop and lots of yard machines here. Every now and then I buy Kero to wash up dirty engine parts. And I managed to get it in my tractor... Had me scratchin my friggin head for an entire month it ran wonky as hell. And then that big fat lightbulb came on in my head...

  • @ScottGovey
    @ScottGovey Před 4 měsíci +71

    I just fixed one of these a couple weeks ago under warranty. Champion sucks for their diagnostics as pin outs ect. Their thing is tell us what part you want and we will send it. Ended up replacing the throttle body which has the computer in it. Fault code for coil circuit open/short. Great vids as always. Also the customer uses it for their food trailer, this exact same unit you shown here powers their entire food trailer, and it had 558hrs on it. Got me an awesome free steak n chicken burrito out of the deal😊

    • @watermanone7567
      @watermanone7567 Před 4 měsíci +8

      I own two Champion Gen sets and have had no issues. Also, I have repaired a few in my shop, usually for stale fuel issues. Wish they had an online seminar on the fuel injected models. Thanks

    • @WJCTechyman
      @WJCTechyman Před 4 měsíci +3

      @@watermanone7567 Champion, if it's as Taryl seems to want to give them a gold medal compared to a rock-solid generator company like Honda who would get a "participant" ribbon, when Honda should be getting the gold and Champion being a runner up position, maybe a bronze. should be sending this training material out at some point. I still find it ironic that Taryl doesn't like PowerMore and yet I haven't had any issues with it running one 420CC unit on a Cub Cadet 28" snow blower commercially for three or four seasons now. It's also funny that Taryl curses PowerMore, likes Champion and they both come out of the same freakin' factory or company (Zongshen) in China.

    • @modoc852
      @modoc852 Před 4 měsíci +3

      So that’s what’s meant by…. There’s your dinner

    • @ScottGovey
      @ScottGovey Před 4 měsíci +8

      @@WJCTechyman champion's training is goto their website and watch their CZcams videos per fault code repairs. The fault code I had was f010 ignition coil circuit short/open. I pulled the coil and bench tested it and it worked fine, champion sent one out, replaced it, still same issue, they have a basic wiring diagram in the owners manual, but since I've been a master automotive technician for yrs I had to make my own pin out and found no circuit ground through the carbon monoxide detector, i had them send me that and a throttle body because i was down to those 2 items. Carbon monoxide detector didn't resolve it, throttle body fixed it. My opinion its just stupid not to offer a proper service manual and or flow chart diagnostics. They are relying on that fault codes to tell them what needs replaced and im sorry i don't care how advanced your diagnostic stuff is, there is always something that sets false codes.

    • @quantumleap359
      @quantumleap359 Před 4 měsíci +1

      ​@@watermanone7567 Is there a way to ensure that there is no fuel left in the system when the generator is put away?

  • @robertturner6249
    @robertturner6249 Před 4 měsíci +7

    Shout out to Mr Camera man. He does a great job.

  • @ghettsumm7949
    @ghettsumm7949 Před 4 měsíci +11

    That Happy Dance had me rollin' Taryl !! Good detective work my Man!

  • @patrickshaw8595
    @patrickshaw8595 Před 4 měsíci +3

    When plastic oil bottles became a thing I began punching 1/16" to 1/8" holes in their caps and using them to squeeze-bottle-feed gas engines with fuel problems. Long ago I noticed that EFI engines that had water/other unburnable crap in their fuel system could >sometimes< be made to pass the bad stuff on through if they could just be bottle-fed for long enough time.
    I caught my grandson having fun squirting charcoal lighter on some charcoal that was already burning well. Gave me the idea to show him how to keep an engine running with a squirt bottle. So now that is my Go-To procedure for any EFI engine that isn't getting fuel.
    I usually choose ten minutes as my time limit. If they don't get going by then I assume the problem is not bad fuel.
    PS - a couple times I found defects in the EFI computer to the effect that if I ran it long enough to get the (Heated or Unheated) Oxygen Sensor generating a signal it would continue to run "closed loop". Once I found a pickup truck that had the wrong fuel pump installed (not enough pressure) this way. The (default initial) Open Loop injector pulses + low pressure weren't enough fuel for it to run on - but when it warmed up and went Closed Loop the computer could lengthen out the pulses and it would run fine up to about 3/4 throttle.

  • @hawkeyemarine
    @hawkeyemarine Před 4 měsíci +10

    gotta keep up with the EPA rules you know the extra problems always is what it stands for.

  • @barrypettit3668
    @barrypettit3668 Před 4 měsíci +4

    I got a Champion and really like it. Wanted a Honda but the same wattage unit was 6x the price.

