The different sects of Salafis & Madkhalis explained by Mohammed Hijāb
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I left madkhalism almost 2 years ago alhumdullah life and my heart is at peace
Alhamdulilah may Allah bless you
"Then you have people who are Athari who don't like any of this stuff, who've had enough of this stuff"
Hey, he just described me !
do you believe that Allah created everything and that Allah does not resemble his creation ?
@@fifafreebies8941 Every muslim believes that
@Ruzaini BinYusof Most muslims are Ashari or Maturidi
@@blackflag6976 not true, regular Muslims don’t ascribe themselves to a sect, and also most Muslims believe Allah is above the throne, unlike asharis and maturidis
"My dad is bigger than your dad!" And meanwhile our communities and families are in pieces.
I've been Muslim for a few months now and I find all these different groups so confusing. I thought accepting the pillars makes you a Muslim...ah man, if only it were that simple lol
so much division nowadays within the Salafi brothers, unfortunately. Insha Allah Allah SWT unites us all upon the Quran and the Sunnah with the understanding of the first 3 generations.
Invoking "the first three generations" I feel is a problem. Its almost like a tacit disapproval of the many great scholars from the Khalaf.
@@dajjubhai7363 we just respect the hadith of the prophet Muhammad ﷺ
@@dajjubhai7363 When the Khalaf have gone astray and against the Salaf, we do need to go back to the origin.
There are many Ulamae Suu and Ulama of Sultan nowadays.
I am a salaf.. when I study this particular ayah
{ يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓاْ أَطِيعُواْ ٱللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُواْ ٱلرَّسُولَ وَأُوْلِي ٱلۡأَمۡرِ مِنكُمۡۖ فَإِن تَنَٰزَعۡتُمۡ فِي شَيۡءٖ فَرُدُّوهُ إِلَى ٱللَّهِ وَٱلرَّسُولِ إِن كُنتُمۡ تُؤۡمِنُونَ بِٱللَّهِ وَٱلۡيَوۡمِ ٱلۡأٓخِرِۚ ذَٰلِكَ خَيۡرٞ وَأَحۡسَنُ تَأۡوِيلًا }
[Surah An-Nisâ': 59]
Sahih International:
O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result.
I have conclude that we are in a situation where there is NO ULIL AMRI.. why? Because when there is of difference most of the modern leaders of muslim lands DO NOT REFER TO QURAN AND ASSUNNAH.. such as in indonesia.
And suddenly there is someone claim to be manhaj salaf.. and said there is ulil amri 🥴 even if he rules with secular laws among muslims.. dude.. wth.. even the ayah said, if the ulil amri has differences with their people REFER BACK TO QURAN AND ASSUNNAH... this is a MAJOR TRAIT OF ULIL AMRI 🤣
I wish bro Muhammed can illustrate this spectrum so we have a point of reference it’s so good mashaAllah
I’m a core salafi and do not subscribe to any of these groups you’ve stated. I follow the Qur’ān and Sunnah and the way of the Salafs. I love you guys for the sake of Allāh and will call against your errs same ways I’d like someone to do about me. In the end, we strive only for Allāh not scholars.
Good say to look at it akhi i completely agree.
Lol every Muslim should believe in the Quran, Sunnah and three pious generations. That's what makes you a MUSLIM. I'm curious as to why you would label yourself as "Salafi" instead of just a Muslim.
Do you believe that Allah created everything and does not resemble his creation ?
@@ninaaden8338 exactlyyyy
@@ninaaden8338 _but sadly though not every Muslim does that, either by deeds or belief. And as the Prophet ﷺ foretold the division of the Ummah into various sects, ONLY ONE IS UPON THE HAQQ. So instead of “lolling”, perhaps we should all reflect upon that don’t you think?
PS this is off-topic esp if you’d carefully watched the 11 mins clip I responded to.
Well said brother MH, to add to all frictions you've mentioned, when you go to other counties, the division and frictions of Madaakhilah is even worse! I've lived in many of those countries and you won't believe how many sects you'll find each city and every village, having more of a "my dad is better than your dad" sickening ideology and the constant fights between them is unprecedented!
