DANGEROUS VAPORS - Anhydrous Ammonia application in Southern Iowa.
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- Fighting off an anhydrous leak while trying to get smoke pulled before it freezes!
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With all your talk about reduced compaction from tracks I thought you were going to say the raccoon walked away with just a minor chiropractic adjustment.
I have a trimble guidance system on a deere 4 wheel drive, had same issues of a mind of its own. I replace a short cable, about 18 inches in length that connects to the articulation/direction of travel sensor, located on the rear end of tractor. This solves my problems for a couple years, then replace it again. Goodluck and stay safe with the anh4, i use it as well.
NH3 is definitely the cheapest form of Nitrogen but also the most dangerous. Be careful Ben, you don’t even want to trust the hoses and always work upwind of it.
Very happy to see you practice all the right things working with it.
Prices are crazy for everything. I am an electrician and our wire prices are up 250%. Can't even get materials for construction. Farmers are getting screwed even worse. God Bless you guys! Keep at it!
@ 16:07 "Once we get done pulling smoke, she's got a date with the tile plow"
All I can say is giddy up!!
Ben I always give ya a thumbs up. Just for taking the time to put a video together.
Thanks Six Toes!
Hello 👋 Molly and Wayne
Good morning I'm impressed with your videos
I'm a farmer in Indiana your videos are real informative you do a great job at them 👍
Thanks Matthew!
Awesome copilot u have Ben
This is for Molly! She is doing amazing with the editing and music selection! has she found a new vocation??? I think so! Molly, keep it up.
I'll let her know!
I can smell this video
It skinks into your skin I swear.
Great video Ben
Thanks Kevin!
Hello 👋 Bandit
OH I thought you were gunna come out of that BATHWRROM with that gasmask on and complain about SECOND PERSON IN LINE WHEN ITS TIME TO *TAKE THE DOGSOUT* !!! LOL HAHAHAHAHA
Hahaha
@@iowANFarmer HAHAHAAHAHAHAHA feel free to use that one tomorrow (another day?) *I* will still laff as hard then AS I DID WHEN I THuuNKED IT :) lol
Nice new shoes for the truck.
Hello 👋 Andrew
Love the sped up video and the stories. Good job Ben, keep um coming.
Watching the sun go down ... Thats Cool !!
Thanks!
Pancake raccoon? IDK, might make a good pothole patch...
Lol
Please be careful with that Nitrogen, we need our iowANFarmer and family. Nice set of tires on the truck.
Will do
I really enjoy your videos and the relationships you have with Wayne and Andrew. Keep up the good work.
Great great video..thanks for talking about anhydrous and it’s application. Keep them coming.
Thanks Tom!
Years ago my Dad worked for FS and was filling tanks at the plant, hit the valve wheel on the tank guard, the valve on the end of the house opened. Sprayed him with NH3 from his chest to his knees. It burnt the nipples off his chest. He was awfully lucky!!
Crazy
I figured you would need an SCBA for these levels vs regular carbon filters.
Great information, can’t wait to see that quad track pulling that tile plow again!
Me too!
...whens that NEW blu PLANTER with the TROUBLESHOOTING MONITOR gunna show up for a VISIT???? :) ((or was your monitor&planter upgraded arlready??))
That sped up video made my week, love it!
That was a whole field. Left it that was.
Where I am from, Alberta Canada, the fertilizer dealers have nurse trucks that deliver the product to your field and refill the nurse tank. Much safer that way. The driver is trained to deal with the product.
NH3?
In the US there are supposedly regulations against filling a mobile anhydrous tank from a mobile anhydrous tank .
@@davidmetzger5986 didn’t know that .
@@iowANFarmer yeah man every spring we have a 50 ton truck come to the field when we fill with seed and fertilizer in Saskatchewan
@@davidmetzger5986 There were many accidents in the past field refills if I recall.
we use to put anhydrous on. in the 80s. i always done that job. i liked it i could cover a bunch of ground. it was a lot cheaper. than dry fertilizer. but he didnt get bigger. they got rid of the tool to knife it in at the coop. so he had to go back to dry. that was a great video. scared me a little the way that tank was wipping LOL. REALY ENJOYED THAT VIDEO.