    • @WJCTechyman
      @WJCTechyman Před 4 měsíci

      Probably for a typical home user, the Champion is just fine. For construction sites, since Honda has a commercial warranty people would choose the Honda.

  • @dandydonslife9869
    @dandydonslife9869 Před měsícem

    Taryl, great job troubleshooting that generator. I learned something thanks.

  • @mjg263
    @mjg263 Před 4 měsíci +22

    Seems like an EFI setup is going to make it a bigger PITA to properly drain all the gas out of the tank and lines for storage. That’s one thing I like about a conventional carb setup, you can drain everything out through the float bowl before it gets put away.

    • @Discretesignals
      @Discretesignals Před 4 měsíci +4

      I don't think so. Just disable the fuel pump and run the engine until it quits. You can also use the fuel pump to drain the fuel tank.

    • @1djbecker
      @1djbecker Před 4 měsíci +2

      This generator will be easier than most to drain. The tank has a drain plug in place of the legacy petcock. Then manufacturer can't just put a petcock and drain hose in its place, since that people would turn mistakenly turn it and create a fuel spill. But the end user could.
      Many carbs *don't* have an easy drain. That's pretty much a Honda and clone feature. Some old carbs had a spring loaded valve intended to drain a few drops of water, more important in the days before E10, but you wouldn't want to drain the system that way.
      A feature of this system is that the fuel system can be partially sealed. The fuel pump can work against a partial vacuum, and the injector can withstand high pressure. The tank vent only needs to open under high vacuum and pressure. The tank for a float bowl carburetor can't allow any significant pressure. Even if a new needle can hold 5 psi, it's not safe to count on a worn needle sealing against a heat-pressurized tank.

    • @darrencurry4429
      @darrencurry4429 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@Discretesignalsthat wouldn’t work because the injector requires the pressure of the pump in order to spray.
      However, what Tyrel did in the video would be the procedure. The disconnecting the line to the fuel injector would remove most of the fuel from the system.

    • @quantumleap359
      @quantumleap359 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@Discretesignals Only problem with that is if the fuel pump is disabled, the electronics may not let the engine run. So many interlocks, safties, etc.

    • @davelowets
      @davelowets Před 4 měsíci

      There's nothing different about draining an EFI system either...
      Empty the tank, start it up, and let it run til it quits...
      Why in the HELL would you just shut the fuel off on a carbed engine, and then drain the bowl? So that you end up with stale gas that you STILL have to drain out of the tank later?? 🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻
      Just do it the PROPER way the first time, and be DONE with it...🤨

  • @tallbrian100
    @tallbrian100 Před 4 měsíci +23

    You can do a paper test. If you put gas on paper it will dry up completely if there is any diesel or kerosene an oily stain will be left.

    • @scrappy7571
      @scrappy7571 Před 4 měsíci +4

      Or dump a little on a clean steel work bench or glass plate, and let it dry. Gas will evaporate, diesel will not evaporate and leave an oily film.

    • @davelowets
      @davelowets Před 4 měsíci

      Your nose WILL tell you MUCH faster than that...

    • @scrappy7571
      @scrappy7571 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Only if it's 100% diesel, if it's a mix, it stinks like gas. @@davelowets

  • @yellowmk116vt
    @yellowmk116vt Před 4 měsíci +6

    I've learned so much watching taryl videos over the years

  • @brianbanks3044
    @brianbanks3044 Před 4 měsíci +11

    the cover-up of the actual offense gives us mechanics a hard time at figuring stuff out...like pouring new oil in an engine after it blows up...or putting gas in a tank after you ran diesel through it etc

    • @quantumleap359
      @quantumleap359 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Yep, it's hard for a knucklehead customer to admit to knuckleheadedness!

    • @MrTheHillfolk
      @MrTheHillfolk Před 4 měsíci

      Yeah its like I'm back in tech training where the instructors bug things and you have to diagnose them.

  • @fredflintstone8048
    @fredflintstone8048 Před 4 měsíci +36

    I couldn't believe the number of wires connected to that fuel injected carb. I think they use the same carb on the space shuttle.

    • @johnfromnj885
      @johnfromnj885 Před 4 měsíci +5

      Replace the EFI system with a carb.

