MSI Z790I Edge Motherboard deemed a No Fix
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A slipped screwdriver damaged the capacitor. obviously the kid who tried to upgrade thought he was tightening a diesel engine cylinder head.
Lmao
What is só hard to change the socket? I mean...you have the tools, you have the skills...why is not a viable solution...you prefer to charge a atempt repair instead of actually repair it...
Tighten it until it cracks, and then back off a tad 🤣
@@alinioanmoroi1370 It's not only because it's hard, the deciding factor is that the repair will end up costing more than actually buying a new board.
Diesel engine head bolt 🤣
The customer sending it over with no cpu socket cover is just risking damage during transit.
That's why they have socket caps. Shipping a board without it is just asking for trouble.
@@farminglol that's why is alrways a good idea to keep them
@@Danidasanic That's why its not a good idea to watch that "Verge" video, where the guy just tosses it away like scrap.
The more I watch this channel, the better idea I get and understanding of what is practical to fix and what is not if you take time, trouble, and cost into account.
You mean fixing the mobo or upgrading the cpu? 🤔
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If you like to do it yourself, everything can be worth fixing.
idk how people manage to damage pins like that. Look at all the fibers and hairs also in the pins. Never touch them, and you should never have a problem with them.
@@MrRick76 well, for over 35 years (for PC, started building in 1989), I never needed gloves and never got a single problem to date.
I was thinking the same thing. Plus they sent the board without a CPU in it and there was no mention of the socket cover.
I have purchased NEW in box boards with bent pins.
Usually they get thermal paste in the socket and try to clean it with a Q-tip.
@@MrRick76and why do you need gloves pls ? Do the gloves help not bending the pins ? I don’t see the connection here.
Nice catch with that capacitor. Perhaps the board will work.
Thanks for the video and have a peaceful weekend.
This is definitely a one look "Nope". Bending pins is a waste of time. Good call.
I fix bent pins all the time but sometimes the owner of the motherboard was so stupid to not stop after the first failed attempt to insert a CPU into the socket then probably tried to start the "PC" after the pins were making a short or maybe several shorts. I swear to you when my daughter was 10 years old she managed to flawlessly change CPU's more than one time, all by herself. She didn't care if they are gen2 or gen10. She did the exact same thing with all of them regardless of their value.
Show more motherboard repairs pls.
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Despite me knowing nothing about micro soldering 🤣
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I don't think they deemed it no fix, i think they clearly understood that the owner cause the damage on the own so they denied warranty.
First thing I check when I get a MB is if it has these types of pins and if it does I just reject the board. It is not even worth the trouble trying!
Very good job 👏 👍 👌
Love your videos keep it up you're number 1# better then factory.
LGA pins are a pain to sort out ,great work and video
Sorry but LGA socket is a necessary evil. This thing is actually more costly than a PGA socket to produce. Although fragile, it provides better electronic characteristics for high frequency signal lines, which DDR5, pcie gen5 and other data buses need.
Just hope those manufactures all adapt the non-ILM designs used by Intel Xeon CPUs. Since your hands don't need to get close to the socket when installing and uninstalling, it's harder to damage the pins.
amd uses a quite nice mechanism socket on their threadripper cpu too but those cpus are hella huge and need that kind of socket
@@dragos2010full1 Threadripper are probably much lighter too without pins on the cpu xD
Thanks for sharing
That type of socket pin looks like a bad design. Still enjoyable to see you work. Blessings to you and your family.
It will work! 💪💪
I had it long time ago, an ROG board, with a LGA 775 socket. There was cool paste in the socket, so I tried to clean it with Isopropanol and a soft toothbrush, but the motherboard was stuck. I learned it the hard way. Not to fool around with those pins. Costly error.
Good video, only thing I would maybe try is to power on the board with a PSU and short the pins just to see if it atleast can turn on (even though we wouldn't know if the CPU socket is okay)
You are right about those sockets - they're the worst! I changed a CPU in my wife's board and decided to brush off the dust using a very soft brush (designed for applying make-up powder). When the board would not boot I began to examine the socket and saw some bent pins. Put it under my microscope and tried to fix them, but it was hopeless! Some pins broke as you saw also. Terrible socket, not repairable! I saved the board and one day I intend to try to do a socket replacement, just for fun!
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keep up ur work
You should require the custom to send LGA type boards with the socket cap that came with the board.
nah not only that they should send the ram and the cpu with it.
I also hate lga. I will always take a glued down pga cpu over ever needing worry about a damaged socket. I do wonder if anyone makes a crimping tool for straightening these pins though.
Better than Factory special video 😊
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That became a parts board real quick!
Good job Alex more video's please
Tons of hair in that socket jeez
there are some machines that will heat the socket in order to remove it but it must be preised and it's expensive
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I watch bc if u ever do decide to fix a motherboard i can learn these skills to diy.
How are these pins even bent? If this was a new board should of covered under warranty if it came that way.
the customer bent the pins when he did a cpu upgrade, as he stated in the ticket.
