Navy SEALs are the WORST special operations unit
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- Struggling from bad apples in the public sphere, botched missions and constantly bashing each other. Why the SEAL organization has struggled the last 15 years.
#greenberet #specialforces
Time for a little humor. Q: How many SEALS does it take to change a lightbulb? A: Two. One to change the lightbulb and one to write a book about it.
I heard that the hardest evolution in BUDS is the book-writing class lol
You wouldn’t make it a day in training. FACTS.
@@JohnDoe-rt2bz are u a operator ?
@@DameTYB who wants to know?
I’m a Navy wife. Got a job in a country I wont mention. Dated a tall lanky man for bit from one of the NSW communities. One of the local bars in this country was owned by a wife from the Navy, so the bar was kinda designed and had art work for Navy divers, Seals, Rescue swimmers and Eod on the walls and tables. I dated a rescue swimmer. One of the navy sailors skipped him when he went to take a leak. My guy, the rescue swimmer, who I was dating at time. Super nice, innocent and tall, ended up being bullied by some ghetto regular ship sailors,
Like 6 on 1. it was a 6-8 of them against just my man. Eventually the entire bar of seals, eod, rescue swimmers and divers man handle this Navy Sailor who does not know how to swim. They all decide to continually choke him out, while carrying him to the near by beach. While fighting off his friends. And the guy I was seeing at time, the 6’4 lanky rescue swimmer, swam him out. As far as he could as the seals, other rescue swimmers and eod stood by at the beach. Few divers too. This younger black sailor changed his mind and forgave him after a few head dunks that we could hear and see. And there was kinda a code. Like they’ve done this before. Never mess with a swimmer, they will swim you out while you’re unconscious.
The rescue swimmer ended up cheating on me. And I ended up marrying one of the seals. But that bar, the men, and the brotherhood and fun they had together was a sight to behold. The fact the guy I dated didn’t swimmer him so far out because he knew. The fact my date at the time brought him back, shook hands and bought this black sailor beers and shots afterwards. Its a code among these strong Navy men that I do respect. And I know they they wouldn’t have harmed him for sure, but its the fact a harmless man, carrying out a ghetto acting man into deep water and still respecting him that was something I really respected. Never mess with Navy Special warfare people I say.
@@DameTYB if he was an operator he would of had a book out by now 🤣
I’m a Recon Marine, and SOTG instructor and can tell you that the Seals shot them selfs in the foot by going Hollywood…
It has ruined their reputation and it's going to be years before they can get it back.
@@Amalgam67 according to who? The 🤡 brigade on CZcams? You don’t even have a “reputation” because you are a nobody. Get a clue.
There are levels to it, as a european I never like the cowboy attitude and the bad influence the hollywood seals had on the international SF scene. I am the last one who isnt into getting your hands dirty if needed but yeah dont bragg and make it a reall life video game with stats.
Besides all the hollywood stuff, all the sketchy and bodged missions, its the infighting, that is the next level...social media...or what is the reason?
@@westphalianstallion4293 WTF are you even talking about? You have never even met a Frogman much less worked with the SEAL Teams.
@@westphalianstallion4293 what's wrong with video game? What's wrong with count?
Back in the 90s, when I was in the AF, I did a triathlon and after the race a guy came up and started talking to me about the race. We talked for about 15 minutes and I could see he had several tats that looked like he had been in the Navy. He asked if I was in the military, and he didn't even respond that he had been in the military until I asked him. Turns out he was a SEAL in Vietnam and then we talked a little about it. Great guy, humble, and had no urgency to talk about his service as a SEAL at all.
and the only SEAL movie/book deal we haven't seen yet is one about how SEALS get movie/book deals while the rest of the silent professionals remain quiet.
By posting nonsense on CZcams they “remain quiet?” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂
There's a reason for that, seals are the 1% of the 1% of the 1%, I bet 75% of rangers and sf would never make threw buds, seals are the best of best
@@brendanrogers8195 those that go into ARSOF Programs do so because they know they would not make it through BUD/S; those same people are the ones making hater videos because it haunts them that they never had what it took.
@@brendanrogers8195 Truth. Those who pursuit ARSOF Careers do so because they could not make it through BUD/S, it haunts them to know they don’t have what it takes.
@@brendanrogers8195 You do understand that they al have different roles and missions, right? It's not like each branch has a football team or there are different leagues. Each type of unit serves a different role and is trained for that role.
The Navy has a weird culture, man. I can't put my finger on it, but even to this day I almost never find Navy veterans that I like. I was Army. I like 70% the Army veterans I meet. I almost never meet a Marine I don't get along with. I don't know what the Navy's problem is. Even before I joined the military and was looking at the Navy as an option, their recruiters were aholes and liars who got mad when you asked them any questions about the b.s. they were running to you
Different culture. Officer core driven, officers eat first, or dine completely separate from enlisted. Sort of lords and peasants mentality. It’s always been the worst branch in terms of leadership.
