SHOGUN Episode 8 Trailer Explained
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- čas přidán 19. 05. 2024
- I review, breakdown and explain the Shogun Episode 8 Trailer. I react to the preview which is focussed on Lord Ishido looking to marry Lady Ochiba, Mariko’s death, and Toranaga's secret plan of going to Osaka in the buildup to the battle of Sekigahara following the death of his son Nagakado. I also give my theories and predictions on episode 8.
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Lady Ochiba has the perfect evil anime villan voice.
She also looks like a creepy caricature from some horror movie with that wry smile. It may turn out she is the true puppet master.
Lady ochiba son will be more evil when ochiba death after sekigahara. And the prince will be die at toranaga will be shogun and daimyo
Its so funny when I watch her from a different Japanese Rom Com show and this at the same time. Totally different characters lol.
@@jonfreeman9682she does. She reminds me of a junji ito character
yes i love her voice for this reason
The friendship of lady ochiba and mariko plays a crucial role
The wait is torturous.
It never gets quicker!
Toranaga's brother told Nagakado at the spring family is everything..
That told me everything I needed to know..
Those two have something cooking
More importantly, he chose to shame him with a silly story and tell a false powerful story.
"Trojan Horse."
Marikos death is the thing that will solidify Johns loyalty to Toranaga. She is the one who told him that the Japanese honour their dead by continuing their fight. He will take her duty as his own.
The show just keeps delivering. I never know what to expect episode to episode.
Yeah it really does! Every single episode!
True
Just finished the episode. I think crimson sky is still on but now he has free ticket to go inside osaka with his army because he surrendered. it’s like a Trojan horse without the horse.
Episode 9 is literally titled Crimson Sky
Saeki's story about Toranga shitting on the horse and riding it anyways. He was sympathizing for the horse because now he's the horse.
Toranaga sieging Osaka would be antithetical to what actually happened at the battle of Sekigahara. It was all about drawing the enemy out of Osaka.
@@nicksantos43 if we’re going to bring up the battle of sekigahara which may or may not be shown in Ep10, then Saeki would be a good replacement for Hideaki.
@@nicksantos43 I agree with you. That's why it is strategically important that Mariko gets the hostages out of Osaka Castle. Ishido will lose his ace when he has no more hostages and stay on Osaka to be besieged. Without hostages he will be forced to meet Toranaga's army out in the open.
we are definitely going to expect some heart breaking moments, as you mentioned, death of Mariko is around the corner and I also believe one of my favorite characters is going to die heroically; Hiromatsu. Tokugawa Ieyasu lost one of his most loyal generals and an old friend just before the battle of the sekigahara , he was to defend a castle to his last breath even though he was outnumbered greatly, and he defended the castle heroically to his last breath and caused the enemy great losses. I'm also getting to like Yabushige's character just because I'm fond of his actor, Tadanobu Asano, a pure comedian midst of chaotic world of shogun. I believe he is going to die honorably which might be another tragedy; a tragedy we might not consider yet.
Plot twist: Mariko secretly survives her trip to Edo and enters witness protection.
Well let's hope!
Random Theory: Before Toranaga met with Gin he was writing a will and said he wants to leave some land to his grandchildren. Could he possibly have another son in Edo who has his own army?
I think Blackthorn is definitely in on the plan, and the new ship in the harbor will play a part.
Yeah I hope so!
I'm thinking he really didn't loose many men during the earthquake. And that's the surprise.
Very good, mariko will keep way for hostage being saved by anjin sama👍👍👍👍😁😁😁nice i subscribe n like yours.. Ow looking forward nex episode.. I cant hold
wow i cant believe i didnt think of the trojan horse idea. I hope it is actually that, i think it would be an incredibly crafty thing and just like toranaga to not share it with anyone
I won't try to predict episode 8!
I'll be watching.
Mariko is the Danaerys Targaryen of Shogun, the can only kill her in the last episode or at the most stretch last 2 episode... She is the heart of the Show.
Clues are on IMdB one line synopsis.
Episode 10 Description on IMDB 😢
" In the wake of a tragic death, Blackthorne finally considers the true nature of Toranaga's plan "
BRO
If you read the history of the characters the show is based off of, you'd know what to expect. Most characters are historically accurate and the only thing they messed around for the most part are the timelines. Like certain events happened in different years and in the show they make it all happen within the show's timeline.
I DON'T CARE MARIKO DIES!
AS LONG IT'S NOT FUJI-SAMA, IT'S OKAY!
PROTECT FUJI-SAMA AT ALL COST!
