The Salafi Fallacy - Abdal Hakim Murad
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By the grace of Allah, I have passed this phase. I was such an arrogant, Allah saved me. May Allah increase our ilm. May Allah guide us all to the siratul mustakim. Ameen
Same feeling tho
Maruf Sajjad alhamdulillah..Allah saved me too..
Maruf Sajjad I can say the same for myself. It is sad because many of my friends are in this mindset and they just don't want to reason. I hope Allah guides us all.
Maruf Sajjad Which phase are you referring to? What did Allah save you from exactly? Ameen, May Allah increase us in beneficial knowledge and aide us in acting upon that knowledge. May Allah give us hearts that have taqwah for Him, Ameen.
What were you saved from??
The difference between the salafi and the rest of the world is aqeedah.,with the majority of the world following Ashari/Maturidi/Tahawi.What I find amazing is that salafis declare kufr on those following Ashari/Maturidi aqeedah but use the books of Imam Nawawi.,Imam Qurubi,Ibn Hajar Asqalani,and other scholars who were all Ashari in their aqeedah.
+A-R Mohamed -----------------There are two stages in the scholarly development of Abul Hasan Ashari, early and late.
+sanaulla sharief It is public knowledge he was first of the mutazilite ,then formulated the aqeedah of ahlus sunnah and as Sheikh Yusuf Qardawi said "The world is Ashari".We are forbidden to declare kufr on another group unless it violates a basic belief of Islam.(eg another prophet after ours)The salafis/wahabis who declare kufr on Asharis beware--its a boomerang and hits you right back in the face(based on hadith)
Salafis are Athari in Aqeedah, which is an accepted School of Aqeedah, but the problem is them not accepting the others and calling them Mushriks. Unlike Traditional Sunnis, who accept the acceptable Ashari, Maturidi, Tahawi and Athari Schools.
Same goes with their Fiqh, they are rooted in Hanbali Fiqh which developed over time to what we see as Salafi Fiqh, basically Hanbali Fiqh can also be called Salafi Fiqh. Again, their Fiqh is acceptable. But the problem is not accepting the other Fiqhs and just plain bashing them instead of having proper academic discussions.
@@hammadahmad6312 not really,
Imam at tahawi is also an athari but He doesn't say Allah has parts or contained with directions.
I think the current Salafy aqeeda is more resembling the dhahiri (literalist) or mushabbih (anthropomorphist)
We're the sahabah ash'ari or maturidi? Just out of interest.
You do not need to watch a youtube video nor do extensive research to get to the conclusion that Salafis are not on the Haqq or the path of the Prophet (saw), you simply need to spend upwards of five minutes with one or two of them in a room. Everything about their manners and personalities is in stark contrast to the prophetic tradition they expertly rant about. And no, I'm not a "Sufi", rather simply someone who is studying the deen and committing to the fundamentals of our faith and communicating my personal observations.
your studing and your using stereotpes . what a prodox .
Zane Khan
Sufi they're not understandings Quran and the suna
Islam to follow quran and the suna nothing to do with the Sufi
Sufi philosophy comes from Hindo and Boda and nothing to do with Islam.
Islam to follow quran and the suna.
Sufi philosophy is nonsense and far away from Islam.
This isn't true. Salafi are not bad people, they are not arrogant.
CatoTheElder * Yes they are. I had some salafi friends in high school. They were always condescending and arrogant towards me because i try to follow tassawuf.
Abdullah ibn Mas’ud reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “The best people are those of my generation, then those who come after them, then those who come after them. Then, there will come people after them whose testimony precedes their oaths and their oaths precede their testimony.”
That is simply what following the salaf means, following the three generations means you do everything accordance to the sunnah and how they understood and practiced it...
Very well said. It is absolute madness to just pick up a book and say here you go it says it here so thats what you must do. Ignorants leading ignorants.
also a bit mad to say you can seek help from the dead dont you think
But who actually says that? The Salafi ulamah certainly don't rather they earn against this!
@@abusumayah9540 no ya akhi my comment was towards these people who are against salafiyyah. الحمد لله على نعمة السلفية.
@@nabilyasin2088 i agree it is mad to seek help from the dead. Thats not the debate here.
@@DC-wp6oj you seem like you’ve seen this first hand, wanna tell me what book was used in that scenario?
"there's no greater arrogance than saying only I can interepet it and everybody else is wrong"
You can clearly experience this arrogance just by talking to Salafis.
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But Salafis don't say this. Salafi scholars say to pick up the Qur'aan and interpret it yourself while being unqualified is haraam. We say that we should take our understanding from the sahaabah and that we should return issues back to the scholars. Stop spreading lies.
@@abusumayah9540 what you are talking is their jargon. they cite from sahabah in some area of ilm but in other area they stop at Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab. Even, they interpret from their own point of view. They are cherry picking.
Im former of salafism, i found some contradiction between their jargon and their act.
and the way they cover up MBAW history is disgraceful. And this makes me suspicious. But I know, most of salafi followers will not be interested in reading the history of the beginning of their creed.
They like come in 21 century, if they found any opinion, argumen, statement from other recent or previous scholars that isnt same with their point of view, they will violate them instantly.
Arrogance is the core and the fuel of this creed. Because i have experienced and watched on its followers.
@@abusumayah9540 They don't say it, they act it. By simply calling themselves 'Salafi', when they are not actually of the first three glorious generations, they seek to give themselves a veneer of authority and superiority that is mostly baseless. In reality, they should be called pseudo-Salafi.
It is ironic enough that their references (like Albani and crew) are further from the salaf (in time, place, and thought) than the traditional authorities of the four schools. Also, I have yet to find a self-proclaimed salafi that can quote scholars who actually were members of the salaf (like Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri, Urwah ibn Zubayr, etc.)
The Salafi Fallacy?
