U.S. Special Operations Units: The BEST and WORST SOF units.
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- My ranking of the best and worst U.S. SOF units. Be sure to whine about it in the comments.
(160th is Army btw, meant best aviation unit not Air Force unit)
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As a former Force Recon turned MARSOC guy I agree with what you said. Rankings and the figuring out what they want to be. We started with 2 platoons of Force dudes supported by a platoon of Marine grunts. That changed quickly. It was supposed to model a squadron.
The selling point of MARSOC was conducting Company ops which they rarely do. A Marine general after telling us recon marines that we had no right to be there, said he wanted us to do 1st class SR, he didn’t know what that was or what it looked like but that’s what he wanted. That changed. The main point he said was that we would do everything including windows.
The big problem with MARSOC is its Higher Leadership. Ex. Kyle Morgan having Raiders being called and told not to support the hotel hostage rescue. Because they would compromise their mission in country at that time. This was while they were clearing rooms. Also in the beginning of MARSOC formation 3rd MRB was filled with just grunts. Caused big problems and they gained rank and leadership positions. But in the eyes of people in charge that Never took selection, “A Marine can do anything. Because we are All Marines! Something something you’re not special something Marine!”
I’ve been out of it for a decade now so it’s probably better.
I will put Green Berets on top of Raiders. When it comes to fighting I believe Raiders may be a little more Aggressive. Now this is definitely biased! I never had a bad time serving and fighting alongside Green Berets. Outstanding professionalism! Great F’ing Dudes. Especially 7th Group.
Thank you for protecting our freedoms.
I believe they're shifting towards modeling after the A-Teams now, I've heard of a few SF dudes at the schoolhouse,the structure is like A-Teams but 14, it's a good idea I think,if you want work 24/7
@@Frank-uw5xq SF dudes helped write the beginning curriculum sop for ITC. Especially for UW. They were instrumental in helping turn MARSOC into what it is today.
The one thing we have over SF in initial training is our CQB course which includes breaching with basic explosive charges. This was something that came from us Force Recon guys. Everyone can, “Push the Fight!”
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I was a Marine and due to our mission I worked with a few different spec ops units in Iraq and Afghanistan. Nothing crazy, mostly just sharing battle space or supporting missions. I was always impressed by the SF units, bunch of good dudes both humble and capable. One of my Marines ended up getting out and joining the Army, eventually becoming SF. Years later a bunch of us went to Ft. Bragg for his funeral, afterwards they had us over to their establishment out in town and we had a few beers with his unit, once again just a good bunch of guys. Of note was the huge wall of pictures dedicated to Green Berets that lost lost their lives on operations. Very humbling, but I was also very proud as an American of these guys. Top notch.
thanks a lot bro your info gave me a bunch of insight, i was aspiring to become a seal but after watching this i did a little more research and decided to go marsoc.
Get ahold of Jake Zweig he'll give the PDF to train, he's former Seal , he'll advise you to go Army SF, which you definitely need to reconsider, go SF bro
I’ve talked with Jake Zweig. Just email him and get the PDF, don’t even bother talking with him if you didn’t hit semi-passed to good scores on that PDF with data collected.
And if you can go to college just do that. I really wanted to enlist as a Pararescue years ago (I was able to perform everything above the minimum standard except my pushups was stuck at 65 in 2 mins) and he immediately shot me down calling me a bookworm 😂 this is when I was rejected by all the universities I applied to. I had completely given up on life. He motivated me to try another year, but this time do it like I mean it, and lo and behold I got into UC Berkeley as physics major while doing Pre-Med. he’s intimidating at first but he got a big heart, great guy.
you forgot the ranger regimental reconnaissance company and the Intelligence support activity(who go on recon, SSE and surveillance missions for intel on certain missions that Delta and Devgru go on) and the 24th Special tactics squadrons(Mainly flies the tier 1 units and provides, PJs for medical expertise, CCTs, TACPs and JTACs trained at the tier 1 level) you also have JMAU, or the elite covert surgical unit meant to covertly operate on operators who've been injured and Cas-vac isn't possibly.
Awesome video! I'm a big fan. I have four questions. I'm not sure if you have complete insight on these, but if you do, I'd love to know. I understand that your expertise is on the SF side so I understand if you don't.
1. Have you worked with DevGru personally? Do you think they have better leadership that perhaps maintains a balance of respect for the Navy side?
2. Where would you rank Force Recon in comparison to the SEAL teams and Ranger Battalion?
3. What are the differences between Ranger Battalion and other infantry units?
4. Despite the common perception that Marines are underfunded, based on your experience working with MARSOC, are they adequately equipped and trained for successful missions?
Also, I've never understood why Marines are considered underfunded, especially since they're often referred to as the first to fight.