HEI HEI HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
@@rhs_0938 HEI HEI HOOOOOOOOOOO!
This is a significant diversion from the book that I'm not sure what will happen next. Crimson Sky was never intended to attack Osaka, but was a drive to Kyoto and the emperor. Ishido is too strong in Osaka.
In the book and mini-series, Toranaga agreed to go to Osaka, but was allowed to go on his own. I don't know how he will get out from his brother's escort. Looking forward to next week.
He agreed but didn't go due to "ill health". But with this version, who knows?
One of the luxuries for screenwriters writing for a 10-part TV series is they have a 10-hour long movie both to develop and pace the arc of a story, unlike in a feature movie where everything has to be compressed within a 2-hour span. At the same time, they could take time to develop the internal journey of the protagonist. The original (1977) Star Wars was just 1 hour and 21 minutes of running time, but we see the boy hero, Luke, made the internal journey from being a callow youth living on a small desert planet to being a fighter pilot with the Zen of The Force.
At Episode 7 (with 3 more to go), we see that Ajin-san Blackthorne has not changed much internally: he is still that barbarian with European ways and attitude-his internal journey, though there are flashes (his righting up of the Zen Garden stone, for example), is yet to fulfill its arc.
In Episode 1, the storytellers invested quite a significant part of precious movie time to Lord Yabusige's obsession with a person's passing into death. Said one of his men, "My lord, he's obsessed with the moment of death. When you are powerless and it's inevitable-how a man faces such a moment."
That is an internal journey, and man, Yabusige in Episode 1 feels to me like a BIG SETUP. We will see the payoff before this very well-made series is over.
Post Note:
Episode 8 has the title, "The Abyss of Life." Sounds like a dead giveaway.
Lady Ochiba will be taken out by Miroko in a battle. Toranaga will do a surprise attack to capture the child king and take out the "committee" while conquering Osaka. Fuji will raise the child king. Ojin and his uncle will die as traitors after fighting for Toranaga as he has already stripped them of all assets. Blackthorn will be reunited with his crew and take out the Portuguese priests but never leave Japan. The Willow community will be built in the future as Tornaga will use the consorts to poison/kill the enemy and gain information while servicing them.
How do you know this?
There is a book. I'm sure that OP read the book.
@@johnnytczhe’s just making it up
In history Lady Ochiba and her son were executed after Tokugawa won the war
Dont forget toronaga in ealier part left them..i guess he talk to his brother ealier and plan this before the offer for saeki to become a member of the council...its all his plan to accept that offer and bring him to Osaka
Toranaga utilized birds and spies for communication, suggesting the possibility of his seeking reinforcements directly from Edo, without his advisor's awareness.
Furthermore, in the preceding episode, he requested Priest Alvito to advocate for an alliance in return for establishing a church in Edo. Therefore, it is plausible that developments arising from this request will be observed.
I think Toranaga and blackthorne have a plans during episode 7 Buntaro pleads with his father to ride out and gather the rest of Toranagas army at Edo or something so Toranaga still has men in reserve and blackthorne mentions again about his ship and also mentions that Osaka and no major Japanese city has defenses against an attack from the sea. So I think Toranaga is faking his surrender and enter Osaka while balckthorne will ambush Osaka from the sea while Buntaro rushes the cities gates and Marako is on the inside of Osaka dealing with the hostages and probably looking to kill lady Ochiba. But I think we’re going to see Toranaga kill his brother next episode and take Osaka while Ishido flees which will set up the battle of Sekigahara
I need lady ochiba to say "ARA ARA" and we good 😂
I want to see the Battle of Sekigehara(sp?) too, and I also hope they show Ishido’s fate from the novel ….. it was, um, creative….
I don't want to see Mariko die even though that's how it is in the book. Maybe Toranaga and his bro do have a trojan horse thing going on or something cooked up. All i know is that Tuesday can't get here quick enough! More good insights from BrainPilot, keep em coming!
Yeah, thanks for that numbnuts. Ffs
Why would you write that? Some of us don’t want to know book spoilers ffs
I think they'll change the story like they did giving the boy a stupid death. They're not following the book strictly and have taken creative liberties. These unexpected twists and turns are brilliant.
@@jonfreeman9682impossible to change the story bruh, this series is based on true story
@@jsmith6974 I didn't reveal anything that wasn't in the video which had a spoiler warning but sorry.
She wanted a way out and Toranaga had a plan.
It's true! So sad
Dammit 💔
Its gonna break my heart if Mariko and John's budding love ends so tragically. But, the Japanese love their tragic loves as much as the Greeks lol.
I'm preparing for my heart to be broken when John sees it happen!