    • @andrewdonohue1853
      @andrewdonohue1853 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@johnfromnj885if you even can

    • @WJCTechyman
      @WJCTechyman Před 4 měsíci +8

      @@johnfromnj885 How 'bout no. The EFI system doesn't have as many headaches as carburetors would. Also, it isn't simply swapping it out, you have to buy a number of parts to retrograde the generator to using a carb again, as there is no mechanical governor, linkages, you have to buy a fuel petcock valve, fuel line, a new panel, probably a new fuel tank and by the time you do that, you may as well just sell this one and buy a carbureted generator. This one had to be fixed because of user neglect. It didn't stop working because of bad fuel (not as much of a problem as it is with a carburetor) it was because some dumbass didn't keep their fuels in the correct containers and put what was in essence diesel fuel, a heavier fuel that needs to be atomized and high heat from high compression to burn, into a lower compression, spark ignition engine. Also, to @fredlinstone8048, the pins run to a microcontroller, basically a very small computer on a chip that runs a stepper motor to turn the butterfly valve and there are probably a few intake sensors there as well. If you look at the exhaust header, there's probably something that senses there as well like on a car engine for emisssions. Now, have you had to take your car in for as much maintenance as say a car from the 70s or earlier? No, because of the reliability of modern injection systems has driven that way down. You don't have to tune the engine, that's done automatically, you don't have to worry much about carbon buildup either due to the way they have streamlined these systems. Granted, a lot of things aren't user serviceable but when you need to fix something it probably won't be the drivetrain systems.

    • @johnfromnj885
      @johnfromnj885 Před 4 měsíci +4

      @@WJCTechyman Ya know what, you're right about the governor linkage. I think, have to check, the governor is there, the linkage is missing. But I stand by my first post in this video. There is no value to putting EFI on small engines.

    • @johnfromnj885
      @johnfromnj885 Před 4 měsíci +6

      @@WJCTechyman Carbs aren't headaches. Maintained correctly, they will run years without a problem, and when they do fail, it's an easy fix. IDK what headaches you're talking about.

  • @FreeTrollCounselingForDummies

    16:50 🤣 !!THERE HE GOES!! 🤣

  • @hazmatmanprovost
    @hazmatmanprovost Před 4 měsíci +26

    Great video, glad to see something about fuel injection. Let's see more if possible with that stuff being more common and coming off warranty

    • @OlivierCaron
      @OlivierCaron Před 4 měsíci +4

      Indeed, as much as I believe fuel injection is superior in pretty much all areas, for the moment I can fix a carb, but I probably cannot fix an injector (and they put a security torx, which I have the bits for, but it probably means that repair shops won't get parts for that anyways).

    • @quantumleap359
      @quantumleap359 Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@OlivierCaron As soon as these become mainstream, the chyna fuel injection components will follow. You can count on it.

  • @jcnpresser
    @jcnpresser Před 4 měsíci +2

    I had a ford fission and it wouldn’t start, crank no start issue. They had issues with pcm ignition coil drivers staying on and melting down the coils, so I found couple of burnt coils and replaced them and the pcm. After waiting forever for a pcm. It til wouldn’t start. Took a fuel sample, did abs ethanol test, passed. I poured a little on the ground to see how it burns, it lit then went out. It has that odd smell to. I suspect diesel, it mixes with gas very well and takes on the same color, where as kerosene is due pink, seems it be more obvious. The crap we run in to, just crazy sometimes! I enjoy watching your videos though, always learn something and entertaining!

  • @Wheel_Horse
    @Wheel_Horse Před 4 měsíci +3

    I believe that 'float bowl' on the bottom is a SERVO MOTOR that controls the throttle.

    • @WJCTechyman
      @WJCTechyman Před 4 měsíci +1

      Well not just a servo under that cover, probably more accurately a stepper motor, gears, intake sensors and possibly a microcontroller.

    • @Wheel_Horse
      @Wheel_Horse Před 4 měsíci

      @@WJCTechyman I would think a microcontroller for sure.

  • @michaelglynn2638
    @michaelglynn2638 Před 4 měsíci +5

    Your olfactory diagnostics equipment got it right! 👍

  • @DarkVegetaman
    @DarkVegetaman Před 4 měsíci +5

    I bought a couple Taryl shirts last year I am impressed with how nice the quality of the shirts and the printing is. Worth the money. The stickers are a lot of fun too lol!

  • @Per409
    @Per409 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Before i finish watching this i'll tell a lil story. I had a gen that would run about a minute and die, after cleaning everything and had good gas flow it still did the same thing. I finally drilled out the gas inlet hole at the needle valve, it worked!!! For some reason there wasn't enough gas to keep the bowl full.

  • @modoc852
    @modoc852 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I remember back a few years ago looking for some information on a 14 hp v twin vanguard with a tapered shaft, ran across one of your videos, thought you were a pot smokin leftover hippie from the UK. Must have timed it when you were talking with a British accent and your dental hygiene looked spot on. I remember being in a hurry and didn’t stick around past the skit, for I was looking for some answers to my problem. Now I have subscribed and am always looking for new videos no matter how corny the acting, the truth is I know you know sumshit and watching a left handed person work on stuff is like listening to a guest speaker with a speech impediment you tend to pay closer attention. I worked on electrical stuff for John Q. Public throughout the years and they can be a fickle lot and after several years of building up a reputation they stop trying to fool you because they know you’ll figure out they screwed up. Well anyhoo thanks for being unique and entertaining.