Air Force 24th Special Tactics Squadron and Ranger Reconnaissance Battalion are also Tier 1
Apparently not "GUD NUFF".
Honestly, airforce special ops is badass because they're QUIET.
24th yes but ranger recon no. Ranger recon has no where near the funding and manpower of the other tier 1 units.
@@troopdog23how would you know that? Were you in the unit?
@@troopdog23 RRC is in fact a tier 1 unit
@@taylorpearce3710 it’s not even a part of jsoc lol and they have no where NEAR the funding and manpower of the other tier 1 units.
Thank you for creating this video. I definitely wanted to see your perspective, as I am highly interested in signing up and I can tell that you are very real and no bs. I'm aware that SF has the 18X-ray program, but I've heard they prefer candidates with experience. In your personal opinion, what would you recommend as the best starting point if I intend to try out for SF later?
I was an 18x. I had zero military experience and was a college dropout shithead when I went in. I made it through the entire course first try. It’s all up to you as an individual as to whether you’ll make it or not.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining thank you sir
@@ValhallaFirearmsTrainingI know seals are the most glorified and famous due to Hollywood/series etc, but for me it’s the Green berets,they are really the Quiet Professionals and can’t forget (De Oppressor Liber) Badass!
Keep making more videos.
Your videos are amazing 🎉
Thanks brother 🫡
Sweet. Thanks for the video
What's your opinion on the women's CSTs?
I’d like to hear your thoughts on the Denmark frog man always heard those guys were pretty metal but never anything from someone of your experience
Ya the Dane's & the Dutch I've always heard good things
I was in a precursor unit to SFAB in '08. We were called Military Transition Teams (MiTT). MiTTs were modeled to "mimick" the indig mission of the ODAs - 11 man team, each with a MOS specialty (I was the Commo Chief). Obviously, we were in no way "operators". At one point, the Army was debating giving us a "Combat Advisor" tab🤣.
I spent a year living with an Iraqi Infantry Battalion - what a shitshow!! We did, however, spend that year living on our own away from conventional forces, and that was actually pretty awesome. Spent some time on COP Cobra w/ a team from 1st Group.
By late '08, Army was requiring coalition forces to conduct all missions with Iraqi Forces involved, so the ODA had us bring the Iraqi jundis out on a couple partner missions. That was mostly cool. We pretty much just had to babysit the Iraqis and make sure they didn't get blown up...but they always managed to find a way!
Anyway, looking back, even though that deployment was a total dumpster fire, I sometimes feel that was the best time I had in the Army.
That's a great insight...I wonder how you feel about the big regular army, my understanding is that SF is sort of its own element inside of the army
Was an 18x. My entire career was in SF other than 4 months in basic training. So I don’t really have a great insight into anything conventional tbh.
Great list!
Could you answer a couple of questions for me/us? What is the difference between a CRF and CTAC team? Are they DA teams? Do Guard SF have these teams? Also doesn’t SF have a AFO element that you can’t talk about? I love the info and content you do man! 🤙🏽
So the CRF is designed to be a quick reaction force that can rapidly deploy to a crisis. Think Benghazi and how that should have been handled. For 1st and 10th group the CRF teams are in Okinawa and Germany respectively. They have technically been disbanded, or really renamed I guess, they’re still doing a lot of what they used to do.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining you might have mentioned it previous videos, but were you ever a part of 1st group’s crf?
Hey just wondering if you ever came across any spetznas in your travels, also what would you say is or was the most formidable unconventional force that you had to deal with , it might make a good video explaining how guerilla fighter operate and the tactics they use and why. Just a thought, anyways thanks for the videos brother. Take care.
Ya actually in Mongolia. One of the rare places you’ll see Russian, American, North Korean and Chinese soldiers all in the same place. Wasn’t in any type of combat setting though.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTrainingcould you elaborate briefly?
What do you think of the ISA? I’ve heard a lot of those people come from SF as well, especially 10th group for some reason. Just curious bc there’s a decent amount of info on delta but pretty much zero on the ISA.
Worked with the ISA for a big exercise in like 2019, TS read on though, I can’t talk about it or their unit because of that.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining sounds pretty dope. Just seems weird that there’s quite a lot of talk about delta but none of these dudes. Especially since they’re both on the DASR.
@@joshknix1866everything theyre involved in is super sensitive and takes place in countries we’re not even supposed to be in. You can be pretty vague when telling a story of a direct action mission but hard to do so when it involves SIGINT capabilities that require a TS to even hear about.
