Yeah, but that was only added because idiots licked the power outlet; and then probably successfully sued them for a million bucks because the manual didn't warn them not to do it.
+Eazy Sometimes I would pretend I was a total idiot for 5 minutes to tech support. Then I would say, "Now that we both have wasted 5 minutes let's get to the point I was trying to make 5 minutes ago when you asked me if the little red light on the front of the computer was on."
In those days, you could never trash a computer because it was WAY MORE EXPENSIVE in those days. When I was growing up in the 80s, only business people or well to do people had a computer... everyone else had Nintendo.
+aarongrooves He knows that, but it wasn't that useful, it really could only play games, most of the systems capabilities were locked off from the consumer.
Also, the full schematics in a USER manual! I get how that would basically be impossible today since the circuits are much, much more complex and manuals would have to be way bigger to accommodate the huge schematics, plus to the average user of a PC today that would look like alien writings so I guess there is no point. But it is still way cool that you used to get that for us who actually know how to read those and would want to mess with it.
Always fix and keep old PCs running. You never know when you might need a Minecraft/TeamSpeak server box, or even just a media centre! There's so many reasons to hang onto them. Hell, put one in an arcade cabinet with MAME and you've got a cheap ass arcade machine with EVERY ARCADE GAME!
My mother gave me a computer from her workplace because she knows I'm into computers. I upgraded the CPU from the stock Celeron 420 to a Cor2Duo E7200 and added my old R7 240 Graphics Card and now it serves me as my multimedia machine.
***** Indeed. You had a little book within the computer, with BASIC language programming. You could also buy the "PROGRAMMER'S REFERENCE GUIDE" with machine language teaching and all the stuff for deep programming the computer : the wiring, timings of the chips, memory addressing, everything ! Some C64 were sold with the "PROGRAMMER'S REFERNCE GUIDE" inside the box.
***** My first computer was a ZX81. It had a dazzling 1K of memory (16K with the expansion pack) and a manual all about how to program it. I still have it in the loft.
CaptainDangeax That Programmer's Reference Guide was AMAZING, too! My friends and I all bought them, and one of my friends actually wrote a full assembler in BASIC, copying all the functionality of the Commodore 128 version in Commodore 64 mode, then added even more features to it. We also used it to write a VERY rudimentary 1 bit audio digitizer using the tape drive and the noisy audio driver by switching the volume on and off rapidly. But anyone worth their salt eventually just got a Warp Speed or Action Replay cartridge or similar to improve BASIC and add assembly/disassembly and a hardware interrupt switch for editing memory, and speeding up disc access about 5-10x all in one convenient little cartridge. ;)
You say you don't like people who kill because they think they'll go to a magical place. Ok. Fair enough. So what kind of killers DO you like? I ask because EVERY group on earth kills. Human social groups harbor murderers, regardless of belief. So since you're selective in your killers, what's your flavor?
Metaru Elite There are several things wrong with what you said. Things are most certainly NOT getting better. In fact, if you knew anything about the economy, you'd know that the goal of our current one is to fail ultimately. It is impossible that our economy will last much longer. Not the end of the world, but it's not going to be pretty. Here are some more things for you to google: Fractional Reserve Banking, Fiat Currency, Economy and an infinite growth model, Inflation, Quantitative Easing. Good luck in your journey to enlightenment.
Metaru Elite oh ok. Well yeah computers are getting much more powerful much faster these days, BUT think of how much quicker we would see those advancements if the corporations that sold computers weren't trying to milk each generation of computer for every dime they could. We used the same resolution monitors for something like 30 years. That is because our current system is designed for profit not achievement or advancement.
***** Nope, powerful politicians have these magical buttons that they can hit to make food/medicine/money appear out of thin air, so we should all switch to communism! And anyone who says otherwise is just a liar! Now if you'll excuse me, I dropped my tinfoil hat somewhere around here.
***** Especially with Windows ! Windows XP 64 bit could support GPT file system and 3TB hard drive so why not the 32 bit versions, or Windows 7 even can't boot from GPT, only access it. And NTFS can store 16 EXABYTES but is limited by windows 7 to 3TB and Windows Sever 2003 of 256TB. So since Windows XP or Server 2003 we still wouldn't need to upgrade the OS for GPT ! 16 EXABYTES would be much better or even 256 TB. Why can't it be updated ?!?!? I'm sure it could easily if they could access GPT with XP 64 bit and 256TB Windows Server. I'm sure Windows 8 or 10 can't access 16 EXABYTES either despite that being the NTFS limit or even 1 tenth or 1 /100 with larger clusters would still be. Windows 10 just says much larger disk access than 2TB but GPT says the file limit is For disks with 512-byte sectors, maximum size is 9.4 ZB (9.4 × 1021 bytes) or 8 ZiB (9,444,732,965,739,290,427,392 bytes, coming from 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 (264) sectors × 512 (29) bytes per sector). How much you want to be that this is severely limited too like NTFS. Windows 10 GPT says this: Allows a much larger partition size--greater than 2 terabytes (TB), which is the limit for MBR disks. Notice it doesn't mention disk size , only bigger than 2TB ! And Windows shouldn't need to be 20GB or 30GB in size. If XP could install in 800-900M then Windows 7 shouldn't be much bigger. Instead it is 11 times the size. Not counting the winsxs dir that gets huge quick. Mine it 9GB, making the original install of about 9GB double in size to 18GB, add page file and about 30GB. And Linux could read GPT in about 2001 but not windows ! Puppy Linux can run in 250M of RAM and run 100% in RAM very fast. It runs great on old Pentium 4 machines from a USB drive so why can't Windows run smaller ? And why are we FORCED to buy new versions that are even more bloated and slow than the last version. I can run Windows 98 on my machine way faster than Windows XP or 7 runs on the same machine, and with less RAM and hard drive space.
It's not just home computers. Playing a new game on a home console in the past: 1. Insert game 2. Turn on console 3. Play game estimated time: 5-10 seconds Playing new games nowadays: 1. Turn on console 2. Insert game 3. Wait for game to install, even though you bought the physical copy and not the digital one 4. Make and eat sandwich while game installs 5. Take nap while game installs 6. Get your phd while game installs 7. Finally play game estimated time: 1-5 hours, depending on how good your internet is. Making DLC in the past: 1. Make complete game 2. Create additional content Making DLC nowadays: 1. Make part of a game and sell it full price 2. Make consumers pay again for content that's already on the disc they already paid full price for 3. Sell rest of the complete game in pieces 4. Maybe make additional content to sell
So damn right. Which is worse, installing a game on steam, or "installing" a game on modern gen consoles? No flame wars about which console is better please.
The reason some of these points are true is because businesses want to divide the market. All of the people that would repair computers and make smart decisions are becoming a minority against the "sheeple" that do whatever their favorite company tells them to. If you build your own computer, you can very much fix it. If you're an uninformed consumer buying a prebuilt, chances are you wouldn't know where to start in fixing it. It's not that hard to replace a dead CMOS or remount your CPU, it's just people are never taught this stuff and so don't know it.
I'm going to go on all of your points: *My PC boots up in less than 10 seconds and I have no SSD *So you basically had to restart your PC to close an application? Doesn't seem to efficient *Back then you needed paper manuals because you didn't have internet, now you can look up the manuals in the manufacturer's page *If you teach them right any person can learn how to program easily, it just takes time *This really depends on the company *Today is the same, if your mobo breaks, you just replace it and you still have your data on your HDD or SSD *Nowadays you just double click, click next a couple of times and you're done *Exactly the same, for example you buy a new GPU or CPU *I use my email frequently and I haven't got a spam message in over a year *Right now I'm using Windows XP and there isn't a single thing I could think of I can't do *Back then computers were so much simpler than now and more expensive, now if something breaks you just replace it
I'll go over your points... 1. His boot in less than 10 seconds. It was running of less than a gig of space... 2. You have to close the program, wait for the script to stop, and wait for it to reload the desktop. His just had to reboot. 3. Back then, people had manuals. Now, people have to get to the online ones how? What if I don't have a phone. "Hi, can I borrow your computer. I need to look a at a manual for mine." 4. They didn't need to be taught. He just said that. 5. Name one company that has actually been helpful. Because Microsoft told me to switch my PC off and on again... Thanks Microsoft, as if I didn't try that... 6. I agree. That's true. 7. Yeah, but that doesn't take 5 seconds... Plus, sometimes you have all that stupid, "Do you want to download our viruses and useless crap." 8. Again. I agree. 9. Lots of people do though. But I see your point... Stop signing up for those websites people... It's a trap. 10. I have XP on my laptop... I need to upgrade it at some point... 11. WOOH! Collosus Master race! (I couldn't think of anything to say to that.)
haybaleable I don't have time to reply to everything right now but if you don't have a cell phone in this fast pace modern world I don't know how you're communicating with people in other states and etc if you have a business.
this might work if you put them into an lead enclosure with some additional mu metall covering the box and then putting this box in a temperature regulated room. But natural magnetic field, radiation, temp changes will alter your data or to be more precise the magnetic compounds of the storage device. My father keept some old movies on casettes over 20 years in a box untouched not near some electrical device or near electrical wires. It was not stored in the basement. Only in his office - so only modest temperature changes. The most of them have a severe quality issues and some of them are even not usable anymore.
Record: pretty much stable... Cassette: deteriorates with every use, screwed if tape gets jammed. CD / DVD / Blu-Ray: Gets all scratched up... Playstation black CD: Almost Scratch proof. MiniDisc: Much more durable, but suffers from TOC read error, data can be lost. Disk: mostly stable. USB Stick: The clear winner... External Hard Drive: Weak to Magnets, can fail after many uses.
What? No. O think because of the internet, less annoying hardware limits and constantly expanding list of useful apps. Modern omputers actually unlock imagination a lot more. Especially for non-so-tech people.
Is this satirical? Seems like it, but it's marked as educational. Most of these have good reasons to be different in 2013 or just aren't true. 1. C64 booted up immediately, but it took ages to load programs. A modern PC does that in 5 seconds maximum. 2. If you want info about programming, you have that thing called the Internet with much more information and answers to any possible questions. 3. If your C64 started smoking and got black screen, Tech Support from 1990 wouldn't be more helpful than Tech Support nowadays. 4. You could also use an external HDD. It might be slow to transfer information, but are diskettes fast? 5. That didn't install software, it just ran it. Modern programs also have portable versions which you can run without installation. 6. I dunno. How about new games/programs that your previous PC couldn't handle? Isn't that the same as the C64 vs Amiga for example? Also you showed a 19 year video game timeline. How were video games 19 years ago? Graphics have changed a lot, just like 1971 vs 1990. 7. If you don't share your e-mail everywhere around the Internet and don't make accounts using it, you wouldn't get spam. Since you didn't have these options in 1990, it's no wonder nobody got spammed. 8. The C64 vs iPad? Why comparing a shitty Apple product against a computer? My PC can run 2001 games, just like my 2001 PC can run some modern games. 9. OK, that's something modern PCs don't have. 8 points for modern PCs, 1 point for C64.
hristaki99 if I power on my PC (i5. SSD, 16GB ram..). it haven't even passed POST in 5 seconds. my Amiga has already booted its graphical GUI..2. to setup a programming environment requires a lot of work. on the C64. you WAS at an Basic editor already. 3. with that old machines, any radioshop (you know. by then they repaired stuff aswell) could repair the machine. (by actually reparing. not replacing boards) ah.. I love my Amiga and the oldschool machines. PCs are just booring machines with no soul.
