How to install an acoustic guitar pickup. Putting an
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Jeremy, I really gotta thank you for this video. After I watched it about a week ago, I thought to myself, "look at that ... I can do that" and I bought a Lyric and a step bit and today I installed it in my Yamaha FG-830. I didn't have the luck you did in this video; it took me 4 times getting the depth adjustment right, but holy moly it sounds fantastic!! Clean, no buzzes or hums and beautiful. You always put out good vids, but this one made my guitar great!
I'm so glad. Enjoy it!!
You make the installation look easy so that we are confident to do it ourselves. Great job man !
It sounds Great! You did a wonderful job and made it look so easy!
Nicely Done! Thank you for the great narrative of how to take approach with the most important thing you do for your Guitar ♥️ with a power tool!
Subbed, man. I love your passion and knowledge for acoustic guitar in this video. 🖖🏽
A lot of techs have told me they use masking tape over the hole before drilling to prevent finish chips. It worked out for you but just a little tip I've heard from guitar techs.
I'll start doing that.
You did a great job! And enjoyed the video! If/when I install one of these pickups, I'll refer back to this one. 👍😁🙏
Sweetwater called me today for a first order I placed and they asked how I heard about them and I told them your CZcams channel. Thanks for letting me know about them and hopefully they see the traffic you’re bringing them and give you more stuff to review!
Really good and helpful video! Thanks Jeremy
Thanks, Joseph.
I have this same pick up on my bajo quinto. It sounds amazing just like the guitar when it's not plugged in. Lr baggs is my fav now. Thanks for taking the time and effort to make this video. It was very insightful. Happy playing. Stay inspired.
My Lyric is coming in tomorrow and I can’t wait to install it. Thanks for the excellent pickup demo and install videos!
It's going to be awesome!
In 2022/2023 we’ll be in bars with our guitars, man. I’m with you.
Great to see you played at a YL camp. I’ve been watching for a few months now and working on guitars I play with my YL guys here in southern WV. It’s been a great way to build connections during quarantine when big events aren’t possible. Thanks for the content and tips!
Love it! I lead YL in Shenandoah County from 2005 to 2011. Thanks for all you do!
instablaster...
Very nice preamp! ....and great vid!
Love the lyric, best at keeping that true acoustic sound better than anything I heard to my ears.
Cheers...clearest I've watched so far...except we didn't see the mic going in clearly enough. Minor criticism. I'm going to fit one in my Big Baby Taylor so will follow your vid method. One question about future reassignment of pickup to my other acoustic...back home, when I can get there. Will the adhesive tape come off easily enough?
Nice work
Thanks for the video mate, and for the children fingerprints comment :) The background music is wonderful! Looking to install Lyric also to my own Crafter ML, great pickup.
Thanks for the great video. I also have a Huss, a TDR though, very deep sounding. Wondering whether to go soundhole as I have two other guitars. Maybe I should come hear the results...in Roanoke.
The H5 dampens the sound and "basses" it up- The LR is so much brighter. Your montages are nice, once you lay that audio track down it flows like butter in post. Gotta keep that b-roll in a separate folder to keep it all straight argh- it looks like it wern't no big thing when you do it right! Remember Dolly Parton taught us, "It take alot of money to look this cheap." Beautiful sequences JS-
Jeremy, Thanks for this video. I've installed a couple of these but it has been a while so I needed a refresher. Here's a few ideas for you.
1. You figured out that the end-pins need to be inserted for a guide while installing the mic. If you have enough winds around the string posts you can just loosen the strings enough to allow room to insert your hand without removing anything. I noticed your string installation method doesn't allow for that. I like to have enough winds so the strings come off the bottom of the post giving them more break angle at the nut.
2. Good ol' Harbor Freight has a three pack of step drills that cut like butter. They'll stay centered unlike a ream that could unintentionally be tilted and result in an oblong hole. Two of those step drills are 1/2" at their widest so you won't make too big a hole. Each step only cuts a little wood at a time so will give a nice clean hole. Set the bit far enough out in the drill chuck and you should be able to go completely through the block leaving a straight 1/2" hole instead of tapered that needs further drilling.
3. You'll need to eat out at a Chinese restaurant for this part. (Aw Shucks). Instead of a slippery steel screwdriver, a bamboo chopstick works great. Shave the fat end down just enough to make a slight taper that will pressure fit into the jack then stick tight enough that you can pull the preamp shaft through the hole. Leave the chopstick inserted then slide the washer and nut down the shaft of the chop stick and screw in place. Once they are finger tight, pull the chopstick out, finish tightening then install the strap button. (This method works great on semi-hollow body 335 style electric guitars that have no hand access.)