Former Navy Corpsman here. I can't speak for all Navy vets, but I do agree that it's tough to relate to the "fleet" Navy folks. Their role on board Ships is incredibly technical, specific, and they work their asses off. I think about the San Diego Sailor who basically lives in the best weather in the country but then has to work under neon lights and walk on steel/nonskid all day. Deployments are high tempo and active and a Sailor's life could legit be lived within the square area of a grocery store for workstation, chow, berthing, and repeat. It sucks man.
I'm grateful that was not my experience. I was attached to the Marines and the SEABEES when I was on a deployable rotation, so I was more of a ground-pounder who didn't have to live that way.
Lastly, GWOT Sailors don't have the war stories like Army and USMC so of course there's going to be some culture collision. At the end of the day we all earned the flag on our casket, and that's the ultimate unifier in my opinion.
@@Beefry222 Yeah, I've noticed there's no windows on those ships, and those people aren't allowed on deck during normal duty and they rarely see the sun. I can't imagine what it must be like to be a Marine on one of those ships. Must be like being an iron windowless prison. With Navy officers, then enlisted Navy, then Marines at the bottom of the pecking order. Last to eat, last to use the showers, last to use the gym and everything.
@@Beefry222 well said, sir
Indeed. Got alotta Army and Marine buddies. They're a blast! Also, Marines throw down during a fight.
All there is to say about Gallagher is other operators on his team thought he was crazy and bloodthirsty, even by their standards; The most reasonable interpretation of that is, he was going beyond the pale of accepted norms and mission parameters into unsanctioned butchery, even by the standards of men who are paid trained professional killers, who are given the greenlight to kill as they perceive needed on the mission. That says everything.
I'm not a huge fan of the SEALs in general, but the other team members testimony fell apart during cross examination at Gallagher's court martial. IIRC the only thing he was convicted of was taking a picture with a dead Iraqi. Also in the same picture were all the other SEALs who had been given immunity.
It seems like the Air Force spec ops guys are the quietist professionals out of the bunch.
There’s not very many of them, that helps on that front.
In SERE school we were told we would be "kicked the fuck out" if we behaved like this...I believed them.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining How do you feel about them then?
@@thediner8929 I worked with CCTs more than any others. Always had one attached to us on our combat rotations. Fucking awesome dudes. At least all the ones I had. Incredible at their jobs. That’s why I ranked them as high as I did SF in me video talking about all the US sof units.
John Chapman saga tells you all you need to know about the difference between “super men” and SEALs. First MOH caught on video and it was covered up until the Air Force investigated. Oh yeah and they left him for dead and called in an air strike.
Had a good family friend who was on one of the early A teams in Vietnam, early 1960’s. When he got out, he was at Ft. Devans MA, he then retired to St. Petersburg and worked at the VA , very humble man, a great man. Never sought recognition or even spoke about what he did. Maybe the greater lesson is the service to a cause bigger than yourself/ ourselves. He was a great man.
Former 1st Ranger Batt from the 80s, here. I always thought they were over hyped but after seeing the John Chapman drone footage and reading the story in several accounts all I can say is that team, at that time, made horrific decisions. Even the most green Ranger knows that if you're doing a recon mission you never, ever land on your OP....NEVER! And this was SIX?!?!? Giving an MOH to the man who decided to do that and then the navy doing everything possible to stop the truth from coming out is nothing more than admitting guilt under the table. If Slab was a true warrior he would have never left a fallen comrade and would have refused the medal.
1st batt from the 80’s? Were you with the boys at Grenada, or Panama? A mentor of mine was 1st batt at Panama when they raided the PDF controlled civilian airport while the guys from 2nd raided the military airfield. The old Rangers are as gangster as it gets.
The thing that I am always cognizant of, is that Army and Marine top tier units have a heavy population of Grunts. Taught from day 1 the basics and trained up from a foundation of basic infantry skills. Even after passing through Camp Darby and Camp Mackall, those basic fundamentals were still a huge part of my day to day skill set.
SEALs work in their Navy maritime jobs until passing through their selection process and then train to gain their skill. from the basic to the advanced. Always wondered how much the difference played in their mission performance.
@@KidOChaos Nope, I missed a combat scroll and a mustard stain but I was there from 84-88. Loved every second of it.
@@samrester6254 you have no clue what you are talking about. Most SEALs have not spent a single day in the Fleet Navy. It is damn near impossible to get to BUD/S from the fleet circa 2024. A SEAL operator spends more time in special operations than any other counter part in the DOD. LandWarfare and Assaults are integral skill sets throughout the career of a Frogman.
@@JohnDoe-rt2bz and “land warfare” and “assaults” aren’t standard practice for any other SOF unit?
I'm sure Brent Tucker (Former SF and CAG) has questioned Tim Kennedy's story about him saying how many people he evacuated from Afghanistan during the withdrawl being an exaggeration.
Ya Tim is unique in that space. Other than that it’s not a thing.
@@Krakatawa84 you are the one who needs to get facts straight. Brent Tucker was a former Delta/ CAG and guests a lot of podcast. Check also his FRCC homepage if you do not believe us.
@@Krakatawa84he's a former DELTA/CAG....take some research before you even say "get your facts straight".
Check FRCC home page, it shows his biography.
@@mikhacoffman4522 What?