The brother should make a graphic so we can better visualize this spectrum
I put together a little visual so I could help myself understand. I just don’t know how I would share it here.
@@Kimeikus Submit a picture of it on imgur and paste the link here. Just a suggestion (no need to do it).
@@Kimeikus please do, that would be awesome
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CZcams keeps hiding my comment.
@@Kimeikus make a video with the graphic
Qur'aan + Ahadeeth through Prophet(SAW), Sahaaba, tabaeen, & tabetabaeen.
We need infographics on this stuff 😅 its like trading in stockmarkets, with a blink of an eye there can be a sudden change🤷
subhanAllah
May Allah protect us form fittan
SubhanAllah. May Allah swt safe guard us
2:11
Easily my favorite part of the entire stream. He really laid everything out. This is like my 3rd listen.
I do think brother MH could have been much less softer with the bootlickers in general
Can we see a visual breakdown of this with the people mentioned?
It is very funny that some people says in the comment section " Ahmadulillah I am not part of these salafi sectarianism because I am Hanafi/Dayoobandi/Sufi/Ashaari"....etc😂😂😂
You are already label your self with a sectarian name which divided Umma...then blaming other's sectarianism...
Reality is some of these people are in terms of Aqeeda...more worse than these Madkalis
Alhamdulillah I don't know any of this nonsense I'm a hanafi ... Anytime a salafi approached me ... Something inside say's JUST SAY NO..
Stick to it 👍. It's the interpretation of a mujtahid who was the greatest of his time who even met few sahabas.
Wow you've got so much brain to say 'NO' 😂
What is interesting what is a stance of Hijab, is he Ashari?
I’m a muslim ☝🏽
Deobani or Barelwi? And there are factions within them.
I thought the trinity was hard to understand this modern day salafism is next level 😂
Well they do have their "Trinity of tawhid" doctrine that was promulgated in their second council of Najdiya.
@@LITTLE-ROCKtaqseem al tawheed has roots in the salaf themselves. Ask Mohamed hijab himself if you think I’m wrong. It’s definitely not from najd and not from a few hundred years ago
The Salafiyya sect disrespected the four major unorthodox Sunni schools by claiming they are different sects due to their differences they had with their creed and fiqh and Allah SWT inflicted many sects within them as a punishment. In one region in Pakistan I heard there were Ahlul Hadith which is a Salafi sect within the Indian sub-continent and they split into 8 different sub-sects making tabdee on each other. In a single region???? This explains perfectly what they were discussing on this video and I'm not even from the sub-continent but when I was hearing about this I knew the fitna of this sect and Allah provides clear signs who is upon haq and who is upon misguidance and alhamdulillah I've seen it all. It truly amazes me how Asha'ari and Maturidi alone account 85% of the Ummah and these two schools consider each other as one family likewise the Hanabilla also are included in the family.
what if we dont and actually use the principles of the 4 and are more in line and common with them than you would think
What's the difference between the hanabila aqeedah and today's salafi aqidah?
@@AbdulRahman-ci9rf Major difference and I don't know where to begin so I'll start with Bismillahi Rahmani Raheem.
If you go back to the early Hanbali scholars and try to compare them to modern-day pseudo-Salafis, you will see two contradicting creeds.
Let's go back to Imam Ibn Qudamah (RA) the codifier of the Hanbali madhab who written one of the greatest books on fiqh called Al Mughni and the head of Athari theology.
Imam Ibn Qudamah (RA) on Tafwid Al Ma'na.
لا حاجة لنا إلى علم معنى ما أراد الله تعالى من صفاته جل وعز فإنه لا يراد منها عمل ولا يتعلق بها تكليف سوى الإيمان بها ويمكن الإيمان بها من غير علم معناها فإن الإيمان بالجهل صحيح فإن الله تعالى أمر بالإيمان بملائكته وكتبه ورسله وما أنزل إليهم وإن كنا لا نعرف من ذلك إلا التسمية
“There is no need for us to know the meanings of what Allah intended from His Attributes, for indeed, He has not intended any action by them and neither has He attached any responsibility regarding them besides believing in them. It is possible to believe in them without knowledge of their meanings and therefore, indeed faith with ignorance [of the meanings] is correct. Verily, Allah has ordered us to have faith in His angels, His books, His messengers and what He had revealed unto them even if we do not know of them except their names.”