4. Another reason to avoid wires and parts from touching the soundboard is they will rattle and buzz. I like to attach wire clips to the braces when possible so the wires are basically floating and free of any surface that might vibrate enough to buzz.
5. I agree with the comment about attaching the battery sack to the neck block. You won't have to reach in so far to replace it. It might, however, cover a serial number depending on your guitar.
Thanks again for the refresher course. Now it's time to quit stalling and go finish installing my LR Baggs Lyric.
I play my Martin HD28V with Lyric through my Roland Chorus 90. Sounds great w/o any external preamp. Put the battery sack on the neck block.
I like the lyric because of the potential for good sounds. However, after installing about 6 or 8 of these systems, I can tell you that a good deal of outboard EQ is needed. So, I have settled on K&K, because, if I still need the EQ, I might as well go as light and battery free in my nice instrument.
David you may have pushed me closer to that K&K for my D28. Sounds like going more on the preamp before the PA is key. Thanks!
Hey Jeremy! Do you notice this pickup has a super low output? I have an sl and love it, but was thinking of trying one of these, with that question as the only possible concern. Thanks for any info.
I have been watching your Taylor AD17 review… I have chance of getting one… would a Lyric or Anthem fit in there as it has V bracing or would that restrict it being fitted??? Thanks
Hey man great vid as always, thanks for the hard work! Who is the song for the montage? Sorry if I missed it in the description.
www.musicbed.com/songs/never-stop/38238
I bought this and at home and sounded great, took it our for my first band gig last night and I was getting all kinds of low end feed back. I tried rolling off the lows with an Eq but I was so much that I lost the bottom end. This sucks I hope I can resolve it.
for recording in small home studio only- lyric vs anthem? thanks jeremy
A guitar cable works great for the input jack.
hmm, after watching the first 4 minutes I think this might actually be a love story :)
Me too.
Now there is an adjustable presence with the volume. I adjusted mine and it brought out a better tone for my Gibson J15
I want to try that out first thing when I play live. It's a little bright and cocked wah sounding now.
I have used a ¼ cable to go in the newly reamed hole and help the end jack. I think it might be easier than the long screw driver.
I used a pencil when I did mine. Worked out pretty well. Easy to manipulate.
I use a length of wood dowel rod.
Great, interesting vid as always. What song was that in the demo toward 17:00?
It is vaguely similar to "this is the first day of my life", by Bright Eyes but most of it is just riffing in C.
Sounding good man. Great point about that not being the final sound live... it gets complicated quick. A few months back I started playing at church again (man I missed it). I use the Lyric in my setup as well... with some modifications. What most people don't know is that the Lyric comes ready for a second source (pickup). There is actually a second channel on the built in preamp intended for a passive pickup. Soooo I run the Lyric with an older Fishman passive tone hole pickup on the second source. I then run a TRS (or stereo) cable to an LR Baggs MIxpro which allows me to balance the signal from the two pickups and blend it down to a mono signal (normal guitar cable). From the Mixpro I run to an LR Baggs Venue DI. On the effects loop of the Venue I have a Matthews Effects Astronomer V2 reverb/shimmer pedal, and a TC Electronic Ditto looper (still learning how to really use the looper). From there I run out to the board via XLR. It's like you said "what's the use in having a really nice boutique guitar if I put a pickup in it that doesn't sound like this guitar". It drove me nuts, but with this setup I absolutely love my sound..... It really is my guitar, only louder (and shimmery when I have that part of the reverb pedal on lol). Anyways, love your videos. If you're ever coming through North Central Florida hit me up and we can "jam"..... I promise (between me and my Buddy Matt) we can bring some guitars you'd be interested in playing :)
I’ve just learned this myself after buying a used lyric from a friend, I’m wanting to put the lyric in my guitar, which already has a Fishman undersaddle. Good to hear from someone who has done this.
My only hesitancy is, once I do this, it seems I’m completely dependent on my mix pro to blend those sources. How does this work if the mixpro goes down? Would you just get 100% of both the pickup and the mic?
@@MikaelLewisify I actually ended up having a lot of extra noise in my signal……. After much headache and head scratching I finally figured out that I just suck at soldering. I ended up pulling the second pickup back off the Lyric. I went for the low-tech solution and just put a second strapjack in my guitar near the one for the lyric. A bit brutal, but it works really well. I run a cable that has a TRS end and is split on the other end (guitar end) into two mono cables. I still use the mixpro, but doing it this way gives me the added benefit of being able to run either pickup by itself if I want to.