User carelessness, it does a whole lot worse than this this is a light case!
I came across a similar issue w different motherboards they previously worked no issues at all for months then i shut them down put them into antistatic bags (Ghost S1 Builds) tske them outa storage for some testing would power on for 0.5 seconds but after that power buttons did nothing removed them from the cases put onto a test bench (streamcom itx) worked firdt try like it picked up where it ledt off when i shut them down.
The cases had shorts in the internal psu extension 🤔
As for the board in this repair user could have added a new LGA 1700 Socket if that was the only issue.
I really don't get how people bend sockt pins like this. If you can't build a PC without the required care to avoid this, you should leave it well alone. I've built many in the past and have never damaged anything like this.
lol yeah bro. Maybe he thought it snaps in or something while trying to insert it the incorrect way to begin with and it slipped and bent the pins.
I own one of these. This is one of the boards that doesn't generate HWEAs errors in Windows for PCI express. It sits in a custom loop itx NR200P case (custom 3D printed rooftop for extra 2x 140mm Fans and a radiator) with a 13600K and 32gigs of 6200Mhz Team Group RAM sticks.
Can anyone explain to me how people bend their pins in a board like this? I just don't understand.
The cracking sound when I press the lever to lock the CPU socket made me nervous...nope, check the manual again 😅 Took me almost two hours to get the board to boot up
have you ever worked on the old 386 or 486 sx or dxs i think the only difference wasmemory.i remember i bought a 386 sx from best buy for 3500 way back in the day.i tryed to make it a dx but it never worked but i tryed
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yes they made the socket that way to keep cpu installs to the pro's
not for average joes
The customer most likely bent some pins thats why they did not RMA a board so new or something like that.
This is how you take care of business, well done!
i really don't understand how people can bend pins on their cpu socket so often. I understand if you do a lot of them, i mean mistakes happen, but if it's your personal computer that you only do one of every so many years.... I quadruple check everything and treat it like a baby.
Nice bend front panel pin at 07:43, jeez this customer realy tortured this board....
Not only are those sockets here to stay but AMD is going to the same thing. Cheaper for the CPU makers.
Its not cheaper, it cost more. The reason for doing that is, there is a limit on how many pins you can put in a PGA. LGA is without that limitation (eg LGA 3647)
@@Elektronikreparatur_Annaberg-B what about a lga with ball pins, so the cpu has no pins, the socket with small balls that are pressed on. maybe that is why the moved to bga soldered cpus.
@@orange11squares The problem with balls is the low surface area. The pins in the LGA socket design are build to supply the most surface area while distributing evenly amongst all. Compare that to the touchpoint of a ball it's night and day and it's needed for the amperage.
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your gonna fix all those pins then the customer is gonna bend the crap out of em again trying to put the cpu in that he did not include lol
i would always require a "note" what-to-do if sent only partial products. If they have no clue what the issue is & what to fix then always sent everything in CPU, RAM in this case, or 3rd case: ask before if they have stuff to test, like spare cpu,ram,gpu,psu sounds like common sense but then u have costumers that are "special"
Better than factory !
With all those fibers in the socket it looks like it was set down on something which bent the pins.
I think they made that socket with motherboard replacement in mind. I the pins damage easily, end user can only buy a new one....stupid, but corporates do that....just like politicians....thieves
customer should comment here and say "it works" :)
Still amazes me people bend the pins.
not that hard... a screw falling there and it's over.
AMD male pins also, when the thermal paste really sticks on the heatsink of the cooler and boom half a dozen pins lost when they try to re-apply thermal paste without heating it because they don't know about it.
Don't write things like that,it can happen to anyone,especially if you do that a lot.
it's not hard to bend them, if you don't know how to change the cpu properly.
if i were this customer i would ask u how much for successful repair bc i tested it and it works. so how much do I owe 😊
Dont you have current or last gen CPU's for testing? Could be a nice idea to have some.
That would likely be risking the CPU with the socket that badly mangled.
@@kaseyboles30 Its very hard to kill a CPU if you have already bent the pins back. It may work even with couple of missing pins. Just need to have some cheap garbage Celeron to test with.
Yeah I don't understand why they can't figure out a different connector type for cpu's other than lga. Or is it that they don't want to fix it?
you got it, they don't what to make something better b/c it will last more time.
One tap!
Customer got lucky sending that crap in. I would have charged the price of the MB just to try and fix that crap. Fixing it + bench fee = price of the motherboard. For his good lets hope it works.
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Just 1 pin out most likely make a black screen & guessing that the screw driver slipped & knocked the cap while doing screw to attach to pc case, Bad design of pins MSI went with for the CPU socket, My ASUS b760 ITX motherboard have proper pins & not all that extra thin metal to each pin.
and changing out a cpu socket can be done worth it prob not but it's not for the average joe at all bga balls could be a big pain in the rear end so for pro's only on that note
Customer may have an old board he’s using while you’re fixing his board. Would be a good reason to keep ram and cpu
Install a CPU by carefully placing it in sideways and swirling it around a few times.