Hey @@ValhallaFirearmsTraining I just have a question out of curiosity I like both communities Army Rangers and Green berets but the question is do they receive identical skills in terms of Direct action combat like CQB type stuff????
Love the new setup! Looks very much more professional! Keep up the videos, super entertaning, and informative.
Thanks brother, kudos goes to my wife lol. I got a few more things to do to finish it still.
Can’t tell you how much a lot of us in SOF appreciate this. You’re doing the right thing. Some of us don’t fully agree with the Seals tactical ability but that’s definitely an experiences vary scenario. Just an AAR Point. That said thanks again man!
I have met two Vietnam veterans who were U.S. Army Special Forces. One of which worked Mac V Sog Recon Teams. He never said it. I had to piece it together with information i got from him, and reading books about Mac V Sog. Another person if have met, who is a good friend of my dad. Worked on the Phoenix Program. Simply because he still had written orders from when he was in Vietnam.
None of these men are out spoken. These men did their jobs in the shadows, never really talked about it till at least 20+ years later.
I even had the privilege of meet the last living Iwo Jima Flag Raiser. R.I.P. Mr Charles W. Lindberg. Who i got a signed and autographed photo from.
None of these men were very outspoken from what i saw.
Sir filipino here, you said you had worked with the PNP SAF, do they know how to do weapons manipulations, fast entries? Modified highs and modified low readies?
They’re trained by U.S. special forces teams all the time so they are fairly proficient.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining cool, if you don’t mind me askin’ sir, when was the last time you got to train them? I’m an aspirant of that unit, and surely I’ll boost up that unit’s skill in the future👍🏼👍🏼
@@Krakatawa84 2016 was the last time I worked with them, so it’s been a little while
If someone starts off in the army or marine corps by the time they are ready to apply for a special operations units there is a very good chance they would have combat experience maybe numerous tours specially during the GWOT and they may have already performed a special operations role for instance in recce platoons in their parent unit but a navy SEAL could go from being a sailor doing a FOD walk-down on a carrier to being on the ground in Afghan performing a special operations role in very challenging conditions in a relatively short time having never been shot at before. I don’t know any other way to say this other than - It gets real very quickly in Afghan.
I don’t want to seem like I’m lessening the contributions made by sailors on ships but very different job and surroundings.
So my point is sometimes in rare occasions there can be inexperienced seals in the wrong place at the wrong time and that’s when things go wrong.
I was in the British Army , I served in Afghan during Veritas/Fingal in 2001/2002 and Herrick 8 in 2008 so I’m basing my opinion on this subject based upon interactions and conversations I had with US forces both there and in Iraq. If I’ve got any of this wrong or I have made a mistake please tell me and I will adjust my comment and apologise.
What are those 2 certificate on the left side of the wall about? The Japanese SOG certificates. In Japan, there are only few pictures of them in public and we don't know about them.
I too would like to know more about the shadowbox and wall certs. What's that metal thing in the shadowbox
Love the new setup 🔥
Thanks brother 🫡
Jealousy is so ugly These guys act like they are better than any other unit My respect for these guys that just talk crap on each other has diminished so much Egos and jealousy are a bad combo
Cant critique war crimes dude its not very marine like
I don't think the guys out here talking are jealous. They've tried the quiet professional route and reported to the higher ups but honestly when leadership isn't interested in what is right and more what makes money & perpetuates the "BRAND" then the only other way to quash bad behavior is bring it to the court of public opinion. That's how they were able to get Chapman's Medal of Honor pushed through and get the truth about his heroism for public consumption. In my opinion, worthless as it is - I think it's worth paying attention too.
Most people I watch talk about the tiers and how elite units are based on funding, training and missions. From what they say seals/ devgru have more funding training and better missions than marsoc, SF and rangers. Devgru is maybe equal to or just under CAG in those 3 requirements. Are those points wrong?
Tiers are pretty much based on how the funding works, for whatever reason people assume because they’re labeled as “tier” that it assumes a rating or skill level, which it does not.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTrainingThey believe that because it’s sort of true. Yes, the the difference between say tier 1 and everyone else pertains to funding, but there is still a more demanding selection process SMs need to go through in order to get to that tier.
@@andrewwhite8586 Difference between tier 1 & 2 is that tier1 focus more on dynamic CQB, hostage rescue and psyops. Everything else(interms of skills/tactics) is the same.
Dude you are the first one that I have listened to that spoke DIRECTLY about what has happened on some of these missions and how they are characterized...and you are spot on. I was a 71Lima...an S1 desk jockey at an Ord Group. Some of the older guys that were now out of the field often spoke about the difference between hindsight and being there and not the same. We don't know.
In my opinion I I think it has to do with the leadership and cover-ups. (You can Google whatever cover up you want to), My opinion as to why the the retention rate is down.
should people considering to go seal stray away from it then or move towards it and attempt to change it for the better ?
You won’t change it from the bottom up..the problem is leadership not the quality of dudes selected
Hey bro like your channel i am a big fan of anything military kinda of a nerd at it tried to join the army in late 2008 but could not join for adhd and high blood pressure .