[Tahrīm al-Naẓr fī Kutub al-Kalām, pg. 51]
وهي الإيمان بالألفاظ والآيات والأخبار بالمعنى الذي أراده الله تعالى والسكوت عما لا نعلمه من معناها وترك البحث عما لم يكلفنا الله البحث عنه من تأويلها ولم يطلعنا على علمه واتباع طريق الراسخين الذين أثنى الله عليهم في كتابه المبين حين قالوا {آمنا به كل من عند ربنا}
“It is to have faith in the words, the verses and reports with the meaning that Allah has intended (i.e., to say something similar to what has been reported by Imām Shafi’i which has been mentioned above), silence upon what we do not know regarding its meanings, to leave searching for what Allah has not burdened us with and searching for their explanations as well as what He has not informed us from His Knowledge and to follow the path of those who are steadfast whom Allah has commended in His clear Book wherein they say: “We believe in all that has come from our Lord.” (Qur’ān, 3:7)
[Tahrīm al-Naẓr fī Kutub al-Kalām, pg. 51]
وعلموا أن المتكلم بها صادق لا شك في صدقه فصدقوه ولم يعلموا حقيقة معناها فسكتوا عما لم يعلموه وأخذ ذلك الآخر والأول ووصى بعضهم بعضا بحسن الإتباع والوقوف حيث وقف أولهم وحذروا من التجاوز لهم والعدول عن طريقهم وبينوا لهم سبيلهم ومذهبهم ونرجوا أن يجعلنا الله تعالى ممن اقتدى بهم في بيان ما بينوه وسلوك الطريق الذي سلكوه
“And they (the Salaf) knew that the One who spoke them (Allah) was truthful without doubt, so they believed Him. And they did not know the reality of their meanings [i.e. the Attributes], so they were silent about what they did not know. The later and the earlier ones adhered to this. Thus, they strongly advised one another of good obedience and stopping where their formers stopped. And they warned from exceeding their bounds and diverging from their [i.e. the Salaf’s] path. Furthermore, they elucidated their methodology and doctrinal positions. We hope to Allah that He makes us from the ones who followed them in explaining what they explained and following the path that they traverse.”
[Dhamm al-Ta’wīl, 1/11]
Do you see the difference in creed between Imam Ibn Qudamah (RA) and the pseudo-Salafis today? The Imam of the Hanbali school literally admitted this was the manhaj of the Salaf regarding the ambiguous verses is to affirm all those attributes in the manner Allah intended whilst consigning the meaning to Allah. The Salafis, however, object by saying they know the meaning without asking how but this is where it gets technical because according to the early Hanabilla and I'm going back to the Salaf that Imam Ahmed Bin Hanbal (RA) was a known Muffawid and those who took a literal meaning where known as the anthropomorphist's.
Imam Ahmad ibn Muhammad al-Khallal (RA), who died in Hijra year 311, and who took his fiqh from Imam Ahmad’s students, relates in his Kitab al-Sunna through his chain of narrators from Hanbal ibn Ishaq al-Shaybani, the son of the brother of Ahmad ibn Hanbal’s father, that Imam Ahmad was asked about the hadiths mentioning, "Allah’s descending," "seeing Allah," and "placing His foot on hell"; and the like, and Ahmad replied: "
"We believe in it and testify to the truthfulness of it, without explaining 'how' and without 'meaning', nor do we reject anything of it. We know that whatever the Messenger Salallahu Alayhi Wa Salam came with is the truth; we do not reject anything from the Messenger of Allah Salallahu Alayhi Wa Salam, nor do we describe Allah with more than he described himself with, without any limit nor any boundaries. "There is nothing equal to him, and He is al-Sami' al-Basi' We say as He said and describe Him with what he described Himself with nor do we go beyond this. The descriptions of those who attempt to describe him cannot grasp Him. We believe in all of the Qur'an, the muhkam and mutashabih. We do not reject any of His attributes due to them appearing repulsive, we do not go beyond the Qur'an and the narrations and we do not know how to understand them, except through the truthfulness of the Messenger Salallahu Alayhi Wa Salam and the affirmation of the Qur'an"
- Lum'ah al-Itiqad of Imam Ibn Qudamah
Also mentioned by Ibn Qudamah in Dhamm al-Ta'wil Hadith 33, Qadi Abu Ya'la in Ibtal al-Taw'wilat vol.1, no.9, and Ibn Battah (d.387 H) in al-Ibanah vol.7 Hadith 5, who reports it via Abdullah bin Hanbal instead of Hanbal bin Ishaq.
