Oh No! This Obsolete Engine has NO SPARK. What Do We Do?
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- čas přidán 14. 10. 2023
- In "Mower Graveyard", Taryl tackles this obsolete Onan engine on this old Toro Wheel Horse tractor. It lost spark and rather than try to guess as to what could have went out, Taryl's going to replace the whole ignition system to ensure it'll be running like new again. There's a lot to know about coils, trigger modules and the magnetic ring in order to get spark, and Taryl's gonna go over all that in this here video.
Before and After the fix, East Coast Anthony isn't ready to give up on his favorite Lawn Boy mower. After receiving a tip from a creepy, smelly old man about a Mower Graveyard that brings dead mowers back to life, he can't help but give it a shot. What could go wrong right? A lot. As Taryl's 2023 Halloween how-to series continues with... Mower Graveyard.
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So I have a Lincoln welder generator at work because I’m a small engine mechanic that has no spark at all. We just ordered the exact same kit that replaces all of the ignition components and it still does not make spark I have checked and it’s getting a good 12 V all the wiring’s right and it came in originally with no Sparken well even after all the new components it’s still not making spark I’ve checked grounds I’ve been through a lot on that thing
are the flywheel magnets strong? are they free from rust? @@trentmulford9832
Taryl, it's people like you who keep the country and economy running. Fixing and maintaining things are more important than many people think.
Well said
Since when does mowing some grass, and maybe moving some snow equoate to "keeping the country and the economy" going?
Litmus test. Entire country stops mowing their grass. What happens to the country? What happens to the economy?
WOW. So cool that Taryl chose my 520h for a video! : )
I have a good working 520h that is my primary mower that has 940 hours on it. I found this other one, non running, with 1600 hours on it and thought it would be good to have as a parts machine. But it was in a lot better condition overall than my original 520h so decided to take it to Taryls to see if he could fix it. He was not too enthusiastic about working on it, for all the reasons he relates in this video, but he agreed to do it. Elkskins found the parts I needed to order on Fleabay and I ordered them. Then after they came in, dropped them off at the shop. Hadn't heard from Taryl since then and was going to call him next week and see if he got anywhere with it and low and behold, I discover it's the subject of todays TFA video! : )
They grow up so fast!
That's awesome. He's the man.
That Toro is a nice looking machine. I would use one for grass cutting and the other for pushing snow.
And now that 520h has numismatic value !!
I like the longer wheel base but those small front tires, not so much
Fixing vintage gear is always a challenge. At the same time, it's nice to revive a machine that can be revived.
I'm a retired auto mechanic and have watched alot of your vids over the years and this was a very interesting repair. I will save this one under mower repair as this is my retirement hobby. You're the best Taryl!!!
That's a later Onan than what I worked on. They were used on Fairmont motor cars used for track inspecting. Points box easy to work on. Fuel pump mounted right on top easy to work on. Adjustable oil pressure. Carb mounted on top, easy to work on. Very reliable. All that crap packed into that tractor must be a pain to work on. Newer, bigger, better? Not so much. P.S. I have a CCK Onan on my mid '60's Miller welder/generator that still runs great. Easiest carb there is to rebuild. Thanks Taryl. Don't let them bury that Lawn Boy!
I also have 2 welder generators with old CCK’s and I love them. Real tough engines that run forever. Real pieces of art compared to the cheap aluminum Briggs and tecumsehs
@@bwood282I use mine for a backup power generator for my house. I've used it for farm welding and it runs 7018 and 6011 great. I drain the tank and run the gas out of it in the spring and charge the battery in the fall. It's a great machine. I had one on my mechanics truck back in the 80's so when one came up for sale I snapped it up. The only thing I don't like about it is it doesn't have the idle down after running a bead.
@@ralphwatten2426 exactly, that’s the only thing mine lacks is the auto idle up. I outfitted mine with a full size car battery so I just run it every month for a bit to charge it up and I run ethanol free gas so the gas stays fresh for a while and I’m good to go. I’m currently rebuilding a 1957 CCK for an old Westinghouse generator/welder and it’s coming along nicely. You could tell it’s an old farm machine because on the outside she’s beat but actually a low hours machine and the engine has great bones
This is HILARIOUS!!!! Really well done. "No! You mustn't go there! Even though it's just across the street next to the tree..."
yep, he came out of character a few seconds for that. lol so funny.