1. well my Amiga is by far more then a few lines of text. it is a graphical GUI, preempetive multitasking. way before windows had it.. well PC are more modern today. YES. but still my Amiga boots WAY faster. 2. batch is no programming, that is simple scripting. .bat files are HORRIBLE. .ps1 is more ok, still quite horrible. 3. no modern machines you cannor repair, you exchange boards MAYBE you change the caps but you do not repair more, tracerepairs changing ICs etc. the drawback with modern tecnology. it is simply too damn expensive to do real repairs. bad for the environment :-(
IT has really changed from electronics knowledge needed to understand a computer and fix the logic board to just knowing the larger component groups like a graphics card or power supply and knowing that its bad and how to replace it. It would be nicer to see IT professionals know electronics and actually fix things again
4:22 I love how boxed up his commodore, wrapped it, and then had his daughter open it while wearing retro clothing. I can imagine in his head "Man I'm gonna Spielberg the shit out of this...wait this is a period piece she needs to wear clothes that fit this montage." I freaking love how overdone this part is.
that's actually the only point that really nobody can answer to... I personally love being able to open up a computer and knowing what does what and where it goes... even down to possibly repairing it myself... but companies don't want people to be able to repair their own computers, they want them to spend lots of money and time buying new hardware and moving everything to a new computer every time something breaks... they keep us ignorant, and in the dark, so we can't make things last like they did before =(
+Simon good luck figuring out were all those traces on a 1400 pin flip chip go, or getting replacements for said chips, if anything important shits out the device is ruined, not as much of an issue in the desktop world, but anything mobile its impossible
+Simon there wasnt a mobile to speak of back then, and i would love to see you get your hands on, as a consumer, one of intels sandy bridge mobile processors, or one of nvidia's flip chips, or find a schematic so you can diagnose what the hell went wrong when your power management ic decides it doesnt much care for the vrms any more and roasts them
Old computers really were better. Even though they might not have the hardware capabilities of today's computers, but they're sure built to last. I still have a computer from 1995 with the original parts in it and it still works. When I see Pentium 4 computers being junked, I actually die just a bit on the inside. Not that I have an emotional attachment but I just see perfectly good stuff being junked for new inferior stuff that's designed to break and wear out quickly. And now stuff is being designed like the iPad where you must upgrade the entire device otherwise you can't install the later software. Can someone please say ripoff? Let's face it, we've become a disposable society and it's really sad that we're taught that we must buy the newest equipment all the time otherwise be left behind. It never used to be that way, no reason it has to be now.
Michael Flatman I do have a relatively new PC running an older version of Windows just because I choose to, but I agree with your sentiment. Sometimes the older stuff can be a great backup when the new computers fail. It seems bad capacitors and other cheapened hardware while better performing, just doesn't last as long as it used to. I had a Dell Optiplex GX270 that suffered the bad capacitors of death that brought the entire thing past it's knees and to it's demise, yet I have an older HP Vectra VLi8 that was used in a school since it was brand new and then I took it because they were going to send the older machines to goodwill. I'm still using it as a second machine. It's not a speed demon but it's a rock solid workstation. It had a PIII 500MHz processor in it that I did upgrade to 850MHz. I wanted 1GHz but I cannot find the cartridge PIII on eBay that would work with it and one time that I did, it was well not worth the huge $100 sticker price on it.
There is a reason that P4 systems are being junked these days: the Pentium 4's were overpriced space heaters that were outperformed by both the AMD Athlon series and the later PIII's.
Viper Jay 5 the only reason tablets can't be modified, is because every part is fitted exactly into the right spot, so it can be small and user friendly. it is possible to build a Tablet running iOS or Android when you have the parts, but assembling it is a bitch. because it is small!!!
Whoa whoa! Hold up. The C64 actually had a diagram schematic with it? I wonder what happened to the one that should have come with the computer that my brother and I got back in 1985?
Wholeheartedly agree. It just seems that tech support nowadays is just nothing more than just talking to a wall through a phone. I mean, come on...if a company REALLY cared about the end-user, and the product you're using from said company, well...yeah.
Thank you my friend, I'm from that good old generation who started programming on Basic on my favorite Atari 800XL at the age of 7, your channel is bringing me back all those good memories. Thanks again!
***** I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, but there was a certain benefit to "owning the machine," when all it did while a prompt was being displayed was run no-ops until the operator commanded it to load and execute a program. Of course, memory management and housekeeping was strictly up to the programmer, unless you were writing in BASIC, and even then we would often "poke" machine language into upper memory, allowing us to crash the system in creative ways ;-)
Mark Bunds I was absolutely not being sarcastic. Remember when you did what you turned your computer on to do, instead of surfing pictures of kittens for hours? I do. :)
Likely easier to troubleshoot in case of random system file corruptions, driver conflicts too. Nowadays I get almost zero feedback if something is working incorrectly.
The thing is: I don't program for Windows. I'm just a normal user, and my previous experience with Windows XP and then 7 paid off. Windows is relatively easy to understand.
I think most of this video was mocking the old days...not really advocating it was truly better back then. I never liked the older games...cept maybe pong.
There's nothing in this video mocking the old days. And regarding pong... First, I suspect you didn't spend much time playing old games, and second, let me tell you, every time I sit a bunch of teenagers in front of an Atari VCS playing 4-player Pong Sports, or maybe Warlords, the first thing I get is complaints that they can't figure out a paddle (seriously, this happens CONSTANTLY), and the second thing I get is the satisfaction of watching them spend at least a half hour on it, and generally the reason they stop playing is because there are over a hundred other games to check out. And you know what the best part about it is? You put the cartridge in, you turn it on, and YOU START PLAYING. I rub it in kids' faces all the time when I'm playing with them, that four people sitting around for 15 minutes waiting for your game to download updates is something we never put up with - those carts still work 40+ years later and they're still fun.
guys the best part of the video was when the girl opened the box,Now for you young kiddies who don't remember the fucking awesomeness of getting a C64 for Xmas, this is how it went, a few months prior to you getting it, Your freinds had it, you begged your parents for it, everytime you were in the shops you would walk up to one and be like, Mum this is the computer that i was talking about, this is it, this is the one, LOL she would act like she didn't give a shit, anyway, months and months of begging for it, and pleading, and then one magical xmas, you open it, and it's luke FUUUUUCCKKKKK YEEEAAAAHHHH, No way, it's a C64 so, you went to Big W and bought a pack of Double Side, Double Density Verbatim Floppy disks and a disk box, and went to your freinds house to copy their games., then you told them you had one and it all went from there, it was awesome, best feeling in the world, oh and you told your mum you were going to use it for School, LMFAO we all know how that went down, but, we did crack open the manual and learn BASIC Programming. how cool was that.
I remember for one xmax, I got money from my parents, my grandma's and papa's and bought a 1541 floppy drive. What a quantum leap after the tape, even with turbotape. Some years after, same situation, I bought an Amiga500 and my happiness was as strong as the girl in the video.
CaptainDangeax LOL, hell yeah the old 1541 and thanks for jogging my memory, i almost forgot about the TurboTape yeah when 1541 came in it was all ,8,1 i remember that LOL and we were like, wooaah , check out how fast it load, it's like only 15 maybe 20 mins LOL and yeah, then Amigo 500 Rocked and Left C64 for dead, i think C64 still had more games though, i didnt' have an Amiga, i had to go to my freinds how to play it, he didn't seem to have as many games, he only had about 20 or so i had in excess of 400 Games on C64 Remember that feeling of having so many fucking games and one day realising how many games you had in your Floppy Box and then running your fingers over all your disks at once from back to front and the smell of all that plastic LOL Remember the Labels there was only room to write down 2 names, even though you had about 12 games on the disk, so you had to remember where each game was, based on what was on the label oh, and Remember Strip Poker LOL the graphics LOL Fucking Funny Memories and you were like "Hey dude, is my mum coming" I guess this was what the RESET Switch on the side of the C64 was designed for INSTANT OFF LOL thanks for the memory dude.
i remember that. i got batshit mad one day before my birthday, and when i got it i apologized. And my kids are still the sam. I WANT THAT HEADPHONE AND THAT DRESS AND THAT THING said no and made them angry. and their birthday ended the same as mine. happy.
my brother and i were stoked when we unboxed our Amstrad The PC 1512 DD and we got tapper, digger and Alleycat with it, later on we got Mother goose from a cousin who had one of the same units but it had a HDD in it, anyone remember having to "Park the heads" before turning it off!
Tech support in the 80s? Basically, you bought the computer and.. that was it. When the thing didn't work, you figured out by yourself how to fix it. If you couldn't figure out, that was it, get another software. Things didn't improve much in the 90s, you combined all the knowledge you had from spectrums, c64s and Ataris, looked how other software of the same type if they had instructions and used trial and error for hours or days. Installing a sound card? You physically configured them by jumpers, actually changing the how the current went thru the board so IRQs didn't conflict, DMAs, installed drivers manually etc. Again, mostly trial and error and you could actually fry the board if you put jumpers wrong.. Now you plug it in, turn the power on and OS takes care of everything. You know why us 40 something are pretty good with computers* and are not afraid to just try? I just told you.. The kind of tech support referred in this video was way out of budget for 90% of the home users, mostly, there was no tech support at all in your country. You read magazines and learned from there (also, magazines actually had code printed on the pages so you had to type them manually... after three or more days, it didn't work.. because in the next issue typos were corrected..) Now, i can download a software and go thru online tutorials and courses, learn to use in a day.. When something breaks: type the problem in google and problem is (usually) solved in minutes. * those of us that were interested enough about the subject in the 80s...Those who weren't, are just awful... Yeah, nerds won :)
LOL, I had a Commodore 64 back in the day and it went faulty. I took it back to Dixons (the UK) and it took 6 months for them to repair it and send it back to me. It came back still not working. My dad went to the store and shouted at them, and they swapped it out for a brand new unit. These days, you call and someone is here that same day fixing your computer. But most folks these days can open up a PC and make upgrades themselves.
+Corinn Heathers floppy diskettes only got a bad wrap because manufacturers starting making them and their hardware very poorly, so we'd migrate away from them.. You'd be astounded how much more reliable the older floppies were than the garbage they were selling around 2002.
+Corinn Heathers "cloud" storage is literally you paying to store your stuff on another computer. some people even believe that if the planet dissapeared, the cloud would remain. -_-
+Corinn Heathers Except that now some big corporation has control over your files and can share, and/or sell your information, files, etc. to anyone in the world with a click of a mouse. I don't see how cloud storage is very safe or secure. Not to mention big government looking at every bit of data you got stored over there at cloud 9 LOL.
I do miss the full manual that comes with games on floppy disk. There were even graphics you could look at while reading, bit like a comic book. And I never called tech support because things just worked. Nowadays it's wait for an upgrade after you purchase...
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I totally agree with you! "Back then" every computer had its magic inside that caused this "wow" effect each time. And each computer was slightly different from the other one (at least here in Poland) as every computer has been home made from whatever part we could find on the market :) I really miss those times...
MarioFan 835 The Irony is something at CS people dont wanna to lissen, ok its not a PC problem but it is a CS problem. One time I needed to replace something on my Wii U gamepad but in my country there is no official Nintendo CS but anyway the UK official Nintendo site have a live chat where I can talk to someone from Nintendo, its not the first time I ordered something from UK I just need to ask them to they sell it as spare part and thats it. Well I contact them and explain them, made them clear to ask only do they have that item as a spare part he answered with "please contact the costumer serivice in your country". I tried to explain it to him everyway I could but he was just like a broken record. I at the end just gave up and looked online for some stores that service gaming console, and the guy at the store that I contacted was unlike the Nintendo guy really helpful
"What can your new PC do that your old one didn't do?" Well... it's alot faster, performs better under load, handles more titles, and is super silent. "Old things did it faster" Things booting faster is only really because of the small files with nearly no GUI or things to load. Just simple text that a calculator could even do. "Spam and whatever" People still received spam through legit mail, nothing's really changed when it comes to spam and chain mail. Old ones are cool and stuff, but the new ones are better in every way to be honest.
Silence is a good thing when it comes to computers, rather you have a water cooled or fan cooled system... How is THAT being stupid??? Also, have some seen some of the computers that come out of the community, way better looking.
Calssified Information Nah I'm basing this off of everything I've seen nowadays. But HPs and Dells for example. Those used to look really good. I'm not too familiar with the old HP stuff but I really like the look of the old HP Vectra systems. From the 486s to the PIIs. This was their period where it looks like they were inspired by Olivetti as I like to say hahaha because of the many similarities between the two... Olivetti by the way if you didn't know is/was a computer manufacturer who made some of the best-looking computers of all time back in the days. Now I have to admit I think the Dells were always a bit boring in design even back then but they did have some really good-looking stuff. For example, Dell System 310, which is a computer that both looks boring but really cool at the same time... I also really like the more high-end Dell systems of the early 90's. You know, the ones that had *freaking LCD screens* on the front? What a genius idea! An LCD screen on the front. You don't see that nowadays. Olivetti also put LCD screens on their computers back then but it was only on their tower computers which is/was? more common. Oh and even though this is really recent I love to look of the Dell Optiplex GX1s... How is silence a good thing, can someone even tell me? In my opinion the noisier something is the cooler it is. And also I like to be able to hear what my computer is doing thank you very much.