Even Imam Abu Ya'la (RA) who Salafis love to mention denied attributing a direction and place to Allah.
Imam Abu Ya`la (RA) says: “What is meant by ‘aboveness’ is Allah’s 'istiwa' in person on the Throne, which is a limit for him in the direction that is bounded by the Throne. As for the other directions, such as above, behind, in front, and left, they are not bounded. I say: these words are the very root of anthropomorphism, because what bounds is either greater or smaller than what is bounded, and these dimensions only apply to bodies."
Imam Abu Ya’la al-Hanbali (RA) says, “Indeed, Allah Most High is not to be described with [residing in a] place.” (Daf’ Shubah al-Tashbih, P: 43)
Do you see even the early Hanbali sources contradict the creed of these pseudo-salafis and they call us Jahmis for following the creed of Imam Shafi'i (RA) and Imam Ahmed (RA)? The position of Ahlu Sunnah when dealing with the ambiguous verses of Allah regarding the attributes of Allah is to believe and affirm them in the intending meaning by Allah SWT and his messenger (PBUH) without knowing what it is. The three pious generation of Muslims negated the howness (nafi al kayf) and consign the meaning (tafweed al-ma'n) of them to Allah.
The real Atharis still exist even today and they are known as unorthodox Hanbalis. They strictly adhere to their madhab and are Muffawids in creed. They have a large presence in Egypt, Sham (Greater Syria), Iraq and even some live in Saudi Arabia that don't follow the manhaj of Sheikh MIAW.
Yes the disrespect for the traditional 'ulema of old is sickening.
@@AbdulRahman-ci9rfit’s the same. The early hanbalis had the same aqeedah as those who follow the aqeedah of the salaf today
This is so true . It also falls within the sufi and barelwi type groups . They all have their factions and the common theme between both of them types or groups is that they promote their own sheikhs or recent contemporary scholars. They miss the gap of the Interpretation of the classical traditional scholars which is a huge error.
It's great MH and this brother are talking about this . I've also seen this other channel.. Islam Answers... the also speak about this and also have a good platform for questions and answers using Quran Hadith and Interpretation of the classical scholars.
Good work lads Allah subhantallah bless you .
Classical or modern, let's hear it all.
The people divided themselves into many sects, each with their own book and each happy with whatever they had.
23.53 Quran.
@Abdullah how can you tell what allies the best with the quran and sunnah?
Jazakallah brother hijab.
I had come to almost the same conclusions after doing little research on them and listening to their lectures on various topics.
They are all not same.
The extreme group, who is against even their own moderate group, just imagine what their views will be for the rest of the ummah (95%+ muqallids). So I don't even consider them worth listening, no matter If they are doing little good. Afterall, their harm is exceeding their good.
Wow wallahi I wish this video didn’t end, very clear and made me see more things clearly now
The Shaytan attacks from the right. He takes something that is good and destroys it for this Ummah. That is what has happened with these sectarianism. Alhamdulillah Mohamed Hijab and some Ulama have been able to see through this and focus on just one simple thing, giving Dawah. Alhamdulillah, Allahu Akhbar!🤲🏽
The people divided themselves into many sects, each with their own book and each happy with whatever they had.
23.53
Sad, I really pray Allah guides us all on the Sunnah of his prophet, sadly, this is a very common trend within the Sunnah community everywhere.
I don’t think they wait until you reach a certain amount of subscribers
They just wait until you criticise their holy grail leaders in SAUDI
Brothers, you didn't mention the Yemeni madkhalis, the followers of Al-Hajoori. They're on a different level
Brother Daniel, please reupload this podcast on something else than youtube, I was listening to it but saw today that it was deleted.
I have to listen to this again went way over my head.
