CITATION - Full Documentary
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- Citation (April 11, 1945--August 8, 1970) was the eighth American Triple Crown winner, and one of three major North American Thoroughbreds (along with Cigar and Zenyatta) to win at least 16 consecutive races in major stakes race competition. He was the first horse in history to win one million dollars.
Owned and bred by Calumet Farm in Lexington, Kentucky, Citation was a bay colt by Bull Lea from the imported mare Hydroplane (GB), who was by the leading sire Hyperion.
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They once asked Arcaro who was the better horse, Whirlaway or Citation. Arcaro replied and said that even though Whirlaway was a great horse that when he tapped the whip to Citation it was like stepping down on the accelerator of a "souped up" Cadillac.
I’ve never even been a big horse racing fan but I absolutely love these documentaries about the great horses and their jockeys. That must be an incredibly dangerous profession.
dangerous for the jockey's and the young horses.
IT IS, AND MOST OF US JUST DON'T REALIZE IT. I CONFESS THAT I DIDN'T, UNTIL RECENTLY
"To be a jockey is to be an athlete"
Virgilio Decan "Aly Khan"
Venezuelan horse racing caller
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Best regards from Venezuela
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It is.
It is.
I got to see him live at Calumet when my parents took my sister and me to Kentucky Horse country in 1969.
I saw an interview with Eddie Arcaro where he said he never let Citation run all out.
One thing I've said about Citation is that even when he was going "all out", he never looked like he was going all out - just taking it easy. In fact, I'm not sure we ever saw him go all out. Like the one guy said, he just did what he needed to do to win, and no faster.
I almost tear up when I hear the love, admiration, and the ability of the owner's to articulate a horse's human emotions. It's very moving. RIP Citation.
Horses...like many other animals (especially mammals) have emotions very similar to humans, and those of us who know this can interact with them on that wavelength.
They are not articulating anybodys emotions. They are making it up on the horses behalf. That horse couldnt give a rats ass. Omg its nauseating
mucki supak there’s way more to it then that. Look into a horse’s eye & you see a lot. Look at their eyes, tail, ears; their non-verbal communication says everything
My first horse was a beautiful dark bay tb mare named Flower's Bubble. Funny name but she was a great granddaughter of Citation and I swear she looked just like him. I just rode her around the farm and on trails but I felt honored to have had one of his descendants.
And...??
Awesome Magicpainthorse, and Big respect for "Big Cy"
That must have been grand! I think it would have almost felt like being with royalty. I envy you. And I like the name…..It’s “memorable”.
Citation post-war had a similar impact on the U.S. as Seabiscuit during the Depression. Train cars, press corps, excessive race schedule. Both horses were absolutely beloved of the public.
Never like kelso though. You gotta be kidding. Kelso was and, is the greatest racehorse of all-times. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN
@@teddylopez747
I just looked up Kelso for the first time, ranked 4th,
Record: 63: 39-12-2, what an amazing champion...
To me, the standout statement made in this entire documentary came in the final minute at about the 39:45 mark James E. "Sunny Jim" Fitzsimmons over the course of a brilliant career trained three Kentucky Derby winners, four Preakness Stakes winners, and six Belmont Stakes winners. Included in those accolades were two Triple Crown champions, Gallant Fox in 1930 and his son Omaha in 1935. His record of 13 classic wins as a trainer stood for many, many years until finally being broken by D. Wayne Lukas in 2013. This was a man who knew his way around a thoroughbred and knew what it took to turn one into a champion. In my humble opinion, that makes Fitzsimmons's response to what he thought of Citation being "Citation was the best horse I ever saw, and I saw Man O'War" the most poignant statement of the entire 40:47 spent discussing Citation's career.
I was an infant when Citation ran. But the Triple Crown is as special as the horses that win it. Somebody will win the World Series, somebody will win the Super Bowl. But it takes a special horse to win this honor.
Great documentary.. Citation was a Great horse.... But I still think Secretariat was.... THE BEST!!!!! May them both R.I.P.!!!!
This documentary is on the great Citation, not Man O War, the greatest, or Secretariat.
@@kimkearney5419 Go look up the great kelso. Kelso set 2 records on 2 sloppy tracks, neither man of war, citation or, secretariat set 1 record on a sloppy track. Some horses can't even run on a sloppy track. Gee, you must not know much on the great kelso. My God he only weighed 900 pounds and, was carrying 12pct of his weight at times more than forego who weighed about 1,300 and, was 17.2 hands, kelso was an even 16. hands when he was 4. Kelso's in a class by himself. Forget about it it's not even close. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.
Best ever was Man O War followed by Citation.
There will always be debates about who is best...Citation, Man O War, Secretariat or, as some would claim, Phar Lap. All beautiful, all winners. God's lovely creatures.
Citation was a great horse and IMO the second best horse ever after Secretariat which was the greatest. Man O War also a great horse, I would put as the 3rd best.
One of the greatest horse of all time ❤️ Rip Citation 🙏🏻
I saw that last race. I was 5 years old. My father filmed it so my memories of it never faded. It was a magnificent race and cemented my life-long love of horses. Thank You, Citation.
I knew or heard of Citation. And liked him. 👍 I'm so happy to hear this story of him. He was one of my favorites ❤
WOW! I'm so glad I watched this. I have a whole new respect for Citation. What a horse!
Be advised: There are quite a few narrative mistakes in the film, esp. when Cy raced at 5 and 6. Like his losses to Noor in CA. Noor was new to this county from Ireland. Untested. When he raced against Cy, the officials did not know how much weight to put on him. First time, 114 lbs to Cy's126 and he beat Cy by only a half length. As he beat Cy, more weight was placed on him and once he actually had two pounds more than Cy. Noor set new track, American, and even world records. Cy's loses were by a nose, head. So Cy also broke those records.
kwgrid, Still not a Secretariat.