+VideoTape You should really check out computer case manufactuers like nzxt, antec, fractal, corsair, etc. The quiter the computer the better, you don't necissarily have to have a louder system for a cooler one. Water cooled systems for example are quiter and cooler.
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I love Floppy diskettes, if they had made a modern form of media that looked the same that'd be sweet. My absolute favorite old media form though? HuCards.
+Jorge Andrés Commodore 64 is so common they don't really have much value. You can get them for cheap and probably can for years to come. Amigas are a little bit more expensive but more fun for gaming imo.
+Jorge Andrés I always wanted a Commodore 128. But.... my family never had a lot of money.. instead we got Colecovision .. Still have a bunch of old carts today.
Seeing how quick that chip could be replaced reminds me of when I needed to get my c64c fixed as the sid chip decided to kick the bucket, took nearly a week to have it repaired!
In all fairness, nowadays better companies do have downloadable pdf files, I'm especially fond of the WiFi router manuals. ;) Anyone remember the Hayes modem manuals with hundred pages of AT+ commands? Those were the true pioneering days of the "information superhighway" at 300/1200/9600/56k baud! :D
I get why open source programs don't have printed manuals, which is understandable, but there is no excuse for proprietary software/hardware not to have them. Today's printed "manuals" are more like brochures/pamphlets
While doing phone support, I worked on the original Boca modems and those AT commands were critical. I actually got to the point of memorizing many of them and could diagnose a modem just by sound. NO my name isn't BOB JONES...LOL
Well, at least the manuals for motherboards are still pretty detailed and helpful. Buying premade computers isn't the way to get a great PC anyway for someone who wants to be in control of their PC and have proper upgradability.
Nope, they were terrible. Having Cherry Keyswitches on your keyboard is the for performance, but the Commodore 64 wasn't all that special, but the extra icons on each key would make some entries easier.
That's cool but, honestly, computers are cheaper (it's almost scary how cheap they are compared to the 90s-80s) and they ACTUALLY DO THINGS! Adobe alone shows the scope of capability computers have now. Gaming isn't even a big part of computing anymore. Finance, art, music, film, it's all available cheaply to anyone. That simply wasn't the case back in the day.
@@sunnykim9360 Linux and older copies of Windows are available, depending on the hardware you have. Modern Linux systems with Wine & DOSBox run darn near anything.
The "I'm almost done with the raid" thing isn't too bad, since you pretty much can't pause in any online game ever, but the "get of the phone cause you're embarrassing me" thing? You could just mute the mic.
Commodores were my introduction to computers in the early days, progressing from vic20, 64, amiga and finally A2000. I remember all the great games, such as chaos engine.When Commodores went bust I was forced to go over to PCs and Microsoft 3.1. It was quite a culture shock. Nowhere near as friendly. If Commodores had survived, imagine how far they would have come by now.
Back then, tech support had *actual* Information about the computer. They knew exactly what model it is, the ins-and-outs of the OS, and the correct command lines.
3:26 "try running scandisk and defrag and if that doesn't work you should call us back" i got recommended this again after the tales from tech support video and i got this reference immediately
+Barnacules Nerdgasm The one thing I love about Apple is I never have to talk to "Bob Johnson" anymore. They say we Apple people buy anything. But we don't buy outsourced tech support. For what we have to pay, we better not. The first thing I always said to Dell Support was "First tell me your REAL name" they always did.
I was actually really proud of myself the other day when I took a broken laptop apart, hooked it up, and noticed sparks flying from a tiny (as in 1 mm wide) SMD resistor... I found one that looked like it (can't get a voltmeter reading on a charred resistor) in my pile of scavenged components, used a regular soldering gun, and it actually worked! The laptop motherboard is now fixed! so surprisingly hardware repairs are still possible, you just have to be brave and lucky.
Thanks for another Blast from the Past! I enjoyed my C=64's but I'm now spoiled by WindBLOWZ GUI, 4K billboard sized monitors, Terrabytes of storage... The sad part of growing up is realizing life's compromises!
My grandma threw one c64 in the trash because they were moving out... They threw every donald duck comics that were from 50s (first DD came to finland in 51) as well... Damn i would have wanted those :/
I'm nostalgic about many things, but computers aren't among them. You couldn't do anything with those things, really. Its claim to fame was "being a computer", not doing anything useful. Today's computers are tools, extremely useful ones at that. In the '80s, I used to bust my nuts trying to get 2nd hand books in the antiquity shops, and these days I just download them off the net. I have hundreds of times bigger library thanks to the modern tech, and I also have enormous online databanks at my fingertips. And all my computers turn on instantaneously, too. Oh btw, ever tried loading Manic Miner from tape? Load Error is not your friend. Just say no to old computers.
You think you couldn't do anything with them? We had spreadsheets and word processors in the late 70s. We had 2D CAD software in the early 80s. Publishing computerised starting in 1984, and mass-market computers capable of image manipulation and 3D graphics came out in 85. By 1987 we had people using their home computers to edit video. None of this is even the high end, everything I described is stuff you could do on the PC, Apples, and Commodores. You are astoundingly ignorant.
Cute Boy Horse Yes, you could do those, but now look at what we can do. We do it better, really, once you find all that you can do with computers, you try to make them do what they do better. I don't know about you, I do not want a 1980's computer to render/edit/upload my videos; I want my modern 2014 custom built computer to do it. Also, that is what this video tries to avoid, customization. If you had a computer from those days, the only customization you could do is writing QBASIC code to run simple games and such. Also, I don't like using the "DOSBOX" or Windows 1 on these computers, it just sucked compared now. I know you're going to say obsolete nonsense, but now computers are only getting better. You seem to think that just because older computers had spreadsheet, and word processing softwares make them just as equal as modern computers. That my friend is exorbitantly ignorant.
Cute Boy Horse Look, don't get me started here. My Dad bought a Commodore 64 with a daisywheel printer and a word processor back in the early '80s, so I know exactly what those could do. That thing and a daisywheel typewriter are a slight improvement over the typewriter, mostly because you could correct mistakes, but the memory was so low you couldn't input more than a few pages of text and it could fit what, 40 letters in a line, so you were scrolling all the time. A 8086 PC with 640 KB RAM was a huge improvement. It could fit 80 letters on screen, it wasn't memory-limited for text and the software was much better; we used Word for DOS, and it was a huge improvement over Wordstar and the like, and lightyears ahead of Textomat on the C64. Yeah, I know everybody was talking about how useful the home computers were, but they really weren't. There were a few specific things you could do with them, which used the barest minimum of RAM, and that was it. Compared to today's machines, I see them mostly as technology demonstrators. They showed a promise of what once could be, and that's why we loved them, but if one showed me, in the 1984, the Mac Air I'm typing this on right now, I would've passed out. The stuff we have now is not only better than what we had in the '80, it's mostly better than the stuff they imagined for Star Trek in the '90s.
Danijel Turina Literally everything I described, you could do. I even gave you the dates those things happened. Going "buuuuuhhh!!!" and slack handedly pointing at the cheap C64 you didn't know how to use properly doesn't change a thing, and the extremely obvious superiority of modern machines is irrelevant. Fact is, you said you couldn't do anything, reality is, you could do a hell of a lot. Everyone who spent that time period using them for work is a testament. You're just too pig ignorant to have known.
Cute Boy Horse So basically you had a 320x200 screen in 16 tokenised colours, 40 characters in a line, and some 40K of free RAM, and you say you could do, what exactly? A simple spreadsheet and word processing of a 3-page document? I know that, that's why I say they were mostly useless. You couldn't process even a biggish text document, let alone graphics and music. You could connect to a BBS via 300 baud modem but that was hardly worth the effort. It could probably do maths but a HP calculator would be superior there. Honestly, those computers were only toys, useful only to get one interested in the technology. Only much later did they find real use.
5:40 "Now, be honest, what does your new computer do that your last one couldn't?" Me: Boot Also; * 2 16x PCIe (up from 1) * 64 PCIe lanes (up from 40) * 8 2.5"/3.5" bays (up from 4) * 2 5.25" bays (up from 1) * Integrated fancontroller * Integrated WiFi/Bluetooth * 2x Gigabit network (up from 1) * 8 USB 3.1 gen 1 (up from 4) * 1 USB 3.1 gen 2 type A * 1 USB 3.1 gen 2 type C * U.2 * 12 cores @ 3.5 GHz (up from 4 @ 3.6 GHz) * 24 threads (up from 8) This is from the top of my head.
What I really miss about the "old computer times" (even though I'm just from the 90s) is productive, simple, well written and reliable software. A good example everyone knows would be the "notepad.exe". It remained unchanged for so many years now because it simply works. Another example would be older games or games which had to live with hardware restrictions. I still can't believe that a game like "The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina Of Time" would fit on a 32MB cartridge. If someone would develope a game like this today (with quite common graphics) it would take up several gigabytes! Just because we have "enough" storage and cpu-power, eh? This really sucks! Smartphones are so powerful already but the limitations are unreal and out of bounds!
Actually, notepad.exe was changed somewhat because originally its space was... limited. Until it was "fixed," you were better off with MS-DOS edit or Wordpad or whatever.
Moody Huh. I took "so many years" as "at all" somehow. Oops. But, yeah, I get it. 32 MB is chump-change compared to standard disk space nowadays. It's near impossible to push the limits anymore.
+Moody "What I really miss about the "old computer times" (even though I'm just from the 90s) is productive, simple, well written and reliable software. A good example everyone knows would be the "notepad.exe". It remained unchanged for so many years now because it simply works." Im glad people like you don't take core decisions in tech companies.
I have been a Data Processing Tech, MIS Tech, IT Tech (and many more names) for 38 years this month and grew up in the industry. Even met one of the developers of the original IBM PC in Boca Raton, FL. I saw and worked on so many different systems in my years it is hard to remember them all. Anyone remember CPM? Some were great while others were just bad. Support people were/are the same. I do have to say that for what it showed this video was one of the better ones. It shows when things and people actually did work. AHHhh simpler times. BIG thumbs up.
The Wow factor is truly what I miss today. :-( I still recall the year 1999 when I got my Pentium III MMX with 64MB of RAM and 20GB hard drive. The glow that was in my face and the tears that anticipated my wait for unboxing the computer was surely missing when I got my i7 4790K with a GTX 980 and 32GB of RAM. To me it is just another PC with some minimal upgrade.
The wow factor of getting my Gameboy Colour was through the roof, but when it came to getting my 3DS though wasn’t as much, from the brick DS upgrade. It’s kinda sad thinking about it.
Great vid! Same thing as I am always saying: I use a C64 not because it is old (nostalgia), but because it is fun to use! Another thing that could be mentioned is drivers versus plug and play. The old computers almost never needed drivers, because certain things like how an input device (mouse/joystick/joypad/paddle) works was previously defined by a standard that every device adhered to. It is truly insane that today every USB stick has its own driver, even though all of them do the same thing.
You are so right with the manuals. And it wasn't just the manuals to the computers that were great but also the games. Especially Microprose. I remember my old manual from Sim Life. It had everything you needed to know how to play the game but also, at the back, it had a section on the theory of evolution. With Railroad Tycoon, they had a sections on trains and the history of railroads. Nowadays, even if you don't just download the game but actually get a physical copy, all you get is one sheet of paper while the game holds your hand for the first 20 minutes. Also, games back then were shipped in a finished state. No day one patches...
"Upgrading your computer always came with a sense of anticipation, to open the box and see what it could do. Each generation of computers offered something truly amazing compared to the generation before." "The hardware capabilities remained the same, so a new game designed 12 years later would work exactly the same on the older version." Please give an example on what would be truly amazing.
The C64 was a bit of a singularity with it's longevity. People loved it to bits - and still do. When mine broke in the nineties, I went and bought a new one despite Amigas and PCs being around already.
Watching this all I can think for why this is the case is because, like all goods these days (especially cars), they aren't made to be kept running, they are made to be 'thrown out' or passed on after 3-4 years. Those Commodore computers were made to stand the test of time.
Foolishness. An old PC is still usable, and they last very long (atleast my families PC lasted like 6+ years, and its still kicking). Just reinstall an OS of your choice and its ready.