Love the content. Keep the truth in space.
4:22 that's a really bad take my guy. There's a difference between war and war crimes. If your video is about accountability well then you have already lost credibility with that statement alone.
Again, people like you’ve who never fought in one’s opinion is irreverent.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTrainingthe man is correct I did serve and I grew up in a war zone. When you kill civilians you create terrorists. The green berets function was to train indig so the fact that you aren't conscious of this is baffling to me.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining I myself have fought in one's opinion on many occasions and I don't feel irreverent. 🤣🤣
Gravy seals gonna be mad bout this one
Would love to hear your thoughts on PTSD/operator syndrome. Is this something you experienced much of? Or was it easier for you than it is for others?
Also would love to hear your thoughts on the tongo tongo ambush. Did you know any of those men personally? and as a green beret how did that impact you and your peers?
Thank you for serving our country and thank you for the content! 🇺🇸
Well I have both lol. And no it was not easier for me, because went through years of behavioral health therapy for my issues. As for the Niger ambush, there’s a lot of lessons learned there. I’ve been in an near ambush of that nature myself, and ya it’s not a great situation.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining thank you for the honesty and the reply.
How about being proud of your service? No matter what you did? I went to Afghanistan for 1 short deployment in 2002-2003, just a small cog in big wheel, did my duty.
Respect!
This channel exist for the soul purpose of shitting on those they envy. It is transparent in every way.
Well said
@wd2romeo, every day grunts do the majority of the heavy lifting. Fuxck all the SF hype and bullshixt.
@@user-tu3bs9xu4s Correct. That is why infantry centric Army and USMC have zero need for SOF. If infantry can’t do it then there are already SEa Air and Land Commandos who have completed the toughest military training in the world that do the work that doesn’t require a lot of men in the field; and they are qualified to DIVE, MFF, and utilize DEMO. ARSOF is completely unnecessary.
I was in the Navy 1982 to 1988 based at North Island Naval Air station right down the road from the seal training camp and every morning I would drive the strand to the base and you could see the seals in the Pacific Ocean on their backs while the wave crashed over them or a larger group with a log over their heads running down the beach and back then they were a great group of men that got the job done. I was with VS-41 and VS-33 AZ2 two west pacs.
Would u ever go on the Shawn Ryan show or do an interview with anyone about your career?
I’ve done 3 podcasts, The Team House, Green Beret Chronicles and The Former action guys podcasts. Lots of people ask me if I would go on Shawn’s podcast but I’m yet to receive an invitation lol.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining no shit I just looked up the one from the former action guys podcast and I remember watching that interview but I didn’t recognize you from then compared to now lol
@@ValhallaFirearmsTrainingI think that would be a really interesting conversation to have with him. Honestly i think hed probably be receptive to your POV on this subject
I feel like SR does a good job representing their community
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining ask him if he's still "communing" with that bug. He knows the one 😊...
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining I don’t think Shawn has any interest in doing a podcast with a shit talking Meth Head.
SEALs reason why they failed was allowing Steven Seagal as a SEAL on a movie when hes a D- actor.
Lone survivor they lost that mission as soon as he released those prisoners he had. They we’re his best bargaining tool .
This has been going around since I was in 30 years ago. They have terrible leadership issues and a lot of people saw this coming years ago. There are stories of SF and Recon Bubbas in Vietnam that didn't want to work with them either. It perplexes me why they even exist. I know that there may be a lot of good guys in that organization, but if the top doesn't get its act together, then the rest of the teams won't either. The simple fact is EVERY SOF unit has had infractions, they just do a better job at keeping it quiet.
So was your point in this video to say SEAL's should stop putting BS stories(books, movies) and figures (kyle, lutrel) into the public eye OR they should just shut it publically, not call anyone or anything out because it hurts special operations?
At the start your point seemed to be the former, which I would certainly agree with but then at the end it seemed to be the later, which i dont understand because in that case it will remain rotten and continue to cause damage albeit under the radar?
Both.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining I thought that would be your answer (and appreciate you taking the time), in which case how does it then get fixed?
As this is already a public issue it will need to be resolved in that forum to effect any change. Or are we just hoping and waiting leadership will change and effect cultural change from the bottom up?
Sorry for all the this and that's but I don't see how getting everyone to stick a sock in it at this stage helps, in fact the rot will probably set in more and become generational rot if it isn't burned out now even if it is nasty and public.
Anyway enjoy the content generally just don't see how people being quiet on genuine issues does anything but make this worse long term.
Great video and very enlightening! All respect to you sir, and I realize you do work for a living! Lol.
Dude you need to let Jay from GB Chronicles know, he's setting a real bad example for SF reputation with his anti-Jocko vids. Making Green Berets look like jealous gossip spreaders. Not a good look
If Jay was doing all of the talking and making those claims and accusations himself I could see your point. But, he's not he brought on a SEAL to talk about another SEAL. He just provided the platform because Eric Demming doesn't have one. Jay even mentioned how he messaged Jocko to tell him about Eric and his claims and he got no response.