  • @robertmorin6495
    @robertmorin6495 Před 4 měsíci

    Good one Taryl. The nose knows.

  • @jimg8218
    @jimg8218 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Taryl NOSE his stuff 😃

  • @BearE9090
    @BearE9090 Před 4 měsíci +7

    I had the same problem with my neighbors' snowblower and 2 backpack blowers. Fortunately, they told me they had put diesel in them, which was an easy fix.

  • @petertothpete6518
    @petertothpete6518 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Great vid brother! I just so happened to wake up Saturday morning to no power. Drug the old Troy-Bilt 8500W/15hp Briggs out from under the bench and it fired on the first pull on 18 month old non ethanol+Sta-Bil. I know you don't care for Sta-Bil (I did watch that series), but it's worked for me.

  • @huntnfishnuts5880
    @huntnfishnuts5880 Před 4 měsíci +19

    Pretty interesting, I work on overcomplicated fuel injected vehicles every day and now see that small engines are following the same path. At least its throttle body injected and not direct injected yet.

    • @zefautino
      @zefautino Před 4 měsíci +8

      Stihl has a CHAINSAW with fuel injection. A mf CHAINSAW...

    • @huntnfishnuts5880
      @huntnfishnuts5880 Před 4 měsíci +4

      Yeah no thanks they can keep it

    • @albinklein7680
      @albinklein7680 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@zefautinothat chainsaw also has Bluetooth....

    • @zefautino
      @zefautino Před 4 měsíci

      @@albinklein7680 FFS, has stihl partnered with lidl to sell parkshit?

    • @davelowets
      @davelowets Před 4 měsíci

      They'll have to get to port injection before they go full direct injection uet

  • @LordGeyBoi
    @LordGeyBoi Před 2 měsíci

    My family has been a big Honda fan for a long time, but when it came to a generator my dad has always had a Champion since I was little. Still going strong today

  • @EdwardCrews-rz7yz
    @EdwardCrews-rz7yz Před 12 dny

    Needs a new battery haha. Love your show keep it up.

  • @williambrandenburg1196
    @williambrandenburg1196 Před 4 měsíci +14

    Another great video Taryl! Starting a small engine business this year, love your content. Been a mechanic for over 30 years and I always learn something new on your videos. I live in N.W. Alabama, but I was born and spent a lot of my childhood not far from you in Winchester, In. Keep up the great work!

  • @bryanyoung9482
    @bryanyoung9482 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Believe the throttle body housing has the ecu built into the bottom im thinking also since its fuel injected it should have a mass air flow sensor or manifold sensor to measure the air flow for fuel mapping? Can someone explain if I'm worng on this thanks.

  • @sgnt9337
    @sgnt9337 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Interesting video. Kudos to your camera operator!

  • @mike.4277
    @mike.4277 Před 4 měsíci

    I sees you have a John Deere 318 in the shop. I love the 318. Great video

  • @Andrew-er5cf
    @Andrew-er5cf Před 4 měsíci +4

    As always, great info.
    Well done.

  • @rickvan102
    @rickvan102 Před 4 měsíci +1

    It's people like them that keep people like you in business.

  • @williamjensen4531
    @williamjensen4531 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Thanks for the video!!!

  • @bc65925
    @bc65925 Před 4 měsíci +2

    I have a real nice quiet Champion 3500 for my camper that I really like. Best thing about it is it has a remote starter so when you get up in the morning you don't have to put on your skivvies before starting the coffee. Just hit the remote. They have the same generator in dual fuel, gas/propane however it doesn't have the remote starter. Plus it only weighs a little over 100lb so I can load it in my truck easy enough.

    • @MrTheHillfolk
      @MrTheHillfolk Před 4 měsíci

      Im a gen tech and i have one of those 3500s, I got it for like 125$ and no doubt it's super quiet.
      I know it's not going to last forever, but it's ok.
      When my power is out ,I'm on the road anyway fixing other people's stuff.
      I've left it running for around 10-12hrs straight while I'm out and it's good enough.
      Probably not a bad idea to get an extra voltage regulator and/or some brushes for it though.

  • @brianbanks3044
    @brianbanks3044 Před 4 měsíci +2

    when you said it "smelt" funny, first thing I thought was diesel fuel.....I will watch to the end now

    • @WJCTechyman
      @WJCTechyman Před 4 měsíci

      Well, kerosene and Diesel aren't totally different, they are a heavier fuel than gasoline and you could fuel a Diesel engine with kerosene and you can use kerosene, Diesel or fuel oil in your oil burning furnace or water boiler.