Hey man, it'd mean alot if you briefly talked about your time working with Conventional infantry units, pros and cons... we'd like to know where we stand. Your perspective on how the infantry needs to improve etc.. we dont get to work with alot of spec ops by design however we do look up to GBs and Rangers
I spent my whole career in SF, so I’m really not the person to provide valuable insight into anything conventional to be honest.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining understood, ♠️🤙
Could you go into detail on the SF schools? Are they only open to GBs, has there ever been a AFSOC guy in a SFARTAETC class? How does the Army's vs Navy's sniper course stack up? (I read Webb's whole book on it lol)
Excellent overview dude…
Nice shirt! Can you do a video on what dive school was like?
lol thanks. I’ll get spring to that one eventually.
the best video that came out!
Another question. So I've met a lot of other young guys going into SOF, it seems like a large portion of them just want to earn the "operator" status and look cool. Did you see a lot of GBs like that in your time? And do you think the regiment does a good job of getting guys who are in it for the right reasons and giving them meaningful work?
My biggest fear of going into SF if that I'll end up on an ODA with a bunch of dudes who just wanna post on instagram about how badass they are and we never actually do anything.
I talk about this same thing, to make it through the qualification course you need something rock solid as your purpose. All to the guys I saw that were in it because they think it’s cool or badass, none of those dudes make it through. Nobody in the regiment acts like that, that’s a SEAL problem, not for us. Vast majority of SF dudes are extremely humble and professional
Probably the most elite, is something we don’t even know about probably more highly selective than Delta.
Can you ever speak about the Jedburgh teams that were stood back up in 2014 I think? I heard they’re a joint agency force that focus on UW and have to be proficient in their language to get there.
As a commo guy, can you give your take on SOT-As you have worked with? It would make a unique vid to just give a cursory overview and your experience with them down range? Love the channel.
SOT-A and the 18E really don’t have anything to do with each other outside of being technical jobs. I have worked with them probably more than any other enabling MOS though so I could do a video on that potentially.
I feel like CCT’s and PJ’s are the only special operators who do things that Green Berets aren’t trained to do. But even then, if the Army and really wanted too, they could extend the training and train 18E to do what CCT’s do and they could also train 18D to do what PJ’s do, they already got all the medical knowledge if not more, they just don’t train to do rescues like PJ’s, from my knowledge at least.
We do a bit of it, I was. JTAC as an 18E, most our 18D can do a lot of PJ type stuff. But we are wayyyy less trained than they are in those specific tasks.
I would’ve either gone in as GB or CCT.
The force multiplier effect they bring to theater just excited me.
They’re like the mature daddies of the battlefield
The OP has talked about his experience with attending SOTACC. PJs medical training is as a paramedic, but their specialty is on the rescue, specifically the high angle methods. An 18Ds unique skill set is going to be keeping person alive while before reaching the next level care. This is a generalizes statement but think of PJs as the EMTs and the 18D as the trauma care/emergency room care portion.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTrainingthere are zero 18D’s that can perform the PJ task anywhere near as precise and efficient as
i was watching a Coast Guard video and my jaw dropped when i saw they had a SPEC OPS type unit that looked hardcore, they were doing some CQB on a ship.
Hey Nate, wondering if you've watched Jocko's 30 minute response to the Eric Demming interview and what your thoughts are on that. He released it titled as episode 434.5
Haven’t yet. The reality is only the people there know the truth. The issue for the SEALS is that this about the 10th one of them whose story’s are all bullshit, coincidentally it’s all the ones in the media constantly telling their stories. Not a great look for their unit in general.
I agree with the big picture. But I do think that people are too quick to believe the anti-Jocko rumors because he's a rich former SEAL. He's not the same as guys like Luttrell. A lot of what Demming says in his interview just doesn't add up, and some of his claims are simply untrue.
I'm an currently preparing for BUD/s because my father and grandfather were in the Navy. I couldn't see myself going anywhere else due to family tradition, hopefully I can make it through and the next generation can fix the reputation. My buddy was a PJ and that's something I would love to do, but I chose Navy.
Thoughts about our other JSOC units? The Intelligence Support Activity? Regimental Reconnaissance Company? 24th STS?
ISR I’ve worked with, not allowed to talk about, the other two I didn’t include because I have very little information on, haven’t worked with them personally.
You’ve got some of the best videos on reality of sof out there, thanks for keeping it real
Hey thanks bro. Some people like that approach, some don’t. I just tell it like it is.
😂
I think what you said is spot on but I’ve got some thoughts I’d like you to weigh in on. It seems like SF, because of their main mission set in Afghanistan, did a lot more day time operating and therefore a lot more of the “responding to long range enemy attacks” type thing. It seems Ranger regiment did more of the delta-ish night raid deals exclusively and therefore ended up in more close range engagements. Am I way off on that?
I did like 20+ night time raids in one deployment so… yea no. We operate whenever it makes sense tactically to do so. I also have valor awards for being in near ambushes at distances as close as 10 meters so, ya.