@@auletjohnast03638 Kelso was better than both of them and, than man of war too, who was kelsos' great grandfather. Nobody did more things than the great kelso. Those 5 years that only he was horse of the year he was beating the 3 year old champions of each of theose years and, it gets even crazier at 4 he had to start giving away weight to them and, still whupp them! Kelso is the greatest racehorse ever and, it's not even close. No one did more and, he et 2 records on sloppy tracks with standing water on them. How many horses set a record ona a sloppy track, most can't even run on a sloppy track like riva ridge. Kelso was something else. You gotta be kidding. You obviously don't know much about the 900 pound horsey that looked like a freaken deer and, was still carrying all that weight. He still holds the 3 fastest timings for the 2 miles! Guess who holds the 4th fastest ever for 2 miles, prove out the same horsey that kicked secretariats fat ass at the woodward. Go figure. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.
Teddy Lopez, You don't know your ass from a hole on the ground.
@@auletjohnast03638
Citation is still among the greats of all time...
All of the Triple Crown Horses are God gifted with the talented that lift the souls of man. As Winston Churchill said: Looking at a horse is good for the inside of man.
Miss ESPN Classic, good channel. Especially the SportsCentury episodes with Chris Fowler. The best specials, even the music adds to the story.
Yep...one of the greatest horses of all time. The peoples hero horse. A true legend. Wow...just wow.
God I'm so glad he won his last race...what a legend of a racehorse.
I don't believe any other horse in history could have done what Secretariat did in 1973, but Citation running 45 races and finishing in the top 2 in 42 of them and in the top 3 in 44 of the 45 is some supernatural shit. No horse but Citation could have done that.
great info...
BACK THEN THEY WERE BRED FOR STAMINANOT SPEED
Citation was a tough son of a mare. He had to be galloped in an overcheck bit. This bit is known these days as a "Citation Bit". I own one and have brought it to a few barns I rode for, to gallop a tough horse.
@@chuckschafer942um. No. Horses were trained different then. We have ALWAYS bred for speed. That's the whole point of having a racehorse, having a fast one. As races have shortened, the trainers train for short, fast races. In the past, horses ran often. How many times did Seabiscuit run at 2? Like, every week! They were either tough, or they were down the road to the knackers.
According to The Bloodhorse Magazine "Top U.S Racehorses of the 20th. Century List", Citation is ranked # 3. 32 firsts, 10 seconds ,2 thirds in 45 starts and U.S $ 1.085.760 earned. Citation was U.S . Champion 2 year-old in 1947, U.S Champion 3 year-old in 1948, U.S Horse of the Year in 1948, U.S. Champion Older Male Horse in 1951 and was inducted to The National Museum of Racing and Hall of Fame in 1959. What an extraordinary horse! Regards from a venezuelan citizen who emigrated to Chile searching a better way of life.
Caroni100, But, Secretariat is always #1.
Thanks for your comments. :)😀 Hope you find that good life!
I live in Florida & went to Hialeah Park recently, the statue is still there of Citation. I sat there for a long time just looking around imagining back in the golden age when the place use to be packed on a Saturday afternoon some decades ago for annual winter boutique meet
Hialeah has a lot of Nostalgia to the place with the Flamingos 🦩 Racing was great then beautiful Track they should return no matter what it takes the Brunettis owns the Track . Wonderful memories .Many of the people I associated with back then have passed on .
I went there as a child & loved every moment of it.
I went back today 11/7/2021 & walked the track after being down in Gulfstream for the Breeders Cup. My fiancé & I walked part of the main track then went in & walked practically the entire turf course.
Took some beautiful pictures. The flamingos are still there & it looks like they feed them. The track after all these years still has its grandeur. When we hit the stretch the security guard flew up & yelled at us to get off. Being on that track was priceless & was worth walking it.
Forty-five starts in his career as a race horse; that’s what I like about the champions of the early part of the twentieth century!
I have a new appreciation for Citation after seeing this documentary‼️🏆🥇❤️
Thanks for the history. 😊
Wonderful documentary. Citation is a legend!
CITATION WAS A PHENOM, MACHINE, THE FIRST IRON HORSE- UNSINKABLE!!!
(To EARN OVER a MILLION POUNDS in the '50s Is just Notts- UNBELIEVABLE)
My father used to say. yuh.... Man O'War !! when we'd talk history, and Citation. Look at him starting at 2:21, that amazing, beautiful bow, arching his neck. Bill Nack, writes like a poet about Secretariat, and does the same here, as he lists Citations string of victories... "that horse must have been built out of titanium."
I was 2 1/2 when he was born, 5 + 8 mos when he won the Triple Crown. My dad probably listened on the radio, no TV back, then, for us not until spring of 1954.
No, Bill Nack, Citation was of flesh and bone, just like Sec and all horses. He had incredible stamina and endurance plus that incredible "will to win", did not like being beaten.
bon1042, Secretariat is #1, #2, & #3 best horse of all time. Man O War is #4. And then there's no one else.
@@brucerobbins3584 No horse had more stamina then the great kelso , go look at how he won the 2 miles jockey gold cup 5 years in a row and, broke the record 2 times on 2 sloppy tracks with standing water on them and, holds the 3 fastest timings for them. Oh and, the longer you carry that weight the more it starts to weigh. Your boy citation did 3:21 3/5 for the 2 miles on a fast track at 3 years old before he got hurt, kelso did 3:19 2/5 on a sloppy track with standing water on it when he was 3! What would have king of them all done on a fast track, go figure, maybe 3:18 or, better. Yah maybe Eddie Arcaro was right when he said that kelso would have beaten the shit out of citation. Kelso holds the 3 fastest timings for that, I repeat, and, prove out who whupped secretariats' big ass holds the 4th fastest timing for that. Scary isn't it. Kelso was something else. Go look up kelso. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.