Thanks Howard!
Great stuff Ben always enjoy your input on crop happenings.
Thanks James.
Great Video! Sat through NH3 class tonight dangerous stuff stay safe out there! Look forward to watching all your new videos! Merry Christmas!
Good stuff
Ahhhh, yes, Satan's pepper spray. I remember having to help give heifers footbaths with a mixture of ammonia and something else. I don't know what it was, but it burned my eyes like crazy and it takes your breath away.
When I was a kid growing up in Houston there was a tanker truck full of anhydrous ammonia that fell off a interstate overpass onto another freeway. Instantly there was a cloud from the 7000 gallons of pure ammonia. 6 people were killed almost instantly and another couple hundred ended up in the hospital with burns to their skin, eyes, and even worse, their lungs. Many of them were disabled for the remainder of their lives. A seventh victim died a couple years later. She never was able to recover from the damage to her body. It’s some very nasty stuff. Useful but dangerous. In addition to agriculture, it’s used in a lot of industrial processes. You still see the tanker trucks hauling it around Houston all the time. Hopefully they are more careful.
My best friend in grade school, her dad was blinded by NH3 in his 30s. He made a bad decision to try to cut off a bad valve. Couldn't stand to watch those $$ leaking into the atmosphere. A neighbor custom farmed his land for free for the next 20 yrs.
Two crazy stories. That's why it is so dangerous.
@iowANFarmer We had to stop using Anhydrous when our operation got too big for us to do all the application. Too dangerous to allow employees to do it in the current liability-crazed world. Citiots haven't a clue of how dangerous some of these ag jobs are. I applaud you for bringing it up.
Wow, I remember when I was 12 yrs old my dad got burned by A.A. Mom took him to the hospital got into his lungs. He was putting it on the sugar beats. God rest his soul he kelp on going the next day. That was yrs ago. Just be safe & wear the mask. Great job sharing your videos you do great explaining everything.
Thanks Paul!
I always love new tires!
I can remember using NH3 on corn many years ago ,but it never touched the ground at all. Take a guess on that one young man, its use that is. 😂 Thanks Ben and Molly another great video!!!
You’ve got me!
@@iowANFarmer Use too put on corn silage to raise the protein levels for our dairy cows. As you know the dangers,it is all so corrosive on unloader motors had to rap them up tightly. Mixed it in at the silo blowers. 👍👍. Thanks again young man.
Smart choice buying ahead. I have only seen 2 fields here in KS with NH3 being applied. The price is likely the determinant (time will tell). Keep posting the videos! :)
Will do!
Hey you don’t have them gloves on right. You need to have the top of the gloves folded up. That way if you would have a leak of the gas and it comes up your glove and if you have the cuff folded up it will turn back where your glove is protecting your hand.
You're correct. I forgot about that.
Definitely enjoyed video. Thanks for feeding the world with your hard work and investments. I realize you don’t have a big margin. Jerome Manhattan Ks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Awesome videos, sir! I actually watch while in the tractor, as long as auto steer are working properly. Just finished about 2200 acres of NH3, as a custom applicator, we got shut down due to the price jumps. Waiting for supply and prices to get back down so I can get out there again.
Probably a good thing to shut it down.
@@iowANFarmer I can’t believe the cost per ton. Our location can’t even get any more. Crazy this year. Hopefully prices go back down for all the farmers who are wanting to put on this spring.
My grandpa almost died when a hose ruptured and burned him. I always was scared to be around it.
lots of people are.
i had three point issues, had dealer out, i had a bad alternator, it was messing with the electronics in the massey.
dogs are the best.
Our man looking good dropping the lbs for the wedding and good health.
The worst part of working on our farm is pulling twin 1450 gallon tanks. At least we can do about 100 acres a set
What rate?
