Are These Snow Tracks Going To Be Enough???
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- čas přidán 28. 01. 2023
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Today we finish mocking up the track frame and getting all the wheels mounted. I’m super excited to get these tracks finished and tested!!!
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This is a great project. Once you get them on and they're working good, you should challenge your dad and his snowcat to some fun in the snow.
His dad will have to do some work on his snowcat first. Remember he had some trouble towards the end of last winter, & he said a few weeks ago that it would work if he needed it, but he needs to rebuild it.
@@timothygeiger8271 His dad would stand back and be very proud
@@zoltanliszkai2162 definitely Matt would & is proud of all of his boys. Of course Rudy & Kaulin are older, but the younger boys are doing good.
My guess is when Rudy gets his tracks done, his dad will probably be calling him out for some of the jobs in the higher elevations in the deeper snow.
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The tracked recovery Winter Olympics, with RAD, MORR, Robby Layton and Casey Ladelle. 😂
I love where this is going!! I really wanted to build my own tracks for this season, but a serious lack of time and an abundance of other projects meant it made more sense to just buy them again. I’m hoping that this summer I can get time to redesign the lower half to use larger pneumatic wheels that smooth out the ride on rough ground.
Well you never claimed you were any good at this! :)
Have baby Rojo beard make them for you.
I am seriously looking at other wheel styles myself 😂
Just from your experience driving a tracked jeep, do you think the bigger bottom two wheels that Rudy designed would be better than the several small wheels like your tracks have?
Of course i can see your point of putting pneumatics on the bottom half of yours.
You & Rudy should have a match off when he gets his done🤣🤣
Maybe when you go back to Utah in March to judge the tow truck Olympics?🤣🤣🤣
I wonder how the tracks would be in the sand?
Hey guys, when I’ve looked at tracks online, there’s usually some mention of something that keeps the track from flipping (and tearing out your fenders). Will these flip Rudy?
Looks great. I would think about putting the adjustable wheel at the back of the track so your threaded rod isn't taking the shock of anything you run into.
Definitely adjusting needs to be done on the rear of the track just like a snowmobile
ya and you need more angle in front too
I think the 1/4" plate to the spindle is way to flimsy and will bend with the weight of the jeep.
@@customjrod Yeah, I was noticing that too. Even with gussets, that looks pretty iffy to support the Jeep's weight.
Could probably literally just swap the sides you mount them on the jeep to accomplish that.
Wow, those are looking great. Can't wait to see them in action! I love the walking beam design that the small wheels are attached to. -Riley
Love your channel, congrats on your baby
Hey Riley & Courtney, hope you don't mind I sent Rudy Adventures your link on your track build. Was hoping it give him some Ideas.
The tracks will definitely weigh more than the tires. Great job Rudy can't wait to see it in action.
Your larger front 12” wheels will definitely need to be upgraded to utilize sealed or greased bearings. Looking good. Keep it up!
I agree.. I suggested to use Honda bearings. They are wide double bearings, and it would give him a surface on each side to weld on little triangle gussets outward to the wheel -- which would also make the wheel stronger; and the shaft size would then be much larger and not that little bolt. I think that would work well-- but cutting out the centers well really needs a lathe to do it right.... That's just the first thing that came to mind. Those double bearings that Honda uses are pretty bulletproof. (or Toyota wheel bearings).
Yeah, those wheels look a little sketchy! I think you’re right about the bearings; maybe the hub as well.
“The rest of my life”. But Rudy, you’re such a young man! 😂🤣🤭
Also, was thinking that the boggie wheels should be more inboard on the smooth rubber between the cogs, the metal in the slotted section will probably eat them up. Thanks for posting, very interesting.
I agree that the large idle wheel bearings appear sketchy at this point and only support minimal lateral load with their thin metal sidewalls. Hard turning may lead to more lateral stresses than you may think. Are the bearings fully road-worthy? Would a single fat wheel or two adjacent narrow wheels at each end of the track and supported with outboard bearings provide more lateral stability? If I understand your design correctly, it seems like the track tensioner rod is in compression subject to bending under the vehicle load and against track tension. It could be inverted so that the weight of the vehicle contributes to the track tension and the adjustment threaded rod is also in tension. Potentially a stronger orientation if the tension rod fails, the vehicle weight can still help keep some track tension.
dang you really are an engineer this is showcasing your abilities really well it seems. no matter how this works or turns out you have done an amazing thing here.