A parody of Stephen King's Pet Cemetery.
I know, right?!! These guys are so fricken hilarious....always a blast watching their shows. Slippers is a hoot, as is Junior playing the part of Vinny?? .....not sure of his name. But funny as hell !!!
You boys ain’t right,but me and my Pops loves you all !
I had the same coil failure on a JD 420. I found the Cummins dealer that works on RV generators had what I needed. Not cheap, but they had it and a replacement carburetor " Nickey six" a few years later.
The starter issue can be resolved with a JD relay kit. I have had that mower since 96' I probably will never get rid of it.
Thanks Taryl, you make the best small engine repair videos. I've learned a lot from watching them and have been doing my own repairs on my equipment.
Love these old Onans.
Yes, my local small engine shop, Garys place outta Hope MI said replace it all same time. Thanks for making this video!!!
I had an old Sears from the early 70s with a Onan, the guy used it for decades to mow 5 acres, plow his driveway, plus pull his lawn cart around to mulch his flower bed, pick up limbs etc. The hour clock stopped at 4300 hours a couple years ago, always used castrol oil. I plowed snow for 3 years, it sat a couple years and a guy uses it to mow an acre with it. Never did anything except change plugs,belts and front tires that i know of
Awesome video Taryl. I first learned to work on small engines when my grandfather gave me an old crapsman garden tractor with the 20hp Onan. Clutch bearing went out and quit running. He left the tractor on which fried the ignition. After replacing all ignition parts it was a sweet sweet sound of hearing that old Onan running again. Love your videos. Keep up the good work.
I agree I’m not a fan of the newer Onans like the P series, but the old CCK cast iron Onan flat twins are some of my favorite engines ever. They actually have a stroke that measure longer than the bore diameter, something very rare these days in small engines. While that means they don’t like to rev much past the 3600 RPM factory rated speed they make excellent torque and it’s hard to find any attachment used in any conditions that’ll make one lug down. They had the points and condenser ignition so no worries about trigger modules burning up and the standard 12V “beer can” coil for them is cheap and easy to get. Then seeing old lawn-boy with the capstan drive self propel was cool , they’re some of the toughest mowers out there, IMO the F engine lawn boys with the later model 3 speed belt drive self-propel are the best mowers ever made. OMC sure knew how to make 2 strokes.
I had a fleet of four Sears Roper Onan-powered tractors for many years. I had the tiller and snowblower too. thankfully, I did not have the engine problems you did-please don't bury the Lawn Boy-they really were awesome mowers-my Dad used them for 40 years-thanks as always for the great videos, guys!
I have that exact Lawn Boy in my to do pile in the backyard. I checked to make sure mine was not missing. Mine might live again, I hope so. I have never had a LB two stoke, but a neighbor growing up wouldn’t buy anything else. He was a lawn fanatic. AOC doesn’t want us to have two stoke equipment, or gas equipment of any kind. That is why I am going to make sure mine lives again. Where in Podunk is that cemetery?
Terrific Chapter! Our old Wheel Horse 520 H/Onan with 1,500 hours was still working in 2012 but using a lot of oil while mowing the pasture at full throttle. Got a new Toro Time Cutter with Kawasaki OHV (and vertical shaft) V-Twin, a real work horse. Your video has inspired me to resurrect the old side-valve Toro/Onan still sitting in the shed, a fine garden tractor but as you say, hard to get parts. Thank You Taryl for your great videos, they have soul and they ring true! Did you ever notice what those 5 little holes at the top of the carburetor throat are for? When you turn the key, liquid fuel shoots out of them, giving a rich mixture and the engine starts right up every time. Clever!
Your videos always help😊. Thanks for sharing this information with us .
Thank you for sharing the adventure ! Ity always something, especially old Onans ....
Thanks Taryl, another great video. Learn something new every time you post! Good stuff. Never ever thought a permanent magnet would go bad.
On the really old tractors with self-contained magnetos, people actually recharge the magnets using a big electromagnet. Maybe newer magnets in flywheels aren't subject to loss of power?
you kill me, love watching how you do this and keep a good humor at the same time.
You are very correct about prices on obsolete equipment. Got a Onan B48M from 1982. Carb is $1057.00. There are guys that restore these. I still use mine regularly.