@@iowANFarmer ill have to go back and look in the books, my uncle applies it, I'm just the poor guy pulling tanks, but I think around 80-120lbs, depending on what ground it is. We mainly raise wheat, canola and soybeans so we don't have to put it on as strong as some guys
I've been burned bye this numerous times Dangerous stuff but well worth it just be careful my Friend been pulling it on 40 years good luck
Respect it and you will stay safe!
What made you choose an organics filter cartridge over an ammonia cartridge?
To get proper protection from that APR you need to be using the proper cartridges. You should be using green ones.
I got hit with some anhydrous one morning applying at the coop. I carried a personal respirator and didn’t have it on hooking morning tanks up, didn’t get me too bad but we did find out I had bad asthma haha. So as a farm manager for a living I have to ask (not all the way through the video) how are guys sitting. Some here in eastern Nebraska bought their needs early at 700-760/ton, some bought as applied at 1400-1550/to. IF the coop would sell and some are rolling the dice
Because of probably a warming climate and warmer soils coupled with safety issues very few farms if any , here in the UK use anhydrous nowadays. I have not seen any equipment now for more than 35yrs!
Most farms apply urea prills or crystals in cold/cool weather followed by applications, according to crop need, of ammonium nitrate or sulphate often with added sulphur. There is a steady growth of folks using liquid fertilizers which are are hauled in as a concentrate and the farmer dilutes them down for use. Many use ready diluted products where temporary lagoons (that look like massive children's play pools with floating collars which truck drivers empty their truck into. (The real beauty of the lagoons is they can be setup in any smooth level locations, eg grass, in or near where the product is required and speeds up application as little or no road travel needed. They are all applied by suitably modified / constructed sprayer type machines to limit corrosion on kit.
The big recent development is the use of more and more waste products like sewage cake and food waste solids, animal waste (both liquid and solids) and stackable bio-waste mainly from green recycling or digester plants.
It seems like the UK has a lot of solutions to fertilizer needs. I watch Tom P videos, and love how his farm is a perfect cycle. Grass feeds cows, Cows make milk and Waste, Milk feeds humans, Waste feeds grass. Perfect.
Poor little critter.😇!
At least it was a very quick ending eh.
It was
OK a few things
Dylan.. Get back to the farm, Ben Needs a Camera man !
Case IH : Let Ben Demo the Steiger Dually 600 ! See if he likes the tracks or a big set of Duals.
and if it turns out to be the valve... Ben has done enough Case IH promotion to at least earn a free valve !
Free Valve! Free Valve! Free Valve! Free Valve!
Ben, Don’t inhale!
Smart move getting your anhydrous early, here in southwest IA, its 1400 a ton here!
Yeah, I'm hearing anywhere from 1200 to 1550
Had steering problem with a 2 track and Trimble system, was doing what your tractor was. Steering sensor was the problem, replaced it and fixed the problem. Hope you get it fixed.
Tank 24 water tank hose was dangling, thus empty.
I am in lawn care in east central Wisconsin and my fertilizer costs went up 44% from this spring until now and that is only if I purchased it now and had in my shed before Jan. 1. Thank goodness I don’t have to pay for it until next June. It is getting real ugly out there with costs and shortages of products.
Will customers still purchase the fertilizer?
@@iowANFarmer Like you I have to buy the product as people want green grass. I will be cutting back some on the amount I apply. My fertilizer is a high end controlled release so I can get away with reducing the rates a little. As far as my customers buying my services, I hope so but since I am semiretired and do this to keep busy and extra money for my toys having some drop won’t kill me.
Ben, I agree with you on the cost of nitrogen. I truly believe this fertilizer price is being pushed by commodity price more then fossil fuel price. If the acres switch predominantly to beans oats and wheat, and the effects of this year's drought are felt I believe the corn price will go even higher and the nitrogen price will get even higher.
It can only go up or down....
Gremlins! Bloody gremlins!
I'd check your electrical connections and anyplace the wire makes a sharp bend. You might have a chaffed wire.
Thanks for the tip!