I needed this. I could also use an explanation for why your position is the correct one
Thank god im not salafi
salaf mean the predecessors ( sahaba and their followers and their followers) if your say i am not following them then how can you be a muslim ?
@@MrAhmedUA he didn't say he doesn't follow them, he said thank God he's not salafi
@@MrAhmedUA
Eytomological fallacy, brother.
There’s a linguistic meaning of Salafi (following the first three generations) which we all are, but there is also another meaning in this current social context which we do not want to be.
@@MrAhmedUA Islam has nothing to do with following normal people. It’s about Worshiping Allah SWT and taking The Prophet SAWAWS as your role model
@@MrAhmedUA Salafi is an innovated name that creates division within the Ummah. Best is to unite under the name Muslims. This doesn't mean we don't call out Bid'ah when we see it, rather we treat it on a case by case basis instead of painting a whole group with the same brush of tabdī'. Wallāhu A'lam.
I wonder where sheikh Assim Al Hakeem is in this section. Is he in the middle or left?
At times, it's essential to take a step back and consider the broader perspective. Some individuals following the Salafi ideology seem to focus intensely on specific details, almost as if they aim to live within a single pixel of the larger picture.
What is the jama'ah of prophet Muhammad today, may i ask?
BarakAllahu Feekum 🤍🖤
Alhamdulillah by Allah's permission I am an *AthariSunni* I'm NOT a hooligan; Massive Tabdee oppressors who pick and choose in the religion.
I watched this live and this is the biggest assessment Muhammad hijab could have made and he has done it superbly and perfectly well‼️ i truthfully detest that extreme tabdee and takfeeree attitude even though I hate innovators and their innovations and those whom i deem to be rejectors of the book of Allah and the Sunnah as disbelievers and I'm referring to the couch potatoes. I strive to follow the middle path of the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ and the way of the Salaf and great scholars and not go to the extremes not will i subscribe only to one particular scholar and their away the rest. That i consider extreme blind following and it can carry severe consequences.
The burnout is well observed and documented. Anything that leads to a level of burnout that you even renounce Islam means there's a very serious problem in the whole foundation. That's all I have to say.
That burnout exists amongst the sufis and shia also.
How do you decide to follow who (which scholar)?
I love how brother Hijab used likert scale to show sectarian 😂
I honestly didn't know that ummah is broken to this extent, I knew about the sects Indo-Pak, That people call each other by different names, But I thought other Muslims would be more sensible and united. But I guess it's too much to ask.
This is the fitnah mentioned in the sahih hadith.. Its one of the fitnas of aakhir zaman.
Abandon these fitnas and do not get distracted by this, just obey and worship Allah as he asked.
Nah it’s all tiny differences, just a few decades ago Muslims weren’t divided like now people just lived along each other, these days certain sects and scholars from certain countries divided the ummah and got them busy with each other
@@mashallah1635 and also these online scholars content makers especially those that come in reels etc ... Are creating bigger fitna and confusing the younger generation
Tabee3 maniacs have made this wretched method based upon a false interpretation of Jarh wa Tadeel as the core understanding of Islam, leaving their vulnerable followers extremely insecure,self righteous and arrogantly holding onto this system that inevitably taints and poisons the good relationships between Muslims by filling the hearts with suspicions and rancor.
I am from Jordan and I can say that this explanation is inaccurate. We have Salafis who are not Madkhalis at all and who are in complete opposition of the established secular governments, those were not addressed here. "Jordanian Salafis" are mostly those who follow the Ahl Assunnah way but at the same time most of them understand the danger of the geopolitical status quo of Muslims and aspire to a unifying Caliphate.
Madkhalis has become more of a methodology that denotes projecting prior scholars views of the Caliphate rulers at the time to the current unprecedented secular Muslim governments. It doesn't matter whether these individuals were from Saudi Arabia or Jordan, whether they're the students of Rabii Al-Madkhali or not, this could explain the origins of the this ignorant school of thought right, but now it has become a phenomenon that needs proper labelling i.e., Madkhalis.
Agree with you, as Hijab continued he seemed to imply like the entire Salafi movement is either halabi or madkhali, although he initially mentioned them as a spectrum of madkhalis. A more proper split segmentation is whether they are political or non-political.