The salafis say: We take the Quraan and the Sunnah with the understanding of the salaf. So, therefore this title: The Salafi Fallacy is misleading
@@MAli99923 Yeah sure brother, lot of them didn't even know what salaf is. what is salaf and kholaf
that is real question, what is salaf mean, what generation considered as salaf. you can ask them
I agree with this brother. With that being said, technically no matter what methodology you adhere to we are all "salafis" from a purely linguistic point of view. As the word salaf just describes those who came before us. Abu hanifa, malik, shafii, hanbal etc., were merely following there salaf, which led to the development of methodologies.
What was the issue you found with the Manhaj of the Salaf as Saleh?
Yes, we are followers of the Salaf. Though we do not call ourselves Salafi, since this term is usually referred to the Salafi movement.
@@explodingzack4937 are you referring to Fiqh or aqidah?
@@Hashim_Naysapuri well the salafi movement covers both usul al fiqh and Aqeedah
@@explodingzack4937 I'm aware of that.
You said your a follower of the Salaf as Saleh.
I'm asking Fiqh or aqidah?
Very unfortunate to see people just throwing arguments without any authentic reference! Curious mind wants to know what kind of scholarship you guys have while criticizing Abdal Hakim Murad?
May Allah guide us all..
Ameen
آمين!
Ameen
Or do u mean may the ulamah guide us all because apparently Allah can't do that Himself?
NO salafi goes straight to the Qur'an and Sunnah, they refer to the scholars and researchers who refer to Qur'an and Sunnah and the salaf (first 3 generations)!
That's what he's referring to. Salafi is now used as a modern word in a hijacked form unfortunately
I think the Sheikh would take issue with restricting yourself to the first three generations and neglecting the following dozens of generations of wisdom - he is a specialist in particular in medieval Islamic thought
No, salafi today will only refer from Ibn Katheer, Ibn Taymiyah, Ben Bazz, al-Bani, Uthaymeen
in reality they are very shallow-minded
And anyone who follows a madhab does the same thing.
@@reiali3290it’s been 3 years since you posted this and inshallah you’ve grown more wisdom than that of when you posted this comment
Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “I have left you with two matters which will never lead you astray, as long as you hold to them: the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of his Prophet.”
Source: al-Muwaṭṭa’ 1661
Grade: Sahih
The Qur'an and Sunnah as the best generation understood it.
Yet in every other narration he says Quran and Ahlulbayt
@@Hashim_Naysapuri 👍
@@atillacoskun How do you take it?
@Atilla Coşkun
Did the Salaf as Saleh take it literally?
The title is extremely misleading.
"Imam Abu Hanifah said to Abu Yusuf, and Imam al-Shafi'i to al-Rabi', and Imam Ahmad to his son Abdullah, and Imam Malik to Ibn al Qasim, that:
"When a Hadith is authentic, abide by it and leave my opinion."
And then the layman thought that this was directed towards him."
Sh. Muhammad Wail al-Hanbali (h)
Source 🥺 please
Doesn't matter if they ever said such a thing or not. We would still throw away anyone's opinion if it goes against sunnah
@@fisher9943 Sorry don't have it. I think shaykh said it in his khutbah.
@@1eV ok layman-wannabe-mujtahid
@@1eV Exactly what the shaykh said 😂
(part 5)
Apply this situation to a non-Islamic context. Imagine you want to hire someone to be a biology teacher at your school. When you ask a prospective employee for their credentials, where they graduated from, what degrees they have, and so forth, they tell you “No, no, no, this is the twenty first century! I read through some textbooks and watched some video lectures online! Indeed, this is sufficient!”
Surely, you must agree that this claim is ridiculous!
absolutely right
That's a ridiculous analogy
@@abdelhakyac7285 Then you have no understanding of Islam.
Hashim, you are ridiculous in your counter reply.
The comment above is absolutely correct.
@@LetterBeginning
We follow the Salaf as Saleh because the Prophet pbuh said they are the best.
Our whole understanding of islam comes from them.
The books they have written contain all of this.
Where as Sufism, ashariyyah and maturidiyyah came later on.
Wonderfully expressed. Much gratitude and blessings to whoever uploaded this!
Masha Allah, what an articulate brother. I never really knew him but I am gonna listen more.
Same
He’s the head of the dept of Islamic studies at Cambridge University
A recent conversation with the shaykh:
czcams.com/video/laFLPKZBUZE/video.html
Bid’ah ka buq abowe
are there any new lecture from him? he is one of my favorite speaker. funny that he is a brittish muslim but hes a fantastic da'i
It is shirk because, they claim to possess absolute knowledge of the ruling of God and His Messenger. They give God a direction and a form.
The pious predecessors would attribute the opinion to themselves. They were people that knew God and His Messenger. They knew that no one’s understanding or intellect could encompass God’s religion. Now them psuedo-salafis aka wahhabis have monopoly on the religion. They are people of innovation(their rulings are based on personal convictions), going against the consensus. Dont let them fool you with "We follow the quran and sunnah" it is deceptive. They claim to understand the way, when they dont even get their knowledge through a chain of transmission that goes back to the Messenger(PBUH). But most of all they are dangerous to the Sha'ria.
They take people out of the religion, they dont love the Messeger, they worship a cruel God, they worship the rules, they like anger, they like blood. they wear the religion on their sleeves, They are Hijackers!
This is not Against Salafi rather it's in support if you listen attentively. Here he is saying not to bypass the understanding of the earlier generations i.e. (Salaf us Saalih) which is the main call of As-Salafiyah. Which is the Qur"an the Sunnah upon the understanding of the Righteous predecessor (Salaf us Saalih). An whosever rejects this call should fear Allah the Almighty as He says "And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger after the right path has been shown to him, and follows a path other than the believers way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination." Surah An-Nisaa Ayat 115
That's not what he's saying
You just heard what you want to hear. He said if you’re a layman and not a scholar who are you to reject the ijma of the ulema the four madhabs.
Greetings Everyone,
I've a query to professor Murad. Well, Allah Almighty says in surat Alkahf الكهف, verse 29:
"وقل الحق من ربكم فمن شاء فليؤمن ومن شاء فليكفر..."
My query is that why we, "believers", if applicable, struggling to invite people, around the world, to believe in a religion? Why don't we leave it to God's will, as per the verse's interpretation,?