We stopped using aa completely and use 28 fixed. Applied with homemade 360 y drops. 3 passes. One in our starter at planting, one pas when the corn is between 8 to 12 in tall and the last pass when you can feel the tassel in the corn. It works well for us. For me , I didn't want the risk of aa.
Farming 101 or how to fix things 🚜🌽😎👍👍
You got that right!
Could do a hitch setup like Larson Farms did depending what planter you have, remotes can be added 😉
24 Row Kinze
Your living life large with new tires for winter .lol I always get stuck more with new tires because you have to see what they will do right
yep, ill say to my self "it'll go there" - wrong
You most likely have a can bus voltage issue. If the can sees to much or to little voltage it will start to kick things off to recover. Auto steer would usually be affected first. The John Deere’s were notorious for having the terminator in the ISO connector off the rear of the tractor fail due to water, manure etc. I’m not sure if your case is set up similar. You’ll need to monitor can voltage high/low while it acts up. Good luck.
Thanks for the tip Chad!
Ben, what would happen if farmers left the equipment in the shed for a year? If you all could ever agree o do it. It would be nice to have the shoe on the other foot for once. How can farmers say a collective NO when you are all so independent. If you can't feed your corn properly I see higher corn prices/ higher consumer prices. Oh yeah!
Dennis Ivers runs a Case Quad with auto steer. Pete Youngblut is Cole's AG Leader guy, seems very knowledgeable.
I think the National Farmers Organization tried to promote a similar idea of getting all farmers to not sell grain in an attempt to raise prices back during the 1980's farm crisis. It didn't work, just impossible to get enough farmers to agree and stick with the plan. Too independent in a way.
Ben I would take and check the hydraulic cylinders that steer that those might possibly need to be packed Just guessing at it good luck in that situation be safe out there with that stuff
It steers perfectly and smoothly. I don’t think there is anything wrong with the cylinders.
Thanks for the tip!
We had the same steering problem on our quad. After 3 days of bs replaced that steer sensor on the center pivot then all was good
What GPS system are you running?
@@iowANFarmer the stock case ih that came with it back in 2008
We had a man from our town who froze the fingers off one hand with that stuff. Very dangers.
Crazy
I remember doing this kind of stuff back in 2010 and it was shit I almost gassed myself a couple times. We stoped screwing around with nitrogen in 2016 and it was a great Idea. We now use solid fertilizer. It's a lotsafer and we can get more done now.
I think there is a place for both.
Ben see if you can get charcoal filters for your mask if they aren’t. I have a moldex 7000 and 5000 and they usually have an ammonia green band. Good for a year just like a sprayer cab filter 👍🏼
Thanks for the tip!
Can't count the times i've been gassed by anhydrous, 10 years of working in a tank inspection shop, rebuilding pumps, replacing hoses,etc. Nasty stuff and the more you get exposed to it, the bigger whiff you need to smell it. Glad i got out of working on those tanks.
That wouldn’t be fun.
Man we were changing the 2 rings inside the tube of the intercooler of the raven, there was hidden pressures so when we popped open the side plate of the intercooler my guy got hit direct his face and side, luckily he recovered. Long story short always carry water source to rinse off contamination .
yikes! That is why there is water on the tanks
That was cool, do it again
Have you thought about using urea on that 10acres. Glad youare very careful around 82%. Stay safe.
Yes and I swear I'm going to next time. I also have some acers I am thinkin about using only UAN on.
Well done on wearing the ppe but take them cuffs of those gloves and roll them up an 1” if you get liquid on you glove it will roll onto your arm if you roll them it will catch it
Definitely need to do that!
Hi Ben, just finished watching Sonne Farms from South Dakota. They were applying granular fertilizer, but the interesting fact was they had soil tests etc done to evaluate where the crop needed the less or more fertiliser. This way there expenditure on fertilize was destvalue as well their crop also benefited by the best practice of applying the fertiliser. Are you able to do that with the Hydros? I am a Rancher and Farmer from down under, love your vids, if I could vote 100 extra I would.