@@Jay15523 I understand your point, but the act of providing the platform, posting the videos without vetting the claims, and then titling the videos as he did, he's fully complicit. Deming isn't the one making the titles to Jay's youtube videos. Jay wrote the titles without any nuance and he is also the one profiting from the views.
@@Jay15523 When Jay titles his video "From One Shot to 36 Marine KIA: The Full Story Behind Task Unit Bruiser Catastrophe" he's making the accusation. He's the one who typed the words and clicked upload.
@@ExtraRice365 I can see that side of it. I still don't think that causes some significant harm to the GB reputation overall though. People can call Jay a gossip spreader if they want and he's retired now so he wouldn't care either way lol. This whole thing with the SEALS has took off so much though I think that's where most people will have their attention. We'll see how things go.
@@ExtraRice365 And yeah with the titles of the video that's the CZcams game you gotta play unfortunately if you want your videos to stand out in the algorithm.
It started with Marcenko writing his books about being a seal. Red cell.
From what I understand, there isn't much of a requirement to get into the Seal's course (passing it is another thing). SF and Delta is very hard just to be accepted to try out and you have to have made E5 first. Delta is crazy hard to get into.
"Buy my coffee enema book program?"
Tbis coming from the guy who has his medals listed on his CZcams channel bio This you wish u got the book deals and movie deals So many ppl have had posts about red wings failure We get it You aren’t better than any of them Sorry bro Doing this makes u look terrible
I at least like how Jocko provided the MACV-SOG dudes a platform to do podcast
I’ve got no idea if Jocko is a good dude or not, just used him as another example of them shitting on each other.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining Based on what Eric Deming and the Marines are saying, Jocko probably isn't the good guy we all thought he was.
@@yashjoseph3544 What "Marines" are you talking about lol?
Eric Deming is hard to take seriously, anyone who actually listens to Jocko's podcast knows that he never even said a ton of the things that Deming claims he said. Not to mention the "anonymous letter" is ridiculous haha
@@yashjoseph3544 I actually did some research myself. Deming claims that Ramadi was under control in 2005/early 2006 before TU Bruiser arrived, and that Jocko and his SEALs made the situation worse. If you look at the news on Ramadi from 2005 onwards it will tell a much different story
@@ExtraRice365 Green Beret Chronicles has a new podcast in which Eric Deming and two Marines address Jocko's most recent podcasts. One is the Marine who wrote that letter regarding Leif Babin, the other worked alongside Task Unit Bruiser in Ramadi. That's who he's talking about.
Seals exist for only one reason
"Hey kid! Are you tired of living with drug addicts in Northern Philly? Well come sign up and become just like the action heros!"
Operation Red Wings controversy reminds me something similar around "Bravo Two Zero".
Hey man! Been loving all your videos!!!
Can you do one on an SF K9 Handler? Would absolutely love your perspective on that. I heard those guys are always working, and have like a mini-selection to be able to do that. Sounds legit
Thanks bro. We always had dogs on the team for combat operations, but I honestly don’t know much about the backside of it. What the course or training entails and what not. I’m not the best person for that information.
Check out Mike ritland if ur into k9 spec ops
Look up Trent Mcdonald. He was a handler with the regiment.
@@patricklaurojr7427 Mike Ritland the Navy SEAL? I’m sure this channel will poo poo all over that recommendation.
@@JohnDoe-rt2bz why ritland is cool as fuck
it seems like people are kinda sick of many things that had their popular run this past decade. seals as a brand, marvel movies, people want something new now.
Nice product placement in the thumbnail 😂😂
what's your favorite Truly flavor?
Man there’s so many of them lol. This is from the red white and tru pack, I like those ones pretty well.
Don’t forget about the John Chapman cover up!
I love the use of the old SOG emblem with your ODA. I was unaware how teams still use variations of the emblem until I went to the small SF museum on Bragg.
If you have any book recommendations by SF dudes I’m all ears. I know the Jack Murphy debacle is highly controversial, as well as his book. I liked the interview you did with his podcast! Curious as to why Jack wasn’t on the interview though 😂
What’s the thing on the center of your plaque board behind you?
Green Berets had the first movie and it was a masterpiece! Taught me all I needed to know about VC booby traps.
How much do you think stolen valor tarnishes the SEAL reputation? I think it’s fair to say that they are the most affected by it
Those fellas never stop, “Where’s” Marcus, “crime time” Eddie, “bump stock” Chris, “Calamity” Jock, “Pinocchio” Rob……..
Recondo here. As Marines, we always joked about the SEALs being the surfer dude types. That’s spot on, in my experience in working with them.
Swift silent deadly brother.
@@bradleygonzalez1160 Arrruugaaa!!
I was also in the Corps and we never joked about them at all. Straight cap
@@duaneacarterii What is "straight cap?" And what was your mos??
@@barrysoetoro7835 he is calling you out for the liar you are. There are many Marines who have made their way into the SEAL Teams, and even more who could not get through BUD/S. There is a reason they all wanted to be Frogman.
The Navy SEALs attacking each other started with the book Good To Go. Good To Go was written by a Vietnam veteran Navy SEAL. He made up a bunch of lies about other Navy SEALs making them into cowards on the Vietnam battlefield. They sued him and got the money he made on the book. You can look it up because their were news articles about it on the internet.