+hotwire96 You're referring to a different industry. I can assure you my computer would outlive a commodore 64 in hours use before a major hardware fail. The only components that are built to eventually fail are mechanical parts such as Hard Disk Drives.
I'm totally with you on the whole manual thing. Got a new desktop and it was barely a pamphlet, and a manual would be useful if I would like to upgrade this thing later. Guess that's why a lot of books are sold under "The Missing Manual" header.
I don't agree on the less data loss. At least for me floppys and tapes would break MUCH more easily then a computer HDD. And even if a comp breaks you can just swap drives.
Well, floppies can be killed quite easily by hands, and HD floppies are much more fragile than DD ones. But when they're being handled properly, they could live way much longer than the average HDD of today. I've yet to see a single Commodore 64 floppy of mine fail. Tapes just wear out much faster, because tape is much more mechanically stressed than a disk. Also, tape can re-magnetize itself while being in spool without use for a long time. So they actually fail more than floppies, imho.
True. But the point was not the reliability of the HDD in a modern computer. With a modern computer, ANYTHING going wrong might cause a regular consumer (who doesn't know how to remove the hard drive) to loose data. Could be a logic board failure or even just malware.
Invalid reasons. 1. bloatware. Try a os that has little bloatware 2. Click the red x... 3. This is why we invented google, google it -_- 4. Notepad. 5. We have google, or google now or Siri, USE IT this is not the pre-internet era without google 6. As long as it's not Apple or a laptop you can replace your whole PC like your motherboard or CPU or gpu or Your hdd and etc 7. Double click .exe and spam next, TA DA 8. Graphics? Better graphics? Better performance? 720 to 1080p? Upgrading os? More customizations? Mostly everything.... 9. As long as you don't put your email everywhere you shouldn't have a metric tonne 5gbs of spam. 11. Same as today, replace and repair
And here's 10, didn't catch it because I'm on mobile 10: most software supports windows XP and vista and 7 and sometimes 8. From 2001-2014 support for os's
1) well, there's my clean Windows 8, booting in 10 seconds from an SSD... But it's still slower than Commodore. 4) notepad will not compilate programs. You still have CMD, though. 5) how do I use Google when the screen is black? 7) ...and then wait a hour. 8) if your game can't run on old computers *coughconsolescough* nowadays, you're considered a bad gamedev and everybody hates you. More blur doesn't count as better graphics. 1080P isn't a cure for everything, in fact, you don't notice it from 2 meters. As or non-gaming side, can't see much difference between XP and 8 in terms of effectiveness and customisation- in fact, 8 doesn't have some neat things XP offered. 10) XP and Vista are officially unsupported by Microsoft as of now, and new apps may, but not guranteed to work on them. Also, as he was talking about Commodore, a propritetary computer with its own OS, iPad is much closer to it, and they, indeed, are obsolete in 2-3 years. 11) PC? Yes, of course. But, as in 10, take a look at the iPad and, indeed, most of Apple. And at the gaming consoles. And the more expensive laptops. And your fridge. You ain't gonna fix these yourself, because they want your moneys to reside in the service centers, not in your pockets. Simple as that.
Such memories. Bought a C64 in the fall of 1982 and taught myself to program in Basic. Used the TV for the monitor for awhile and them bought an Amdek monitor. Had the real floppies--5.25 inch and of course made a notch on the opposite side so you could use both sides of the floppy. I also had the GOES program from Berkley Software. Made your screen a GUI--heady stuff back in 1983/84. Oh and the 1200 Baud modem that let you connect to QLink and chat. You'd type in a sentence and hit enter and it would take some time to show up. It was really pretty damn expensive too. Later bought a C128 and used it for years.
When the internet is down.
1990: Looks like I can't play multiplayer.
2016: Looks like I can't play any games.
I don't think there was internet in 1990, it's probably more like 2000
Yeah Ok it get it now.
Teaze the internet was made in 1965 look it up
The Internet didn't come around to what we know now until the 90s. In 1990, consumers weren't on the Internet.
Its not that bad, you can still log into Steam in offline mode and have around 90% of your stuff playable.
old computers also weren't packed with software that you would never have a use for
Some distributions of linux come barebone aswell :)
ZACHARY DAVIS that's an understatement. lol
Yes they did. It was the basic programming software.
You can always format your PC, or build your own from components
gamer bob YES! ! ! !
The thing I love about old computer manuals. They didn't say stupid things like don't lick the power outlet.
Shut up I almost licked that
5 rem instructions for trolls
10 lick the power outlet
15 rem trolled ya'
20 goto 10
run
It's because people in my generation need to be reminded not to lick the sockets
Ya, you talking about a generation of kids who eat Tide Pods!
Yeah, but that was only added because idiots licked the power outlet; and then probably successfully sued them for a million bucks because the manual didn't warn them not to do it.
7 years later, this is still relevant.
And more than ever.
ehhh I feel like the "quick reboot" thing has slightly changed now that SSDs have become more mainstream.
8*
But Not Those Shitty Auto Generated By CZcams!
@@Lawg202 SSD's random byte access latency is 40 kHz. Imagine your CPU runs that "fast".
At the technical support part I really expected him to say "have you tried reseting your router?"
+Eazy "Have you tried turning it off and on again" eksdee
+Eazy "Have you tried turning it off and on again" eksdee
Haha...so damn true!!!
+Eazy Sometimes I would pretend I was a total idiot for 5 minutes to tech support. Then I would say, "Now that we both have wasted 5 minutes let's get to the point I was trying to make 5 minutes ago when you asked me if the little red light on the front of the computer was on."
+iAMaReaperGotprobZ thats the cherry on top
In those days, you could never trash a computer because it was WAY MORE EXPENSIVE in those days. When I was growing up in the 80s, only business people or well to do people had a computer... everyone else had Nintendo.
The NES is a computer.
+aarongrooves He knows that, but it wasn't that useful, it really could only play games, most of the systems capabilities were locked off from the consumer.
Ahhh, I gotcha. Thanks
Imagine a Nintendo computer. I would try it.
Yes that is true!
The best thing about old computers was: NO FACEBOOK
No one uses Facebook other than old people so...
Or twitter
@@satan3959 Trump uses twitter.
*worst thing
@@TheCandoRailfan Depends who you are.
I remember copying entire lines of BASIC programs from my C64 manual without knowing what I was doing! :D I still felt like a genius!
That must have been fun!
The new tech support isn't accurate. It's more of
"have you tried turning it back on and off again?"
IT Crowd!
Yes, with good reason, you have no idea how many problems can be solved by a simple reboot. Many people don't realize that.
*****
the joke
your head
UmbreonTheNerevarine It's the truth!
***** "Oh. Yeah... I just realized that was my mother."
If you ask me, Facebook is NOT a positive development.
agree
I second the agreement.
agreed
our ancestors would be very dissapointed in how humanity turned out
Totally agree
6:43 I feel that one....
And it's only gonna get worse
I know!
This is like the best youtube crossover to see a Louis Rossman comment on a 8bitguy video kkkk.
@lol. actually no it's not that surprising
Also, the full schematics in a USER manual! I get how that would basically be impossible today since the circuits are much, much more complex and manuals would have to be way bigger to accommodate the huge schematics, plus to the average user of a PC today that would look like alien writings so I guess there is no point. But it is still way cool that you used to get that for us who actually know how to read those and would want to mess with it.
“There was never an excuse to throw a computer in the trash”
Correction: There *IS* never an excuse to throw a computer in the trash
Always fix and keep old PCs running. You never know when you might need a Minecraft/TeamSpeak server box, or even just a media centre! There's so many reasons to hang onto them. Hell, put one in an arcade cabinet with MAME and you've got a cheap ass arcade machine with EVERY ARCADE GAME!
My mother gave me a computer from her workplace because she knows I'm into computers. I upgraded the CPU from the stock Celeron 420 to a Cor2Duo E7200 and added my old R7 240 Graphics Card and now it serves me as my multimedia machine.
agreed you can always use an old computer for those old games your new computer won't play.
I need to convince mom to give her old computer to me, but she wants it trashed
@@sheilaolfieway1885 Internet Arcade
"You think your Commodore 64 is really neato
what kinda chip you got in there, a Dorito?"
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
You're usin' a 286,
don't make me laugh!
Your Windows boots up
in, what, a day and a half?
bistro4 You could back up your whole hard drive on a floppy diskette
You're the biggest joke on the Internet
+Kevin Walter Illuminati confirmed
+Kevin Walter your database is a disaster, your waxing your modem trying to make it go faster
I was born in the wrong decade, seriously the manual came with programming tutorials!!!!!!?????
***** Indeed. You had a little book within the computer, with BASIC language programming. You could also buy the "PROGRAMMER'S REFERENCE GUIDE" with machine language teaching and all the stuff for deep programming the computer : the wiring, timings of the chips, memory addressing, everything ! Some C64 were sold with the "PROGRAMMER'S REFERNCE GUIDE" inside the box.
***** My first computer was a ZX81. It had a dazzling 1K of memory (16K with the expansion pack) and a manual all about how to program it. I still have it in the loft.
CaptainDangeax That Programmer's Reference Guide was AMAZING, too! My friends and I all bought them, and one of my friends actually wrote a full assembler in BASIC, copying all the functionality of the Commodore 128 version in Commodore 64 mode, then added even more features to it. We also used it to write a VERY rudimentary 1 bit audio digitizer using the tape drive and the noisy audio driver by switching the volume on and off rapidly.
But anyone worth their salt eventually just got a Warp Speed or Action Replay cartridge or similar to improve BASIC and add assembly/disassembly and a hardware interrupt switch for editing memory, and speeding up disc access about 5-10x all in one convenient little cartridge. ;)
***** I'm a psychopath because I don't like people who kill because they think they'll go to a magical place? Yup you're an idiot.
You say you don't like people who kill because they think they'll go to a magical place. Ok. Fair enough. So what kind of killers DO you like? I ask because EVERY group on earth kills. Human social groups harbor murderers, regardless of belief. So since you're selective in your killers, what's your flavor?
"yes I have Microsoft office, who doesn't?" Me, that's who.
i feel you
@@computerexpert5533 well I "have" MS office now. My school gave it to all students free
I have a 2007 enterprise edition of office i still use it now
@@computerexpert5533 nice
*Laughs in open office*
You could beat a man to death with an old atari st, and it would still load the garfield game after.
:D
That was disturbingly specific.
David george Was this the model and game infamously involved in such an incident?
or Aopen pc case trust me those cases are solid
You could bore a man to death with a modern PC, no violence required.
Yeah but today we have a wonderful thing called "designed obsolescence".
Metaru Elite
Google the term.
Metaru Elite
There are several things wrong with what you said. Things are most certainly NOT getting better. In fact, if you knew anything about the economy, you'd know that the goal of our current one is to fail ultimately. It is impossible that our economy will last much longer. Not the end of the world, but it's not going to be pretty. Here are some more things for you to google: Fractional Reserve Banking, Fiat Currency, Economy and an infinite growth model, Inflation, Quantitative Easing. Good luck in your journey to enlightenment.
Metaru Elite
oh ok. Well yeah computers are getting much more powerful much faster these days, BUT think of how much quicker we would see those advancements if the corporations that sold computers weren't trying to milk each generation of computer for every dime they could. We used the same resolution monitors for something like 30 years. That is because our current system is designed for profit not achievement or advancement.
*****
Nope, powerful politicians have these magical buttons that they can hit to make food/medicine/money appear out of thin air, so we should all switch to communism! And anyone who says otherwise is just a liar! Now if you'll excuse me, I dropped my tinfoil hat somewhere around here.
***** Especially with Windows ! Windows XP 64 bit could support GPT file system and 3TB hard drive so why not the 32 bit versions, or Windows 7 even can't boot from GPT, only access it. And NTFS can store 16 EXABYTES but is limited by windows 7 to 3TB and Windows Sever 2003 of 256TB. So since Windows XP or Server 2003 we still wouldn't need to upgrade the OS for GPT ! 16 EXABYTES would be much better or even 256 TB. Why can't it be updated ?!?!? I'm sure it could easily if they could access GPT with XP 64 bit and 256TB Windows Server.
I'm sure Windows 8 or 10 can't access 16 EXABYTES either despite that being the NTFS limit or even 1 tenth or 1 /100 with larger clusters would still be.