MARSOC was stood up just to get that SOCOM($$) gravy, They had (have) no mission other than more redundancy and overlap, gutted the Force Recon companies so HQMC could whore them out to SOCOM.
That’s a less nice way of framing it than I did lol.
Nope, marine corps fought it the whole way and secdef gave them no choice eventually. Stay in your lane bud
💯 Jeff M USMC occasional hero nuff said.
@@DrewishBearwas this under the guise of “all Marines are elite” aka a participation trophy?
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1)Marines generally don’t play nice with others..because others aren’t Marines
2)Big marine corps HATES anyone special, even though they are necessary. That “all Marines are special” is classic double speak..NO marines are special no matter how much you’ve suffered, succeeded, or proven yourself.
The Marine Corps is the exact opposite of a participation trophy organization. Don’t know where you got that impression but the MC eats it’s young as a matter-of-practice.
I’d have add a few to the Tier 1 department, like ISA and the 124th STS from the AFSOC side of the house. RRD as well, those dudes are total studs. But I think you nailed it otherwise 🤙🏻
I’m just a civilian but was wondering my what you thought of recon marines ? Are they even considered part of your community?
They’re a conventional unit.
Could we please get some stories from you and your buddies of your time in the teams?
Have you ever worked with RRC or the ISA?
The ISA yes. I was read though so literally can’t say anything about it.
What about the Ranger Recon Company? Did you ever work with those guys?
curious as well, not a lot is known about them publicly. Serious quiet professionals
They make up a fraction that goes into Delta from what I’ve heard, he must’ve forgot to rank them just under Green Berets.
I’m just glad CCTs got some love
They're a Tier 1 unit. They work alongside Delta, SEAL team 6 and DIA.
Very small unit that exclusively does deep reconnaissance, very good at it tho
Doubt he ever interacted with those guys considering their mission set but would be cool to here his opinion on them.
Can you do video about GB Mountaineer Team ? ?
I’ll get around to explaining each of the oda types here soon.
I had a Captain in 1st Ranger Bat. B Co. ( Cpt. Whitmire) who was a former Green Beret and said SF wasn’t all that it was cracked up
to be. But, that was in the 90’s.
Ya SF wasn’t all that back then. 1973-2000 were not great times for SF.
Out of curiosity where would you put Ranger Reconnaissance Company on here with them being a Tier 1?
How is SDAP for each of the units? think Marine Recon don’t get any. Only Marsoc.
Damn he roasted them. Jay Dorleus would laugh his head off seeing this ranking as he’s been roasting the SEALs lack of dealing with their bad eggs
Me and Jay talked about this exact thing actually. I went on his podcast a few weeks ago. Should be out soon.
Marsoc being the same is a good thing because when theres work theres never enough qualified bodies
for SF are correctional lenses a disqualifier? in the Marines and i want to figure out where i want my career to go
Not for SF. For Military free fall it is, but they’ll give you lasik for free so you can go.
Did you mention RRC or do you kinda bunch them in with regiment?
I don’t know enough about them to really separate them out side of the rest of RR to be honest.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining fair enough.
As a martial arts enthusiast i have a question, since you work alot with Korean and Japanese sof units can you tell us how much combative “exchange” between US and those units? ? ?
None, don’t lose your weapon
navy seal equals sailor that can jump out planes with a gun and do marine infantry stuff LOL... Just joking...not really
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Did you ever consider trying out for Delta?
Yea, but unfortunately I got injured pretty bad early on one of my combat rotations. Ended having surgery on both knees and my back early in my career. Pretty much put a damper on that, I wouldn’t have been able to get through selection after that for sure.
That’s a bummer. At leas OTC doesn’t exclude folks that’ve have prior surgery, you just self-selected not to punish yourself through that rigor to protect your body longterm
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining Any advice on preventing injuries?
Can you do an episode on the best special forces groups
Ya I could probably do that, be pretty biased though since I did my whole career in 1st group.
Folks saying 7th group is best cause it’s closest to home , the weather is nice, women there are friendly, they have lancero/commando school(best jungle school in the world), and the language required to be deployed there is already taught in most American high schools
You made a video regarding the “dark side of special forces.” While 75th Ranger regiment is not special forces, would you group them in with all the negatives about losing your family etc?
Some of it applies, however not the qualification course portion as Rasp is 8 weeks vs SF being 2~ years. They also don’t deploy as frequently as SF does, but the injuries, family life, mental health issues all pertain there as well.
Please do conventional military
I can’t really do this one much justice, other than basic training I did my entire career in special forces. Very little time spent with conventional units.
Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t most Rangers only go to Ranger Bat instead of SF because you have to be at least 20 to even go to selection in SF and Ranger Bat is mainly made up of privates, and specialists.