Great documentary!
Aug 05.2020
Whirlaway was sired by imported stallion Blenheim II, not Bull Lea or Hyperion. Hyperion was the sire Citations's dam.
25:58 Talk about hyperbolic. He didn't fall to his knees, he took a bad step, and the jock barely even moved from the saddle. I hate when they over exaggerate.
+Real Pacificus That's true. Jones is the worst. He makes it sound like after Cy fell, all the horses were way down the track. Videos don't lie. It was s stumble. That Eddie and Cy quickly recovered from. It had little effect on the outcome of the race!!!
Nom de Plume did the lady even see the race? All I saw was the tiniest stumble and he never even lost the lead
Go look up kelso and, look up what Eddie Arcaro said about the great kelso. Oh, kelso only weighed 900 pounds and, looked like a deer. Kelso was and, is the greatest racehorse of all-times. He set records at 3 and, was still breaking records at 7. How many horses set a record on a sloppy track? Kelso pull that stunt 2 times. That's just scratching the surface of the great kelso.KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.
@@teddylopez747 why do you feel the need to go on other horse's videos to tout Kelso? Do a Kelso video.
@@stevek8829 yeah i was gonna say the same thing. i saw this shitty guy comment on secretatiat and seattle slew's video. what a nitwit! Bohemia's kelso was great but this guy is really annoying.
9:30 “I think he's gonna do okay."
*wins the Triple Crown*
9:32*
When Arcaro went to Ben Jones before the 48 Ferby he told him that he thought get was on the wrong horse and thought that Coaltown might be the better horse. Jones famously reassured him by saying that "there hasn't been a horse born yet and there never will be that Citation can't run down.
I swear horse racing is the saddest stuff ever. The highs are high but the lows are lower. Always ends sad idk how to explain it.
Thanks for posting this. It was wonderful.
Love watching the story of another great horse that isn't Secretariat.
come on lol Secretariat was the greatest, He'll always shine above all others, face it!
I have the issue of Turf magazine with Citation on the cover! Awesome horse!
Awesome doco! A freakish champion.
Heywood Hale Broun seems to be the only one who knows that Calumet made baking POWDER, not baking SODA. Big difference!!!
Ihhhhhhh
Good observation!
AND they said Whirlaway was sired by Bull Lea. Not true. He was sired by Blenheim II.
@@jfmac There were many factual errors in this doc. The view of the said Belmont, is really the Jockey Club Gold Cup.(if I remember correctly). Yes, Blenheim was Whirly's sire. Blenhim, an Irish horse (born and trained in Ireland) can be found in MANY excellent horses.
Horses are amazing. Saved my life these beautiful animals. And BULL LEE you were stunning ❤
I remember his retirement at 5 years old on the nightly news
He was a big deal .
Note a few mistakes:
1. Bull Lea was not Whirlaway's sire. It was Hyperion.
2. The ending of the Belmont Stakes is really showing the ending of the Jockey Club Gold Cup in 10/1948, beating Phalanx by 10 lengths, run at 2 mile "under double wraps".
3 Some of the pictures from the Preakness are from another race. There were only 4 horses, and they stayed in the same positions the entire race.
If Snider had not perished, Cy would have been 20 for 20. Unheard of.
All the same
Blenheim II, not Hyperion
Another great equine. There is no shortage!!!
A terrific documentary.
Magnificent horse
my older sister was born in '48 and married the yr Secretariat won the Triple Crown ('73) --- ya talk about your karma! i was in awe!
Keep 'em coming!!
They said it for me.
His place is perfect. He holds the spot between Man O War and Secretariat.
This time belongs to Citation.
What makes you think Cy could not beat MoW or Sec.
Kelso was better than than the 3 of them. Go look up kelso and, you will be mind boggled! You must no know much about the great kelso. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.
@@teddylopez747 I have indeed studied Kelso, and I disagree. If you take them all in their primes, and somehow ran them all against each other, I'd be willing to bet on Citation to win, out of the entire 20th century, with the possible exception of Man O' War, and the truly insane weights he carried.
@@lari2294 I would hardly think any horse would clock 2.20 for 1.5 miles
What a beauty~ another Triple Crown Winner! Power! Sure power!
"Beat everybody that showed up!" Fantastic..
The Great Eddie Arcaro (jockey) In the class of Mike Smith!! Back in the 30's-40's-50's for Arcaro..
Citation won sixteen straight races (19 of 20) Only finished once out of 3rd (he has a fever and still raced!)
Citation is the half-brother to another Triple Crown Winner "Whirlaway" (1941) both out of Bull Lea!
So many greats!!!
Deborah Rhoades, Only one great horse "Secretariat"!
@@auletjohnast03638 Citation and Man o' War are at least as great as Secretariat. Its hard to say which one of the 3 is the greatest because they born in different times and Citation was the only Horse of this 3 who ran after his 3 Year old career, nobody knows whether Secretariat and Man o' War just as great would stay, if they ran in "older age".
Nobody would ever know who is the greatest.
How awesome that Citation was so good that he ran a race alone, due to no competition.
Both this horse AND Secretariat were wonderful -- comparing 2 different horses like comparing two different people.
I agree. We have so many terrific horses why quibble over who is the best? Have your favorite.
Vancou vera, God put Secretariat on Earth to show His Wonder.