@@BrainPilotMe too. I've been dreading it since episode 1.
It really does need some action now! However its been a masterpiece without it so far, but it would be knocked down a whole mark from me if there isn't significant action in the final few epispodes.
I was so looking forward to Crimson Sky storming the castle epic battle but what we get instead is sublime diplomatic chess. Hopefully we'll still get some fights later.
@@jonfreeman9682 yeah it keeps building up and then not a lot happens, but it's still very good and I don't want action for the sake of action, but the pace does need to pick up IMO
@@apexoldguy episode 9 is titled Crimson Sky so it might happen there
@@apexoldguy You can bet on John Blackthorne sailing his ship blasting cannon on the castle. They've been building up to this so no way will he just stand on the sidelines doing nothing.
Good work
Historically, Tokugawa's son is still alive, and Mariko died by this episode, and Tokugawa took over the castle
Yeah it is slightly different it seems!
I don't rember who and I'm pretty sure it was in the books only. Some priest that had some japanese followers and was imprisoned too and they were all being executed like one per day. He told Blackthorn: I am the only who will tell you the truth. If lord Toranaga has claimed you, you will never leave Japan.
it could be her last, it all depends on watt hey will show in this episode her death ore will it be in episode 9
So i am curious does toronaga have more sons in the novel? Write book spoiler if you want to answer so people wont get spoiled
Book Spoiler: Yes, he has several sons, including his heir whom we should see next episode at Edo castle. There is an amazing scene on loyalty in the book - hope it shows up here.
@@KINGSUNA cant wait and man hope he will be a bit like his father and more calm reserved 😅
torunaga's son has dead? even his brother can turn against him, only the anjin can help torunaga, the battle is on the sea,
This show is awesome! Great cast, plot, acting, cinematography...it's all fantastic.
Yeah it really is! It's top tier
Yes you're genius, i think this is a tactics between the brotherss. To test all of their subordinates if they are all in to this fight. Toranaga and his brother want to filter out their forces first by doing this surrender tactics.
But Nagakado was too impulsive and no patience to act fool,And now his dead. He should trust the old man.
Yeah Nagakado was always going to do something like this. It's a shame he didn't just listen to his father!
Seems like Yabushige wouldve been a great pirate in a different life. he just wants to be free and torturous 😅
I think he'd make an excellent pirate. I really like Yabu in this series...he is horrible and likeable at the same time. Kudo's to the actor and the writers for pulling that off.
At this point I’m just watching this tv show for fun
Why else would you watch it?
This tv show was carefully put together based of the sengoku period in Japan. Seeing each detail that was describe in journals and books excited me however feelings do change.
This show is so off the series and book that it is hard to follow what the writers are trying to covey. They have already hinted Lady Mariko being a trained warrior (not even close to the book or 80's series). So I would guess there is an epic battle that Lady Mariko fights to the end. The problem I have is Blackthorne's character representation. He should be the lead character and he is being pushed to the side.
Did Toranaga character play in the Last Samarai
yes
❤❤
It’d be funny and surprising if Toranaga actually speaks Portuguese
Lady Ochiba thinks Ishido is weak, so this would never happen. She also enjoys her power over the council.
Yeah exactly! She holds all the power
Episodes Moves fast then too slow i understand filler but this is too much💯
Mariko can’t die , if so I am done with the show. I want to see her happy. I don’t care about what happened in real life 😂
Yes, lady ochiba love toranaga but toranaga didnt fit with daimyo. And maybe toranaga have hated lady ochiba father long beforr
Hmmm not sure about this. She's hard to predict what her motive is but she's cunning and is pulling the strings.
I doubt we'll see the battle, most of the battle of Sekigahara battle took place during heavy fog so there won't be much to see.
I feel like in the show they'll put a focus on it though!
I remember the Toranaga guy in Twilight Samurai. Amazing film.
John wick too
I don't understand why people keep speculate what will happen next. This is a REMAKE of a TV series that made from novel, it follow the same story.
Which tv series?
@@Problemonalisa Shogun, from 1980. This whole thing is based on a book from 1975 and is lightly lifted from True Events around 1600.
I've watched the 1980's show more than once and this series has added layers. Where in the 1980's film did Toranaga's brother show up?
@@cameronjones8641 he did. His name was Zataki or something like this.