I believe rasp contracts are 18 and yes you have to be 21 (changes here and there) to go to SFAS.
Regiment is the only pipline for young men. You have to have time in service to get a chance for sf selection. At least at one time you had to be an E-4 promotable. And yes guys to go from sf back to regiment. Just not many. And if you've been in either you know why. Regiment rank structure and culture is setup for the younger men. As you progess thru ranks the job positions become scarce. One can't stay in regiment forever. Very few have gone from private to sargent major. The teams are comprised completely different. Dudes can except for their first enlistment make a career of sf. Might have to leave to get sm csm but one can easily spend twenty years in the teams and that is very rare in regiment.
@@jasonmcclure9571the 20th CSM of the Regiment just left to 10th mountain Division.
One would’ve thought that’s where his career would end. So you might have a point that opportunities or positions are limited.
I’ve also heard of a 46yr old making it to regiment Brian marx or so is his name, but I’ve never heard of a GB dropping his beret, to go back to don the Tan beret
@@1anreI've only heard of it on leadership levels, so going there to be in the brass
Or because they want to focus on DA. If you want the best guarantee to see combat outside of a tier 1 unit right now, regiment is the best place to be. I heard 3rd group and 5th group are still getting some combat, but the others groups, not so much.
What about SWCC
What about CIA “SAD Team” ? I know they aren’t a branch of the military but they seem pretty elite.
Are you referring to ground branch?
Not to be a know it all because I respect you and this list, 24th STS is the Air Force’s tier 1 component with guys attaching to Delta and DEVGRU. 160th is Army SOF pilots and aircrew/aircraft.
Already has been addressed in the description.
Off topic, have any SF guys written their accounts from the GWOT? I’d be really interested to read them.
What do you mean? Like written books?
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining yeah like published?
Similar video but for the foreign ones, did u include jtf2 Canada's tier 1
I already did that video lol. And yes I rated them pretty high in my video on foreign units I’ve worked with.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining I'm gonna rewatch it prolly missed mb
Canadian CSOR are the US’s Green beret equivalents.
They do the Triple A mission set pretty well too.
@@1anre good to know, but is jtf2 the counter part of Cag
@@boiboi467 100% and they do maritime job of SEALs too all combined into one.
They punch well above their size
💯 Jeff M USMC occasional hero nuff said.
I’m sure it was a mistake but 160th SOAR is not Air Force. He did say for the most part, but there have been soldiers who go from SF to the 75th. From what I can tell it seems to be mostly commissioned officers.
He hit on a good point that some units are considered special operations by virtue that they fall under a special operations command. Further even if in a special operations unit, doesn’t make someone an operator or even a door kicker. The 75th is compromised of soldiers from every MOS that is vital to the formation of an infantry battalion. There are many AF PJs that are assigned to conventional formations and only select TACPs serve alongside special operations roles.
Literally in the video description.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining either I missed it or it was posted afterwards. On cell phone screens a lot of the content is compressed and only shows if you expand it.
Great video and information!
I guess I am in the minority here *Former Marine). I have respect for each of our branches. But there is one in particular that needs a reboot in the worst way. We all know who they are. But the criticism on Marsoc can only be vetted by other Marsoc CSO's and people who have worked with them. It does get old to see the big army constantly looking down on the Marine Corps. It is the Ford Vs Ferrari analogy. I remember judging a super squad competition and being blown away at how well those young Marines performed. In the Okinawan hot sun no less. They genuinely impressed me. I can't imagine what Recon and Marsoc are capable of because Marsoc did not exist when I was in, and I was barely around the Recon Bubba's. I was a part of CIF in the pacific in the 90's. SF where the allstars and we were their cordon force. Their Sgt Major treated us well and gave us high praise. I can remember the ODA's laughing at us and asking why we were so hard on our guys (making them push when they dropped their weapon, ect ect). It was a totally different culture for them, but I do not remember any bad blood. We were happy to work with them. I cannot say the same for other branches and units. We were told to be lords of discipline when we cross polenated with them, but the "stupid Marine" comments got old, and I could only do so much to hold my guys back at that point. We have to understand everyone's role in this game and respect what we can and cannot do for each other. Yes, there are some units that need a complete leadership overhaul and to have their ego's checked, but at the end of the day, I will always let another soldier, sailor, airman and Marine drink from canteen any day, as long as they get in the fight.
what about the police special forces?
Spot on.
I realize SFAB isn't SOF, but still think it has its place. Mainly because if you don't have SFAB, and you don't have GBs doing that mission, then you just go back to us yokels randomly thrown back into it with NO training whatsoever for it.
When I was a PFC just out of fort sill, as FDC, with no knowledge whatsoever on advising anybody, I was lined up, separated from most of my other battery, and just told I would be doing an advising mission in Africa.