Other than seals and green berets, whats entry level?
Any AFSOC, Force Recon, Ranger
The hardest phase of Seal Training is "How to Negotiate a Movie or Book Deal" if you fail that, you are out! (Joke)
Question:
How do different SF teams differ culturally? Like I'd assume different ODAs are relatively similar within their theatre but I wonder how different they may be between things like different theatres
If they separate them by teams and stuff too (dive, mountain etc.), I wonder if there are also differences in culture between those
Really varies team by team. Was on 3 different ODAs throughout my career, two had very similar cultures, one was quite a bit different. Not all teams are created equal, some are really good, some not so much.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining I see, that's pretty interesting just how y'all can be quite different internally speaking
The good seals should trash the bad seals, isn't it a "referendum of all the special forces".
I was in B Co. 1 st Ranger Bat in the 90’s. My CO was Green Beret qualified and spent 5 years in SF. He said that SF wasn’t all that it was cracked up to be, and said the Rangers were the best SpecOps this side of Delta. So much for your pretends that no GB’s go to Ranger Bat. I’ve known numerous Rangers who said they’d go SF only before they retire. And, I can’t tell you how many fat butt Green Berets I’ve seen. Not impressed hero.
Sure you were dude 👍
I think the Rangers are by far the finest unit in the Army. Extremely well trained, extremely disciplined, extremely motivated, and their NCO's and Officers are excellent. They remind me of Marine Infantry. I am biased, I think the USMC is the finest military organization in the world due to their motivation, training, and combined arms expertise, esprit de corps, leadership, and general ethos. Semper fi. Rangers Lead The Way!!!!
I once was highly motivated to become a Navy SEAL. I fell in love with Spec Ops. I am now pursuing Army SOF. The reason is that Navy SEALs are too glamorized for me. They have a reputation for boasting and bragging, but other SOF regiments have the same capabilities. Great points.
You would have never made it through BUD/S, don’t kid yourself.
@JohnDoe-rt2bz plus it's overmanned. I was in the navy and I was an undesignated seaman before I picked up for OS. Learn from my mistakes and don't join the navy. Go in the army or air force.
@@UltimateLimitless678 what is overmanned? BUD/S? NSW? The OS RATE has nothing to do with either.
Well then you can buy your ODA buddies another beer while the girl leaves the bar with a SEAL😉
@@JohnDoe-rt2bzSo if it’s “overmanned,” is it not worth joining the Navy just for NSW?
Like law enforcement, a few bad apples give everyone a bad name.
So you're making a video full of vague and unsubstantiated insinuations, but [youre] "not here to ..."
I like the channel man.
It’s wild how US public perception/propaganda has overblown aspects of SOF, and and at the same time other aspects/units are completely understated. One in particularly is RRC, one of the only (maybe THE only) Tier one unit that is still very much quiet about what they do and what they’ve done, until very recently with Mike Edwards, possibly to a fault
It helps having your base in San Diego helps with the marketing I guess. Easier drive to Hollywood.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining lol maybe so
Hollywood-type boys 💗 Navy-type boys
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The best thing ever for miliatary recuirment was the release of Call of Duty Modern Warfare games.
Facts, this isn’t talked about enough. The military has a whole department dedicated to funding and influence in movies and video games.
I mean shit, I was asking for Option 40 when I went into the recruiter’s office after playing MW2 lol. Ultimately ended up signing an 18X contract after doing more research into the mission sets.
Hey Nate, just found your channel. I especially like the we are quiet professionals not silent professionals. I was with 2/504 PIR , we operated in Khost province, set up FOB Salerno in fall of 2002. We did have some SF guys there, all class act pro’s. Also you guys taught us CQB tactics at Bragg before we deployed. Many thanks. Keep up the fire.
Ya not many people understand the difference. I traveled through Salerno a few times, most the operating I did was throughout Kandahar/Uruzghan and Khaz Uruzghan though.
This makes me proud to be going into what I am! 18X shipping out in 3 months. Super ready and excited to get after it. Been loving your vids!
Hell ya good luck bro.
You and the rest of the girls in SF.
@@JohnDoe-rt2bz uh oh. Who upset the I-would-have-joined Seal
@@user-rm1rc9ml7p cry harder lil girl!😆
Is it true the SAS are currently better than Delta Force? I feel like Delta force must be better than the SAS because of funding but alot of people seem to disagree because they say the SAS has a harder selection with a higher attrition rate
Let’s see. A unit that draws form all the best combat operators with an insane amount of combat experience over the last 20 years vs a unit that hasn’t seen combat in almost 15 years. Who do you think is better? That’s a joke comparison, the British SAS aren’t even better than American SF.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining you just clowned yourself with everything you just said, they clearly don’t teach humility in the green berets
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining pffffyyyyyyyypffyyyyyyttttyyyy,,,,,pfffffffff
No even close to being true. Only the British or the deluded say stuff like that. Plus CAG's attrition rate is equal if not more. And considering that all the participants are already hardened SF, Rangers and other units that rival the SAS, it says alot.