Personally, if someone declares his/her conversation into Islam in a mosque, I keep totally silent, I do say nothing, I do not say congratulations because I believe it's a very personal relationship between the Creator and His believer. Is that right?
Thank you very much.
Texas, USA
And the meaning of 'waseelah' here is obedience and seeking nearness [to Allaah] and the meaning in the language is something which leads to that which is desired. So that which leads to the Pleasure and the Paradise of Allaah is a waseelah to Him. This is the legislated waseelah mentioned in His, the Most High's saying: "Seek the means of approach to Him" [al- Maa'idah (5):35]
Strawman argument. The guy uploaded the video doesn’t know the meaning pf Salaf
You know who he's talking about
Allah blessed this man, for keeping it plain and simple, unlike "the saved sect" that gives fatwas I never heard in my life.
How many fatwas have you heard in your life?
Whenever a group of Muslims have the guile to declare themselves the "saved sect", it should be clear that they are wrong.
@@ibrahimsiali2419
No group in ISLAM is gonna believe and proclaim that they are following the WRONG path.
LOL
😂🤣
Like Imam Malik rh said: The those who successors will be guied only with which those who predecessors were guided to right. İbn AbdilHadi, İrshâdû's-Salik,1/227
Subhan'Allah Beautifully Explained!
A salafi is one who doesn't follow any imaam or anyone's teachings, rather deceives himself that he will use the Qur'an and sunnah to learn things himself.
Knowing, that the ulamaa before us had given their life to teaching us the same Qur'an and sunnah, it's madness to say we would go directly to the Qur'an and learn for ourselves
@ابو أسلم البربري nice language from a Muslim guy. I am talking about the salafi sect nowadays and not the salaf, the earlier ones. They, like ibn wahhab, call everyone else kaafir, if they have varying opinions form them.
i don't think salfies have a problem with this video it's an agreement.
mahamed jmal I know salafis who refuse to follow a madhab and they are not scholars . How so arrogant to claim they know better than the four imams while they only take their rulings from Salafi scholars.
Exactly! Salafis are always warning from this approach.
@@ibbydread6092 Not all matters req people to refer to the 4 Imams. Most of the Islamic practice in people's day to day life are well articulated in Quran and Hadith for us to understand. It's only the complex matters where one should refer to the 4 imams. Done! What's the fuss about?
In his last sermon, the Prophet sallallahu alaihi wassalam have been reported to have said: "All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. "
Thus the possibility of this doa being fulfilled today and thus contradicts what brother Abdul Hakim is saying cannot be overruled. Wallahu a'lam.
Couldn't have put it better myself! Too many ignorant Wahabi/Salafis. There destroying Islam!
Many of the sufis are Habaibs whom descendents of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.Who follows the Prophet's legacy
+Aishah Almusawa--------Being from 'ahle e bayt' does not mean they are infallible.--------Many of the sufis of Indian subcontinent and central Asia were from Nishapur of Iran and were Shias.
+sanaulla sharief the habaibs are ahlusunnah waljamaah & i'm one of the descendant we follow his legacy
Ahli bayt all are from arab blood not persians iran
Aishah Almusawa ----------My question was , does being ahle bayt makes them infallible , they can not make any mistake, they are 'masoom '?
Only prophets are masoom protected by Allah
Salafis lack the hallmarks of true Muslims--mercy and compassion.
And ilm
My understanding of Sufism is not same as yours. Your scholars most of the time do not attack traditional Sufism. They criticize certain practices and call it Sufism, which in reality has nothing to do with Traditional Sufism.
Salafi is rejecting The Prophet.
Proof
Is this about salafiyyah? Because salafiyyah is about interpreting the Quran and sunnah according to the methodology of the salaf.
Assalamo aleykom, I love you in God. In Sahih Muslim [1847, chapter of obligation to stay with the majority (Jamaa) in period of fitna], the Prophet warns us about the predicators that invite people to hell and that we must stick to the majority of the Muslims.
It has been narrated on the authority of Hudhaifa b. al-Yaman who said: People used to ask the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) about the good times, but I used to ask him about bad times fearing lest they overtake me. I said: Messenger of Allah, we were in the midst of ignorance and evil, and then God brought us this good (time through Islam). Is there any bad time after this good one? He said: Yes. I asked: Will there be a good time again after that bad time? He said: Yes, but therein will be a hidden evil. I asked: What will be the evil hidden therein? He said: (That time will witness the rise of) the people who will adopt ways other than mine and seek guidance other than mine. You will know good points as well as bad points. I asked: Will there be a bad time after this good one? He said: Yes. (A time will come) when there will be people standing and inviting at the gates of Hell. Whoso responds to their call they will throw them into the fire. I said: Messenger of Allah, describe them for us. He said: All right. They will be a people having the same complexion as ours and speaking our language. I said: Messenger of Allah, what do you suggest if I happen to live in that time? He said: You should stick to the main body of the Muslims and their leader. I said: If they have no (such thing as the) main body and have no leader? He said: Separate yourself from all these factions, though you may have to eat the roots of trees until death comes to you and you are in this state.
In Sahih Bukhari : Volume 9, Book 88, Number 206:
Narrated Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman:
The people used to ask Allah's Apostle about the good but I used to ask him about the evil lest I should be overtaken by them. So I said, "O Allah's Apostle! We were living in ignorance and in an (extremely) worst atmosphere, then Allah brought to us this good (i.e., Islam); will there be any evil after this good?" He said, "Yes." I said, 'Will there be any good after that evil?" He replied, "Yes, but it will be tainted (not pure.)'' I asked, "What will be its taint?" He replied, "(There will be) some people who will guide others not according to my tradition? You will approve of some of their deeds and disapprove of some others." I asked, "Will there be any evil after that good?" He replied, "Yes, (there will be) some people calling at the gates of the (Hell) Fire, and whoever will respond to their call, will be thrown by them into the (Hell) Fire." I said, "O Allah s Apostle! Will you describe them to us?" He said, "They will be from our own people and will speak our language." I said, "What do you order me to do if such a state should take place in my life?" He said, "Stick to the group of Muslims and their Imam (ruler)." I said, "If there is neither a group of Muslims nor an Imam (ruler)?" He said, "Then turn away from all those sects even if you were to bite (eat) the roots of a tree till death overtakes you while you are in that state."
حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الْمُثَنَّى، حَدَّثَنَا الْوَلِيدُ بْنُ مُسْلِمٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنُ يَزِيدَ بْنِ، جَابِرٍ حَدَّثَنِي بُسْرُ بْنُ عُبَيْدِ اللَّهِ الْحَضْرَمِيُّ، أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ أَبَا إِدْرِيسَ الْخَوْلاَنِيَّ، يَقُولُ سَمِعْتُ حُذَيْفَةَ بْنَ الْيَمَانِ، يَقُولُ كَانَ النَّاسُ يَسْأَلُونَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم عَنِ الْخَيْرِ وَكُنْتُ أَسْأَلُهُ عَنِ الشَّرِّ مَخَافَةَ أَنْ يُدْرِكَنِي فَقُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ إِنَّا كُنَّا فِي جَاهِلِيَّةٍ وَشَرٍّ فَجَاءَنَا اللَّهُ بِهَذَا الْخَيْرِ فَهَلْ بَعْدَ هَذَا الْخَيْرِ شَرٌّ قَالَ " نَعَمْ " فَقُلْتُ هَلْ بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ الشَّرِّ مِنْ خَيْرٍ قَالَ " نَعَمْ وَفِيهِ دَخَنٌ " . قُلْتُ وَمَا دَخَنُهُ قَالَ " قَوْمٌ يَسْتَنُّونَ بِغَيْرِ سُنَّتِي وَيَهْدُونَ بِغَيْرِ هَدْيِي تَعْرِفُ مِنْهُمْ وَتُنْكِرُ " . فَقُلْتُ هَلْ بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ الْخَيْرِ مِنْ شَرٍّ قَالَ " نَعَمْ دُعَاةٌ عَلَى أَبْوَابِ جَهَنَّمَ مَنْ أَجَابَهُمْ إِلَيْهَا قَذَفُوهُ فِيهَا " . فَقُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صِفْهُمْ لَنَا . قَالَ " نَعَمْ قَوْمٌ مِنْ جِلْدَتِنَا وَيَتَكَلَّمُونَ بِأَلْسِنَتِنَا " . قُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ فَمَا تَرَى إِنْ أَدْرَكَنِي ذَلِكَ قَالَ " تَلْزَمُ جَمَاعَةَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ وَإِمَامَهُمْ " . فَقُلْتُ فَإِنْ لَمْ تَكُنْ لَهُمْ جَمَاعَةٌ وَلاَ إِمَامٌ قَالَ " فَاعْتَزِلْ تِلْكَ الْفِرَقَ كُلَّهَا وَلَوْ أَنْ تَعَضَّ عَلَى أَصْلِ شَجَرَةٍ حَتَّى يُدْرِكَكَ الْمَوْتُ وَأَنْتَ عَلَى ذَلِكَ " .
(صحيح مسلم 1847 / باب الأَمْرِ بِلُزُومِ الْجَمَاعَةِ عِنْدَ ظُهُورِ الْفِتَنِ وَتَحْذِيرِ الدُّعَاةِ إِلَى الْكُفْرِ)
continuing: Ash-Shafi'i said: "If the hadeeth is saheeh, then ignore my words. If you see well established evidence, then this is my view." Imam Ahmad said: "Do not follow me blindly, and do not follow Maalik or al-Shaafa’i or al-Thawri blindly. Learn as we have learned.” And he said, “Do not follow men blindly with regard to your religion, for they can never be safe from error."
LOL who was Imam Shafii RA speaking to? Was he speaking to illiterate ignoramuses, or was he speaking to his students, who themselves were Ulema? please don't take his words out of context not every tom dick and harry can make ijtihad lol
@@thewolf1801 i think the salafi fallacy got to him
The Wolf exactly
@@thewolf1801 you remind me of a jew following the rabis
"Imam Abu Hanifah said to Abu Yusuf, and Imam al-Shafi'i to al-Rabi', and Imam Ahmad to his son Abdullah, and Imam Malik to Ibn al Qasim, that:
"When a Hadith is authentic, abide by it and leave my opinion."
And then the layman thought that this was directed towards him."
Sh. Muhammad Wail al-Hanbali (h)
"Ahl al-Sunnah consist of three groups: the textualists (al-Athariyya), whose Imam is Ahmad ibn Hanbal, the Ash`aris, whose Imam is Abu al-Hasan al-Ash'ari, and the Maturidis, whose Imam is Abu Mansur al-Maturidi and they are all one sect, the saved sect, and they are Ahl al-Hadith.
It's not a sect, fool, it's like a school of thought
+mercenaire2013
methodology a filter to understand islam as it was brought by the prophet peace be upon him , any group sect that uses names denomination is by nature anti ahlu sunna!
+shiane mehdi Why do you quote from sunni book,give a a quote from your own books with a hadith mutawaatwir and the asmaa-ul rijaal are thiquaat.
You guys are making deen so complex you ignoramuses. Schools of thought are fine, they don't change what we believe in such as the pillars of iman and the pillars of Islam. Schools of thought is nothing but opinions that go against each other. SECTS are different beliefs that all (sects) claim they are the true believer.
+mercenaire2013 wahhabis r kufar and are not part of ahul sunna neither is ibn taymiyyah
The prophet taught us how to differentiate between Khawarij and even hypocrites.
it's not by what they say rather by what they do.
Yaa Allah, bless and preserve the person who recorded and uploaded this, and ultimately bless and preserve the Sheikh and increase him with goodness in this world and the next.
A really good explanation ma-sha'Allah. JazakAllah for whoever uploaded this.
What did you understand from this video?
baarakaaaAllaaaahu feek brother!
The Salafi Fallacy?
The salafis say: We take the Quraan and the Sunnah with the understanding of the salaf. So, therefore this title: The Salafi Fallacy is misleading
Jazak Allah Khair for your comments.