@@chrisbethea4750 I was thinking about that today and wondered if that would work. I like the idea of installing the lyric but still having my built in tuner and eq. Then I couId blend or use either separately.
Thank you so much for that info.
I think this is what I will do.
@@MikaelLewisify you’re gonna love it :)
@@chrisbethea4750 just waiting for LR Baggs to send me some replacements adhesives, then I’ll install it.
Bring us to church sometime...we need that...)
Whats the name of the first song you play at the end? Did you ever make a video of using the lyric live?
Just saw this video, I saw you using a tapered cutter to open up the back strap mount hole, looks at the clip you had a straight pre-amp, my background is aircraft maintenance engineering in our industry ( for metal ) we have straight reamers in different diameters, you might have to buy 0.003” larger diameter reamer for ease of pushing the pre-amp through, I would not know the availability of straight reamers for woodworking. Please don’t get offended I am just sharing my knowledge from a different industry, I am learning lots from your videos about guitars. Thanks hope this helps.
1. A wooden chopstick works better than a long screwdriver for a guide. It is longer and wider so less apt to slide off.
2. The jack has a small hole you can stick a paperclip through to keep it from turning while you tighten with 1/2" box end wrench.
3. I'd recommend checking the pickup for sound before installation to make sure you didn't get a dud.
4. I don't know about the Lyric but some pickup systems will not work well with rechargeable batteries. In my case it was the Yamaha Transacoustic. When I went to return the guitar the first thing the music store guy asked me, "Are you using rechargeable batteries?" It seems rechargeable batteries don't drain evenly so will cause some systems to cut out. A fresh alkaline battery solved the problem.
5. The LR Baggs NAMMM 2013 video shows the wires clipped to the top in two places. DON'T DO THAT!!!. You are absolutely correct about not clipping wires to the top. I had a terrible buzzing noise in one guitar because the manufacturer clipped a wire to the top.
BTW, I just gave you an excuse to go get some Chinese food. You're welcome.
This is the excuse I needed!
Great vid. What was the thing you took off near the nut? I don’t think it was a cap. Maybe something to help hold tuning?
It was a McKinney type of capo.
Your choice of music made this such an emotional experience.. lol
Hey Jeremy
What if you have no space behind the bridge due to custom bracing. What’s the next best option in your opinion?
These pickups go in front of the bridge. On the bridge plate. If you don't have space you can either do an under saddle pickup or a K&K mic maybe?
HI Jeremy, Where are the links to the pickups you referred to? Also silly question....why do you like those picks? I'm playing with a crappy red guitar center pick.
Here are the links to the pickups:
1. LR Baggs Lyric: imp.i114863.net/Rzma2
2. LR Baggs Anthem SL: imp.i114863.net/43oKL
3. LR Baggs Element VTC: imp.i114863.net/Ng4PP
I prefer the Primetone from Dunlop. If not those, I still like the Dunlop yellow or green.
I was considering this pickup. I would be interested to hear it’s compatibility , or lack thereof, with your various DIs. Much of what I see in threads and videos are under -saddle pickups paired with Fishman, Baggs, Boss DIs . Also , in lieu of a spade drill, consider a brad point twist drill which is much less likely to cause any tear out. A little more money but possibly safer.
That's a great idea. You're definitely right. I've got a few different pickups and a new amp to see what sounds the most accurate.
@@JeremySheppard Thanks. Enjoying your videos once I found them ! I have talked to a bunch of people about impedance "mismatches" and signal strength, but nobody gives consistent answers.Even company websites are not clear on I have several different pickup types from Fishman to KK to Baggs to an ES2 (Taylor). Anyway, keep up the good work and stay healthy.
What are you running into? No preamp, correct?
Jeremy have you been to the LR Baggs Loft in Nashville?
I haven't. I want to go next time I'm in Nashville.
11:05 THANK YOU, EVERYWHERE I LOOK THEY SAY PUT IT ON THE HEELBLOCK BUT I DON'T WANNA COVER THE SERIAL NUMBER ☹
Neat demo. However I think I'll have some one who can see do this. I have a couple guitars with LR Baggs, one anthem & another lyric. Most of my playing is without amplification. I have K&K Mini pickups also.
Do you lie the Anthem over the Lyric? I'm trying to decide...Thanks!
@@josephwaller834 really depends on the guitar and possibly the body size. The Anrhem is in a Martin D28 Modern Deluxe and was setup for a certain location's system. A Martin CEO-7 has the Lyric and it travels to play at different places. Different tone woods I might add. Also a Baggs VTC in a Gibson L-00.