“What fun is that” is exactly right. Love where your content is headed
The main drive wheel sitting on its side on the floor, looks like a cool industrial chandelier. Rudy’s industrial home design, maybe? ;)
I second this
Brilliant work Rudy 👍🙂👍
I admire your “I can build that”attitude. It encourages the rest of us DIY guys.
Dang! Quite the project!
Just remember ..... You get what you pay for. I believe the 12'' Bogeys are not going to stand up to the steady pounding. And the smaller wheels look like some I purchased at Harbor Freight for my tool box. The weather destroyed them in 2 years.
Amazing! The 12" idler wheels look suspect, but the road wheels (as they are called in the military) on military track vehicles are basically the same thing. Granted the road wheels are more heavy duty, but they are on vehicles weighing from 12 to 70+ tons. It'll be interesting to see how well yours hold up.
Thats exactly how i found both of those channels and now watch every video they publish especially Casey
Baby Rojo Beard, you're very talented. Those tracks look amazing!!!
In terms of how you're putting the tensioning arms together, the most accurate measurement is the one you don't need to measure. Using the frame to keep stuff aligned is totally a valid option.
My main concern with the 12 inch wheels is that they're going to buckle once you put some side load on them like steering.
Nice project, I'm already waiting to see Rudicon on the tracks in the snow. The durability of the wheels and, above all, the bearings must be strong enough and waterproof. Snowmobile rollers are usually used in the tracks. The tensioning of the track should be directed towards the back, so that it does not receive shocks in the terrain. Most of them come from the front when the roller hits an obstacle, stone, etc. The increased weight is probably not a disadvantage, because the car's center of gravity rises higher, so the additional weight brought by the rollers only stabilizes the car. In addition, the rollers are usually not driven at high speed, in which case the suspension and shock absorption can cope with the additional weight.
Great video. I gotta say the the lack of a cameraman was almost a benefit to your style! Can’t tell you how much I enjoyed this! Thanks!
The tracks are looking great and I'm impressed with your ability to prototype on the fly. If the 12" wheels give you trouble plasma out some 3/8" Hardox 450 plates with drive spokes on them to help retain the tracks. Hardox plate is weldable with sg2 wire or 7018 rod unlike AR plate, will last longer and is stronger than mild steel. I would also recommend using a sealed hub assembly on the 12" wheels to prevent water from seizing them and to give them better side load/thrust strength.
I like that you are making them. Is cool to see the thought process behind fabricating and engineering something like that.
One question, if you go over an obstacle, your little wheels are nearly FIXED and don't move enough in the upwards / downwards movement, will be a problem. Make then more so you have done with that problem. Look at a track from a tank as example.
Looking good!!!! Have fun welding the rest of them up!!!!
2 videos in 2 days? Hell yes!
Ambitious project Rudy..love it. Designing on the fly is what I do best too. Build, test, break, upgrade...repeat. Gotta feeling those idler wheels are not going to cut it though..
Pretty cool that you are crafting your own tracks from scratch and working through the fixes as you see the design flaws. Very nice work. Hope the end results turn out great.
Looks great Rudy. Nice work figuring everything out.
Ambitious! And they look really really good!
I'm glad you're planning on working them hard. It'll be entertaining to see if you can break them at first. it'll be a great way to see where the weak points are and finalize your design.
It's nice seeing you going you own direction and getting to use the skills that I know you have. Brother needs to get on board with a R.A.D logo. I think the tires will be lighter than the tracks. I think they look good, but if you run into trouble it will be in the front when you turn because of the force against them. Fun to see them in action.
Your fabrication skills are incredible?? There is hope for the future with young folks like you!!
Pretty awesome rudy! Look/ great dude!
You're Makin incredible progress. I've been a metal fabricator all my life so I have a pretty good grasp of the scope of work you're tackling. It's big. Props to your brother for all the welding. They look great! Looking forward to the next installment!
Looks good !Even though they may not last, it's a great project to help you understand how real manufacturers build stuff cheaply and made to last. In the end with enough metal you WILL make them work properly !
Nice project ! Thanks for sharing .
Crazy build, looking good !
Love Utah !!
For ur fans u should go through a price break down of what u spent on ur tracks and what a set of tracks would have cost great video
I would be interested in this, as well. But, you built them. Now you need to test them to destruction or success.
@Rudys Adventure and Design - Great work so far. I just worry that the attachment to the hub way out at the end is going to be an Achilles heel. What if you added a bolt on bracket that attaches on the inside (nearest the Jeep frame) to the brake caliper mounts with slightly longer bolts, attach a swing arm to the bracket, and put that swing arm onto the frame of the tracks. It would add stiffness on that back side and in theory still allow the whole track to swing as the front of the track lifts up and down going over obstacles. Hope that's making sense.