These sufis like to cover there deviant aqidah by accusing salafis.
@@Hashim_Naysapuri wrong, sufis are from ahlusunnah firstly and secondly salafi by definition is ahlusunnah wal jamaah pseudo salafi movment is in relation to muhammad ibn abdul wahhab influenced by ibn taymiyyah
@@muzammilahmad6111
Sufis are innovators.
What did ibn taymiyyah & Muhammad ibn abdulwahab state that goes against the Salaf as Saleh?
Does loads of things Salafies say that the Salaf did not say? Loads of things interpret that they did not interpret in the same way.
@@fencalmari5609
Please state specific examples?
I didn't hear any 'salafi' word mentioned by the speaker.
He did, "the traditionalist"
He didn’t have to
A salafi is one who doesn't follow any imaam or anyone's teachings, rather deceives himself that he will use the Qur'an and sunnah to learn things himself.
Knowing, that the ulamaa before us had given their life to teaching us the same Qur'an and sunnah, it's madness to say we would go directly to the Qur'an and learn for ourselves
If i was he, i will say "wahabi" then
JazakAllah Khairun brother Abdal Hakim Murad
ASA
But then what do you say when the salafi say we refer to our "traditionalist" scholars? (if there is such a thing in the Salafi school of thought).
Doesn't that put us in the predicament that they also have strong grounds for their opinions and rulings?
There is a Salafi school of thought, but it is entirely modern and based on one key theological principle, the avoidance of Shirk. This, in itself, verges on idolatry, particularly as there is little to no nuance or conciliation toward other divergent opinions/traditions.
Fi Amanillah
there is no slafie school of thought.
mahamed jmal they wish there was though. It seems to be AlAlbanis plan to make Salafiyya a fifth and superior madhab
Alhumdulilah i started following hanafi mazhab few years ago.
Hanafi is regarding Fiqh.
Manhaj of the Salaf as Saleh, is to take the interpretation of the best generations.
@@Hashim_Naysapuri ya hanafi is regarding fiqh as well as aqeedah if u read preface pages Aqeedah tahawiya by imam Tahawi he clearly mentions that these Aqeedah are of imam abu hanifa too. So we basically take our aqeedah too from imam abu Hanafi. He is a salaf
Hashim is legitimately ignorant because Hanafi IS A SALAFI BY DEFINITION.
ABU HANIFA IS A TABI'EEN (FOLLOWER OF THE COMPANION).
HASHIM, REPENT TO ALLAH BEFORE YOUR DEATH.
@@hananbhat5187 Yet the majority of hanafis follow maturidi aqidah.
@@LetterBeginning
Abu Hanifa NEVER transmitted from a companion, therefore he can't a Tabieen.
Majority of hanafis follow the maturidi aqidah, which is a deviant aqidah.
To be fair, perhaps his grossly uninformed, or rather misinformed, thoughts regarding this issue are not his fault entirely. I'm sure there are some Salafi's that have rubbed him the wrong way, just as there are Muqallideen (if I can even use that term to define the opposite of Salafi's - as if Salafi's don't make taqleed, they do) who haven't helped in this ongoing and ancient discourse. And Allah Alone is the giver of Tawfeeq.
The only thing to do in a YT comment section is to throw insults or argue aimlessly until someone starts throwing insults.
After you have listened to this brother-in-Islam*s statements in this video, my suggestion to you all is to refer to the ayat/verses in the Quran where Allah Almighty states that He gives of His Wisdom and understanding to whomsoever He chooses and then decide for yourself the authenticity of this Brother*s statements in this video. Allah Almighty is the final and only Judge. This is what should concern us all. A thorough and sincere reading of the Quran might help us realize that we will be judged by Allah SWT based on our words, actions, thoughts and intentions. While our words and actions are easier to assess and analyse, our thoughts and intentions are complicated and unknowable to us. It is only Allah Almighty who can truly know them and judge them. We all need to educate ourselves the best way we can and then make our choices in life. And we need to fear the Creator of the Worlds every moment of our lives on Earth.
If he means ibn baz and ibn uthaymeen I can assure you bud they know enough and about 1000 times more than u will ever know
And the previous generation of Ash'aris and Maturidis know 1000 times more than Bin Baz and Ibn Uthaymeen.
@@fbngnone of the 4 imaams were maturidis or asharis.
"Now, following his example (s) takes two forms: outward and Inward. The outward form is in such matters as Prayer, fasting, alms, pilgrimage, Jihad, and the like. The inward form is that your prayer be characterized by a connection with God and your recitation of Quran by reflection upon him. So when you perform an act of obedience such as prayer or recitation and find neither connection nor reflection.....
He is probably not referring to only one Ulma but rather referring to Ulemas from school of thought who came up with ruling which are considered Valid.
to just leave you. May Allaah guide this ummaah..
-Ameen
The Prophet (pbuh) did say that his ulama/ummah would never agree on faulty consensus. Proves all of those wahhabis/salafis/neo-kharijis wrong right there
Exactly, he also said the scholars are his inheritors but these Najdis want people to bypass the scholars and delve into areas they have no expertise in. It’s utterly nonsense and destructive, hence the chaos and barbarism you see in the Muslim world today.
Wahhabism isn’t a real thing...
Yea and is the rest of the other sunni sects united?
Beautifully said, thank you people and politics infinitely fallible
The Prophets pbuh statements are INFALLIBLE
I have not seen yet a single Dua in Qur'an and Sunnah regarding Tawassul and Istighasa as it is traditionally understood among hundreds of Duas, except only once, where it says, Ya Hayyu Ya Qayyum, bi rahmatika ASTAGHEETHU. Can anyone with more knowledge or any scholar like Sheikh Hamza Yusuf or Sheikh Umar Abdullah guide me and show me one single Dua containing Tawassul and Istighasa from Qur'an or Sunnah..
@Logic03
It's been 4 months and till now no one was able to answer my question, which proves the case beyond the shadow of any doubts.
Most of them are Rabbana, Rabbi, Allahumma innee asaluka or Audhu bika. The rest is Ya hayyu Ya Qayyum, La ilaha illa anta etc..