I prefer the Anthem, you can blend the element and the mic. The Lyric sounds different in different guitars, I had it in a D-18 and didn't love it.
3:20 look like there may be the beginning of a crack at the edge of the saddle
what pickup you recommend for a 52 Gibson L1/2
The lyric would do well. I had an element in my 52 LG-1 that sounded good. K&K pure mini could be a great option but can be a bit noisy.
@@JeremySheppard noisy in what way?
They got this kick ass thing called a drill bit.
Where can I find the wire retainers? None came with my pickup.
Good question. I'd bet stewmac or LR Baggs
Oh man, I cringed at the drilling part. I don't have that confidence level you mentioned. :)
It's scary every time. Haha
Someone please tell me what song is played at 20:40.
Collective Soul - The world I know
Thanks for the video. Saying you "guessed" to install the preamp is not super helpful for those of us who do not "guess" correctly.
Take us to church, bro!
Maybe...haha
Why didn't you show the most important step.
In other words, remove the paper from the sticker from the microphone and then stick it to the guitar in the correct position?
I can hear it loses a lot of low end, uh?
Dude: A piece of advice from an experienced woodworker and amateur luthier. Always use safety glasses or goggles when you use power tools.
You're totally right. Thanks for the info.
So you'd have to restring everytime you want to replace the battery
You don't have to restring but you would have to take the strings down, I usually put a capo on the third fret and then take the strings out of the bridge and wrap them up so that I can reach the battery and swap it.
You're not wrong, but the battery lasts a super really long time though.
I have the lyric in my guitar and it is better than anything I have used, I hate piezo. However, it hears everything. it hears my clothes against it, hears every little move. Everything. I might switch over to the anthem to get a better mix of tones.
Jeremy - please don't use a pair of wire cutters to remove your saddle pins. Most plastic string winders have a notch in the handle made for that purpose. Also please don't use the guitar as a table for your mic and mic packaging. Otherwise, thumb's up!
I normally don't, just couldn't get them out by hand and the camera was rolling. Thanks for pointing that out.
Dude- come on, take it easy.
At least he said please. lol
i cant do this to my guitar
Why did you bothering wearing the same shirt if you were going to tell us that the video was finished the next morning?
😂 whoops
@@JeremySheppard 😀
I can assure you that $10 harbour freight drill is NOT the right tool....
But one negative comment is that your guitar does not sound like a good quality guitar. It does not bring out the best in the pickup.
Unless this is sarcasm, I think you need to lookup Huss and Dalton guitars!!
Add PU then get some gasoline and a book of matches and set fire to it. I don't understand putting one in a nice acoustic. Get a Takamine. YMMV Your Mileage May Vary.
Haha. I don't understand buying a Takemine.
I wanted to amplify a guitar that fits my style and playing and doesn't sound like a generic "acoustic guitar" pickup.
@@JeremySheppard I am talking about folks that put a PU in their Martin or Collings guitars. I have heard all the best pickups in those styles of guitars and to my ears a Takamine serves the purpose better... being the way they are constructed. If one wants an acoustic/electric that would be my choice. Again….. YMMV
This Huss and Dalton is on par with a collings. I see your point. I want my cake and eat it too. Best playing and sounding boutique guitar AND it sounds the same plugged in.
@@JeremySheppard …I've played the Huss and Daltons. I played the Stelling guitars that Geoff Stelling put out many years ago and those guys worked for Geoff. Geoff wanted me to endorse those guitars since my dad at the time, Raymond Fairchild endorsed Stelling banjos. We'll agree to disagree about the pickups. I have yet to hear a pickup that sounds great in any acoustic guitar. Again…that's my opinion. No one see's or hears alike. lol
I had a Stelling D42 that got stolen....my heart is still broken over it.
PS>>> A 3/8 drive drill will work just fine, and may be easier to handle steadily. Also, at 07:39 you demonstrated the pre amp "goes all the way in", when it clearly didn't. Then when the jack was installed you said something about "hundreds of installations" and "muscle memory" guided you how deep to drill, when all you did was drill to the end of the bit. That was VERY dishonest. Glad you finally were truthful about that, and explained that you needed to use another method to drill 1/2" completely through the end block. I am now seriously questioning your honesty. I personally would VERY clearly state that unless you are experienced altering your guitar, take it to someone who is qualified. Remember folks, advice is worth exactly what you pay for it...
The Lyric isn't great live, at least not with a loud band behind you. i'm guessing you probably realize that by now
Yup. Works great for recorded church services with lower room volume.