Kelso was better then both of them and, he weighed 900 pounds and looked like a deer and, had to be gelded cause he was so hard to train. Man, kelso was the freak of all-times. Not even close. Kelso did alot of things alot of horses never did. Just gonna give one that's gonna scare the hell out of you, only 3 horses ever won the whitney, the woodward and, the jockey gold cup in one year, kelso is the only freakin horse to ever pull that stunt 2 times ever!!!!!!!!!!!!! Secretariat got his ass kicked in the whitney, got his butt kicked in the woodward and, ducked prove out at the 2 mile jcokey gold cup. Oh, kelso won those when the jockey gold cup was was 2 grueling miles and, holds the 3 freakin fastest timings for that breaking the record 2 times on sloppy tracks with standing water and, the last time he won that he went just 11 days later and, broke the record on grass in none other than the dc international for 1 mile and a half on 3 tight turns which were way harder than those 2 bullshit huge sweeping turns secretsrit had at belmont right by the rail from the beginning! Man, where you been EINSTEIN? You better go check up on the great kelso alias 'KING KELLY', he was the freak of them all especially just weighing 900 pounds and, looking like a damn deer. Poor kelso he looked like a deer, didn't look like no killer ah? He was something else wasn't he now? Live and lear an, get it right. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.
@@brucerobbins3584 This is the first comment you wrote that I agree with. "Have your favorite".
But when a V8 races a 4 cylinder it's not comparable. Secretariat had a heart 2x the normal size at autopsy. No other horse could compete with him. It's just science and when you figure in the competitive natural drive to win he had Secretariat comes out on top and it's not close.
I think Nearctic, Nearco, War Admiral, Man O' War, Citation, Northern Dancer and Seattle Slew are the greatest through bred horses of all time personally.... other horses besides secretariat need recognition too
All horses are great ,but Secretariat was the greatest! Always will be. RIP to all the great ones!
@@maryj2671Not according to the majority of Historians and Thoroughbred Experts. Man O War was the Horse of the Century according to ESPN, AP, Blood Horse, Sports Illustrated, and many others. Man O War retired with more World, Track, Distance, and American records than Secretariat. There's no contest.
Dr. Fager!
Can we just leave a video about Cy, JUST ABOUT CY!!! Geez
thanks,amazing creature brother horse is,and this one is one of the greatest
Folks, I love to observe and sketch horses - because they are so beautiful and have great emotional intelligence; neither an owner or a rider, I am just an admiring observer.
What has been most striking to me about Citation:
as a 3 year old, he looked completely COMFORTABLE while in peak performance during a race!
Citation's apparent COMFORT under Duress was/is so amazing to behold: astounding... and, surreal.😳
If I were an unlucky gambler, I would much rather have lost my money by overlooking Citation.... a surprisingly, uncommonly gifted creature!
However, to have lost money because of wagering against Secretariat..?? Oh! That would have been truly, seriously, crushing!!! My compassion for everyone who endured that devastation 😱........................
Well done
Greatness and a rare American gem = Citation ❤🐎
Hyperion was not Whirlaway's dad...it was Blenheim II...my bad...
Citation is not talked about enough, his 2 and 3 year old seasons were without a doubt the best is US racing history, possibly world history.
28:58 that's Whirlaway, not Citation. Jeez get it together ESPN.
how do you know
Right. Cy never wore blinders. Belmont end shows the Jockey Club Gold Cup finish! On 3 days rest, he beat some of the top stayers around. The arrow on the Derby beginning does not point to Citation. He was not on the rail then, but Arcaro took him outside.
your so right and also Whirlaway was not a son of bull lea
tubeyhamster Wow, excellent eyes; I will look for that
Excellent eyes, gonna look out for it!
Enjoyed the big C, but I'll always have a soft spot for Zenyatta.
Love you "Big Cy" keep running in Glory, with the very best❤
If you watch this documentary and pay attention, there is no doubt who the best horse ever was, and that my friends is thee Citation, I still believe he could bust out of his grave and beat anything on this planet. 19-20 starts as a three yr old, was actually 20-20, if you paid attention he would have beat bewitched, Secretariat could have never done this, and raced the Pimlico Special alone because they knew they wouldn't beat him. And to top it off he was just getting back to top form when retired, can you people imagine.
Actually, if you watch that documentary and pay close attention, you will find that the are enormous doubts about who the "best" horse was. For example, no horse in history dominated the best horses in the country for 5 consecutive years, winning Horse of the Year 5 times the way Kelso did. No horse besides Kelso won the Jockey Club Gold Cup, the closest thing to the modern Breeders Cup classic, for 5 consecutive years. Along the way, Kelso set two world records for 2 miles on dirt and 1 1/2 miles on turf in the span of just 11 days. Was Citation capable of doing all those things? Was Citation capable of running as fast as horses like Dr. Fager and Forego carrying weights of 134-139 pounds? I could go on, but the point is different horses accomplished different things under different circumstances and any claims that one great horse is better than another are fundamentally subjective. There is no science or exercise in pure reason that can objectively identify "the best horse". "Best" like "beauty" is true only in the eyes of the beholder.
Man, go look up kelso nd, make sure you're sitting down and, have someone there with you when you read some of the crazy things he only did and, he looked like a deer. My God he didn't even weigh 1000 pounds andm was carryibg all that weight. Kelso is in a class by himself. Go look it up.
I agree. Citation and Kelson (who is also one of my favorites) are tied. I like "favorites" instead of "greaatest".Kelso was a gelding and that puts him in another class from Citation. But Kelso has done things that no other horse has done, and that puts him in a class by himself.