Then we didn't even learn any advising skills. We just did battle drills to prepare for it. I'm sure this made sense to somebody somewhere.
SFAB might not be GB level, but they HAVE to be better than I was as a private with NO relevant training. Hell NCOs with no relevant training would be better than a bunch of PFCs and SPC.
I would hope SFAB have been more proficient lately after getting their legs under them.
In Africa I once saw three CA guys in civilian clothes ride camels to some place out in the desert in Ethiopia. I thought that was kinda cool. It was literally not high speed, but it was different.
Like I said, I support the SVAB mission because I didn’t want to do it myself. It was the worst mission we had as GBs.
Riding camels with no GBs to protect them?
That’s wild
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraininghow does FID differ from the SFAB mission set?
Must the customer nation already have a SOF team the GB are going to train there?
What of training an insurgency who don’t even necessarily have skills that the regular army folk in that country already have? Should they be better suited candidates to train than bare bone folks off the streets that are used to build an insurgent force?
@@1anre It was Africa in the early 2010s. Where we were at nothing much was going on. Lemonier in DJ and other places were kind of just jumping off points for more serious things.
Both active and reserve CA/PSYOPS were pretty active there though. It seemed like maybe that is where they could be a main effort. Doing all the periphery stuff in an area this isn't exactly hostile, but not exactly friendly either. They would organize medcaps, emplace wells, build schools, do animal medcaps (sorry not sure what the term is here), etc.
It was like a way to show the populace that the US isn't dicks. Maybe not as well received by the governments as China's belt and road programs (those guys were everywhere in Africa) but while the governments liked China better, the winning the hearts and minds of the local populace was a clear W, for the USA.
I realize this isn't SF stuff, but it's better than what the average Joe is doing. Just being treated like an adult is a huge upgrade over most combat arms. Might not be case now, but it seemed like a sweet gig back then.
@@kimarhironso437 I understand you.
Did you go PsyOps?
1:22 I think the best evidence of Delta being #1 is the fact that we literally NEVER hear about Delta compared to numerous "Seal Team 6" missions disclosed (not long after they happened, for that matter). I think the whole "Seal Team 6 is the top unit" thing is like those times when the Mafia had a fake boss as a "lightning rod" and only insiders knew who was really running things.
RRC is greatly underrated, and VASTLY unknown, a Tier 1 unit as-well
I don’t even know anything about them, also like the only unit I mentioned I don’t know people personally in. Easier to talk about units like delta because I know a dozen dudes there.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining yea makes sense. I worked with them on a very wierd deployment up in Mez with them in Afghanistan and have a few buddies there now. Awesome dudes. They’re pretty much number one at any sort of recon mission, especially urban recon and deep cover type stuff in countries we’re not at war with. The training they receive after making it through the pipeline is also incredibly unique, they are wizards at photography, topography, and setting in urban hides, etc… I believe they are JSOC’s smallest unit as well
Mike Edwards on CZcams I believe is the only RRC guy I’ve ever real seen talk about the unit
how does the ISA compare to Delta and DEVGRU
Unfortunately having worked with them on a read on classified mission I cant talk about their unit.
We didn't call DevGru "The Jedi Knights" for nothing, bro. LOL
160th SOAR is Army Aviation. Also missed 24 STS.
What I say? Airforce? Meant aviation unit.
The CCT, TACP & PJ he grouped together all fall under 24 STS, he just didn’t mention the exact unit. But they’re Tier 1
What about air force TACP?
Not special operations.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining
Oh wow idk that, thanks man keep up the good work 👍
@@ajaylopez3135 naming conventions. JTAC, TACP, SOTAC (what I was) all names for the same job (sort of) but in different organizations.
US Air Force 24th special tactics tier one PJs
I thought Special Tactics Squadron is Tier 1
Based
People don't realize SF has Dive capability, my Dad's A-Team locked out a submarine into Grenada the night before, they were supposed to liaison with Seal Team 4 element that Helo casted into a sudden storm but they don't make the rendezvous, so my Pop's ODA split into two & proceeded the Op, which is a crazy story & night..a few Seals drowned & never found..R.I.P to all warrior's lost 🫡
It’s pretty well known that SF has dive capabilities.
@@AMZ19252 you'd be surprised
@@AMZ19252maybe in your world but not everyone lives in your world. I come across a lot of people who don’t know that even in the army you’d definitely be surprised
@@thedragon356 yes we are myopic at times. The Army has working divers also, 12D.
I’m sure the mission capabilities are more expansive, SF divers use dive missions as a vehicle. Rather than performing dive focussed missions. Brent Tucker speaks about it during his interviews
@@AMZ19252 right,combat diving.. for infiltration
I can get behind CAG > devgru but SF is no where near the vanilla seal teams lol I don’t think a single sf guy on CZcams has ever said that either.