Also, you may want to consider putting bearings into the area where the small wheels attach to the track frame. They look like they will be constantly see-sawing as the tracks move. Without a bearing they'll likely get hogged out pretty fast even when driving over smooth terrain.
That hub is definately a weakness in the design. In the automotive application that hub resides within the inside/outside of the wheel. Having it that far outside the tracks will place a different load on the hub. Also, if and when the hub fails, the whole track will fall off the vehicle. As Mike Jones says, for the tracks, it would be better to create a structure inside and outside of the drive wheel.
I would think you would want the hub/bearing attached to the middle disc (on truck hub) rather than the outside disc. Currently, the force will have to transfer via angle iron to the vehicle hub/axle. A lot of leverage in this design will be the weak link.
@@lynnbartels4183 I'm not sure how he could fit that hub in a more central location with the design he has. However, by adding a brace on the inside of the tracks it would in theory alleviate the stress created by the lever arm that's hanging off the hub right now. Goal is to move the point where the force is effectively applied ... Into a more central location, without having to relocate the hub. In theory it should work just about as well.
Only downside is having to disconnect something from the back/inside of the tracks in addition to the 4 hub bolts on the outside of the tracks when removing them. Still, if the bracket attached to the caliper mounts is designed right it could stay permanently on the vehicle and use a bolt through a heim joint to connect/disconnect the inside track brace.
How about connecting the center disc to the outer disc with a large diameter pipe that fits inside the vehicle hub bolt pattern, but over the wheel hub. This will transfer the load directly to the new bearing and track structure in a robust design from the vehicle hub.
You are doing GREAT!!!! Keep up the good stuff Rudy...... Love watching all of you guys!!
Diy is always 100x cooler than buying an off the shelf solution. Might not always be the most practical option but it's definitely the most fun one
Good work! That is an awesome design.
Great concept. Those 4 corner wheels will be trouble. The bearing will fall out of the stamped wheels. Don't wreck your tracks.
Love this young man's knowledge and confidence. Bravo .
Research and Development, the backbone of progress. --- *_Thanks for the great update._* ---
YAY!!!
Excellent content....keep it coming and your channel will blow up
Love it … re-inventing a wheel Rudy’s adventurous way!
Awesome job Rudy and Colin helping you Made your life a little bit easier Can hardly wait To see them working correctly
So awesome looking too
I think all those axle bolts need to go all the way through, connecting the two adjacent wheels on one shaft.
Great video!! I love seeing you guys work together!
I love you and your channel Rudy
Not sending hate, just trying to help... You need a rail system with hyfax similar to a snowmobile to support the weight of the Jeep. The little wheels are just to aid the track around the rails. Those wheels will break or bend first hard obstacle you hit...
I wondered about just grabbing the track system off a wrecked snowmobile and adapting the drive system but leaving the slide/trailing system. It’s pretty common to find wrecked sleds in my area.
I mentioned this in the last video, but quite late, so I'll say it here again. I'm sure this is way too late, but just in case, your tracks need to be somewhat turned up on the front. If not, the first time you encounter an obstacle with any speed faster than a crawl you'll likely snag on it rather than go over it. Even then you'll still snag stuff, just not as bad/often.
If you look at the end clip the side of the track with the tensioner that wheel is about 3 inches off the ground, and with a 12 inch wheel it gives me a massive taper in the front.
Yes, you're correct. I run Camso tracks on my quad & they have an "attack angle" plus a curve at the front.
I'm concerned that the 12"" wheels are going to disintegrate.
Im fearful of the bearings not being able to stand up to the speeds but I think he is doing a great job... trial and error is how we learn i guess..
I wouldn't worry about that.
They're going to snap off the first time he hits a bump, being cantilevered off a small bolt.
I love watching you make/build/weld stuff, ever since the morrvair. Good job buddy. Love the channel
That design looks RAD! Looking forward to snow test time!
It's fun watching you do this, knowing that the whole reason you are doing it is because you can, and you want to. When you started on them at first I figured that you had been in discussions with Casey about them, and he confirmed it on one of his videos, so the fact that you have his experience and use to help out is immense. It will be interesting to see when they are done how they hold up, and I'm also going to be curious as to how they weigh out versus the ones that Casey's running on is Track Jeep. It's the people like you that experiment and make their own systems that sometimes causes the original designers to change how they do things because they see things you have done and go "hmm - why did we do or not do that". RAD in progress!!