Citation has done things that no horse before or after has done, and that puts him in a class by himself. Imagining "what if" is a fruitless enterprise. Who knows if Citation could beat Dr. Fager or Secretariat? Arcaro says he never let Citation run full speed (it happened in the Belmont, and Arcaro said that Cy ran so fast :it scared me")
Citation is my favorite because of his stamina, his guts, his will to win. Running against 7 older horses as a 3 year old and beating alll of them.. Running the one mile Sysonby on Wednesday, and the JCGC on Saturday art 2 miles and winning. I don't claim he was the best. I don't think any horse can claim that.
"Beholder" is also one of my favorites. Terrific mare.
Yes, yes, I have two books on Kelso, and he was an amazing horse. Not a beautiful horse, not of great breeding, but, his record and records!!! I put Citation and Kelso together.
Citation is my favorite horse, too. I dislike the term "greatest" because it is a set up for arguments. Citation is my favorite for all his accompents. I have a screenplay up on Amazon about Citation. His life would make a GREAT movie. It is like a 5 act play of Shakespeare.
Thank you. Noor, new to this country, beat him by VERY small margins (most less than a length). Even worse, Noor was extremely underweighted. In the Santa Anita, Noor had 110 and Cy 132. Noor beat him by 1 in a new track record. Next, the San Capistrano, one of the great races, was a photo finish...Noor by a nose. Noor 117, Cy 130 in a new track/American record.When Noor went back East, he did not do so well.
Cy has nothing to be ashamed about. If Noor carried more weight, he would have lost.
NOT AS A 3YR OLD AT THE HEIGHT OF HIS PERFORMANCE
NOT EVER
NEVER
YOU CANNOT MENTION THE TWO IN THE SAME SENTENCE
@@andrewlinesjah4538 Cy missedhis 3 year old season, with injuries, an osselet and sprained back muschles. He sat out a while year, too late two get him back in shape to run at 4. He should have been retired, but his owner wanted him to be the first horse to win a million dollars, so he was kept racing.
He was "over the hill", when 5 and 6, and lost races he would not have lost at 3. Winning 19 out of 20 races, beating older horses, running 20 miles on 3 days rest is a feat no other horse, including Secretariat, has ever performed, and probably will ever perform. There the same sentence.
In a match race, who would have won? Depends on many factors. At 3, one day Citatiio, another day Secretariat. Secretariat was a great, great, horse. I'd be a fool to deny it. But so was Citation. Let's leave it at that.
@@brucerobbins6528
No !
Eddy himself said no horse including CITATION could have done in THE BELMONT what SECRETARIAT DID
THAT TIME REMAINS A
45 YEAR AND STILL STANDING WORLD RECORD 🌎
SECRATARIAT ALSO HOLDS THE RACE TIME RECORDS STILL STANDING FOR ALL THREE LEGS OF THE AMERICAN TRIPLE CROWN !
I deal in facts ,
Not leave it at that's 👍🏻
@@andrewlinesjah4538 Here'e what Arcaro said when asked who would win if the two horses raced against6 each other:
"I don't think you can answer that. That is great "bar" talk. Then he went on to praise Secretariat's run at the Belmont.
The Belmont was one race, and only one race. The track was extremely fast, as seveal records were set that week.
That is the record on dirt only. Faster times have been run on grass. Grass is not faster than dirt like severy sec fan will tell you. Just look at the British times. The races are run on gass and all the times are slower.
His records in the Derby and Preakness were by fractions, and some have been equalled. Riva Ridge holds the world record at 1-3/16 miles, the Preakness distance. Sham ran that day under 2 minutes with a bloody jaw and teeth out.
Nothing Secretariat did makes him the greatest horse who ever lived. Kelso, Spectacular Bid did more.
@@brucerobbins6528
Behave yourself !
Stop lying with convenient half truths !
Eddy said " No horse could do what SECRETARIAT DID in the Belmont ! "
Back to your closet !
well split my biscuits,
I sit corrected. Just figured a horse named that was kinda funny beating Cy. Heck, they all lose at some point, no doubt Citation was an all time great!
You know every one puts one or the other down . Why not just nut up and give both there due . They were both great great horses who ran at a different time . But both great
Citation died the year Secretariat was born. Uummm
Cynthia Winstead CoNsPiRaCiEs
"there can be only one..." lmao
Wow! Reincarnation
@@timtam7626 This is actually a plausible scenario.
The passing off of the torch! From one champion to the other.
Bon: Cy won the Derby 10 days before I was born! One reason he is special to me. Like Sec, he was a very intelligent horse. I actually thought that Nack's comments were unflattering. "Titanium"? No Bill, bone a muscle, just like all horses, including Sec. Why Nack was picked as a commentator, known as a lover of Sec and who hadn't seen him run, and not Phil Georgeff, a track announcer who had seen Cy, is a terrible casting mistake...
OMAHA! greatest race horse ever.
midatlanticcycle, Omaha was good, but no Secretariat.
Bill Reed's comment toward the end of this piece I thought was very appropriate and on the mark.
Very well put together documentary, some of the minor details aren’t correct, but it doesn’t diminish it at all
Cigar is the only horse who ever came close to his 16 straight race win streak. Cigar tied it! And when you put Secretariats Triple Crowns races against Citations, Secretariat still wins the Triple Crown.
When I was in college, Go For Wand broke her leg, I seem to remember that same year a horse reared up and died during a race. there was a lot of tragedy that year! does anyone remember the other horses? it was 1991 or 92? There are some horses that are born to run, They are the ones that truly enjoy it!
i also remember when Ruffian died. we were watching that race at my one brothers apartment. cried. she was so special
It was 1991 Breeders Cup Distaff Go for Wand had won the Fillies division the previous year 1990.
1991 Breeders Cup Distaff
Bayakoa won makingit two successive wins inthe Distaff
@@christopherchannelmarlo3227 Nope, it was the 1990 Distaff in which Go for Wand broke down. Go for Wand won the 1989 Juvenile Fillies. Bayakoa won the 1989 and 1990 Distaffs. The 1991 version was won by Dance Smartly.