(2) (b) a profound knowledge of the Quran and Sunnah and the circumstances surrounding the revelation of each verse and hadith, together with a full knowledge of the Quranic and hadith commentaries, and a control of all the interpretative techniques discussed above; (c) knowledge of the specialised disciplines of hadith, such as the assessment of narrators and of the matn [text];
Wait a minute...saying that all Salafis engage in implicit shirk and are backbiters...is backbiting as well!!!
Backbiting is justified if you are speaking against a person of misguidance in order to bring haq to the ummah and spread the truth.
@@supermarvelgainz woah woah, where did you see a salafi backbiting an 'alim? The best ulama were the salaf
@@limitedquantitysufiyyahexp3913 Go study son.
@@limitedquantitysufiyyahexp3913 that heretic nasir albani did
@@mughal_r9374 finally ive come accross u again u cruel person
He hammered the nail!
*Except the shirk Allah knows best I think he may have made a mistake by accident Allah knows best
Can someone give the transcript of this video?
Why is he then not following the salaf?
اللهم صل وسلم على سيدنا ومولانا محمد عبدك ورسولك النبي الأمي وعلى آله وصحبه وسلم
There are the 4 Salaf Imams - and among these 4 there are 2 Imams who are leading in the Knowlagde of Kalaam and Aqeedah - Imam Hanafi and Imam Shafii... Imam Maturidi got his knowlagde of aqeedah from Imam Hanafi and passed it on with references from Imam Hanafi - Imam Ashari got his knowlagde from Imam Shafii and passed it on with references from Imam Shafii....
Now they say that Asharis/Maturidis are not Ahlul Sunnah, so they mean Imam Hanafi and Shafii are not Ahlul Sunnah too??? -.-'
Zaynab Kalufya Strange, isn't it...
+Zaynab Kalufya exactlly
+Zaynab Kalufya Imam Ashari being a student of Imam Shafi does not mean he agreed with him on every point. So not accepting one of his students does not necessarily mean you are dismissing Imam Shafi.
***** One of his many teachers, yes.
***** The Qur'an disagrees with me about who someone's teachers were (which is a fact of history)? LOL what?
Is he the same one from y!a?
brillliant vid jazakallah khayr.
inshallah we can benefit from it as this is a huge problem nowadays
To follow the Manhaj of the Salaf as Saleh is a problem?
@@Hashim_Naysapuri yes its a problem when ppl who claim to follow salaf rely upon their own so called ijtihad and label wahabism as salafi lol. Come out of ur delusion. The four schools of law are the epitome of following salaf. Especially Maliki and hanafi mazhab
@@hananbhat5187
Why have you limited the Manhaj of the Salaf as Saleh to the four madhabs?
@@hananbhat5187Our Daleel is Qur'an, Sunnah, Ijma and Ijtihad (Qiyas). So on contemporary issues scholars have perform Ijtihad.
@@Hashim_Naysapuri bcuz this is only true way of following salaf the ahlus sunnah wal jamah. Ur wahabi mujassima group is a cult. Wallah i myself have been a wahabi at one point of life n i alhumdulilah got over that phase and delusional ideology. U know who helped me? A local student of deen and lectures of a Pakistani scholar Molana Ameen Ukarvi rh. So keep ur mujassima cult unto u.
That ignorant phase of mine when i was a wahabi was when i used to think i need to follow hadiths. I didn't even know the difference between sunnah and hadith, i didn't even know the Islamic terminology of hadith. So I'm over that phase. Get going
And then this;
A) God is the teacher of Quran: Quran 55:02
B) God perfected and completed the message: Quran 5:03
C) Easy remembrance and understandability of the message: Quran 54:17
D) God declared the end of the message with the words "This day”: Quran 5:03
E) God explained the verses in detail: Quran 11.01 and 17:12
F) The responsibility of explaining it has been taken by God Himself: Quran 75:19
Not to mention the Hukum to use our God given faculties of observation, reason and logic :)
How does this contradict anything Shaykh Murad said?
1400 years of Ulama and tens of thousands of Islamic scholars who passed throughout history discussing and analyzing issues, by dealing with these verses and the explanations of the Prophet saws and his companions and by using their God given faculties; certainly understand the Qur'an and the Sunnah better than newly appeared movements like salafis
الإسلام هو ما كان عليه محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم و فهمه صحابته رضي الله عنهم وطبقوه لا فلسفات أهل الكلام و تخاريف المتصوفة .. الإسلام نزل بلسان عربي مبين. وهناك من يحاربه لابسا جبة الإسلام.
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته:
قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم:
تركت فيكم ما ان تضلوا بعدي أبدا؛.
كتاب الله وسنتي ، وسنة الخلفاء الراشدين المهديين من بعدي عضوا عليها بالنواجذ.
ودين وشريعة الإسلام هي إتباع كتاب الله عز وجل وسنة رسوله صلى الله عليه وسلم والتوحيد (.توحيد الربوبية.وتوحيد الألوهية وتوحيد الأسماء والصفات)
حتى لانقع بفتنة الفرق الضالة أمثال: القدرية والجهمية والمعتزلة والرافضة والصوفية والاشعرية الخ. لأن هذه الفرق انحرفت عن هدي النبي محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم.
والفرقة الوحيدة التي قالها بأنها تتبع الكتاب القرآن والسنة والتوحيد وشريعة دين الإسلام هي اهل الإسلام اهل السنة والجماعة الفرقة الناجية إنشاء الله .لحديث الرسول عليه الصلاة والسلام: سوف تفترق أمتي على ثلاث وسبعين فرقة كلها في النار....وقال عليه الصلاة والسلام : ما أنا عليه وأصحابي.( يعني اهل الإسلام اهل السنة والجماعة المتقين المؤمنين من الذين يتبعون الكتاب القرآن والسنة والتوحيد ) وليس غيرهم .