  • @stevenmay8763
    @stevenmay8763 Před 4 měsíci +5

    Im a small engine shade tree machanic and have been since i was like 5 or 6 years ago and im autistic and 19 years old now and i love your videos

    • @joshmanis9860
      @joshmanis9860 Před 4 měsíci

      Oh look some who is also autistic! Me too! I’m 17

    • @WJCTechyman
      @WJCTechyman Před 4 měsíci

      My story is similar to yours, I was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome (the apparently old way of saying it) and enjoy working on anything that is electro-mechanical technology from computer systems, home electrical, computer networking, small engines, power tools and small appliances.
      There are some other channels you should check out when it comes to small engines. Mustie1 is just an average guy who likes to tinker mostly with small engine equipment but he also dabbles in other things and larger engines like that seen on cars and tractors. Chickanic is a really good resource in her own right when it comes to small engines, particularly anything that's wearable or handheld. Donyboy73 has some concise how-to videos dating back over a decade on his channel and he was one of the first I started watching. Steve's Small Engine Saloon is another great resource, 805roadking and his friends tend to tinker with and modify a number of small engines into an assortment of projects including an inline 4 cylinder engine made of a bunch of old Briggs and Stratton single cylinder units. Also Chargermiles007 has made some of his own unique systems out of old Briggs engine blocks as well.

  • @ProPartsDirectNet
    @ProPartsDirectNet Před 4 měsíci +1

    Great video!

  • @DconBlueZ
    @DconBlueZ Před 4 měsíci

    Thanks for the video, I usually learn something and always enjoy watching!

  • @martyisabeliever
    @martyisabeliever Před 4 měsíci +1

    Nice moves Taryl...

  • @DugatDizzyLizzys
    @DugatDizzyLizzys Před 4 měsíci

    Hi Taryl & Co.
    I've found diesel, engine oil, and even screen wash in fuel tanks 😮

  • @howardthurman3617
    @howardthurman3617 Před 4 měsíci

    Awesome video. Thank you.

  • @elsdp-4560
    @elsdp-4560 Před 4 měsíci

    Thank you for sharing.👍

  • @user-yj7yn4fi4l
    @user-yj7yn4fi4l Před 4 měsíci +3

    There's my Dinner? Not even had breakfast yet. 🥞

  • @ericwilner1403
    @ericwilner1403 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Interesting!
    My guess, at the fuel-smells-funny point, was that someone had filled the yellow tank from a yellow can, because obviously. Filling it from the blue can? That's a next-level oopsie.

  • @jopo6388
    @jopo6388 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Love my Hondas...they always start

  • @timp5132
    @timp5132 Před 4 měsíci

    Way to go Carol !

  • @scottfirman
    @scottfirman Před 4 měsíci +2

    I remember when Polaris introduced their first fully electronic EFI snowmobile. I was hip deep in snowmobile repair at the time. I had already commented on the fact the electronics would probably fail due to the nature of the environment they were expecting the electronics to operate in. My predictions came true as I suspected. The electronics couldn't handle the climate and were not properly potted, nor insulated enough for the conditions they were expected to run in. Now they of course, have it perfected. In the beginning, the electronics would fail in short order. The EFI system was a nightmare. My opinion was that they rushed this into production without proper long-term testing. At the time, I was attending the Snowmobile manufacturers open house in Grayling MI, and they would ask us mechanics our experiences on what worked and what didn't. I met many decent people in the industry and was amazed at how much the industry valued our input. Unlike the other small engine manufacturers that just pump out scrap and we get to pick up the pieces.

    • @davelowets
      @davelowets Před 4 měsíci

      That was just RETARDED on Polaris' end.
      Automobiles have had EFI electronics in them for DECADES that has been nothing but reliable.
      There's NO reason that Polaris couldn't have made their electronics reliable

    • @scottfirman
      @scottfirman Před 4 měsíci

      @davelowets They rushed it into production was the biggest issue. Had they consulted those working in the industry, they would have known what was bound to happen. I remember a couple mechanics saying the potting material was actually cracking from the cold. Vibration was also a huge issue on that first year. I saw a huge disconnect with Polaris and their consumers that year. They learned from it.

  • @andysukosd8177
    @andysukosd8177 Před 4 měsíci +7

    You are the man ! Thank you for teaching us ! I personally have learned much from you, you have saved me so much aggravation. I appreciate you !