Citation was beautiful also
My point was that Cy would have won those races at even weights. The Western tracks are faster.
I did not mean to disparage Noor. He is a Hall of Fame horse. Cy's bad luck that he had to run against him 4 times. And that the stewards did not put more weight on Noor (they put more weight on him as the year went on).
He did give Cy one pound in the GGHdp and it is a great mystery why Cy lost. It was his last race of the year.
Coaltown was a sprinter, but was not quicker. The Jones knew that. Arcaro slowed Cy, then let him close the gap around the first turn running outside, then caught Coaltown at the top of the stretch and put him away. 3 runs in a Derby. Belmont? Cy stumbled at the gate, then ran to the front, let a horse run with him for a while, then got to the front and Arcaro simply galluped him home. At that time, it was a record. A simple TC bon
Citation is a truly great horse and his Jockey, Eddie Arcaro, said, at one time, he was greatest he ever rode. Arcaro later amended that opinion after Citation's trainer had passed away. Arcaro did not want to offend Citation's trainer because he had such great respect for him. The horse Arcaro rode and considered even greater than Citation...Kelso.
I agree, Secretariat was great 👍
If they had retired Citation at the end of his 3yo year with a record of 29-27-2-0, and didn't bring him back lame as a 5yo would there seriously be any speculation as to the GOAT. Here's a little insight below to this magnificent animal.
06/12/48 Citation 1st Bel 6 6 f D Belmont Stakes-G1
05/29/48 Citation 1st GS 6 1 1/4 m D Jersey
05/15/48 Citation 1st Pim 6 1 3/16 m D Preakness Stakes
05/01/48 Citation 1st CD 8 1 1/4 m D Kentucky Derby
04/27/48 Citation 1st CD 5 1 mile D Derby Trial
04/17/48 Citation 1st HdG 6 1 1/16 m D
Nah secretariat the 🐐
Lame? He set a world record as a 5 year old. Just ran into a buzz saw in Noor.
@@richd3044 Cy was still a reallly good horse at 5, but not the same as 3. Noor was new to the US, and the refs did not know how much weight to put on him. They started at 110 lbs. Cy lost with128 lost by a neck. It continued like this for the next 3 races until Noor carried one pound MoRE than Cy.
Cy lost by an average of .9 lengths in those 3 races carring more weight. The San Juan Capistrano was a photo with Cy carying much more weight.
When Noor was shipped back East, he did not do as well.
@@thepatriarchy819 If you look at the winloss records, Cy was better than any horse before him or since, inluding Sec. Cy won the TC wunninng against the great Coaltown.
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Secretariat was best at Belmont, the 3rd leg of the Triple Crown. After that, perhaps he might be good too but it didn't compete. We can say Secretariat is the best racehorse by speculation, not through actual racing. To name a few horses, Spectacular Bid, Affirm, Alydar, Whirlaway, Seattle Slew, and other great horses achieved something Secretariat never did. They were competing after the Triple Crown.
Are you kidding me!!! Secretariat never went out that day of the Belmont and 'planned' on winning it by 31 lengths. Smh!
Yah, Torcotte shot him right for the rail which is the shortest and, fastest way around any race track. It was perfect for him, it was a fast track which he mostly raced on all his races and, it was 2 huge sweeping turns which are way easier than tight turns and, other than sham who quit for some reason, the other two horses were punks, one had lost 20 races out of 23 and, the other, some people can't even name. The other 2 horses other than sham who was a good horse were twice a prince and, private smiles. Somebody wanted to male sure secretariat won the triple crown. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.
@bruce robbins Man, the sucker was by the rail from the beginning of that race. The other two horses other than sham were 2 punks, two bums, one had lost 20 out of 23 races and, the other wasn't much. They wanted to make sure secretariat won that race. Go look up kelso at the dc international in 1964 and, tell me about a great freakin horse. You obviously don't know hell abut the great kelso. Not even close. No horse was ever a great 3 year old and, won horse of the year at 3 has ever been a great handicap horse at 5 and, won horse of the year at 5 and, no horse that was ever a great handicap horse at 5 and, won horse of the year at 5 has ever been a great 3 year old and, won horse of the year at 3 except for the great kelso and, can you imagine how many horses there have ever been through out the history of horse racing!!!!!!!!!!! Kelso is in a class all by himself. Forget about it, it's not even close. Kelso was and, is the freak of all freaks and, he only weighed 900 pounds! Go look at how much he carried at times for what he weighed. 12pct of his body weight! That was more than forego who stood 17.2 hands and weighed about 1,3000 lbs. Kelso was and, is the greatest racehorse of all-times. So crazy that those 5 years he was horse of the year, he beat all the best 3 year old horses, of those years at 4 years old, having to give away weight to those race horses. he was in a class by himself. KELSOS' biggest fan.