I love those Onans have a few on welders and Case Ingersoll tractor.
Nothing like the sound of an Onan!! They are well worth fixing up.
Taryl I bought carburetors online for $17.00 verses $104.00 and it comes preadjusted. Only had trouble with one, and they gave me my $17.00 back, and told me to keep it. Also bought ignition kit it came with a plug, wire and electronic control, which were also very cheap and haven't had any problems. Also found a muffler for $24.00 online, OEM Price was $112.00. I got the rider mower for free. Adjusted the valves, which were way out of adjustment. So, it probably cost me no more than $60.00. And watching you do what you do is a big help. I am a retired car and ambulance mechanic. Thank you, Taryl, also those comic skits you do are funny as hell.
Those old lawn boys made by Outboard Marine Corporation were great mowers
I have a JD 318 that had an Onan engine like Taryl's. I had one of the same problems, a valve seat came loose. The engine was tired and the price of parts to rebuild it was too high so I did repower it. Now it has a Honda V-twin and runs great! Totally worth the extra money for the added HP and reliability.
Awesome an onan! Not alot of videos on onans ive got a. 416h i that has spark issues i think ill try this definitely if they have this kit for it! Thanks Taryl!
You have some serious patience man. The only Onan stuff that I've ever seen has been on the RV generators.
Different ignition system and one to watch for. Good info. Great video y'all 👍
Thanks Taryl I had welded with a Onan engine on it, made by Studebaker motors it was fun too.
I learned a lot by watching your videos. Thank you.
I never thought Onan was a good motor. I have seen a lot of issues with them myself on bucket trucks and enclosed trailers that used them for power. Even when new, there were issues due to weather or mechanical/electrical problems that even repair shops couldn't fix for any extended length of time. Great video though as always!!!!
I have the exact same engine that runs pretty good. Now i know what to do if i ever have a ignition problem!Thanks
My onan is the only onan I've ever seen on a mower. It was on a old weed eater brand mower. I took it off and put it on my hustler 60 zero turn. Great engine. Pain the ass to work on
I love using your videos to help fall asleep. Since I have tinitus (constant ringing in my ears)
Thank you for sharing.👍
Very nice video Taryl and company! I look forward to the next awesome fix!
Yep! My P model Onan's electronic ign went bad too. Replaced it and it fired right up.
Great video. I have an B43M Onan in my 1982 Case 446.
Sorry 4 u
Love mine. I also have a B43m in my 77' 446. Does yours have an oil filter? I must have the only one without one lol.
No oil filter on mine. I think about 83/84/85 engines changed and had the oil filter.
Thanks for your comment. 👋👋👍🏻👍🏻
Sounds like Onan engines age just like humans! The older they get, the more things go wrong. Eventually they cost you a fortune to fix, and replacement parts are hard to get...🙂
Yeah, especially those 'reproductive' parts that seem to stop working when we hit 80 years old......
East Coast Anthony's wig made wolf spit coffee across the room 😆 I'll send you the bill 😊
Great video! Awesome info! i Love watching your videos! :)
Nice work Taryl! A belated Happy Birthday to Slippers!
I wish I saw this 2 months ago. I sold my 520h becasue of no spark. Great video
I have a 416 with the onan. Keep the shroud clear and don't idle them keep that fan spinning.
Competitors don't last long enough to have the problems the Onan has.😮
Those old 2 cycle lawn boys were the best towers ever built i wished they still made them
I used one at work for 35 years. I retired, and the mower is still going. No oil to change and magnesium deck that never rusts. The only thing you'll wear out is the wheels.
If you are mowing up and down Hills and Ditch Banks, you must a a 2 Stroke...
Those old Lawn Boys are collectors items.
I love my old 2 stroke Lawn-Boys. Beast of a mower and lasts forever, literally
Yes, I have used Small Engine Warehouse many times. Great company. Love y'all's videos, you are the reason I started making videos. Thank you all for all the hard work y'all have done over the years.