CAG is unrivaled, pioneering technology and tactics, leading the way in this field for the last 40 years. As Mark Urban puts it, "when the SAS were at their most lethal, there were in the style of Delta"
Sine Pari dude- without equal
I was just a regular 11B Grunt and even in Regular Army, we keep our mouths shut. For the most part at least.
When I was in the Marines, everyone who worked with SF, Marsoc etc had great things to say about them but seals everyone said were really not that great. Lacked discipline and a lot of basic skills required (patrolling, any tactics out side of CQB etc)
Same, got out last year and there was a training event involving green berets and marsoc and seals, they all went through the same situation with us as opfor, green berets and marsoc annihilated us, seals were pinned down for 30 min😂that being said, in real life they definitely would have fucked us up or any enemy unit in that position
@@boricua1151I will take “shit that never happened for $400” Alex!
@@JohnDoe-rt2bz Yet it does...ALOT! Just ask people that have worked with many different organizations. Reports of SEALs in Afghanistan & Iraq not knowing basic land nav. Where there's smoke, there's fire.
@@REB4444 suuuuuure buddy, what ever you need to tell yourself to get that COPIUM FIX.
Damn a navy seal that lacks discipline is crazy to me!
To be fair there’s quite a few green berets and others that have called Tim Kennedy out, or Tu lam, or Mike Glover, or even Tony Cowden... the seals aren’t the only ones calling out their own.
One dude said one comment about Tim. Not the same even if you want it to be.
I will never be in the SF community, so please take this with a grain of salt. Personally, if I absolutely had to write a book, it would just make it historical fiction. Something like Hunt for Red October, it sounds real, but it is very obviously fiction.
I totally believe Jesse the body Ventura.
2005-2006
Worked and supported Hillah Swat and the ODA. True professionals.
2008
Al Diwaniyah
Seal team guys were cocky and pretentious. ODA guys were always very professional.
Its always been my view that Seals have that long training pipeline because they are sailors. They need that long training to get to the standard.
The only unit that I truly was shocked was the 75th. I saw those guys at NTC. I have never seen such speed and violence of action.
I don't care if this dirt comes out, as long as it's the truth.
From inside, Exactly right. From outside, Civies LOVE what they think is a peek inside.
Trolling gets views. And when you have no game just troll.
Ha! I’m not here to trash …but…
I meant literally 100% of everything in the video. That’s not trolling.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining Trolling successful big names is 100% effective at increasing views.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining you are a troll. Bottom line. Go do something productive.
People are saying now that Marcus left some of those guys to die as being the real story? Either way, it's all bad. There were so many lives lost on that one mission.
I agree with this, as with most things you say. Except for ranking Marsoc above Rangers haha but I get the argument was about capabilities not effectiveness
I know Rangers want to believe they’re at the top of the pile. I get it. It’s just not the case. No force made up predominantly of 19-25 year olds is going to be.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTraining Fair point
@@ValhallaFirearmsTrainingthey were the most effective during the gwot
Also the John chapman incident.
One of my grandfathers was a green beret during the war in Vietnam, my other biological grandfather was a marine during the same time. They were both studs who went on to do incredible things in life after their military service. When it was my turn, I chose the marine corps based entirely on the fact I knew enough about it going in. I knew what the job was, where I’d end up and what I’d be doing. The soldier hardly ever talked about his experience in the military, aside from a few funny stories. The leather neck was very open and honest with me growing up, he answered all of my questions no matter how hard it was to talk about. Maybe I’d of gone the other way, but I ended up an 0311 with 12 years of service and I’m very proud of that. I think you’re totally right, maybe the SEAL teams are over exposed and the rest of SOF is entirely underexposed. The more of the quiet professionals I see on the internet debriefing about their experience doing the work, the more I hear my young nephews talk about being a green beret, or a PJ, or a JTAC. The rangers have gotten their exposure through history, just like the marines have. Y’all just need a little time and the retention problem will solve itself.
Ventura sued the publishing company. Kyle’s widow didn’t have to pay a dime.
What’s your fucking point? My point is they made a huge spectacle about it in the public eye, which they did. Who gives a fuck “who” he sued.
In my opinion, if a unit messes up here and there, could be the fault of the troops most likely, but when things continually keep on happening, I’d have to point the finger at the commanders for the most part.
No, especially in SEAL community where the enlisted rule the roost & officers are treated like temps. It's all on the Chiefs & Master Chiefs that have allowed this to happen and the officers that are trying to too hard fit in because they're not considered operators or respected by the troops and want to be one of them and overlook the bad things they do because of it.
Your cognitive dissonance about the shit show that is ARSOF speaks volumes.
Theyre marketing is crazy, i worked out with a few guys in my area wanting to go SOF almost all of them 8/10 wanted SO contract only me and 1 other guy out of 10 are going Army 18x and op 40
Justice for Logan
RIP to John Chapman operation anaconda. Can’t forget about that botched devgru op.
My dream to have a wall like yours lol
Ha! That’s only one wall of it man. It spans onto the one next one too. I’m thinking about doing a video where I go through all of it and explain what it all is.