@bruce robbins Hey, Bruce, first of all Ed Bowen who was the big cat at BLOOD HORSE, whom is retired now after many years there, whom I know and, talk to on the phone once in a while told me that an old friend of Eddie Arcaros' whos' still alive and, kicking told him that Eddie did say that kelso would have beaten the shit out of citation and, Eddie rode citation before he freakin got hurt citation. Might be true if you go and, look at how they both faired at the hardest race of them all the 2 mile jockey gold cup, citation did 3:21 3/5 on a fast track and, he was 3 before he got hurt and, kelso did 3:19 2/5 but, that was on a sloppy track with standing water on it and, the great kelso was 3, now what the hell might have kelso done on a fast track? Go figure. I would say maybe 3:18 or, better even? Sure seems like he would have beaten the shit out of citation, especially with kelsos' crazy stamina. Kelso only weighed 900 pounds and, was carrying 12 pct of his body weight at times and, that was more than forego was carrying for a horse that weighed about 1,300 pounds and, was 17.2 hands big. Kelso broke 2 records on sloppy tracks, how many horses have broken a record on a sloppy track? Some can't even run on a sloppy track and, kelso broke 2 records on sloppy tracks even with standing water!!!!!!!!!!!! Secretariat won on a sloppy track but, did not break a record on it. Neither did man of war ever break a record on a sloppy track, he was kelsos great grad father ofcaurse and, was a great horse no doubt considering the times with the bad tracks, no gates and, iron shoes and, all the weight. As far as secretariat doing what kelso did, I don't see it, kelso set records at 3 and, was still setting records at 7, no horse has ever pulled that stunt! kelso was and, is the only horse to ever be a great horse at 3 and, win horse of the year at 3 and, still be a great handicap horse at 5 and, win horse of the year at 5. No horse that was ever a great handicap horse at 5 and, won horse of the year at 5 was ever a great horse at 3 and, won horse of the year at 3!!!!! Get outta here, man you gotta be kidding, kelso is beyond compare Bruce. It get's even crazier, kelso was also a great handicap horse at 4, 6 and, 7 and, won horse of the year at those ages, that was 5 years and, no horse is ever gonna pull that stunt again. He was actually beating the 3 year old champions of all those 5 years, horses that had been in the triple crown races those 5 years, and, at 4 beating them giving away weight to them!!! In the triple crown they run equal weights, which is easier, right chief? Kelso was something else and, he is in a class all by himself.Yes in deed I would have liked to seen sec stick around when he was 4 and, after to see just how great big boy really was when he had to give weight to a real good younger horsey. That's why you hardly have any handicap races anymore, nobody wants to give the advantage to another real good young horsey because they might end up getting their butts kicked and, embarrashed as hell. Nobody did ore than kelso. My God, only 3 horses ever won the whitney, the woodward and, the jockey gold cup in the same year and, kelso is the only horsey to pull that stunt twice!!!!! Secretariat got his butt kicked in the whitney got his ass kicked in the woodward and, didn't even bother with the tuffest race of all, the 2 mile jockey gold cup cause a horse named prove out who kicked his ass was gonna be in it. Wisely so, cause prove out the Allen Jerkens horse, did 3:20 for that and, that's the second fastest horse to ever do that, prove holds the 4th fastest timing for that, guess who hold the 3 fastest timings for that, none other than the horsey that looked like a deer, the great kelso alias 'KING KELLY' , crazy isn't that? No horse ever did under 3:20 for the 2 mile jockey gold cuo except for the great kelso, like his owner Mrs. Dupont said. That's crazy especially the last time he won that cause he did 3:19 1/5 and, broke his own record on a sloppy track, ofcaurse on dirt, for 2 miles, then went just 11 days later and, broke the record on grass for 1 mile and a half on 3 tight turns which are way harder than those 2 huge sweeping turns sec had at Belmont right by the freakin rail. There were also no gates used in those dc international races which included osme of the best horses in the world, yet kelso did the last quarter faster than he did the first quarter, in 23 seconds and, 4/5, damn for a 1 mile and, a half race!!!!!!!! They should have called kelso 'CRAZY HORSE'[lol]! Kelso was 7 years old at the time and, he's the only horse to ever break a record on dirt then break a record on grass just 11 days apart!!!!!!!Trust me and, kelso was not the soundest horse, he suffered from colic pain all his life. Kelso was the freak of all freaks and, he only weighed 900 pounds and, looked like a deer and, beat some horses giving as much as 20 pounds to them! Kelso took the cake and, still takes the cake, it's that some people just don't know much about the horsey that looked like a deer. Poor kelso he looked like a deer. What a great one he was. 'ONCE UPON A TIME THER WAS A HORSE NAMED KELSO BUT, ONLY ONCE'. I'll never forget him. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.
@bruce robbins Where the hell was secretariats 22 pound heart which he was soppose to get more oxegen with, when he got his fat ass kicked? Imagine had he ran longer and, had had to stat giving away weight to some real good horses like kelso did! Kelso is in a class all by himself. Trust me prove out would have kicked secs' ass all over again had sec had the testicles to face him in the grueling 2 mile jockey gold cup. Prove out could have been one of the true greats of all-times, he had bad ankles at the start and, had a nasty habit of loggin in, Allen Jerkens kept him healthy for a while and, showed him not to log in and, prove out not only beat sec he beat 3 other hall of famers in a span pf just 2 months! Beat the hell out of secs' stable mate riva ridge, riva was doing quite well and, keeping up with prove out for a mile and, a half then went to hell after that suicidal pace they were both running at. Riva ran out of gas and, ended up last. By the way prove out holds the 4th fastest timings for the 2 mile jockey gold cup, the great kelso holds the 3 fastest and, they were all under 3:20 and, no other horse ran 2 miles under 3:20 except for the great man of wars' great grandson, the great kelso. Prove out scared the shit out of secretariat, think kelso would have had a chance in hell against secretariat? As a matter of fact Gun Bow was supposedly kelsos' rival for a while was a better horse than sham, go figure. He was kelsos' cousin through man of war. Gun bow broke a record at a time for 1 mile and, a 4th at 1:59 3/5, that was in a handicap race. Gun bow was a good horse but, his cousin kelso showed him who the King was. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.