  • @NovaBill6264
    @NovaBill6264 Před 4 měsíci

    Awesome video God Bless you and your family

  • @BKD70
    @BKD70 Před 4 měsíci +1

    In my best Maxwell Smart voice: "AH, the old Diesel Fuel in the gas tank trick, huh?"
    I've got 2 Champion generators, a 3200 watt inverter and a 3500 watt conventional open frame, and they've been great. I installed an external tank extended run system on the inverter genny, it's run 3 days nonstop several times now and it doesn't miss a beat. I've needed to use their customer service a couple of times too for a few different items (bought a wheel kit for the 3500 open frame, and it had the fuel tank vent "tipover valve" broken when I opened the box so they sent me a replacement, and I requested a high altitude jet kit and an extra remote start fob for the inverter) and every time I have been 100% satisfied with Champion. I've seen a number of people online really bashing on Champion's customer service, but I'd bet good money that 99% of those folks bring it on themselves, truth be told.

    • @brnmcc01
      @brnmcc01 Před 4 měsíci

      They haven't tried Honda's customer service lol, Champion is night and day difference.

  • @mph5896
    @mph5896 Před 4 měsíci +6

    I would love a Honda generator like that. I am not willing to spend the $5500 plus sales tax on one though. I'll run the $1k China ones 6x for the cost of that Honda.

    • @vg3430
      @vg3430 Před 4 měsíci

      Be fair. The $5500 Honda you mention would be an inverter generator, this Champion is not. But on a much more important issue….you admit you would have to run 6 of these generators to one Honda. That would be the same money spent in the end while going through the hassle of replacing your generator 6 times and generating 6x the waste…help me understand this logic.

    • @mph5896
      @mph5896 Před 4 měsíci

      @@vg3430 no guarantee on how long either will last. The Honda could be obsolete in 1-10 years if a part breaks and they don’t make that part anymore. The champion could run a year, a decade or who knows how long.
      My current $800 generator has been running fine/reliably for the past 6 years. Only used for power outages. I did have to put a carb on it due to running ethanol fuel and letting it sit 6 months.

  • @Username751a
    @Username751a Před 4 měsíci

    Man, that Dactyl sure got the moves. I wish I could dance like that.

  • @kevinroberts9394
    @kevinroberts9394 Před 4 měsíci

    Best part of honda is auto idle 2nd best part is they normally start on the first pull and the 3rd best part is they are normally quiter than the competition if I found a competitor that had the same features I would try them because they would probably be 40% cheaper but they would need to offer all the same features. I see the competitors are getting better all the time but my honda has yet to have a hiccup and it's almost 30 years old I always shut the gas off and run it till it dies when I am done with it and only run ethanol free gas in it and I change the oil 2 to 3 times a year based on usage

  • @petepeabody8905
    @petepeabody8905 Před 4 měsíci +1

    WOW what a mistake on a very expensive piece of equipment. Great job Taryl

  • @donaldfranklinjr7087
    @donaldfranklinjr7087 Před 4 měsíci

    Great video taryl fixes 😎

  • @user-no8mv4tw8j
    @user-no8mv4tw8j Před 4 měsíci +2

    This is so cool to see transparent warranty work

    • @WJCTechyman
      @WJCTechyman Před 4 měsíci +4

      Since it was user neglect, the warranty won't cover that.

    • @quantumleap359
      @quantumleap359 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@WJCTechyman AND - because they didn't tell Taryl "the rest of the story", the labor charge will be doubled! hahaha

  • @michaelshin69
    @michaelshin69 Před 4 měsíci

    Your love for sniffing made me laugh. Subscribed❤

  • @ramonabigelow8860
    @ramonabigelow8860 Před 4 měsíci

    Green Industry Pro said you will go viral one day and I don't doubt that for a minute. My favorite video and what lured me in years ago was the small engine repair school one with the gorilla, and various other oddities. You only had about 1K subscribers and maybe 3K views, but I loved it and will be a fan until you no longer need to do this. In reference to this video, never leave any fuel more than 3 months in a Champion carb, always burn it out and drain fuel, But, otherwise they are good quality for Chinese sourced equipment and replacement carbs OEM are very reasonable.

  • @Hubjeep
    @Hubjeep Před 4 měsíci

    7:59 Best tool!

  • @chatrkat
    @chatrkat Před 4 měsíci +4

    Interesting test, and information how to clear a fuel problem when working on a small EFI engine. Thanks Taryl! Based on my personal experiences, EFI works well and seems to be very reliable on small engines. I had a 26 hp EFI Kohler with a ton of hours that never gave me any issues. The 37 hp EFI Vanguard I have now on the newer mower has been equally as perfect, for a the 4 years I’ve owned it. It’s my understanding those two engines use a slightly different EFI system but both ran perfectly even when cold. That stated a carbitrator is still simpler to fix.

    • @brnmcc01
      @brnmcc01 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Not really, a fuel injector is pretty simple to unplug and replace, and less fiddly than trying to find a rebuild kit for a chinese carb. As far as reliability goes, cars have been fuel injected since about 1986. My Dad has one of the last Toyotas with a carb, a 1985 Toyota Tercel. Engine has been rebuilt 3x, but still has the original carbitrator on it.