Wisdom par excellence!
u know there are alot of terms mentioned besides muslim in the qur'an right? like mutaqeen saliheen muqarabeen?
one salafi i know justified killings in Beslan lol
(part 1 out of many, please read through though)
A quick look through the comments here reveals that what the Shaykh is speaking about is a lesson the Muslims are in dire need of understanding. It is extremely frustrating that the modern Muslim believes he does not need the tradition of the madhabs or the scholars. We say “It’s the twenty first century, we have immense resources available to us, and we can read for ourselves.”...
(3) (d) knowledge of the views of the Companions, Followers and the great imams, and of the positions and reasoning expounded in the textbooks of fiqh, combined with the knowledge of cases where a consensus (ijma) has been reached; (e) knowledge of the science of juridical analogy (qiyas), its types and conditions; (f) knowledge of ones own society and of public interest (maslahah); (g) knowing the general objectives (maqasid) of the Shariah;
The Crux of the issue is the debate between the Fuqaha and the Muhaditheen.The former inherited fatawa from the Sahaba and the latter narrations from Sahaba and a variety of things can go wrong whenever extremes occur between balancing Fiqh and Hadith in explicit and in implicit principles and evidences. And the contrast of the Salaf and the Khalaf in rulings in these issues.
Love shiekh Murad ❤️
This is so wrong😂 please talk to some salafi ulema
@Kaiser Cheemhelm II
At 01:11 he is assuming Salafis are going against ijma ( consensus) by performing ijtihad individual.
THIS IS NOT TRUE
We believe IJMA ( consensus) to be a daleel after Qur'an and Sunnah.
@Kaiser Cheemhelm II
The Salaf as Saleh are the greatest generation as the Prophet pbuh said.
Asharis are considered outside Ahlul Sunnah by Salaf as Saleh due to them being based on ilm ul kalam.
Hence why people upon the manhaj of the Salaf as Saleh ( Salafis ) are critical of Asharis in modern times.
@Kaiser Cheemhelm II he called it backbiting saying someone is wrong. He also called itjihad shirk
Wow opened my eyes. Why should be interpret the Quran and sunnah when we have pious people to do it for us
This is very very mixed up! I advise you to read a booklet called, "The annihilation of the saudi salafis" It explains briefly the different types of Salafis
Salafis are upon the right path. They are sunnis. They are from Ahlus sunnah. Dont listen to whatever you hear and believe whatever u hear. Listen to ibn baz then u will see that people are just false talking
The most important principles and teachings of Islam are very clear in the Quran and don't require commentary. It provides very clear guidance for daily living. But it definitely helps to have the commentary and insights of the scholars. So it isn't either..or but the middle way between extremes as advocated in the Quran. Use your own understanding AND the teachings of the scholars. Allah says in the Quran the religion of Islam is meant to be easy to understand and practice: 2:185 Allah desires ease for you and not hardship; 4:28 Allah desires to lighten things for you, for the human being has been created weak.
That's a missuse of the blessed verses of the noble Qur'an. And extreme arrogance to say that we (AS INFALLIBLES) can understand Quran without tafseer.
With tafseer of the scholars, hadith are used from the prophet to understand the scripture. Some verses are clear others are more ambiguous. However it is arrogance to assume we can understand Quran whithout scholars, as the scholars take their understanding from the hadith of the prophet.
Quran also says ask those who know ie those with ilm ulema. You left that verse out of your argument
his whole position is based on argument of authority.
LOL and...
@@habibyusufzai9642 basically all this man cares about is what a 'pious' sufi imam said about such and such ayah and it goes as such. we salafis do not speak about that which the 3 golden generations talked spoke about nor do we add anything new they didnt do
@@nabilyasin2088 do you think he said anything wrong?
@@nabilyasin2088 the salaf never added organs to the concept of Allah. Audhubillah.
@@FinalBoss429 SubhanAllah, how does one even type such a comment?
The commonest reason why the anti-madhhab view develops is because they do not realise the depth of our religious tradition (Google: "Understanding the Four Madhhabs"). Especially those who grow up in non-Muslim country, who view the Islam of their fathers as 'cultural' and 'backward', and who are impressed by Saudi-trained, English-speaking 'scholars' (a word thrown around too often these days). If we just realised the legacy of our religion, we would cling onto it with our back teeth.
MashaAllah ...semoga Allah memberkati mu wahai saudara...
This man’s arguments are based on presuppositions that do not apply to the Salafis. Salafis do not discard the scholars, as he is saying. So either the maker of this video is a liar and is claiming the speaker is talking about Salafis, or the speaker lacks knowledge about the Salafi position in which case he would not be qualified to speak. Another point is that the speaker says the Quran and Sunnah has different interpretions, which we agree with it. And that is why we follow the interpretation of the Salaf. This is even more evidence to prove that either he is not talking about Salafis, or does not know the Salafi position if he is indeed speaking about Salafis.
There is no such thing as the “interpretation of the salaf” this applies to both aqeedah and fiqh
@@maturidiwesley4107 nice joke.
@@1eV There is no such thing. The Salaf cannot be considered a coherent and unified school of thought, because they also differed amongst themselves. As Sheikh Muhammad al-Bouti once put it: "The Salaf are not a school of thought, but a blessed epoch".
@@ibrahimsiali2419 who cares about what that supporter of killer of Muslims say?
@@ibrahimsiali2419
"The Salaf cannot be considered a coherent and unified school of thought"
Are to preferring to fiqh or aqidah?
Look at how misleading this video is when compared to the content. Now, let us ask an honest question here. Which salafi uses his own understanding, or proclaims to use his understanding and then holds it above that of the ulama? And if you found a salafi doing that, can this behavior be attributed to salafiyya. The answer is no. The salafi methodology entails going back to the understanding of the Quran and sunnah according to the first three generations. (Sahaba, tabi'een, tabi'tabi'een.)
And what is everyone else doing? How can you claim that Salafis are going to back to the origins where all the rightful madhabs aim to find and preserve the what is come down from the first generations? Madhabs try to apply Islam to our lives as well as possible. There is huge work and effort shown by the classical Ulama so that people can live Islam in any age, any place, in different conditions.