I used Taryl’s method of removing flywheels to get the pulley off a slasher gearbox. The pulley has 6 x C section sheaves and would weigh about 20kgs. The shaft is tapered and is 60mm at the top of the taper so it is all fairly big. I used some splitting wedges between the housing and the pulley and hit the end of the pinion shaft, with the thread protected with the nut, with a 10lb sledge hammer. It came off easily. Thanks Taryl, you helped me big time. The machine is not a lawn mower but it still cuts grass about 12ft at a time. Jeff
I have that exact same tractor with the same engine and runs great ours has that tiller on the back and is the best thing for the garden love to find a mower deck blade and blower for it some day
Great skit and great vlog on that repair…👍👍👍
I had a not-dissimilar experience with my 318. Just one thing after another. They were really neat little tractors. Last time I got it all fixed, I gave it a cosmetic restoration and sold it. It was a nice showpiece, but I don't think it would ever be a serviceable tractor again.
I didn't know there were issues with Onans. Always wanted one!
Always wondered what used a 9/32nd nut bolt thanks Be blessed
love this ch been here from the start !!! leak master plumbing
I've had my H-520 since 1989 and wouldn't think about buy anything else. This junk they are selling at the big box stores and super hardware stores are Chinese junk. Even these new B@S engines are assembled in the US with Chinese parts. I'm glad Taryl showed the new mod on the H-20 Onan. I'll pick one of those kits up for future use. Thanks Taryl for your effort.
Always love to see the skits.
You got lucky with that self tapping screw. It almost pierced the wire bundle when you ran it through to make the hole.
Who else was saying put a rag in that carburetor please? Thanks for the info in the knowledge I've learned so much from your videos thank you Taryl and the crew.
this is such good content, your going places man! i love the style and vibe
yup i have 1975 case 446 it had Onen 2 cyl and used in winter as well had motor all tuned up in fall and in winter 1 cylinder would fade in and out, i couldnt trust it the next year i repowered it with a Krowler!! best move i made
Every time I see or think Onan, I think Wheel Horse and the photos in the catalogs with the vertical blower shrouds showing themselves outside the hood. So glad I have my 1988 JD 260 with Kawasaki FC540V.
Yeah, IMO the blower shrouds facing out looks cool, but creates a problem. When mowing with my 520h, I have to stop every 15 min or so, to brush all the grass clippings and leaves off that grill as it has such strong suction, it clogs up easily, reducing the air intake to keep the engine cool. It's a huge flaw IMO. WH should have made some sort of L shaped cover to put over it so it sucks air from the top of the hood.
A few years ago, I found Onan parts at RV dealers . They dealt with alot of generators. Still expensive!
Thanks again for help Tuesday with the obsolete mower blade and sticker
Thank s for your videos!!!
This video was really informative. I enjoyed it. I think Cummins now owns Onan.
Just one thought about replacing the Magnet Ring. Newer magnets are made from Neodymium which has a stronger magnetic flux than was available 40 years ago. So that might be why they are better.
Reminds me of the time i had to remove the engine to replace the starter on my lamdlords homda ht3813 mower. It was a pain to remove the drive shaft to be able to get the engine out and hard to remove the flywheel nut cause i didn't have the right tools at the time but still managed to get it done
Put another engine on that Lawn Boy.
I have a nice old all - aluminum Craftsman mower from early 70s my dad bought new and I have been beating it to death ever since. I lost count of how many different engines I have had on the housing.
It's nice and light and has quick change wheel adjustments.
Thanks for sharing
Always enjoy watching your channel
Taryl.... G.M. Delco coils on D.I.S. engines fire simultaneously just as these Onan coils fire. For 19.99 and a couple spade connections you can have a durable coil.
Did that on a couple of small case skid steers. On a different note I love the Milwaukee fuel tools. I have that same ratchet, their die grinder, 3/8 impact and their 1/2 inch impact. Same as snap on for half the price.
Very funny Taryl.... One of your best!!!!!!!
That blower shroud cover gave you a tuff time. It was the coil from a different boil that didn't give a spark . So its back to the ball game.
I have a vertical shaftengine very similar. I had to buy one of those pick up sensors last year. $180
Awesome video
I hope someday the hope mechanics can reproduce parts at home .. I've gotten pretty ok in cad and 3d printing, next is aluminum sand casting, heads could be want to cast list :)
It's interesting to me that no one is forwarding the idea of using wax instead of filament in 3D printers. Seems a natural choice for those who want to use it for casting. I've heard of some making the pattern with regular filament, but idk how good an idea using plastic is.