Why send without CPU and RAM? That is just crazy.
maybe the kid who sent it bought a new mobo and used the parts
Honestly this is the kind of job I would straight up refuse.
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My PC has been turned off for nearly 6 month duo to that i wasn't using it anymore and now i can't get a signal for no reason, however i've managed to get a signal but the SSD is not working for no reason i haven't even used that PC much, it's an MSI A350 Ryzen 3 3600 not a top of the line PC but it did get broke for now :(
Can I contact the owner to tell me how to bend those pins ? I am just curious how to do this. Realy how do you do something like this ? Please elaborate.
Anyone see all the fibres on that socket?
Why is not practical to replace a mb socket? I got one replaced...
Its not only the edge all screw holes on motherboards are in danger to have a screwdriver mishap damaging components
Well they buggered up that socket. How people don't realize how fragile the pins in LGA sockets are I don't know.
I seen Linus unbend a couple pins with no microscope
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I've easily built probably 200+ PC's in my life. I've not once damaged a socket or CPU or GPU. These things are expensive and need to be handled carefully. If you don't know what you're doing, have someone else do it instead of destroying your gear.
wow that connector for the cpu gives me anxiety
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There seems to be a lot of "hairy" junk in that socket. Would take a lot of effort to remove it all.
No fix is the best solution.
wow i thought im the only person in the world that own this motherboard
the problem with the socket is ham fisted people trying to work on delicate items. Imagine the same kind of people working on a Rolex watch, what could possibly go wrong?
Why didn’t the customer include the CPU for you to test?
A bonus would then be that the customer wouldn’t need to attempt installing the CPU again, this all seems stupid.
Hope the customer gives feedback if the repair attempt worked or not, of course we root for him ,
although the upgrade was botched. Most probably he will learn and not do these mistakes again.
Part of me thinks not including the cpu or ram was an attempt to not have you able to test it, so not charging for a fix, means you can't tell if it got fixed, and the actual removal of that shorted cap and a few pin fixes actually did fix it after all.
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This is the reason I liked AMD pins on the CPU, not on the motherboard. It's a way less risky way of putting a CPU in, and chances of bending pins was way less. Just lightly place it in the socket. I've changed CPU's 4 times with AMD, and never had an issue. Changed one CPU on a MB like this, and bent 12 pins. It's a horrible design, but now even AMD is going to it. It's a shame.
i had this experience exactly the other way around. AMD cpu pins are way easier to bend than intel, easier to bend them back compared to the mobo pins. also u can find way more people having bend pins from AMD than intel, and intel had the superior marketshare / userbase than AMD - Intel LGA way was foolproof unless u dropped the CPU from your hand into the mobo 2 feet above. so i never liked AMD for their aproach, but they moved to LGA now too and works without any problems so far for me. if done properly its impossible to bend them, u must be a gorilla otherwise, smashing ur fist into the board.
Apparently the reasoning behind it is because motherboards are cheaper to replace than a cpu, but that's not always the case now, alot of motherboards, entry level included are quite expensive!
There’s no risk of bent pins at all when people know what they’re doing and use care and caution when installing the new CPU but if they aren’t careful or if they don’t know what they’re doing then that is what creates the risk
@@user-uu9up5fe5t I've installed something close to 3-400 AMD CPUs over their BGA years, and have had NO issues. That's all there is to say.
i feel a little left out. dozens upon dozens of cpus dating back to 8088s. i have yet to have bent pin issues on anything that didn't come that way from the second hand source (some 486 chips aren't handled the best by some people), and i've never run into LGA pin issues.
even the couple of dead 775 boards i use for parts don't have messed up pins. heck i've got one 775 board i've put like, 20 cpus into to test them. still going strong. rechipped my dell 771 based server at least twice, dual cpus in that thing.
whats a guy gotta do to get some LGA pin repair experience short of intentionally damaging a good socket.
This is one repair that isn't better than factory 😢
that board looks terrible
i did replaced my computer parts and it looks so clean and new
can't believe what i see here
Socket is full of hair. 🤣WTF, how did he "triet to upgrade the CPU" accidently smacked his balls on socket and therefore left some hair in socket, bent pins as a result?
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Why am I not surprised when I see MSI stick on a product
Surpriseed how? You are clueless, same sockets on all these LGA boards.
These mb are like cars.....let me explain
First they had the clutch disc with springs for shocks ......but ....
CEO ... let's make it more complicated and 7x expensive....make a simple clutch disc and let's make a dual mass flywheel .....
When they design a mb like this they knew what they are doing
Kids are treating motherboards are cars!
Alex, tell the customer to “ pound sand “
He'd bend the sand.
Where TV repairs?
300$ for microatx mb, things getting out of hands...
it overclocks better than 90% of the ATX z790's
I wonder why Stu..d people without knowledge messing with expensive stuff? If you need to practice, take old PC parts and practice, and if you don't know how to chage a CPU go to PC service pay for upgrade and be happy. Now you have to pay twice for your incompetence .