Looks like you got some Ahlulhadith there in Jordan. Mohammed hijab completely ignore Ahlul hadith who have same aqeedah as salafis but are far away from the scholarly disputes.
The likes of Sheikh Jalal abulRub.
He said in the UK.
I would say Murji'ah is even more of a correct term.
he is talking about the dawah scene on youtube and uk specifically not what things are like in jordan
I've never listened to Muhammad Hijab at length, but this scale is on Point LOL!
Nothing that isn’t genuine will last, there’s a reason the 4 madhabs lasted and the aqidah of the early ones mostly ones who adhere to the tahawiyah lasted because all preserved the religion through with them
Ummah is going through great tribulation. May Allah help us.
Where would you rank Bro Hajji on your Salafi political spectrum?
Spectrums of Salafism are good for an analysis. However, comments made by the people in the UK sitting in the comfort of a large Muslim electorate and a wider social presence, and generalizing organizations in the US like Yaqeen that have a wider target audience than niche European Salafi crowd, as appeasing to Feminism or liberalism, is not accurate. A lot of that comes from their own presumptions (or should I say self-righteousness?). This is characterized by instances like when MH accused Shaykh Yasir Qadhi and Shaykh Omar Suleiman of directly responsible for inviting Ilhan Omar to ICNAMAS , when they had nothing to do with the decisions of ICNA---- But MH never bothered to even inquire before putting up a video accusing them of appeasing liberals.
Most of these splits are political and dependents on your sheikh’s political affiliations. The most secure is being independent.
Where would you put Abu mussab wajdi?
My muslim brothers ISLAM is JUSTICE anyone who tells you that you need to defend tyranny and oppression is on thw wrong path
Some extreme madkhalis say ..
Mufti menk is deviant
All deobandis deviants
Even many say green lane is deviant 😀😂, just because they r little moderate.
Shamsi, akkari, Hammadi, etc. are from them. Add more guys if u know.
What abt sheikh karim 🤔where does he lie?
I first denial when they did the postcast last time.
Hijab, can you make a video on the Muslim Brotherhood
There is no doubt as far as knowledge is concerned and who are closer the to sunnah are the salafi brothers but unfortunately as far as implementation is concerned they are lacking
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If you know how to pray, fast, do hajj and give charity. Get on with your life.
What's the difference between salafi and kulafi. Are they different sects. What are their ideologies.
Why is Hijab hesitating to call them Halabi, just say it we call people hanafi , maliki, ashari
Can anyone tell me what's a salafi and a madkhali
Why just can't we call ourselves Muslims and move on? Yes believing in the Quran and Sunnah and the 3 generations (Sahaba, Tab'in, Taba Tab'in) but why is it that we have to associate or label ourselves with a particular group? Yes there are learned scholars and you can take knowledge from them but to indulge into groups and sects is something that confuses me. May Allah swt guide and unite us all Ameen.
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatahu
My brother Mohames Hijab it is clear that there are many different types of people who ascribe to salafiyyah and some are extreme and some are not. You have some that you have missed, and they are those who dont stick to particular scholars and refrain from making tabdee leaving that to scholars. Please we have to be just, you can call them Athari or salafee, these are titles, I am aware of the negativity surrounding the title salafee but there are those who ascribe to the title but they are just and are not harsh and do not follow specific scholars blindly. May Allah guide us to what is pleasing to Him. Ameen
You have to know though that this spectrum of belief is found in all groups. In shias, sufi and even Jews and Catholics. No one is a monolith
you're right bro, even in sufism, asharism, maturidism, hell even atheism are all divided to small pieces, it is like nature of Humans is like this
No, there are no sects ampng the salafis, you cannot go against the very creed of the salaf and claim that you’re salafi. If I say that khuruj is permissible and I say I’m salafi, that doesnt mean there are groups within the community, that person isn’t even a salafi?!