I sent this to Mustie1 and now you to see if either of you will make a video to show this to others how to accomplish this, just an idea. I see a lot of folks that want the ability to mow with the chute up for various reasons. They use bungies , string or a piece of rope and that to me is so inconvenient. I have never shared this, but I've done this set up on every riding mower I've ever owned and it's fool proof. Use a hook and screw eye's to latch the chute up . Tis uses 1 latching hook, 1 suitable spring and 3 Screw eyes. Attach one screw eye to the side of the rear fender and two screw eyes to the chute. Test the distance of them before drilling to ensure the screw eyes are in the right location. Attach one screw eye on the chute with a spring, and the other end of the spring to the Latch hook, The second screw eye is also attached to the chute just far enough to just give the spring a little tension so the hook can be latched to that second screw eye firmly when chute is being used to keep it secure. Now when you want to open the chute the hook can be latched onto the screw eye mounted to the fender to keep the chute up and out of the way. This method also allows the deck to be raised and lowered when the chute is raised. This setup is on my 1999 Scotts S20hp/48 which still runs and operates fantastic, and my 2018 46" Scrub Cadet XT1. So simple & inexpensive, but absolutely effective. That setup has been on my Scotts since 1999 with the same hardware I originally used including the spring. My Riding mowers are kept clean and in doors when not in use so I hope this helps someone , if not there's always the option of a bungie or a piece of rope. LOL
Onan's, Vangaurd's and Kawasaki's are the 3 best twin cylinders ever made.
I am getting ready to overhaul an onan, it is a lot older than that one, it’s on an old Lincoln welder, points ignition and no starter, it powers the generator to start the engine. Oddly also getting ready to get into an old wheel horse tractor but it has a single cylinder kohler. I have actually considered repowering them both with harbor freight v twins
What a PITA that engine is to work on it looks like.
I’m kinda missing my ole trusted friend “Ronnie”. The way he used to sail over the fence. A true athlete.
WE LOVE ALL YOUR VIDEOS!!!
You guys are a gas! To think my comment may influence on creative. Your team is a Joy and always educational. There's dinner. I own a 1996 Craftsman riding mower. ha
Cummins bought Onan, so you can get some of these parts from Cummins a lot cheaper than John Deere. I bought an ignition module an ring for $109, but JD wanted $165 just for the module and the ring was anther $25.
Wow I have never seen problems like that with Onan's they are almost always used in RV generators to this day. fixed one years ago on a snapper mini tractor. Sears ST/16 also.
Hi Taryl
I am a ret boat mech. Hack. carb spray try WD 40 it really does work and low comp it will also boost. .
I really like your vids and stories.😊
So many things you can learn from a video like this...
Definitely a throwback. Not bad.
Same as my 37 year old Lawnboy. Still have it and still runs. Rotting deck.
I did one for a friend. Worst part was getting it out of the JD tractor, but overall not too bad.
Great skit too!!!
I dun my 89 Wheelhorse 312-8 with a Kohler Magnum all year & LOVE it!!! Keep up the awesome work keeping the good equipment going!!! This new stuff, not for me
Talking about graveyards, they want us to put bumper on our decks, both push and riding mowers. How about a video on these issues? So I can eat my dinner on time.
You're right it does sound wicked that guys kroler did too.
@Taryl Fixes All, what was the music when you were taking the blower shroud off?
I've wanted a john deere 318 since i was a kid. You have sealed the doom on that dream!
It’s the best garden tractor ever made, mine has 2500hrs on it starts every time doesn’t leak or burn a drop of oil
@Trail-of-dead yeah, but they all sell high or they "just quit, probably something simple," or "probably just needs the carb cleaned." Then there are the running ones that look like they sat outside the last 30 years. I have known several that were more or less the same story as taryl told about his. If I'm going to do groundwork, I use a farm tractor. I want something to mow grass and pick up leaves. I have an f725 John deere, and I like the 345 for what I want...I would really like to find a 300 series hydro wheel horse in good shape.
Love the show!
Thank you Taryl for telling us about your war stories with the Onan engines
I have been reading on lawn tractor pulling sites about guys using GM HEI modules to trigger a coil. It might be worth trying.
Do you have any website links to read more about this?