You deny all this when you say just the so called Salafis are the ones trying live like the Salaf would. No, all ahlul Sunnah try to do that. Salafis just don’t like what the tradition says. The traditions is however built on many sincere enlightened Ulama, who lived and breathed for Islam, and did achieve unimaginable things.
The Shaikh is not right about what he said. The behavior of some so called "Salafists" doesn't represent the entire Manhaj "approach". This approach has been known since the times of Sahaba may Allah be pleased with all of them. Since the time Anas Bin Malek radiya Allah anhu said: if the prophet peace be upon him comes now among you, he will recognize the Salat "prayer". It is the Manjah that has been taken later on from Imam Ahmad Bin Hanbal and his school, passing by Shaikh Al-Islam Ibn Tameyah and his great student Ibn Alqayyem. and for those dear brothers who would like to follow the truth, it's very good not to be judgmental, some "Salafi" brothers have the problem of Ujb "arrogance" but many Sufi brothers have the problem of going too far away from Quran and Sunnah. Allah made his Noble Quran easy for ALL Muslims. and he has said it many times in Surat Al-Qamar: "And We have certainly made the Quran easy to remember. So is there anyone who will be mindful?". Use your heart to connect to Quran and Sunnah and ask Allah for Hidaya "guidance" and don't forget me from your du'a :)
Yes he said that but he was talking to the other Ulama, not the common people! Do we have the knowledge to pick and choose what we want to follow?
There are many sellouts amongst the recent scholars.
and even past scholars, men will be men
Indeed
I love brother Murad and he has much knowledge but on this point here I must disagree with him. The Prophet (saw) warned us of a time when "ulama" will come and mislead the ummah. How can we know if we are being mislead if we blindly follow scholars and not question? Islam never had a clergy, we never had an exclusive group who speaks on behalf of God. I have nothing but respect for our past scholars, but they not infallible. This is why we should gain knowledge so we also can know the truth.
I don't understand what you mean
Abdul hakeem murad is the most eloquently spoken speaker who possesses great & sound knowledge. If you don't like his talks then DO ONE. But don't leave disrespectful comments about somebody who is so dear to many Muslims
The essence of the problem of the modern Salafi movement is its utter focus on ONE theological principle - the avoidance of Shirk. Unfortunately, by doing so Muhammad Ibn Wahab made an idol (Shirk) out of Shirk.
Yeah, and that's only if you define shirk by MIAW's overly-broad criteria for shirk. Who knew that detracting so radically from the accumulated wisdom of scholars would so easily lead one astray?
what a nonsense saying
@@ibrahimsiali2419
MIAW books regarding aqidah are based on the Qur'an and Sunnah.
His book were written to combat grave worship.
Mashallah! may Allah reward him.
Good point; but remember, they didn't differ on the pillars and fundamental issues, only minor things. And Allaah knows best
Also it is true that some groups of Salafis today do not know how to study or deal with the Fiqh/Jurispudence of the past Islamic scholars, many of them mixed up the study of the Usool ul-fiqh, Qawaa'id Fiqhiyyah and Fiqh, they study each one of these upon a different Fiqh Madhab, ignoring completely the fact that each Madhab had its own set of Usool ul-Fiqh, Qawaa'id and Fiqh. But some of them do study in the traditional way, especially the Hanbali Madhbab, Also many of them have done an excellent job in a lot of MA and PhD research in many areas of Comparitive Jurispudence/Fiqh ul-Muqaaran.
some people think they have better knowledge than syaikh abdul hakim murad, they should learn more
That would surprise me . He is a scholar , and a very astute and capable one at that . I am amazed at how he managed to encompass the vast literature of Islam . But to my mind , Islam is not about amassing knowledge or knowing more ...
@yout tube anyone thinking sufis are grave worshippers or scholar worshippers is a blatant ignorant and has no idea of the reality at hand
the bin baaz albani salafees are the khawaril Ali (ra) slayed 3000 of them in a battle where they said prior to it that they would have taken Aysha as a slave, that when Ali layed them to waste by the help of Allah. May Allah rid this ummah of these agents .
Goldy Samson. Aameen
Goldy Samson where can I find this information. Is there a specific book about the major and minor incidents that occurred after the tragic death of our Prophet peace and blessings be upon him? I.e. the Rashiduun and Umayyad era.
Goldy Samson no they're not. They aren't even accepted by the khawaaridj.
This is nonsense. They do NOT believe in takfir, which defines the khawarij
Goldy Samson whoa, that's a bold statement. The salafi scholars are nothing like the khawarij. The khawarij are shia, isis, Al Qaeda etc. And Al Qaeda and Taliban are some of the biggest Sufis in the world!
hey brother nice to see you here
I like to check on non Arab Muslims too
but I was deeply saddened to see the idea of "never say salf is wrong" practiced by them too
I like this man and hamza yousef a lot more and I hope they get in contact with sheikh Adnan Ibrahim to see what he has to say and I would love to know their reactions. I'm sure it would be better than Arab's reactions
may Allah guide us all
If you can name a time, or a single instance, when any of the 4 imams had rullings contrary to what the prophet(saw) said or did, or what any of the companions said or did I am all ears.
Which of the salafi ulama degrade the work of Imaam Abu Hanifa, or Imaam Malik, or Imaam Shafi'i or Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal? Which of them say that they are disregarding any of the works of Muhammad ibn Sireen, or Imaam Annawawi ot Sheikh al Islaam ibn Taymiyyah in order to formulate some new understanding according their own interpretations? This is just pure non-sense.
He's on the money with this.
the sufis are the sadiqeen suluha and muqarabeen mentioned in the qur'an. muqarabeen means those brought close to Allah. Seeking the face of Allah is matlub in islam and mentioned in the qur'an. the qur'an says rush to the dhikr of Allah. and also make it in abundance. dhikr is matlub. the problem is u hate dhikr and u like argumentation. a religious conversation with a salafi only lasts a few hours before arguments start. everythings bid'ah sunnah, just a bunch of extremists.
The title of the video suggest something else, however salafis follow the understanding of the salaf (The best 3 Generations)so the video title is negating itself.