Windows 10 just says much larger disk access than 2TB but GPT says the file limit is
For disks with 512-byte sectors, maximum size is 9.4 ZB (9.4 × 1021 bytes) or 8 ZiB (9,444,732,965,739,290,427,392 bytes, coming from 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 (264) sectors × 512 (29) bytes per sector).
How much you want to be that this is severely limited too like NTFS. Windows 10 GPT says this:
Allows a much larger partition size--greater than 2 terabytes (TB), which is the limit for MBR disks.
Notice it doesn't mention disk size , only bigger than 2TB !
And Windows shouldn't need to be 20GB or 30GB in size. If XP could install in 800-900M then Windows 7 shouldn't be much bigger. Instead it is 11 times the size. Not counting the winsxs dir that gets huge quick. Mine it 9GB, making the original install of about 9GB double in size to 18GB, add page file and about 30GB.
And Linux could read GPT in about 2001 but not windows !
Puppy Linux can run in 250M of RAM and run 100% in RAM very fast. It runs great on old Pentium 4 machines from a USB drive so why can't Windows run smaller ? And why are we FORCED to buy new versions that are even more bloated and slow than the last version. I can run Windows 98 on my machine way faster than Windows XP or 7 runs on the same machine, and with less RAM and hard drive space.
It's not just home computers.
Playing a new game on a home console in the past:
1. Insert game
2. Turn on console
3. Play game
estimated time: 5-10 seconds
Playing new games nowadays:
1. Turn on console
2. Insert game
3. Wait for game to install, even though you bought the physical copy and not the digital one
4. Make and eat sandwich while game installs
5. Take nap while game installs
6. Get your phd while game installs
7. Finally play game
estimated time: 1-5 hours, depending on how good your internet is.
Making DLC in the past:
1. Make complete game
2. Create additional content
Making DLC nowadays:
1. Make part of a game and sell it full price
2. Make consumers pay again for content that's already on the disc they already paid full price for
3. Sell rest of the complete game in pieces
4. Maybe make additional content to sell
True...
So damn right. Which is worse, installing a game on steam, or "installing" a game on modern gen consoles?
No flame wars about which console is better please.
It installs off of the disc...
Or you can wait five years for the summer Steam sale and buy the whole game and all the DLCs at 30% of the price for them all.
I don't know if DLC ctands for Downloadable content or Disc Locked Content.
Wow, I didn't know, that uninstalling MS Office can extinguish a fire.
And it is really impossible because the motherboard is fried and your CPU couldn't turn on.
No shit? really?
Well you know now.
But what has trying to show is something simple as that can cause a problem with any computer
NintenDOS So how’s middle school treating you?
The second tech support was soooo accurate...
and i have a hard time understanding them.... i'm sure i'm not alone in that.
still tho you have to admit that I don't think everyone's computer is going to lock up and catch on fire
@@peachdome5349 my nem ees billy, ees deh computer plug een?
@@girlcrazyrockstar did you pour gasoline on your computer before turning it on?
@@Raven10241 gasoline, manure, milk, glue, sawdust, honey, etc.
Stuff like that
Today is not repaired, today buying new...
I repair mine...
i repair mine
+MyChade well... It's not so hard, to buy a new, better part for your pc, and replace it.
The Anonymous ya but tsll that to those who only know how to turn it on and that it
The reason some of these points are true is because businesses want to divide the market. All of the people that would repair computers and make smart decisions are becoming a minority against the "sheeple" that do whatever their favorite company tells them to. If you build your own computer, you can very much fix it. If you're an uninformed consumer buying a prebuilt, chances are you wouldn't know where to start in fixing it. It's not that hard to replace a dead CMOS or remount your CPU, it's just people are never taught this stuff and so don't know it.
What my previous computer couldn't do? turn on.
So true.
MarkusTegelane ikr
how about what my old computer COULD do that my new can't?
lag...
Genatari Kralc yeah. Or overheat like mine did. Or run as loud as a bloody tank.
Krzychu TV
WOW LOOK AT THESE AMAZING *GRAPHICS*
Wow! Look at THESE amazing graphics!
OMG!!!!!!
those graphics are better than what my computer can handle
Me finally buying good computer so I can play more than just Minecraft on low quality 😂
gTa. 6
70’s car manual: adjusting dwell, timing and spark plug gap.
2021 car manual: do not consume contents of battery.
Tech support: Indian accent! Nailed it!
That was kinda racist thb
Shinji Ikari Do you eat curry? Chances are you are offended by that wisdom.
95% of phone tech support is out-sourced to India. It's not racist, it's reality.
Fuckin' SJWs even here.
I have no problem with ACTUAL tech support from India it's the fucking scammers from "microsoft" that piss me off
I'm going to go on all of your points:
*My PC boots up in less than 10 seconds and I have no SSD
*So you basically had to restart your PC to close an application? Doesn't seem to efficient
*Back then you needed paper manuals because you didn't have internet, now you can look up the manuals in the manufacturer's page
*If you teach them right any person can learn how to program easily, it just takes time
*This really depends on the company
*Today is the same, if your mobo breaks, you just replace it and you still have your data on your HDD or SSD
*Nowadays you just double click, click next a couple of times and you're done
*Exactly the same, for example you buy a new GPU or CPU
*I use my email frequently and I haven't got a spam message in over a year
*Right now I'm using Windows XP and there isn't a single thing I could think of I can't do
*Back then computers were so much simpler than now and more expensive, now if something breaks you just replace it
Just wondering what if I call tech support cause my internet isn't working how do I google it
***** I never said anything about Googling anything, I just said that the support depends on the company
***** You get on your cell phone and google the problem
I'll go over your points...
1. His boot in less than 10 seconds. It was running of less than a gig of space...
2. You have to close the program, wait for the script to stop, and wait for it to reload the desktop. His just had to reboot.
3. Back then, people had manuals. Now, people have to get to the online ones how? What if I don't have a phone. "Hi, can I borrow your computer. I need to look a at a manual for mine."
4. They didn't need to be taught. He just said that.
5. Name one company that has actually been helpful. Because Microsoft told me to switch my PC off and on again... Thanks Microsoft, as if I didn't try that...
6. I agree. That's true.
7. Yeah, but that doesn't take 5 seconds... Plus, sometimes you have all that stupid, "Do you want to download our viruses and useless crap."
8. Again. I agree.
9. Lots of people do though. But I see your point... Stop signing up for those websites people... It's a trap.
10. I have XP on my laptop... I need to upgrade it at some point...
11. WOOH! Collosus Master race! (I couldn't think of anything to say to that.)
haybaleable I don't have time to reply to everything right now but if you don't have a cell phone in this fast pace modern world I don't know how you're communicating with people in other states and etc if you have a business.
3:03 The solution is to NOT send 2 volts to the CPU during overclocking.
"all your data would be still safe on your diskettes or cassete tapes"
Well,not exactly...
Well, it would be safe for up to 100 years and if you don't expose floppies and cassettes to strong magnetic fields.
this might work if you put them into an lead enclosure with some additional mu metall covering the box and then putting this box in a temperature regulated room. But natural magnetic field, radiation, temp changes will alter your data or to be more precise the magnetic compounds of the storage device. My father keept some old movies on casettes over 20 years in a box untouched not near some electrical device or near electrical wires. It was not stored in the basement. Only in his office - so only modest temperature changes. The most of them have a severe quality issues and some of them are even not usable anymore.
I had a great laugh on that BS.
I have a 35 year old tape and it sounds fine. No problems with it at all.
Record: pretty much stable... Cassette: deteriorates with every use, screwed if tape gets jammed.
CD / DVD / Blu-Ray: Gets all scratched up... Playstation black CD: Almost Scratch proof.
MiniDisc: Much more durable, but suffers from TOC read error, data can be lost. Disk: mostly stable.
USB Stick: The clear winner... External Hard Drive: Weak to Magnets, can fail after many uses.
*Old computers*: "Here's a tool to unlock your imagination."
*New computers*: "Our imagination is your imagination. Agree to our terms."
unfortunately they are FULL of imagination, only they use it entirely to f*** us in the butt
Or here's box or eye-candy for the brain-deads!! xD
Old Computers "It will make your life easier"
New computers "It will make your life easier...as long as you install a bunch of BLOATWARE first"
What? No.
O think because of the internet, less annoying hardware limits and constantly expanding list of useful apps. Modern omputers actually unlock imagination a lot more. Especially for non-so-tech people.
@@juliuszkocinski7478 Nah.
Is this satirical? Seems like it, but it's marked as educational. Most of these have good reasons to be different in 2013 or just aren't true.
1. C64 booted up immediately, but it took ages to load programs. A modern PC does that in 5 seconds maximum.
2. If you want info about programming, you have that thing called the Internet with much more information and answers to any possible questions.
3. If your C64 started smoking and got black screen, Tech Support from 1990 wouldn't be more helpful than Tech Support nowadays.
4. You could also use an external HDD. It might be slow to transfer information, but are diskettes fast?
5. That didn't install software, it just ran it. Modern programs also have portable versions which you can run without installation.
6. I dunno. How about new games/programs that your previous PC couldn't handle? Isn't that the same as the C64 vs Amiga for example? Also you showed a 19 year video game timeline. How were video games 19 years ago? Graphics have changed a lot, just like 1971 vs 1990.
7. If you don't share your e-mail everywhere around the Internet and don't make accounts using it, you wouldn't get spam. Since you didn't have these options in 1990, it's no wonder nobody got spammed.
8. The C64 vs iPad? Why comparing a shitty Apple product against a computer? My PC can run 2001 games, just like my 2001 PC can run some modern games.
9. OK, that's something modern PCs don't have.
8 points for modern PCs, 1 point for C64.
hristaki99 if I power on my PC (i5. SSD, 16GB ram..). it haven't even passed POST in 5 seconds. my Amiga has already booted its graphical GUI..2. to setup a programming environment requires a lot of work. on the C64. you WAS at an Basic editor already.
3. with that old machines, any radioshop (you know. by then they repaired stuff aswell) could repair the machine.
(by actually reparing. not replacing boards)
ah.. I love my Amiga and the oldschool machines. PCs are just booring machines with no soul.
But old computers are still awesome, always been and always will. End of discussion.
Patrick Faulkner Patrick is right, arent you Patrick. /watch?v=Malf2PFXLG0
hristaki99 Woooow congrats for displaying your uber genius you debunked it
1. well my Amiga is by far more then a few lines of text. it is a graphical GUI, preempetive multitasking. way before windows had it.. well PC are more modern today. YES. but still my Amiga boots WAY faster.
2. batch is no programming, that is simple scripting. .bat files are HORRIBLE. .ps1 is more ok, still quite horrible.
3. no modern machines you cannor repair, you exchange boards MAYBE you change the caps but you do not repair more, tracerepairs changing ICs etc. the drawback with modern tecnology. it is simply too damn expensive to do real repairs. bad for the environment :-(
IT has really changed from electronics knowledge needed to understand a computer and fix the logic board to just knowing the larger component groups like a graphics card or power supply and knowing that its bad and how to replace it. It would be nicer to see IT professionals know electronics and actually fix things again
4:22 I love how boxed up his commodore, wrapped it, and then had his daughter open it while wearing retro clothing. I can imagine in his head "Man I'm gonna Spielberg the shit out of this...wait this is a period piece she needs to wear clothes that fit this montage." I freaking love how overdone this part is.
Good luck getting schematics from a company nowadays
that's actually the only point that really nobody can answer to... I personally love being able to open up a computer and knowing what does what and where it goes... even down to possibly repairing it myself... but companies don't want people to be able to repair their own computers, they want them to spend lots of money and time buying new hardware and moving everything to a new computer every time something breaks... they keep us ignorant, and in the dark, so we can't make things last like they did before =(
+Takeru Minamoto Of course you can repair your own computer...