Seals are the worst special operations unit. Just made an entire video on it, enjoy guy who’s never done it himself.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining I thought it came down to funding, training and mission type? Seals have more funding training and do more special missions than Marsoc, sf and rangers.
Well, let's not overlook the Navy SARC and Air Force "Special Reconnaissance" units as vital parts of the Special Operation Command.
Does he not know that the 160th SOAR is actually a U.S. Army unit? Not an AirForce unit like he claimed.
No way really? It’s almost like I already mentioned that I meant aviation unit in the description.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining most people don't read descriptions man. If you would have annotated that during the editing of the video, I wouldve known to look. My bad, didn't mean to make your booty hurt.
Now let’s be honest though majority of delta guys come from ranger batt Ranger produce alot of hard hitters fr it’s literally a whole squadron in delta that’s piled with just rangers
What’s the point of saying let’s be honest when you’re obviously clueless on the subject lol. Just because you heard someone say it on the Sean Ryan podcast doesn’t make it reality.
Seals get way overplayed and then way downplayed. The seal soldiers themselves are incredibly badass in my opinion but yeah there might be some leadership issues
I would say CCTs are probably the best. A single CCT operator will impact the battlefield more than anyone else.
Not by himself...their dependent on augmenting the A-Teams, Seal teams, & Marsoc
@@Frank-uw5xq same goes with anyone on any team. No one is going in alone.
@Tacoma411 I'm guessing you played too much football and got hit in the head too many times. Look at the video you're commenting on, no one is saying there is an absolute best, just having fun discussing who could be considered.
@Tacoma411 yes I said would as in if I had to pick, its literally what the video is on. Everyone knows they all excell where others don't. Talk about being dense.
AF Special Tactics are all enablers and force multipliers. There has been some talk about creating ODA style teams composed of all the AFSOC AFSC, I don’t see what role they would play that isn’t already filled by another branch. CCT (not sure about SR) is the only AFSOC AFSC that is uniquely special operations. TACP and PJs are both assigned to conventional units
I’ve argued that Delta was the best since the 1980’s. I was never impressed with run of the mill SEALs. I was impressed with SEAL Team 6. Furthermore, I think the Rangers are an incredible unit. But what do I know I was just a regular Marine Infantryman who was lucky enough to see first hand how the above units operated. I never saw Delta though. It as the 80’s and they were a mystery. I just knew they recruited from Rangers an SF primarily and they are great units.
Cant forget the AF 24th sts badest pj med teir 1
Did you call the 160th Air Force bro? Hit your head much?
Obviously meant best aviation unit. Already been addressed in the comments and description.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining fair, I didn’t finish the video..also have hit my head a bunch so I get it bro
@@DrewishBear but to answer your question, yes I’ve had my skull blasted more than the healthy amount
Delta force is no doubt the best because the founder of Delta force worked as a exchange officer with British sas and because of the training and experience he had with the sas, he wanted to create a unit that would be similar and thus Delta force was born.
Putting MARSOC above Ranger regiment in terms of effectiveness and actual track record is kinda absurd lol. Especially seeing as MARSOC was essentially kicked out of Afghanistan
Also late GWOT regiment was an entirely different animal that early GWOT
Most Batt dudes went SF because once their SL time was over they didn’t wanna go through the headache that is trying to take a a platoon, so they go SF. That and wanting a culture change,
But hey I’m bias
If we want to pretend that’s why so many rangers go SF then sure, whatever man I’ll jump in on the land of make believe with you.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining lol, I mean that’s what I saw my entire time in, either guys that didn’t fit in and doesn’t liked the (somewhat autistic) culture or dudes that were done with there SL time.
Mainly I’m just glad to hear someone finally out CA in their place, I never understood what the hell their purpose was supposed to be
@@ViktoriousDead like I said in the video, no knock on batt, all the dudes I know from
Bat are absolute studs. But a unit made up of predominantly 18-24 year olds is not going to be at the top of the food chain. If it was just culture or “not fitting in” you’d see the same thing with SF guys going to bat, but you don’t. In reality Ranger bat could easily have been placed above Marsoc, probably should have.
You mentioning the MARSOC incident just proves you don't know what you're talking about. Those allegations have widely been proven to be false. theres no 18x contract or option 40 for MARSOC all of those dudes were team leaders and squad leaders in the fleet and then were selected. If you worked with Raiders you would know theyre at the same level of proficiency as green berets, just not as utilized. Marsoc selection even has green beret instructors as part of the cadre.
@@NYRalltheway14 chill bro, I don’t really care that much.