8)Haafidh Ibn Hibbaan said about the Ahl al-Hadeeth that: "They act upon the ahadeeth, they defend it and annihilate its opponents." [Sahih Ibn Hibbaan, Al- Ihsaan
9)Imam al-Haakim said: Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal did well when he commented on this report by saying that the "victorious group"who will prevail until the Hour begins is Ashaab al- hadeeth (the people of hadeeth). Who is more deserving of this description than people who follow the way of the righteous and follow in the footsteps of the "SALAF" who came before us, and exposed the falsehood of the people of bidah (innovation) by basing their arguments on the Sunnahs of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)? [Marifat Uloom al-Hadeeth, by al- Haakim al-Nisaboori, p. 2, 3]
Now please start a series of the early najdi salafis when MIAW started expanding
The one eye man is king in the land of the blinds
👍🏼👍🏼
Next time use the pictures of those Sheikhs so we can easily identify them
Nice ❤🎉
So much confusion and sects, where is a well-meaning muslim supposed to go? smh
Three problem is not the Aqeedah or the core element of the deed they all don't disagree on that but just on who who you should take from or not. So don't get confused or sacred just focus on learning knowledge that matters quran and sunnah through the understanding of the pious previous predecessor
The medhabs have now become sects. We're forgetting that unity is more important than different opinions on fiqh. In my humble opinion, we need to identify as Muslim only and stop identifying ourselves as members if mehabs.
Wahabi madkhalis can’t even agree among themselves so how are they meant to agree with anyone else.
The real salaf is ahl alsunna wljamaa who followed the salaf and everyone knows them hanabila, and shafia, and hanfiya, and malikia. And just to clarify something the madakhila is not salaf they are trying to but there selfs with the salafi even if its on there own blood but the salaf knows them. But they actually are murjia and khawarig and they are khawarig on the muslims and scholars and sheiks.
At least salafis agree on aqeedah.
Alhamdulillah!
They don't. In their second council of najdiya they promulgated the "Trinity of tawhid" doctrine, while some later wahabis insist there is a 4th tawhid.
@@LITTLE-ROCK that's not a disagreement in aqeedah. That's a disagreement in terminology. Dividing tawheed was done by some of the salaf like Imam Tabari.
Genuine question to all....how can I create My own sect so there could be a sub-sect made out of that to the point there are 73,000 sub sects!
can someone explain to me what tabdiyah is?
Meaning to say your on bidah and wrong
*Takfeer* = excommunication on the basis of disbelief. For example, when someone declares that a group of people have left the fold of Islam.
*Tabdee’* = excommunication on the basis of innovation. When someone is declared to be an innovator.
These two matters are a part of our religion, however, it’s a very dangerous game when people who don’t have knowledge think they have the right to do these types of things to people.
It should be left to the scholars.
what is mubtadha?
better thing to do is move to a Muslim country study Quran with a teacher and go make your 5 in the masjid everyday. you don't see people engaging in all of this everyday in Muslim lands like in uk and America. all of this distracts people from Quran and personal rectification.
😂so i should not be a salafi??? But be an ashari, maatureedi, hanafi, shaafi, Naqshbandi, chishthee, shaadilee, deobandi hayaati, deobandi mamaati, barelwi with different sub sects, ikhwaani, hizb tahreeri, tableeghi with its two sub sects markazi and shooraee, all differing with each other and barelwis not praying salah behind the imams of mecca n medina, etc, etc. 😂😂😂
Better to follow those scholars who united the muslims under one Imam around the kaaba than those imams who divided the ummah between four musallaas around the kaaba for nearly five hundred years.
Also much better to follow who call towards taeheed and oppose grave worship rather than the other two groups among which one indulged in grave worship and one watches quietly in the name of islamic brotherhood.
While Quran promotes islamic brotherhood it is also known as Al Furqaan, a criterion which separates the truth from the falsehood.
3:12 ???
Mohammed hijab is separating the salafi based on scholars , the problem is that all the salafis are on the same aqeedah, the salafis who are trying to anchor a scholar for all to follow is WRONG ……I am a salafi and I consider all of them salafi scholars I don’t discriminate. If you are upon the salaf aqeedah derrived from the first 3 gen you are a salafi to me ……..some make mistakes some make more mistakes than others …..