@bruce robbins Bless your little heart Bruce, I know, Eddie said that at the beginning he would hold the great kelso back a bit to keep them from putting even more weight in him. I remind people that that means that who knows how many more records kelso would have broken and, how many more races he would have won by double digits! But, had he let kelso go all out they would have killed him with all that weight, he would have lost to some horses that at equal or, closer weights he would have beaten the hell out of. I know, Bruce, bless you heart, you know your stuff. It's like kelsos' great grand father man of war they wanted to put 150 pounds on him after a while and, it looks like the owner said 'go screw yourself'and, didn't want to take a dive. I hear you Bruce, you know your stuff guy. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.
Nearctic, Nearco and Northern Dancer made thoroughbred racehorses what they are today!!!! Without the first 2, none of the greatest of the greats would even exist!!! they are the basis and foundation of all Triple Crown winners now and from times long gone. In order to keep the greats and kings of horseracing in the blood of the newbies, breeders must remember to only mate stallions and mares together that have these 3 legends in their heritage or we just might have to wait another 25-37 years for another Triple Crown!!!!!
Don’t forget Bull Lea.
You're forgetting the great stallion Nasrullah....
The greatest horse ever was Kincsem. Her record was 54/54.
Beat trees.
No in my opinion affirmed and citation and ruffian is better just sayin
Washington Park was not in Chicago Illinois. But in Cal City. Which was south of Chicago. It was closed in the 1970's. The sister track was Balmoral Park. It was closed to racing now it's a equestrian venue. With show jumping and dressage. The old track base is still there. Arlington Park is gone now to. Stupid football team destroyed it. Only Hawthorne Park is there. But it probably won't be for much longer. Very sad these great historical landmarks are gone.
Whirlaway was by Blenheim II, not Bull Lea.
True. There are many video discrepancies here also. Bad editing job by ESPN.
tubeyhamster I had thought he wasn't by bull lea. I was right.
I know terrible by ESPN very unprofessional to mix lines up.
A Great horse
Man o war was the greatest race horse
at 8 minutes they claim Whirlaway was one of Bull Lea's sons. WRONG. Whirlaway aka Mr. Longtail was a son of Bheliem II and Dustwhirl. Get your facts right ESPN.
I KNOW RIGHT?!?
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We both love horses, and I definitely don't want to fight. I don't know if Arcaro was alive when this was filmed, but Phil Georgeff was. He knows more about horseracing, Citation, and Arcaro than anybody. It seem to me that if you are making a documentary about Citation, Phil would be an invaluable source of info....let's leave it at that....
Kelso is the greatest racehorse of all-times and, it's not even close. No horse that was ever horse of the year at 3 was a great handicap horse at 5 and, no horse that was ever a great handicap horse at 5 was a great horse of the year at 3, gets even crazier, kelso was also a great handicap horse at 4, 6, and, 7. Kelso said f- you to all the horses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.
Again, I know Ed Bowen who was the big guy at Blood horse for years and, has retired and, he told me I was right, that a friend of Eddie Arcaros' who is still alive and, kicking told him that Arcaro did say that kelso would have beaten the shit out of citation. Kelso was and, is the greatest racehorse of all-times and, for many reasons. KELSOS' BIGGEST FAN.
All of the triple crown winners are obviously excellent horses, but the greatest thoroughbred still Secretariat !🐎
Is there one of these for coaltown? Ya know what he was to many people the Hercules of his time he was born to be a legend and he always will be the iron horse gladiator
Ignorant about racehorses. Was Coaltown a confederate of MoW?
Ron Macanally said Ci was the greatest he ever saw.
The greatest horse of the 20th Century. He beats Secretariat on any track, any distance, any day. The war horses were the iron horses of thoroughbred horse racing.
Maybe. Could Bobby Jones beat Tiger Woods or JackNicklaus, Probably, SPECULATION, BUT IITS FUN TO CONTEMPLATE, you might be right, Greatness should be celebrated.
Huh? How do you explain then that Secretariat still holds the triple crown records nearly 50 years later? Arcaro himself said that nobody could have defeated Secretariat on Belmont day. Secretariat defeated 3 older Eclipse award winners and a Canadian turf champion in just one race while setting a world record. On the turf, he defeated a world record holder in Tentam.
It was one race. Citation won more races than Secretariat even ran. Ran the New Jersey stakes between The Preakness and The Belmont, won by 11 lengths. Ran a race mid-week, ran again that same week-end, winning both. Through to the end of his 3 year old season, he could and would beat any horse brave enough to run against him.
@@kathilyons3167 Citation also won more races than total races run by nearly all of Secretariat's non-gelding contemporaries - Buckpasser, Arts and Letters, Dr. Fager, Seattle Slew, Riva Ridge, Spectacular Bid, Affirmed, Canonero II, etc. Damascus ran in the same number of 32. And ALL of these horses ran in their 4 year old season. The point being that by the 1960s, syndicates began influencing how often and for how long horses ran. Secretariat was retired at 3. Don't take it out on the horse because of the decision of humans.
Even if it was "just one race" which I would highly doubt to begin with, your comment of any track, any distance, any day is highly subjective, if not inherently false.
@@richd3044 You have your opinion - I have mine.
8:00- Whirlaway was a son of Blenheim II, NOT Bull Lea.
Love Whirlaway!!!
they need to do a movie of him
Lynn and I are independently working on it. It would make a GREAT movie. It's got everything. Highs, lows, tragedy, and a final happy ending. Period picture. Trying to find somebody who wants to direct it and fund it. Not easy, even with such a terrific project.
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ThatPlasticPony, Sorry, he's no Secretariat.
Since sec was more recent people would pick him over citation.if sec is better,how come he didn’t win 16 races in a row or win 27 out of 29 like citation?
❤❤❤Citation ❤❤❤
what the hell was going on with the subtitles?
2 year olds can take on all comers in top uk sprints from about August... plenty are respectable... kingsgate native, lady Aurelia etc
John Mayer love that horse