+Simon good luck figuring out were all those traces on a 1400 pin flip chip go, or getting replacements for said chips, if anything important shits out the device is ruined, not as much of an issue in the desktop world, but anything mobile its impossible
Matt Brewer Mobile? Is this focused on mobile? NO. Is replacing chips easy on Desktop? YES. Even on Laptops
+Simon there wasnt a mobile to speak of back then, and i would love to see you get your hands on, as a consumer, one of intels sandy bridge mobile processors, or one of nvidia's flip chips, or find a schematic so you can diagnose what the hell went wrong when your power management ic decides it doesnt much care for the vrms any more and roasts them
Old computers really were better. Even though they might not have the hardware capabilities of today's computers, but they're sure built to last. I still have a computer from 1995 with the original parts in it and it still works. When I see Pentium 4 computers being junked, I actually die just a bit on the inside. Not that I have an emotional attachment but I just see perfectly good stuff being junked for new inferior stuff that's designed to break and wear out quickly. And now stuff is being designed like the iPad where you must upgrade the entire device otherwise you can't install the later software. Can someone please say ripoff? Let's face it, we've become a disposable society and it's really sad that we're taught that we must buy the newest equipment all the time otherwise be left behind. It never used to be that way, no reason it has to be now.
that's how you become a pc collector just keep with the new and don't throw any old stuff away and then when your bored you can go back to pentuim 3
Michael Flatman
I do have a relatively new PC running an older version of Windows just because I choose to, but I agree with your sentiment. Sometimes the older stuff can be a great backup when the new computers fail. It seems bad capacitors and other cheapened hardware while better performing, just doesn't last as long as it used to. I had a Dell Optiplex GX270 that suffered the bad capacitors of death that brought the entire thing past it's knees and to it's demise, yet I have an older HP Vectra VLi8 that was used in a school since it was brand new and then I took it because they were going to send the older machines to goodwill. I'm still using it as a second machine. It's not a speed demon but it's a rock solid workstation. It had a PIII 500MHz processor in it that I did upgrade to 850MHz. I wanted 1GHz but I cannot find the cartridge PIII on eBay that would work with it and one time that I did, it was well not worth the huge $100 sticker price on it.
> When I see Pentium 4 computers being junked, I actually die just a bit on the inside.
I died just a bit inside when Pentium 4 appeared...
There is a reason that P4 systems are being junked these days: the Pentium 4's were overpriced space heaters that were outperformed by both the AMD Athlon series and the later PIII's.
Viper Jay 5 the only reason tablets can't be modified, is because every part is fitted exactly into the right spot, so it can be small and user friendly. it is possible to build a Tablet running iOS or Android when you have the parts, but assembling it is a bitch. because it is small!!!
6:12
Re-packaging a negative, as a positive, 101:
Negative: Hardware not improving, over 12 years
Positive: Software Longevity
Whoa whoa! Hold up.
The C64 actually had a diagram schematic with it?
I wonder what happened to the one that should have come with the computer that my brother and I got back in 1985?
I still close applications like this. Sometimes even before I fin
+KoepenickDrums If I wanna shutdown I just press the power button and leave my office.
Yep.
+KoepenickDrums Alt + F4. I especially love how Linux will let you Alt-f4 ANYTHING
+KoepenickDrums Hey, that's not how the comment box works. :P
Fuck I do the sa
The tech support one is so true!
Hi&ByeGaming I agree
Hi&ByeGaming i also agree. now we have lots of scam tech support >:(
Gamer LockHead AH! THOSE there funny tho
Wholeheartedly agree. It just seems that tech support nowadays is just nothing more than just talking to a wall through a phone. I mean, come on...if a company REALLY cared about the end-user, and the product you're using from said company, well...yeah.
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Please don't talk about 'male enlargement products' while slicing meat with a sharp knife. Thank you.
Do you know this video is years old........?
Fortunately it wasn't sausage that was cut :D
What ???
After, I saw the video,
Then, "I got it".
We will still talk about it
????? le ???? Indeed.. For some odd reason
Thank you my friend, I'm from that good old generation who started programming on Basic on my favorite Atari 800XL at the age of 7, your channel is bringing me back all those good memories. Thanks again!
He doesn't mention the productivity benefits of a single tasking OS here though!
Ahhhh I miss my old C64.
Scott Swain me too
***** I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, but there was a certain benefit to "owning the machine," when all it did while a prompt was being displayed was run no-ops until the operator commanded it to load and execute a program. Of course, memory management and housekeeping was strictly up to the programmer, unless you were writing in BASIC, and even then we would often "poke" machine language into upper memory, allowing us to crash the system in creative ways ;-)
I own one before, but it broke down so I toss it out and gotten the emulator and roms for the commodore 64,
Mark Bunds I was absolutely not being sarcastic.
Remember when you did what you turned your computer on to do, instead of surfing pictures of kittens for hours? I do. :)
Ah, yes. Back when if you could use a computer, you already knew what you were doing.
it was better that way lol now too many people dont know what there doing
they're*
Likely easier to troubleshoot in case of random system file corruptions, driver conflicts too. Nowadays I get almost zero feedback if something is working incorrectly.
The thing is: I don't program for Windows. I'm just a normal user, and my previous experience with Windows XP and then 7 paid off. Windows is relatively easy to understand.
Back then, if you didn't know what u doing the manual would give you everything to learn
4:48 I think you meant to say "Wow! Look at... graphics!"
3:03 "Please restart your modem sir"
I'm sorry, but I grew up with this and I don't miss it much as I can emulate all of that if I feel nostalgic.
I think most of this video was mocking the old days...not really advocating it was truly better back then. I never liked the older games...cept maybe pong.
G Henrickson True
There's nothing in this video mocking the old days. And regarding pong... First, I suspect you didn't spend much time playing old games, and second, let me tell you, every time I sit a bunch of teenagers in front of an Atari VCS playing 4-player Pong Sports, or maybe Warlords, the first thing I get is complaints that they can't figure out a paddle (seriously, this happens CONSTANTLY), and the second thing I get is the satisfaction of watching them spend at least a half hour on it, and generally the reason they stop playing is because there are over a hundred other games to check out.
And you know what the best part about it is? You put the cartridge in, you turn it on, and YOU START PLAYING.
I rub it in kids' faces all the time when I'm playing with them, that four people sitting around for 15 minutes waiting for your game to download updates is something we never put up with - those carts still work 40+ years later and they're still fun.
guys the best part of the video was when the girl opened the box,Now for you young kiddies who don't remember the fucking awesomeness of getting a C64 for Xmas, this is how it went, a few months prior to you getting it, Your freinds had it, you begged your parents for it,
everytime you were in the shops you would walk up to one and be like, Mum this is the computer that i was talking about, this is it, this is the one, LOL
she would act like she didn't give a shit,
anyway, months and months of begging for it, and pleading,
and then one magical xmas, you open it, and it's luke FUUUUUCCKKKKK YEEEAAAAHHHH, No way, it's a C64
so, you went to Big W and bought a pack of Double Side, Double Density Verbatim Floppy disks and a disk box, and went to your freinds house to copy their games., then you told them you had one and it all went from there, it was awesome, best feeling in the world,
oh and you told your mum you were going to use it for School, LMFAO
we all know how that went down,
but, we did crack open the manual and learn BASIC Programming.
how cool was that.
I remember for one xmax, I got money from my parents, my grandma's and papa's and bought a 1541 floppy drive. What a quantum leap after the tape, even with turbotape. Some years after, same situation, I bought an Amiga500 and my happiness was as strong as the girl in the video.
CaptainDangeax LOL, hell yeah the old 1541
and thanks for jogging my memory, i almost forgot about the TurboTape
yeah when 1541 came in it was all
,8,1 i remember that LOL
and we were like, wooaah , check out how fast it load, it's like only 15 maybe 20 mins LOL
and yeah, then Amigo 500 Rocked and Left C64 for dead, i think C64 still had more games though, i didnt' have an Amiga, i had to go to my freinds how to play it, he didn't seem to have as many games, he only had about 20 or so
i had in excess of 400 Games on C64
Remember that feeling of having so many fucking games and one day realising how many games you had in your Floppy Box
and then running your fingers over all your disks at once from back to front and the smell of all that plastic LOL
Remember the Labels
there was only room to write down 2 names, even though you had about 12 games on the disk, so you had to remember where each game was, based on what was on the label
oh, and Remember Strip Poker LOL
the graphics LOL Fucking Funny Memories
and you were like "Hey dude, is my mum coming"
I guess this was what the RESET Switch on the side of the C64 was designed for
INSTANT OFF LOL
thanks for the memory dude.
Well, i am born in 1996, when i got my first PC, i was just as happy :3
i remember that. i got batshit mad one day before my birthday, and when i got it i apologized.
And my kids are still the sam. I WANT THAT HEADPHONE AND THAT DRESS AND THAT THING
said no and made them angry. and their birthday ended the same as mine.
happy.
my brother and i were stoked when we unboxed our Amstrad The PC 1512 DD and we got tapper, digger and Alleycat with it, later on we got Mother goose from a cousin who had one of the same units but it had a HDD in it, anyone remember having to "Park the heads" before turning it off!
This video actually got me into retro computing, and I still love it to this day! Thanks, David!
Perfect video. No ads, no bullshit, no "before we start, leave a like and subscribe." I loved it.
Tech support in the 80s? Basically, you bought the computer and.. that was it. When the thing didn't work, you figured out by yourself how to fix it. If you couldn't figure out, that was it, get another software. Things didn't improve much in the 90s, you combined all the knowledge you had from spectrums, c64s and Ataris, looked how other software of the same type if they had instructions and used trial and error for hours or days. Installing a sound card? You physically configured them by jumpers, actually changing the how the current went thru the board so IRQs didn't conflict, DMAs, installed drivers manually etc. Again, mostly trial and error and you could actually fry the board if you put jumpers wrong.. Now you plug it in, turn the power on and OS takes care of everything.
You know why us 40 something are pretty good with computers* and are not afraid to just try? I just told you.. The kind of tech support referred in this video was way out of budget for 90% of the home users, mostly, there was no tech support at all in your country. You read magazines and learned from there (also, magazines actually had code printed on the pages so you had to type them manually... after three or more days, it didn't work.. because in the next issue typos were corrected..) Now, i can download a software and go thru online tutorials and courses, learn to use in a day.. When something breaks: type the problem in google and problem is (usually) solved in minutes.
* those of us that were interested enough about the subject in the 80s...Those who weren't, are just awful... Yeah, nerds won :)
But what if your computer is smoking and doesn't work? What would you do?
***** That would never happen, a pc cant ppsychically make fire.
Edric || Rich and Powerful! Tell that to Dell. They had to recall laptops after the batteries started venting cells and catching fire.
LOL, I had a Commodore 64 back in the day and it went faulty. I took it back to Dixons (the UK) and it took 6 months for them to repair it and send it back to me. It came back still not working. My dad went to the store and shouted at them, and they swapped it out for a brand new unit. These days, you call and someone is here that same day fixing your computer. But most folks these days can open up a PC and make upgrades themselves.
***** Replace the power supply.
floppy disks were NOT safe data storage!
I'll take cloud storage over that shit any day.
+Corinn Heathers floppy diskettes only got a bad wrap because manufacturers starting making them and their hardware very poorly, so we'd migrate away from them.. You'd be astounded how much more reliable the older floppies were than the garbage they were selling around 2002.
+Corinn Heathers "cloud" storage is literally you paying to store your stuff on another computer. some people even believe that if the planet dissapeared, the cloud would remain. -_-
+РØŁ¥Μ€ŦŘΞĆ Yes, a computer far away from mine. Say a meteor hits my city. Well, my data is still fine.
+Corinn Heathers Except that now some big corporation has control over your files and can share, and/or sell your information, files, etc. to anyone in the world with a click of a mouse. I don't see how cloud storage is very safe or secure. Not to mention big government looking at every bit of data you got stored over there at cloud 9 LOL.
William Todd As if they couldn't do it to an HDD inside your PC...
I do miss the full manual that comes with games on floppy disk. There were even graphics you could look at while reading, bit like a comic book. And I never called tech support because things just worked. Nowadays it's wait for an upgrade after you purchase...
On a Windows Computer with Windows 10 Version 1809 Build 17763.55 there is a preinstalled app entitled "Tips" with a light bulb icon. It can answer many questions. One can also download a User Manual from windows10-guide.com/
If that doesn't help you either try: www.barnesandnoble.com/w/windows-10-for-dummies-andy-rathbone/1120900282#/
I totally agree with you! "Back then" every computer had its magic inside that caused this "wow" effect each time. And each computer was slightly different from the other one (at least here in Poland) as every computer has been home made from whatever part we could find on the market :) I really miss those times...
The tech support skit was so on point
it's because they don't want to admit that their firmware failed
I'm guessing the motherboard failed unless he hasn't checked the ram
ElevatorMan5482 ElevExperiencing Productions it was a little racist though.