    • @thomasdunaway2573
      @thomasdunaway2573 Před 4 měsíci

      @@brnmcc01 actually fuel injection was available on old corvettes 58 maybe?

  • @brnmcc01
    @brnmcc01 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Taryl, I got one of those Champion suitcase 2500 watt Champion's based on your prev advice on one of the Honda generator videos I think. It's one of those dual fuel inverter units, and I got a 20lb BBQ tank for it. So far after 5-6 hours of using it, the tank is still about 3/4 full, I weighed the tank when it was new before and after. They advertise 34 hours of running time on one tank with a small load, but I think they only put 15lbs of LP gas in it, based on the stamped tank tare weight, so about 24 hrs is more like it based on what I've used so far. Anyway it seems like a good unit, nice little carb, and puts out perfect 120v and 60 Hz. Snagged it off the ol Scamazon on sale was like $400. Much cheaper than the Honda which is only like 2200 watts.
    I don't run gas in it, don't want the headache of stale fuel, propane never goes stale, tank will rust out before that happens. The carb does have a nice 1/8" clear vinyl drain hose from the carb bowl tho, and a simple Philips screw to loosen to drain the gas for storage. It even came with a cute little funnel to make it easy to add oil.

  • @jeffpiatt3879
    @jeffpiatt3879 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Taryl, I love your videos! Little note, here. That Ball brand mason jar is no longer made. Hang onto it. It may become worth something. Reminded me of watching Mom canning fruit, long ago.

  • @XCRiders
    @XCRiders Před 4 měsíci

    Awesome thank you

  • @georgiabandit1321
    @georgiabandit1321 Před 4 měsíci

    That's what's bad working on something you don't know what they put in it ko or diesel.thanks for the videos

  • @agostinodibella9939
    @agostinodibella9939 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Nice job Taryl! I remember you said something didn’t smell right!

    • @calvinmientke3539
      @calvinmientke3539 Před 4 měsíci

      It is better than saying, "I smell something awful" followed by, "yes, you do" :)

    • @quantumleap359
      @quantumleap359 Před 4 měsíci

      @@calvinmientke3539 Ha!

  • @claytonsimplot9554
    @claytonsimplot9554 Před 4 měsíci

    Nice Macarena victory dance. It makes detective work funner. Magnum p.i. would be impressed.

  • @duanedale2505
    @duanedale2505 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Sometimes you have to put a bit of the fuel on the cement floor then throw a match in it to see if it flash fires. Occasionally someone would put some diesel in a gas tank or vis versa by mistake, sure did make engines run poor

  • @alfredocuomo1546
    @alfredocuomo1546 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Well two things come to mind watching the video. first injectors usually run with 43.5 psi from the fuel pump & it also looked like the volume was low. So in the future I guess you will need to start testing fuel pump pressure when trouble shooting fuel issues with injector systems. I guess you could use a hydrometer to test if you have pure gas or a Mixture by specific Gravity of the mixture, or in your case the smell test because as you said they do smell different. Nice Catch TFA.

  • @larrykluckoutdoors8227
    @larrykluckoutdoors8227 Před 4 měsíci

    Nice fix

  • @richschaff5504
    @richschaff5504 Před 4 měsíci +7

    Any EFI should have a fuel pressure test port

  • @jerryschneider145
    @jerryschneider145 Před 4 měsíci +2

    I'll still take my 40 year old , belt drive, Honda generator.

  • @jdmccorful
    @jdmccorful Před 4 měsíci

    Live and learn! Gooden! Thanks.

  • @steveharris795
    @steveharris795 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Happy new years

  • @pyrog.c.c89
    @pyrog.c.c89 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Good job Taryl.🇺🇲

  • @fruitinspector6111
    @fruitinspector6111 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I haven’t read through your comments to see if somebody else has stated it yet but, if you go on a site that sells Champion and read reviews for this exact model, you’ll find that there is a problem with the sine wave output that gets the total harmonic distortion above 5%, closer to 10-15%, which in a lot of cases for some people cause havoc with the items they are trying to run off this generator and therefore the generator is not suited for that operation. It doesn’t openly state that in their specifications, unless you get deep into the manual, according to one reviewer.
    I’ll bet you don’t have that problem with the Honda setup.

  • @JosephTaverna-sm3uk
    @JosephTaverna-sm3uk Před 4 měsíci +1

    Very good video my friend you are the man I agree it's not a good idea to keep it running with starter fuel God Bless You And the Crew and there's your dinner💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

    • @dagrote1
      @dagrote1 Před 4 měsíci +1

      I'm thinking maybe a spray bottle with gas in it would be the first resort with a fuel delivery issue. That way if you get it running, you can keep spraying gas into the venturi for as long as you need.