It is possible. You can variable rate about anything
We are going all soybean next year, prices are just to high for inputs for our little farm.
Then corn the next? You loose diversity - Risky, but also make sense. Soybeans look attractive and a whole lot less work.
@@iowANFarmer We have a small 80 acre farm that has been in the family since 1930s. Currently we share crop it. Talking with the gentleman that share crops with us, soybeans this coming year and then actually looking at wheat and hay the following year and then back into splitting the acreage to corn and soybeans. We keep the farm because it is paid for, provides us with a place to go and play, plus gives me an excuse to have a small tractor. Growing up, we had cows, pigs, and chickens, but as we all got jobs that required more hours and less availability for the farm, we got rid of the livestock and went to share cropping.
I know we decided to plant more wheat and beans and less corn next year. With more wheat we can plant double crop beans after it so we will make up for the less corn . That being said we still will grow over 2000 acres of corn. We choose to use urea and then sidress 28 percent nitrogen on if needed . That quadtrac would make a great planter tractor for corn or beans. We run planter with both of our quadtracs and they both have 36 inch tracks. Most of the time our 500 runs planter while the 580 runs vertical tillage. I think that you need to run greenstar on it that's what we do with no issues We tried the ag leader with lots of little issues as well. Great video keep up the good work !
I might have found out the issue… maybe.
Man you have a beast over there! why didnt you stop for a bit, so the racoon could gone safetly?
where you see the frost on the hose coil above the knife that is caused by liquid NH3 boiling at 28 degrees below zero
Blew a fuse on my power cable to the rate controller while the master was on. Therefore ball valves were still open with no power to shut them. Had to get wind moving parallel to bar, left it in the ground and ran back and shut off the tanks. Not fun. We run the planter, the cart, and anhydrous with a Cat challenger E95 plenty of power and on tracks of course. Great in the field terrible on the road.
I've been told those Cats pull
Might be worth looking into crimson clover for cover and between the rows either alone or mixed in with the rye.
But you would be wanting to plant corn that next year then correct?
@@iowANFarmer Yes, corn. I was experimenting with the crimson clover and annual rye last spring in the backyard, alone and mixed together using the rye as a nurse crop. All did a good job of suppressing the weeds. I got to thinking about other uses and came up with the idea of using just the clover between the cornrows. The crimson clover sprouted real early in the spring, but didn't much like the hot weather and died down by end of June. So, could it be possible to leave the CC until it dies off on its own, feeding and suppressing the whole time until about when the corn is high enough to do its own suppressing with shade? And then re-seed itself for the fall? Seems like there are many possibilities to be explored. Of course, CC can be grazed and bailed and I think there may be some potential to spread seed in the fall, have it start growing first thing in the spring, then cut and bail whatever results from that right before planting corn. CC could also be used in the spring, bailed in early summer, and then the ground could be tiled in the summer followed by tillage and a fall crop of winter wheat or something else I can't think of. That may be an option for getting tile in rather than the narrow and fickle windows before planting and after harvest.
@@iowANFarmer I went through my yt history and came across this lecture: Mimicking Nature: One Farmer's Cover Crop History
I had to watch it again and I'm glad I did for the inspiration and information. This guy is the real deal experimenting with cc's since 1972.
It's the tractor when we had the tractor and green star it didn't work very good just like your ag leader I think. Took it out of the tractor like 4 years ago so don't remember for sure. Hope it helps good luck
This tractor?
Yes
@@codymiller2775 hmm send me an email. I’d like to chat with you about it. iowanfarmer52581@gmail.com … I’ll give you my phone number.
I grew up near Confidence working on a farm, now live in Cville love the videos
I know right where you're talking about.
Putting on anhydrous is one of my favorite jobs besides harvest, here in Ohio we can only put it on in the spring because our soil can’t hold the nitrogen if we apply in the fall.
How much N can you hold?
@@iowANFarmer I'm not exactly sure but we only got about 2 foot of dirt before we get into gravel so I've always been told that the nh3 will leach through the gravel and even putting it on in the spring we put 165 lbs of N with 1 quart per acre of N-serve.