MarioFan 835
The Irony is something at CS people dont wanna to lissen, ok its not a PC problem but it is a CS problem.
One time I needed to replace something on my Wii U gamepad but in my country there is no official Nintendo CS but anyway the UK official Nintendo site have a live chat where I can talk to someone from Nintendo, its not the first time I ordered something from UK I just need to ask them to they sell it as spare part and thats it.
Well I contact them and explain them, made them clear to ask only do they have that item as a spare part he answered with "please contact the costumer serivice in your country".
I tried to explain it to him everyway I could but he was just like a broken record.
I at the end just gave up and looked online for some stores that service gaming console, and the guy at the store that I contacted was unlike the Nintendo guy really helpful
xD what wasn't ?
"What can your new PC do that your old one didn't do?"
Well... it's alot faster, performs better under load, handles more titles, and is super silent.
"Old things did it faster"
Things booting faster is only really because of the small files with nearly no GUI or things to load. Just simple text that a calculator could even do.
"Spam and whatever"
People still received spam through legit mail, nothing's really changed when it comes to spam and chain mail.
Old ones are cool and stuff, but the new ones are better in every way to be honest.
How is "super silent" a good thing, are you joking or pretending to be stupid? Also old computers were waaaaaaaaaaay more beautiful than today's ones.
Silence is a good thing when it comes to computers, rather you have a water cooled or fan cooled system... How is THAT being stupid??? Also, have some seen some of the computers that come out of the community, way better looking.
+VideoTape Are you just basing this off of the cases on HPs and Dells? And yes silence (or close to) is a plus.
Calssified Information Nah I'm basing this off of everything I've seen nowadays.
But HPs and Dells for example. Those used to look really good. I'm not too familiar with the old HP stuff but I really like the look of the old HP Vectra systems. From the 486s to the PIIs. This was their period where it looks like they were inspired by Olivetti as I like to say hahaha because of the many similarities between the two... Olivetti by the way if you didn't know is/was a computer manufacturer who made some of the best-looking computers of all time back in the days.
Now I have to admit I think the Dells were always a bit boring in design even back then but they did have some really good-looking stuff. For example, Dell System 310, which is a computer that both looks boring but really cool at the same time... I also really like the more high-end Dell systems of the early 90's. You know, the ones that had *freaking LCD screens* on the front? What a genius idea! An LCD screen on the front. You don't see that nowadays. Olivetti also put LCD screens on their computers back then but it was only on their tower computers which is/was? more common. Oh and even though this is really recent I love to look of the Dell Optiplex GX1s...
How is silence a good thing, can someone even tell me? In my opinion the noisier something is the cooler it is. And also I like to be able to hear what my computer is doing thank you very much.
+VideoTape You should really check out computer case manufactuers like nzxt, antec, fractal, corsair, etc. The quiter the computer the better, you don't necissarily have to have a louder system for a cooler one. Water cooled systems for example are quiter and cooler.
Every so often I come back to this video to reminisce and remind myself how simple things were back then.
This video was what got me into retro tech, and I thank you so much for that!
I love physical media. It's the collector in me. I wish movies and games came on a modern diskette.
Cool.
agreed
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I love Floppy diskettes, if they had made a modern form of media that looked the same that'd be sweet. My absolute favorite old media form though? HuCards.
Cartridges and cards are cool but they sadly do no make any noise when read and written...
I've always wanted a Commodore 64. :(
+Jorge Andrés You can get one off of ebay for $50-$100. But they sometimes run up to $200 so keep an eye out for deals.
+Sulfen I got my commodore 128 at a yard sale for $5 with a ton of bonus shit included.
+Petulant Wigglesabit Those are the only reasons to get one. I would love to get the old classics.
+Jorge Andrés Commodore 64 is so common they don't really have much value. You can get them for cheap and probably can for years to come. Amigas are a little bit more expensive but more fun for gaming imo.
+Jorge Andrés I always wanted a Commodore 128. But.... my family never had a lot of money.. instead we got Colecovision .. Still have a bunch of old carts today.
5:02 you can’t beat having an Apple aluminium keyboard in the 80’s 😂
Seeing how quick that chip could be replaced reminds me of when I needed to get my c64c fixed as the sid chip decided to kick the bucket, took nearly a week to have it repaired!
a real manual- with a SPINE and everything!!!
those map-fold-ouyt manuals- they dont even call them manuals anymore, they are "quick start guides"
In all fairness, nowadays better companies do have downloadable pdf files, I'm especially fond of the WiFi router manuals. ;) Anyone remember the Hayes modem manuals with hundred pages of AT+ commands? Those were the true pioneering days of the "information superhighway" at 300/1200/9600/56k baud! :D
I get why open source programs don't have printed manuals, which is understandable, but there is no excuse for proprietary software/hardware not to have them. Today's printed "manuals" are more like brochures/pamphlets
While doing phone support, I worked on the original Boca modems and those AT commands were critical. I actually got to the point of memorizing many of them and could diagnose a modem just by sound. NO my name isn't BOB JONES...LOL
Well, at least the manuals for motherboards are still pretty detailed and helpful. Buying premade computers isn't the way to get a great PC anyway for someone who wants to be in control of their PC and have proper upgradability.
IMO, the old Commodore 64 keyboards were, by far, the coolest keyboards EVER.
So generic keyboard designs are cool now?
No Dewhurst buttons=not generic!
Kraven: I was talking about the styling of the board, not the actual keys.
James Vaught
Even the board looks generic to me, it's bascially a laptop but without the battery
Nope, they were terrible.
Having Cherry Keyswitches on your keyboard is the for performance, but the Commodore 64 wasn't all that special, but the extra icons on each key would make some entries easier.
That's cool but, honestly, computers are cheaper (it's almost scary how cheap they are compared to the 90s-80s) and they ACTUALLY DO THINGS! Adobe alone shows the scope of capability computers have now. Gaming isn't even a big part of computing anymore. Finance, art, music, film, it's all available cheaply to anyone. That simply wasn't the case back in the day.
@@sunnykim9360 Linux and older copies of Windows are available, depending on the hardware you have. Modern Linux systems with Wine & DOSBox run darn near anything.
Please insert disk 15 of 50 and press to continue...
"MOM! Get off the phone!" or "No MOM I am almost done with the raid!", now that's one thing I don't miss.
erik parawell Yeah. I am an avid PC hobbyist, but I always treat my parents with respect. Most kids just get what they want.
Of course I never would/could say say that to my mom, but you get the point.
erik parawell Yeah. I was agreeing with you
Lol my bad.
The "I'm almost done with the raid" thing isn't too bad, since you pretty much can't pause in any online game ever, but the "get of the phone cause you're embarrassing me" thing? You could just mute the mic.
i miss that time 😞 it was much better then today. all. Music, tv, Teenagers... all
Teenagers???
Juvenoia
komm schon was ist denn so schlimm an jugendlichen?
This comment = nostalgia in a nutshell
Teens these days.... all they do is wave their phone around to this app called "musical.ly" and "vine" etc.
Commodores were my introduction to computers in the early days, progressing from vic20, 64, amiga and finally A2000. I remember all the great games, such as chaos engine.When Commodores went bust I was forced to go over to PCs and Microsoft 3.1. It was quite a culture shock. Nowhere near as friendly. If Commodores had survived, imagine how far they would have come by now.
Back then, tech support had *actual* Information about the computer. They knew exactly what model it is, the ins-and-outs of the OS, and the correct command lines.
This was the first 8-Bit Guy video I watched.
DarkCart same!
3rd vid i watched from 8-bit guy :p
DarkCart same
DarkCart same
Me too!
I got anxiety when the last piece of Spam fell because it didn’t have enough balance to be cut.
Haha. Yeah, that made me cringe, too.
I had mini heart attack, when he was so close to cutting his finger.
Mantas Jurksa But that would be funny.
well,just ...LOoooooooL
But can the old computer play a video of why it's better?
Sure, just make a demo like this
czcams.com/video/lk2pOfkWZn4/video.html
Anything is possible.
If u need video, just turn on video player ! Profit.
@@scottbreon9448 "This video is no longer available because the CZcams account associated with this video has been terminated"
Ah Dollar
OK, this...
czcams.com/video/HsXB7F0lQwY/video.html
3:26 "try running scandisk and defrag and if that doesn't work you should call us back"
i got recommended this again after the tales from tech support video and i got this reference immediately
I've talked to Bob Johnson a lot in my day... :D
+Barnacules Nerdgasm Didn't expect to see you here! :D
+Barnacules Nerdgasm ayy whats up
+Barnacules Nerdgasm The one thing I love about Apple is I never have to talk to "Bob Johnson" anymore. They say we Apple people buy anything. But we don't buy outsourced tech support. For what we have to pay, we better not.
The first thing I always said to Dell Support was "First tell me your REAL name" they always did.
+Barnacules Nerdgasm IBook guy is making it to the big time isnt he
+Barnacules Nerdgasm Hey man!
I was actually really proud of myself the other day when I took a broken laptop apart, hooked it up, and noticed sparks flying from a tiny (as in 1 mm wide) SMD resistor... I found one that looked like it (can't get a voltmeter reading on a charred resistor) in my pile of scavenged components, used a regular soldering gun, and it actually worked! The laptop motherboard is now fixed! so surprisingly hardware repairs are still possible, you just have to be brave and lucky.
This takes me back to the early '90s and my Atari ST. Good times!
Thanks for another Blast from the Past!
I enjoyed my C=64's but I'm now spoiled by WindBLOWZ GUI, 4K billboard sized monitors, Terrabytes of storage...
The sad part of growing up is realizing life's compromises!
He literally is not only a tech savvy but a professing figure in his art.
This video is enlightening
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
What do you mean, Where is the power switch? Is it on the back of my PC? Do i just unplug it then plug it back in? I really need help here!
***** What the hell are you even talking about?
No, not on your shirt. Excuse me are you from the past?
machaineà Is it on my house? It's at the front door!
ABlankNam3Kid OK obviously you didn't get the reference to "the IT crowd" :)
Oh the memories, come flooding back lol.... great video!!! 👌👌👌👌.....👍👍👍👍
My grandma threw one c64 in the trash because they were moving out...
They threw every donald duck comics that were from 50s (first DD came to finland in 51) as well...
Damn i would have wanted those :/
why. the. fuck. would. someone. throw. out. a. commodore. 64?
@@gothfennec "ill get rid of this old thing"
it was likely the 90s or something where c64s weren't as collectible as nowadays
@@NunoLava still tho... its some people's childhood... my dad did the same shit too
Sacriledge!
I'm nostalgic about many things, but computers aren't among them. You couldn't do anything with those things, really. Its claim to fame was "being a computer", not doing anything useful. Today's computers are tools, extremely useful ones at that. In the '80s, I used to bust my nuts trying to get 2nd hand books in the antiquity shops, and these days I just download them off the net. I have hundreds of times bigger library thanks to the modern tech, and I also have enormous online databanks at my fingertips. And all my computers turn on instantaneously, too. Oh btw, ever tried loading Manic Miner from tape? Load Error is not your friend. Just say no to old computers.
You think you couldn't do anything with them?
We had spreadsheets and word processors in the late 70s. We had 2D CAD software in the early 80s. Publishing computerised starting in 1984, and mass-market computers capable of image manipulation and 3D graphics came out in 85. By 1987 we had people using their home computers to edit video.
None of this is even the high end, everything I described is stuff you could do on the PC, Apples, and Commodores. You are astoundingly ignorant.
Cute Boy Horse Yes, you could do those, but now look at what we can do. We do it better, really, once you find all that you can do with computers, you try to make them do what they do better. I don't know about you, I do not want a 1980's computer to render/edit/upload my videos; I want my modern 2014 custom built computer to do it. Also, that is what this video tries to avoid, customization. If you had a computer from those days, the only customization you could do is writing QBASIC code to run simple games and such. Also, I don't like using the "DOSBOX" or Windows 1 on these computers, it just sucked compared now.
I know you're going to say obsolete nonsense, but now computers are only getting better. You seem to think that just because older computers had spreadsheet, and word processing softwares make them just as equal as modern computers. That my friend is exorbitantly ignorant.