  • @eddieellis677
    @eddieellis677 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Good catch on the fuel. I was guessing it had a carbon monoxide defector going crazy.

  • @CompetentSalesUSA
    @CompetentSalesUSA Před 4 měsíci

    Thank you

  • @mikegage4933
    @mikegage4933 Před 4 měsíci

    I was always losing nuts by bumping my worktable/bench until I saw you use a magnetic bowl on a video. I invested in a few of them to put around the shop and haven't lost a nut or screw for a LONG time. Not the purpose of this video but was reminded of a lesson/resource gained as you were removing the electronic carbonator. Thanks!

    • @thomasleary1807
      @thomasleary1807 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Yup, losing your nuts by bumping into a table can be painful.

    • @mikegage4933
      @mikegage4933 Před 4 měsíci

      @@thomasleary1807 LOL - ouch!

  • @mikep1085
    @mikep1085 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I see a new shirt coming to the Taryl store... "Thats why you gotta be a Lawnmower Detective!" HAHA!

  • @alanbiller723
    @alanbiller723 Před 4 měsíci

    Good job

  • @darellsunderlin4670
    @darellsunderlin4670 Před 4 měsíci

    It almost started just before you stopped and gave it that last shot of fart !! Watch and listen on your video 😊

  • @mrbrown6421
    @mrbrown6421 Před 4 měsíci

    Shop Rules:
    1) Never believe or trust the customer.
    2) Drain all gas from everything.
    3) Remove plug and turn engine over to eject whatever should NOT be in there.
    4) etc etc..
    WELL DONE SIR!

  • @thekingsilverado3266
    @thekingsilverado3266 Před 3 měsíci

    Y'all just gotta love some of this new machinery they come out with all sorts of bolt sizes... 3/8th is too big 10mm too small what friggin size is it or did my socket shrink from being in my pocket??? I mean I favor Craftsman tractors. 3/8th thru 9/16th you can just about take the whole machine apart.

  • @ClickinChicken
    @ClickinChicken Před 4 měsíci

    Didn't get a notification. I heard people talking about this, never believed it, until only recently have I noticed it This instance and another channel. You look like Richard Simmons dancing.. LOL I think I understand. Thanks Taryl.

  • @JohnR9965
    @JohnR9965 Před 4 měsíci +5

    With the keen sense of smell the Dactyl sniffs out the problem....problem solved

  • @Traderjoe
    @Traderjoe Před 4 měsíci

    I suspected that too and also assumed that the fuel injectors were clogged

  • @karlphilipp9273
    @karlphilipp9273 Před 4 měsíci

    This happened to a person I used to work with. Told me it was running. Was going to take it back to home depot because there was something wrong with it would not run.He had just put fuel in it. I asked him where's the gas can, Pointed to a yellow can of diesel fuel. Open the gas tank and sure enough was full of diesel. The other way I could tell was pulled the spark plug to check for spark and when I pulled it over this oily mist sprayed out of the spark plug hole. Definitely knew it wasn't gas.

  • @user-rv2yk7cu1y
    @user-rv2yk7cu1y Před 4 měsíci

    Very good, i like it

  • @chriswagner6310
    @chriswagner6310 Před 4 měsíci

    Stop it you guys you're cracking me up already😅😅😅😅😅😅

  • @antoniomarc7174
    @antoniomarc7174 Před 4 měsíci

    Hmm 🤔 interesting I’m really wondering what made this customer put the wrong fuel in this, but anyhow it made for a great video…thanks for sharing. 👍👍👍

  • @rbrtgreenland6786
    @rbrtgreenland6786 Před 4 měsíci

    Taryl I don't about where your at here in southeast texas our 87 octane gas often smells like diesel I tell everyone to run the 89 octane instead because it's better and more in its rating. Have fun

  • @anthonybendl8125
    @anthonybendl8125 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Help me understand the necessity of efi on a generator or any small engine?

  • @JamesBakerOhio
    @JamesBakerOhio Před 4 měsíci +4

    Poor choice of color for that tank, all my #2 cans are the same yellow, could just imagine the wife filling the yellow tank on the generator with the yellow gas can.

  • @thomascorbey7612
    @thomascorbey7612 Před 4 měsíci

    Love the videos

  • @Cookiegrabber-
    @Cookiegrabber- Před 4 měsíci +3

    Nevermind this new stuff, what’s going on with the Allis B-12?

  • @ElainesDomain
    @ElainesDomain Před 4 měsíci

    Finally. Someone puts out a full zipper hoodie. Thanks Taryl.