- Episode #1.5 (1980) ... Zataki
- Episode #1.4 (1980) ... Zataki
- Episode #1.3 (1980) ... Zataki
- Episode #1.2 (1980) ... Zataki
- Episode #1.1 (1980) ... Zataki
Blackthorne is crucial to Torrenaga and will be the one who brings down the regents
Remember the book? Shirley you can't be serious
crimson sky is where Fuji goes to Osaka castle and kills everyone and become shogun, they gave us a big hint showing Fuji getting ready to fight, and yes, if you dont remember, in ep1 Toranaga refused to let Fuji die, thats crimson sky.
Soo let me get this straight. In the novel Lady Ochiba loves Toranaga. But in the latest series she said herself she despises him because “even though it was Marikos dad who killed her dad. It was Toranaga who was in his ear conspiring and pulling strings’.
So why would you think in the series she’s gonna turn down Ishidos proposal because of her love for Toranaga? She’s clearly stated how she hates him. That’s why she’s siding with Ishido
Do you think in the midst of possibly the most devious period and place in history, she could be lying? She could also love Toranaga and blame him for her fathers death. She doesn't seem interested in Ishido one bit but you could be right. I watched the original show as a child with my Dad, and multiple times after and I have to say they have done a wonderful job of keeping us guessing with some parts.
am I the only book-reader who remembers the Heir's conception?
Toranagas son was way too forward chasing the glory that dont exist, he lacked the brains for the position he held.
He was a samurai in training and a bit of a hot head but great warriors usually are. Him attacking the envoy and killing them with cannon fire accelerated the war path we all knew was unavoidable. But Toranaga was stalling for time and really didn't want to start a war trying to find a diplomatic solution. I really thought they were building up the boy into a great samurai warrior and possibly the next leader to be Shogun and then this? But just brilliant writing when it's so unpredictable.
Yeah I was gutted when Nagakado met his end!
I loved the show up until Nagakados stupid death. I don't think I have ever seen a more stupid death of a character and that made me to not anticipate the next episodes that much
Yeah, in the end he literally lacked brains
@@giannisv.4472it was intentional. The central theme of the entire episode is “fate”. You will notice the word is repeated numerous times throughout the episode. Nagakado believed that if he died in battle it would be a beautiful death, he believed that to be his fate. Little did he know his true fate would be a slippery rock, not armed men on the battlefield, to cause his ultimate demise. In the words of Gin, fate is like a sword, useful only to those who can wield it. Nagakado despite being the son of a great warlord, never had the temperament and wit to dictate his own fate.
Yeah unfortunately Anjin and Mariko are most likely not going to have a happy ending together, the real life events and the 70s tv show ruined this event really, could have been like the red wedding event in game of thrones, that kind of shock otherwise.
Yes they will have a happy ending as they've taken creative liberties to change the script. They're not following the book strictly and all for the better.
@@jonfreeman9682 Unfortunately I read the synopsis of the show on the FX website and they called it a 'doomed romance'. I wish so bad for them to have a happy ending, but doesn't seem like they will do it.
@@jeaniebeanie6 Oh that's great. Way to go giving spoilers right in the show description. 😆
@@jonfreeman9682 Right?! Lol. I read that after the second episode, and while at the time I didn't care much...now after I've become completely and utterly invested in the romance, I'm just pissed. They've since changed it or deleted it because I just searched for it again and didn't find it. Guess they noticed how much people love the romance and didn't want to ruin it for them. 😆
How Toranaga going to beat his brother as he has a bigger army
It will happen in Osaka.
I think thru diplomacy. At this point his brother is too evil and beyond the point of no return so it would be fitting if Toranaga kills his brother and commands his army.
I think they are working together.
Fuji-san is far more likeable than Mariko. I can only thank the Japanese experts for correcting the female writing crew that was going all girl-power and throwing historical accuracy to the wind once again. But their writing has led to Mariko being off & on all the time, when in the old tv series and the books, she is far more friendly and loving to the Anjin-san.
(Spoilers possibly) ......I'm gutted they've cut out the sailor's dance, the Anjin almost committing seppuku in front of Yabu and the greater love story between Mariko and the Anjin. It's good television, but just sad when people think they can tell the story better than the original author and make changes. Still, my thanks to the Japanese crew and advisors for steering the feminists back on course.
The female characters are really well written in the context of Japan back in those days. Not sure about girl boss but Fuji and Mariko are both well written and acted and we may get the one true girl boss who is the true puppet master. This show is a political chess game with so many moving pieces that you can bet Toranaga has planned something and John Blackthorne isn't going to just stand on the sidelines. And don't worry that sailor dance is coming.