Cute Boy Horse Look, don't get me started here. My Dad bought a Commodore 64 with a daisywheel printer and a word processor back in the early '80s, so I know exactly what those could do. That thing and a daisywheel typewriter are a slight improvement over the typewriter, mostly because you could correct mistakes, but the memory was so low you couldn't input more than a few pages of text and it could fit what, 40 letters in a line, so you were scrolling all the time. A 8086 PC with 640 KB RAM was a huge improvement. It could fit 80 letters on screen, it wasn't memory-limited for text and the software was much better; we used Word for DOS, and it was a huge improvement over Wordstar and the like, and lightyears ahead of Textomat on the C64. Yeah, I know everybody was talking about how useful the home computers were, but they really weren't. There were a few specific things you could do with them, which used the barest minimum of RAM, and that was it. Compared to today's machines, I see them mostly as technology demonstrators. They showed a promise of what once could be, and that's why we loved them, but if one showed me, in the 1984, the Mac Air I'm typing this on right now, I would've passed out. The stuff we have now is not only better than what we had in the '80, it's mostly better than the stuff they imagined for Star Trek in the '90s.
Danijel Turina Literally everything I described, you could do. I even gave you the dates those things happened.
Going "buuuuuhhh!!!" and slack handedly pointing at the cheap C64 you didn't know how to use properly doesn't change a thing, and the extremely obvious superiority of modern machines is irrelevant.
Fact is, you said you couldn't do anything, reality is, you could do a hell of a lot. Everyone who spent that time period using them for work is a testament. You're just too pig ignorant to have known.
Cute Boy Horse So basically you had a 320x200 screen in 16 tokenised colours, 40 characters in a line, and some 40K of free RAM, and you say you could do, what exactly? A simple spreadsheet and word processing of a 3-page document? I know that, that's why I say they were mostly useless. You couldn't process even a biggish text document, let alone graphics and music. You could connect to a BBS via 300 baud modem but that was hardly worth the effort. It could probably do maths but a HP calculator would be superior there. Honestly, those computers were only toys, useful only to get one interested in the technology. Only much later did they find real use.
I can't play this video
Better uninstall this old floppy disk
Better uninstall windows...
+NdM Gaming better uninstall my life
+TheMamaluigi300 better uninstall reality
+NdM Gaming replace windows with mac
+RadioTM :3 better break the existance computer for sucking
10 years later and it's still relevant.
5:40 "Now, be honest, what does your new computer do that your last one couldn't?"
Me: Boot
Also;
* 2 16x PCIe (up from 1)
* 64 PCIe lanes (up from 40)
* 8 2.5"/3.5" bays (up from 4)
* 2 5.25" bays (up from 1)
* Integrated fancontroller
* Integrated WiFi/Bluetooth
* 2x Gigabit network (up from 1)
* 8 USB 3.1 gen 1 (up from 4)
* 1 USB 3.1 gen 2 type A
* 1 USB 3.1 gen 2 type C
* U.2
* 12 cores @ 3.5 GHz (up from 4 @ 3.6 GHz)
* 24 threads (up from 8)
This is from the top of my head.
I'm guessing you have. Ryzen 3900X and a ASRock b450
@@millyyeasmin7904 His comment was from 2 years ago, so that would be impossible.
What I really miss about the "old computer times" (even though I'm just from the 90s) is productive, simple, well written and reliable software. A good example everyone knows would be the "notepad.exe". It remained unchanged for so many years now because it simply works.
Another example would be older games or games which had to live with hardware restrictions. I still can't believe that a game like "The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina Of Time" would fit on a 32MB cartridge. If someone would develope a game like this today (with quite common graphics) it would take up several gigabytes! Just because we have "enough" storage and cpu-power, eh? This really sucks! Smartphones are so powerful already but the limitations are unreal and out of bounds!
Actually, notepad.exe was changed somewhat because originally its space was... limited. Until it was "fixed," you were better off with MS-DOS edit or Wordpad or whatever.
Chaos89P I know there was a small change. Thats why I wrote "so many years". :P But I think you get my point.
Moody Huh. I took "so many years" as "at all" somehow. Oops. But, yeah, I get it. 32 MB is chump-change compared to standard disk space nowadays. It's near impossible to push the limits anymore.
Yes, it seems like because they had limits they had to be careful with their space and memory restrictions.
+Moody "What I really miss about the "old computer times" (even though I'm just from the 90s) is productive, simple, well written and reliable software. A good example everyone knows would be the "notepad.exe". It remained unchanged for so many years now because it simply works."
Im glad people like you don't take core decisions in tech companies.
there was always spam/chain mail, they've simply adapted
YOUV INHRETD A MILLI DOLLORS CUME TO THIS SYTE scam.com
Misterlegoboy I remember receiving "Nigerian" Spam by paper mail!
Loved the comparisons! You hit the nail on the head! Still love my C-64 and Amiga 500!
I have been a Data Processing Tech, MIS Tech, IT Tech (and many more names) for 38 years this month and grew up in the industry. Even met one of the developers of the original IBM PC in Boca Raton, FL. I saw and worked on so many different systems in my years it is hard to remember them all. Anyone remember CPM? Some were great while others were just bad. Support people were/are the same.
I do have to say that for what it showed this video was one of the better ones. It shows when things and people actually did work. AHHhh simpler times. BIG thumbs up.
Ah... There's my first computer at 4:00. Loved the VIC-20.
rajvader Mine was a C64c. Great times...
rajvader atari 520 here, later a P3 whit 600mhz (800mhz TURBO whit the magic button, helll yes)
rajvader Toshiba MSX here but always wanted the C64
I never got the C64 either... Expanded the heck out of the VIC-20 instead.
+rajvader My first was the Radio SHack TRS-80. With 16k!
The Wow factor is truly what I miss today. :-( I still recall the year 1999 when I got my Pentium III MMX with 64MB of RAM and 20GB hard drive. The glow that was in my face and the tears that anticipated my wait for unboxing the computer was surely missing when I got my i7 4790K with a GTX 980 and 32GB of RAM. To me it is just another PC with some minimal upgrade.
Same when i got a new dreamcast after having a genesis and snes
The wow factor of getting my Gameboy Colour was through the roof, but when it came to getting my 3DS though wasn’t as much, from the brick DS upgrade. It’s kinda sad thinking about it.
Tahmid Rashid you grew up...
Hell I still miss my ColecoVision
Great vid! Same thing as I am always saying: I use a C64 not because it is old (nostalgia), but because it is fun to use! Another thing that could be mentioned is drivers versus plug and play. The old computers almost never needed drivers, because certain things like how an input device (mouse/joystick/joypad/paddle) works was previously defined by a standard that every device adhered to. It is truly insane that today every USB stick has its own driver, even though all of them do the same thing.
You are so right with the manuals. And it wasn't just the manuals to the computers that were great but also the games. Especially Microprose. I remember my old manual from Sim Life. It had everything you needed to know how to play the game but also, at the back, it had a section on the theory of evolution. With Railroad Tycoon, they had a sections on trains and the history of railroads.
Nowadays, even if you don't just download the game but actually get a physical copy, all you get is one sheet of paper while the game holds your hand for the first 20 minutes.
Also, games back then were shipped in a finished state. No day one patches...
"Upgrading your computer always came with a sense of anticipation, to open the box and see what it could do. Each generation of computers offered something truly amazing compared to the generation before."
"The hardware capabilities remained the same, so a new game designed 12 years later would work exactly the same on the older version."
Please give an example on what would be truly amazing.
I noticed that conflict too
The C64 was a bit of a singularity with it's longevity. People loved it to bits - and still do. When mine broke in the nineties, I went and bought a new one despite Amigas and PCs being around already.
^ i think you missed the point he meant theres no hardware difference between any of the comadoor 64's revisions
Watching this all I can think for why this is the case is because, like all goods these days (especially cars), they aren't made to be kept running, they are made to be 'thrown out' or passed on after 3-4 years. Those Commodore computers were made to stand the test of time.
+hotwire96 Unless you're into car mods. As shown in The Fast and Furious serious.
Foolishness. An old PC is still usable, and they last very long (atleast my families PC lasted like 6+ years, and its still kicking). Just reinstall an OS of your choice and its ready.
+hotwire96 You're referring to a different industry. I can assure you my computer would outlive a commodore 64 in hours use before a major hardware fail.
The only components that are built to eventually fail are mechanical parts such as Hard Disk Drives.
+hotwire96 It's true. People want you to buy more stuff so they can make more money. The internet (and other places) are no longer truthful.
+hotwire96 I have a 10 year old Dell Dimension 5100 running Windows 10. Your argument is invalid.
I'm totally with you on the whole manual thing. Got a new desktop and it was barely a pamphlet, and a manual would be useful if I would like to upgrade this thing later. Guess that's why a lot of books are sold under "The Missing Manual" header.
omg. this is sooooo true. Oh the beautiful simplicity of those days, with reliable functionality.
I don't agree on the less data loss. At least for me floppys and tapes would break MUCH more easily then a computer HDD. And even if a comp breaks you can just swap drives.
Well, floppies can be killed quite easily by hands, and HD floppies are much more fragile than DD ones. But when they're being handled properly, they could live way much longer than the average HDD of today. I've yet to see a single Commodore 64 floppy of mine fail.
Tapes just wear out much faster, because tape is much more mechanically stressed than a disk. Also, tape can re-magnetize itself while being in spool without use for a long time. So they actually fail more than floppies, imho.
True. But the point was not the reliability of the HDD in a modern computer. With a modern computer, ANYTHING going wrong might cause a regular consumer (who doesn't know how to remove the hard drive) to loose data. Could be a logic board failure or even just malware.
Well, gotta agree on that.
It also seems to me that regular users knew more about their machines 10-20 years ago...
The iBookGuy True, True.
> just swap drives
And then spend an entire day reinstalling everything.
Invalid reasons.
1. bloatware. Try a os that has little bloatware
2. Click the red x...
3. This is why we invented google, google it -_-
4. Notepad.
5. We have google, or google now or Siri, USE IT this is not the pre-internet era without google
6. As long as it's not Apple or a laptop you can replace your whole PC like your motherboard or CPU or gpu or Your hdd and etc
7. Double click .exe and spam next, TA DA
8. Graphics? Better graphics? Better performance? 720 to 1080p? Upgrading os? More customizations? Mostly everything....
9. As long as you don't put your email everywhere you shouldn't have a metric tonne 5gbs of spam.
11. Same as today, replace and repair
And here's 10, didn't catch it because I'm on mobile
10: most software supports windows XP and vista and 7 and sometimes 8. From 2001-2014 support for os's
Good job. You seem to have missed the joke that is the video. Congratulations.
Just a question but in 5. What about Cortana? like i said, just a question.
1) well, there's my clean Windows 8, booting in 10 seconds from an SSD... But it's still slower than Commodore.
4) notepad will not compilate programs. You still have CMD, though.
5) how do I use Google when the screen is black?
7) ...and then wait a hour.
8) if your game can't run on old computers *coughconsolescough* nowadays, you're considered a bad gamedev and everybody hates you. More blur doesn't count as better graphics. 1080P isn't a cure for everything, in fact, you don't notice it from 2 meters. As or non-gaming side, can't see much difference between XP and 8 in terms of effectiveness and customisation- in fact, 8 doesn't have some neat things XP offered.
10) XP and Vista are officially unsupported by Microsoft as of now, and new apps may, but not guranteed to work on them. Also, as he was talking about Commodore, a propritetary computer with its own OS, iPad is much closer to it, and they, indeed, are obsolete in 2-3 years.
11) PC? Yes, of course. But, as in 10, take a look at the iPad and, indeed, most of Apple. And at the gaming consoles. And the more expensive laptops. And your fridge. You ain't gonna fix these yourself, because they want your moneys to reside in the service centers, not in your pockets. Simple as that.
But what if... Google/Internet will never exists?
You nailed it on tech support... If the computer is smoking, I think there's problems deeper than Microsoft Office man :)
Such memories. Bought a C64 in the fall of 1982 and taught myself to program in Basic. Used the TV for the monitor for awhile and them bought an Amdek monitor. Had the real floppies--5.25 inch and of course made a notch on the opposite side so you could use both sides of the floppy. I also had the GOES program from Berkley Software. Made your screen a GUI--heady stuff back in 1983/84. Oh and the 1200 Baud modem that let you connect to QLink and chat. You'd type in a sentence and hit enter and it would take some time to show up. It was really pretty damn expensive too. Later bought a C128 and used it for years.