I’ve met MARSOC dudes, they’re good guys, I’m saying as far as unit track records go, MARSOC is very new to this space.
They ran SF ragged in the ME and it was fucked up
Homie forgot RRC
A Aussie war hero and war crime whistle blower just got sentenced to 5 years jail. The SASR troopers and their commanding officers all walk free, it stinks
I'm pissed off and haven't even watched the damn video yet, AATW/DOL
lol
Jimmies rustled
Dislike that you ranked Ranger under a unit with no defined mission set.... but let's all unite under our hatred for CA and PsyOp!
That’s one thing we can all get behind 🫡
What are your thoughts of CIA's SAD?
Vast majority of those guys are former SOF guys in some capacity. I don’t know enough about there unit to have any actual valuable input though.
Nice shirt
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160th is not USAF?
Read the description.
MARSOC definitely suffers from misson overlap with SF but today they're on par proficiency wise and have distinguished themselves a little bit with anti piracy and VBSS. Theres honestly some marine corps infantry battalions that are as proficient as the 75th but thats contingent on leadership. Marine corps infantry training after boot camp, is now 13-14 weeks.
There is absolutely zero quantifiable way to suggest or prove that a conventional unit infantry battalion is “on par” with a SOF unit that’s don’t more direct action work and receives far more training than any conventional marine unit in small unit tactics, breaching, shooting, etc… you’ve GOT to be a boot marine that bought into your cadres nonsense. We are often OPFOR at marine mountain warfare, and comparing conventional marines to Rangers is an absolutely absurd argument. Majority of marine units are on par with the 82nd airborne but they routinely buy into their own propaganda, and someone now think they’re “as good” as SOF
I’ve worked with SF, with RRC, with CAG and know MARSOC guys, infantry marines are not on par with regiment or any of the above units in any way shape or form, except in their own minds.
We routinely TRAIN marine infantry units in CQB my dude
@@ViktoriousDead Whos we? The average competency of a marine infantryman has substantially increased since i've gotten out. Bridgeport is not a good indicator of how good a unit is at all lmao
@@ViktoriousDead Not suggesting in anyway that a victor marine unit is the same as SF or anything like that
No love for TFO and RRC boys?
One thing that’s not really mentioned (and I understand why because he’s not support) is that Rangers (and just about every units mentioned here EXCEPT green berets) got their support pipeline down. Used to be a Sot-A and I’m sure we all wished we have the kind of money and pipeline the Ranger Siginters have for like literally the past 2 decades. Every time something like that got stood up it got shot down by some beracists soon after. GB groups is just about the only SOF unit where any joes with an airborne tab can join (post covid you actually don’t even need one as HRC keeps assigning legs to us).
Also, hard agree on the seals, at least w/e unit is in SOCPAC. We used to meme hard about the CRF but I got to witness them trained once when they planned to colocate the seals and C-Co together (word on the street is because the seals got kicked outta Guam) and those dudes were like, scary bad.
Our biggest complaint about our support is exactly that. Not having a selection process and then giving those dudes S identifiers turns a lot of them into total shit bags. Bane of my existence while I was in.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining I get it. For the most part us siginters really try to police our own and make sure whoever we sent out represents, but manning is what it is and sometimes dudes we don’t particularly feel comfortable sending out otherwise get tasked.
And the funny thing about that S identifier is that it does fuck all for the supports in the grand scheme of things. At some point people would need to leave - staying in is actually just toxic to your career if you don’t have a tab. I was lucky - as a greenie I came into an office where all our team leads have years behind them AND they were ranked appropriately for their billet, so they get to retain that position until they leave, but I’ve seen other offices were the team leads were young junior NCOs (because they senior all came up on time) and then of course HRC would send SSG/SFCs in the office who has never been to SOF, not willing to learn and not willing to see that these other young kids knew the job and earned their spots. And then the office gets toxic really fast. It’s a vicious cycle, and funny enough you could see it reflects on the Gbs attitude for Sigint. Some thinks we’re the best thing since sliced bread, some think we’re absolute subhuman.
For whatever reason Group REFUSES to fix it. Every - and I mean every - senior siginter I’ve seen has brought up the issue with 1) Training and 2) Retention mechanism, and it’s always 1) we lack money or 2) something something manning and HRC. So here we are 🤷♀️
Can’t imagine it be any different for other support.
Also, before you start slamming that S identifier, when I was in there was a SFBCC-S cycle (the training meant to get dudes their S identifier) and the GB company commander lost his fucking gun twice 😂
couldnt' agree anymore with your opinion about the seals. If so called silent professional don't know how to keep their mouth shut for their fame, they are not a professional.
160th SOAR is Army.
Read the description.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining Ack'd. I didn't mean that as a dig, brother.
Delta smu the unit whatever they call it