I know the frustration of auto steer. I fought with it for 3 out of 5. Sometimes, it works until 11 am then doesn't work the rest of the day. Next morning same thing. The planting tractor also has auto steer and doesn't work any better. About the end of the season dealer finally gets it running right. System hasn't made me a Nicole yet and I have about 30000 dollars tied up in it.. I have auto steer on the strip till fertilizer tractor and on the planting tractor. We've sent units back,, replaced units and don't recommend it.
What system? What tractor?
@@iowANFarmer tremble e z steer with cell tower correction. Dealer sent back units, gave me a loaner, which worked good. Repair shop sad nothing wrong with old unit but still didn't work right. Sent it back, got it working. Used it in September working in cover. Shut down about 11 , but then started working again versatile 936.
One on 7120 planting tractor would not work good on slight side hill or moderate draw. They sent out a technician who fussed with in for several hours.
Really displeased
I'm in upstate ny
Did it for a lot of years even back when you transferred from nurse tank to applicator I remember a house wife not to happy with me apparently some of the vapor got in her house she wasn’t happy finally switched 28% liquid it’s more money but thought safety was worth it.
I agree on the safety
Ben where was the Blue Dog at. Sleeping in the house or at home
With Wayne.
@@iowANFarmer Wayne loves that dog he should just keep him there
Can you go into more detail about the nitrogen fixer that you use to keep it in the soil?
Why is this method better than applying a compound prill as you drill or shortly before or after. 4 months before planting seems to give it too much chance to leech away
You bet, research N-Serve and it will probably answer all of your questions!
Time to update your planter.
It will damn sure freeze a pop real quick 👍
Speaking form experience?
If I do start farming Im staying away from anhydroious ammonia I hate that stuff and a few years ago one of my uncle got a shot of that stuff in the face said he felt like he couldnt breath for a minute
That what it will do to you.
You would have been better off with the green star......just saying....I’ve ran both....no comparison......just my two cents.
Do you use a gyroscope with this gps system, i had the same problem. The gyroscope was broken. I use GPS from Trimble.
The Z2 has one built in. I have gotten another tip as to what it could be. I will keep CZcams updated
Nobody talk's about what this will do to your lungs. Dangerous stuff. Be safe out there.
New tires, but did you fix the door so you can get out?
Nope. Door still broke.
@@iowANFarmer LOL
Just like Jim Carey said in, "The Mask".."SMOKIN!"
lol
If N don’t go down there will be a shortage of corn because who will be able to afford to apply it. Unless corn prices go up but than so will seed and chemicals and Part’s. Everyone always got there hand in a farmer’s pocket. It’s a real shame.
Spend more. Make less.
What type cartridge are those and would a yellow organic vapor work ?
I'm not sure. It is just a mask I got off of Amzon.
@@iowANFarmer I think you need to get educated on that. I THINK the MSA masks I used to wear at work were organic vapors and the actually captured the NH3
Just maybe if you would 🤷 have that wonderful women in your life on the camera with you more 😉, that 100,000 subs would come true. Your going to make the 50,000 easy. You are one of the best u-tubers around. If you had more big green suff to farm 🚜 with it may help. What you do well is show what farming is really like. Getting started farming in this world 🌎 is not so easy!! Best wishes on getting more subscribers. All I know is I plan to keep watching 👀!!!Thanks 🙂.
Thanks Stan! I’ll have Molly around as much as possible!
Putting gas on, fun times, lol. I don't mind putting gas on, but its definitely my least favorite thing to do. Once you get a whiff of anhydrous, that smell stays with you all dang day. I've had a couple close calls thru the years.
Never open the valve on the tank all the way, in the event of an emergency you don't want to spend the amount of time it takes to open the valve all the way.
Will it flow enough?
Yes it will
Why aren't your bolts shearing?
They do until the knife gets fatigue
Just make sure that farmer valve is shut off when dropping tanks for refill. 👍😵💫