@@ValhallaFirearmsTrainingI’ll explain it…it’s girl training!😆
Well said...that's all. Well said!!
He knew exactly what he was doing with that title…
Author Team Six, move in
Can non-SF(Green berets) personnel go to 18 series MOS course only? I heard few SOF personnel (Marine Raider and 1st SFOD) went to 18 series MOS course or entire q course. And, can you get SF tab just by going through 18 series MOS course? Thank you.
No, you cannot get a tab just by going through mos phase. Sometimes other sof dudes will go through certain training…
@@thegreenberetlife0191 yep - SEAL medics often go to SF medic training or to the SF run Foreign Weps Course, the latter which was excellent. I had my entire platoon go through it. French weapons were especially - curious - but were all over West Africa. Worked with 3rd Group back in the 90's when ST-8 was geo-assigned to Africa. Good guys, except, the "punked me" with a street schwarma one day...lol!
Shout out to Buck at the FNG Academy hes a real one!
Lol I can't believe I went to basic with this dude forever ago
How about the one before operation redwing? The one they have a predator feed of a team guy that was left alone alive after taking a mountain n two machine gun nests! It’s unreal!
question. How do u think Dick Marcinko feels about what the SEALs has become in terms of Hollywood. Ik he had a videogame out but i feel that was done bc he was being indicted to fund Marcinko's defense team. My pops grew up being good friends with Marcinko in NJ and followed him into the military, intelligence and SF communities, n pops was a silent professional in terms of u prolly know what he did but not that he was who did it.
All my friends and pops friends who are SEALs (i know two personally) are very quiet professionals, one was my former babysitter the other was my pops friend who got shot in the face in dallas. Pops feels as anything SF related it should be left up to the govt to disclose operational details, and he and his SEAL friends and SF friends that are his age, and even my old babysitter who was a SEAL hacker, all feel that if the operation itself gets declassified thats fine but theres no reason to be hollywood about it... so i wanted to know ur opinion on what u think the dude who started all the SEAL shit, Dick Marcinko thinks about the hollywood antics? Amongst the personal friends and family i have in intelligence and SF the consensus seems to be he wouldnt approve of it.
They are typically younger men i think this has alot to do with it
Yes, I agree. It has more to do with there leadership. The Navy Seals are a lot more lax in comparison to The Army Ranger's where it's very strict regiment and high standards.
In the Shawn Ryan Show Eddie Gallagher revealed that in his Mosul deployment the “new guys” Seals in his unit performed poorly. They refused to go out on mission, complained that the fighting was “too hard”, want to spent more time on base.
So what were they expecting? How can you go to war and expect the fight to be easy? I am just a civilian that has never been to war, and I wish to remain like that until I die, and even I wouldn’t go with that mindset.
@rafaelalodio5116 bro this is the whole appeal of these types of units. Who tf wants to train for sake of being good at training? This is like playing hard enough to get to the NFL but never aspiring to reach the championship game.
This is what happens when guys sign up to be SEALs after seeing how badass they looked in some movie. Goes back to what Nate was saying about Silent vs Quiet Professionals. If former SOF guys from whatever units don't tell true stories of what it's like, both the hardship and the good stuff, their recruits will be at the mercy of whatever the popular media puts out there.
@@TheIcup24 That’s not the point, my point is that you go to all that training and you would expect Super Bowl to be easy?
I highly doubt Eddie is telling the truth based on certain information, mainly from the Code Over Country book.
I'm a just a leg so I can't judge what so ever.
Brother take the word "just" out of that sentence. Your contribution has merit.
Brother : I Myself AM John Rodriguez. I AM the Guy , Who is the Prior Service Enlisted Marine Field Radio Operator and Army Food Services Specialist Parachutist-Qualified, from My Naval ( USMC) and Military ( US Army) Service ,from 1987 to 1998, with 1 Year and 4 Months in the Army National Guard ( ARNG ) and US Army Reserve ( USAR) . I commented on 2 of Your previous Videos , and, They were good Videos. I watched the entire Episode , and, Now, AM I making the comment on Your Critique of the United States Navy SEALs , from an Army Special Forces Sergeant's perspective. While it is all too easy for Special Forces to rival SEALs , as a Commando Connection to the Greater Army vs Navy Rivalry , this Airborne and Air Assault - Qualified Soldier, Who is Prior Service Marine, find the positive in the Naval Special Warfare Community, as well as the Marine Corps, Army, and Air Force Special Operations Communities , such as the rescues of Jessica Lynch, Jessica Buchanan, and , Captain Phillips of the Maersk Alabama. And of course, the world renowned " Operation Neptune Spear" of 110501( SUN) in Abottobad, Pakistan. Thank You Yourself for Your Military Service as a Special Forces Sergeant in the Army, and , for allowing Me to humbly state My sentiments on both the Army Special Forces, Navy SEAL Teams, Air Force Special Tactics Squadron, and, Marine Raiders ( and, let's NOT forget Coast Guard MSRT Operators, Too!) on Your Channel. GOD Bless You, Sergeant! John Rodriguez, Amen and Roger Out!