1 example of salafi/wahabi theological absurdity. 👇
We read in Sefat Allah by Alawi al-Saqaaf, page 160:
“Jealousy is a quality of Allah almighty, and it’s a suitable quality for him.” 🤮
Good explanation of 10yrs beefing in the west lol
Abu taymiiyah and abu usama at thahabi are what i call semi madkhalis they only have some madkhali views bit overall theyre ok and better then the likes of dawah man shamsi co
I think this discussion is non sense, unproductive and emphasises rifts within a Jamah rather than an effort to bridge gaps and seek amity, confirmation, peace and unity.
In the Qur'an, Allah commands unity and some of our brothers indulge in name-calling /slurs and emphasise and invest time in highlighting differences to the point of disunity and disintegration, effectively contributing to the weakening of the Ummah!
Inna Lillahi Wa Inna Ilaihi Rajioon!
Lailaha ila Allah. Brothers need to wake up and some back to our Prophet pbuh Sunna and teachings. Why is everyone on on the zigzag ways instead of the straight path
Any genuine preachers will be attacked.
When you come a, deobandi mosque but your friends call you salafi lol 😂 coz u havd strong views lol 😂
So their are Daeshi,Ikhwani,madkhali,sururiyya 🙃
The question is for me, is wahdatul wujud is right or wrong.
it is kufr in Allah, His Book and His Messenger
sounds like Salafi are the same as Sufi in looking at thier Syeikh/Scholar, salafi have thier own tareeqah and khalifah but the call it something else..
Subhannallah the whole salafi/madkhali stuff sounds like a big mess and far from the traditional unity. Stay to the 3 traditional schools of Ahlu Sunna: Athari/Hanbali, ash’ari, maturidi
its the basic response of any Saudi bootlicker, if you criticized the Stuff that is going on around them : youre Ekhwan Muslimeen
AbdulRahman Hassan wouldn't oppose sitting with a deobandi if for a good reason, this is clear from his speech. He's not as rigid as you make him seem to be.
Meanwhile us asharis are watching and eating popcorn
You both have to bear in mind that Salafism is not a political party, or a school of thought or a current which belongs to that country or this. Being a Salafist means that you follow the Qur'an and sunnah of our prophet peace be upon him based on the understanding of Sahaba not the doctrine of Elmawdoudi, Elnadwaoui, or Sayed Qutub. No one is targeting you, but mainstream scholars pointed out your deviations and inventions so that ordinary people will be aware of what is going on in terms of the amount of your deception. So, instead of giving evidence and defending yourself objectively, you are playing the role of the victim and radiate the idea of being targeted and seeking for support from other inventors. Bootlickers as you named them are worshipping Allah the almighty by obedience to their governors according to prophet guidance as it is stated in authentic Hadiths. They denounced revolution and khoroudje not because they advocate governors, but the know that khoroudje has never brought positive things and they already know the outcomes. Simultaneously, you are following the sunnah of khawaridje in terms of disobedience and rebellion. Try to list one advantage of revolution and khoroudje path then you will be eligible for speaking on something else.
Politicalising the Manhaj of Allah…. Not very clever
This is so confusing LOL
What a mess!
The mudkhali not madkhali
Ash'aris > Salafis. I'm sorry but anybody with sound intellect will agree
Let the war begin 😂
@@saxibsaxib8852 They don't formally identify as Asharis but many of their arguments are kalam arguments. I honestly think its smart to identify as an Athari. It makes both Asharis and Salafis think you're on their side.
@@dajjubhai7363 To be honest with you both Daniel and Hijab aren't really Athari. Imam Ahmed Bin Hanbal (RA) forbid using kalam and if you meet unorthodox Hanbalis, they take this position and adhere to it strictly but Salafis contradict the Hanbali position by always using kalam and they argue because Ibn Taymiyyah (RA) used kalam but even Hanbali ulama have stated that Ibn Taymiyyah (RA) is not a representative of the Hanbali creed because he deviated from the mainstream Hanbali creed due to his literalism and intoxication of philosophy.
The Ash'ari and Hanabilla actually respect each other and make tabdee on Salafis but at the same time the Ash'ari respect level headed Salafis like Daniel and Hijab even if they don't call themselves Salafi they still have their creed.
@@lumiam6982 they use logic to prove gods existence but when it comes to the attributes of Allah سبحان وتعالى they affirm
Athari > Ash’ari. Anyone who knows history and sound intellect will agree