@@jonfreeman9682 I would love to think they will include the sailor's dance that should have already happened, though I can understand the change, but not the exclusion of it entirely, so I dearly hope you're correct that it will come : ). But with respect, you may have missed the point of what I wrote, which is that I find Fuji-san more likeable as a character and Mariko to be 'off & on' with her behaviour around Blackthorne. If we had already had the Anjin-san Seppuku scene, there would be a far greater respect and rapport between Mariko and the Anjin. I referenced something I had learnt, which was that the female writing team had actually written the female characters once again for modern audiences and that Japanese advisors steered them back onto an historically accurate course. I appreciate you may disagree with my assessment or reaction, but hopefully you understand my opinion comes from a place of cherishing both the novel and the classic television series. Like I said, this is good television and some of the changes make sense to me, but Mariko feels off in the way she is portrayed against what her character is in the book. Thanks for your comment though and all the best.
For me, I actually like the toned down romance between Mariko and Blackthorne. I prefer more of the emphasis on Toranaga...that being said, will the toned down romance make it less of an impact when Mariko dies? Probably.
@@farmgirlrebel1333 I understand that perspective, toning down some of the romance, except that it was such a prominent part of the book and this is James Clavell's The Shogun, not one more Samurai flick during the Sengoku Jidai. I think truly, it was a love story more than a war novel and so focusing on Tokugawa/Toranaga while toning down the romance has resulted in something which feels like just one more well-made show about Ieyasu of which there are plenty. Without Blackthorne's attempted seppuku scene, there isn't this deeper level of respect by Mariko for the Anjin and what he almost did and what he would be feeling afterwards. With the amount of times Mariko creates distance between them and puts Blackthorne down, it's hard to see a believable love between the two or at least one that makes sense. I agree with your last point, with only a few episodes left, the death of Mariko might not hit the same way as in the novel. Visually the show is stunning, but I feel the dialogue has been a real let-down throughout. Thanks for your response though and all the best to you.
@@Imhotep-Still-Juicy That is a really interesting take on the novel, being almost more of a romance set in the period. I honestly never thought of it that way. Very interesting and really a testament of Clavell's ability to cast a wide net. I personally thought the Mariko/Anjin parts of the novel weren't as well written as the rest of the novel with all the Latin language "I loooove thee" and so forth. I'll be honest though, when I first read the book back in 1980, I recall that I truly enjoyed the romance part...perhaps I have just gotten more older and cynical? probably , lol
I really hope this isn't one of those shows that has multiple years in between seasons.
This is the only season lol
The brothers army in Osaka. Trojan Horse. Just my opinion.
Naga doesn't die in canon...maybe Mariko doesn't die then 🤔
I feel she will, it's such an important part to the story
@@BrainPilot 😭 you make more common sense.
Thou shall not Simp ....Ishido skipped that part 🤣🤣🤣
السماء القرمزية لازالت موجودة ولكن بدل الحرب بجيش قد لا ينتصر اختار ان يذهب بجيشه كل من بالطاقم لم يعد لديهم شئ ليخسروه فاما النصر او الموت لم ينهزم صدقوني بل تعامل بذكاء و حنكه عالية
If she loves Toranaga, why does she want him dead??
Never heard of a womans scorn? If he rejected her then that's enough.
I think this is the end of mariko
It's going to be so sad!
Mariko desperately wants to die
oh yeah, she is dying. Like in the books.
Yeah but she is in a horrible situation. She has to avenge her father, obey her lord, stay with his wife beater husband and let the love of her life go.
There are many different opinions. I think it's because everyone is interested in this drama. I don't think past Hollywood productions have conveyed Japanese culture and history. This work will be a turning point in conveying the correct culture. This makes me the happiest.
from japan❤
I DON'T CARE MARIKO DIES!
AS LONG IT'S NOT FUJI-SAMA, IT'S OKAY!
PROTECT FUJI-SAMA AT ALL COST!
HEI HEI HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
They are just messing with Toda Marijo's character too much.
Do you think? In what way? I quite like how she's been portrayed
She dies and Blackthorne is in danger, anybody could kill him. They could insult him and he doesn't understand a word.
😂😂😂😂😂
Many fans don't like talkie episodes.
So mariko dies in ep9 then
I'm honestly quite disappointed and I'm not looking forward to the next episode
What! Why?
@@BrainPilot because too mouch has changed
Some friends Im forced to have due to marriage called this show woke feminism..🙄
This mini series sucks anything modern thinkers make the stuff so stupid. Get the orginal it's hell of lot better
why are you so butthurt over it?
Don't watch it then.
this is the best tv of 2024. gtfo.
@@amai0225 Do I need to delete my comments to make you feel better because I can do that. I was just expressing different opinion on the show. Sorry about that.
what would you say is better currently?