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Definitely an interesting project for your fleet
Amazing you have the time to figure all this out and put it together. Looks amazing! Great job. Looking forward to seeing them in action
Nice job it’s a blast to watch you make this crazy stuff!! Keep up the great work.
Great project. I can't wait to see the next video.
Looking great !! Thats gonna be waaaay heavier than your tires. Also gonna be a rough ride, I would think pneumatic wheels would be better for that. Or install some shocks in the tracks buuut, that would be tough, sure you could do it.
Cant wait to see them in action ..
I've owned and maintained my own snowmobiles and I'm curious to how long the bearings will last on all of your wheels. All of the bearings on snowmobiles are sealed and replaceable. I would pull them and repack them every other year and replace the bad ones. Water, snow and ice is hard on bearings.
So much work !
It looks like your engineering skills are turning out very well. 👍
So excited about this project. I have watched Casey's channel and seen a lot of his snow rescues with the snow tracks.
Looks like a lot of fun.
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I accept your reasoning for the project and think you are doing great. I also agree that your big wheels are going to fail first.
Those came out sweet! They definitely look heavier than your tires…
Ambitious project for sure. Good job Rudy!
Gooood job! Nice measuring and welding Rudy. 👍👍👍
Great Project Rudy !! Do you think it would be beneficial add any type spring tensioner ??
Maybe you should think about some type of adjustable coil over shock with your adjustment rod to give it a little flexibility That will let your track Spring back off the two main front wheels to keep the track tight but what you already put together looks great
I'm enjoying the content and the new shop! I wonder where you got the new tools and machinery. I'd love to see a mini shop tour sometime. It's great to see you chasing your dreams. I wish you the best! Your mom and dad have done a great job raising you and your brothers.
Your doing a great job Rudy nice work man!! Enjoy watching 👀
😊the 1st .
hi Rudy lol
Lookin good Brutha! I was thinking that you might finish one track completely and mount the one track on the Jeep with the other 3 corners being the normal tires and then driving it for proof on concept That way you only have to make revisions to one track instead of all four. But you're going all in. Looks like so far so good. 👍👍
I’d love to do that but the gearing would be way off
Way to go Rudy! It is an inspiration to watch to do your thing! Can't wait to wacth the Rudicon roll on those fantastic looking tracks!
Dang it Rudy! Now I want to build these. I live in San Diego and have absolutely no need (plus a bunch of other priority projects for my jeep), but after watching these past 2 videos, I'm starting to think of reasons to convince my wife to move to the snow.
Absolutely amazing fabrication and design
I too have serious concerns as to strength of your 12" wheels , can remember useing something similar on a gokart project years ago (they failed miserably lol)
Maybe cut a couple of 12" discs to strengthen up each wheel with some better bearings
But no one ever succeeded without trying
Great job!!!
Колёса от вилочного погрузчика, 12 дюймов, цельнолитые бывают.
I'm amazed you've made progress in design. Hate to ask, but how are you going to keep them from flipping up into wheel well? 🙃
Awesome work Rudy!!👏👏👏
Be proud of that.. some technical skills for sure. Excited to see it in action 🎉🎉
Your going to want to make an arm that is on the inside frame that can be clamped to the link bar to stop the whole assembly from rotating like a tire
Love your content.
One heck of a project, and yes, it would be miles easier, and maybe money ahead, to buy the readymade tracks. Kudos for your confidence to take on such a project. Those 12" solid rubber wheels with cheap bushings are not going to hold up. There's got to be a more robust industrial conveyor belt tire that would work.
This is an amazing project. I’m fascinated.
Go!
YAY!!! You are FIRST!!!!
This is awesome, will kick your channel up to the next level, looking forward to seeing them on it. Do they get any spring tensioning later or is it just gravity on the drop wheel keeping them tight? Keep it up.
Waiting for parts in the mail for the tensioner
Nice nesting on your plasma table! Looking forward to the end product! Love your channel!
Rudy, these tracks are going to do everything you expect them to do. Waiting to see them on your vehicle and in the snow.
God bless ❤️🙏🙏👍👍🌟🌟❤️
I'm afraid the bearings on the 12" wheels will fail quickly as they are not designed for the weight and use you are intending on subjecting them to. Just hope you have a few spares when you do go out to test out the tracks so you can get it back. Great work on the designing otherwise.
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wheres ur next video? come on now!
That looks great! Gonna be an awesome adventure!
Loving it, keep up the great work. Hope these work as well as they look!
That is quite a project! Great job!
I can't wait till you take it out in the snow to test the tracks for real!.
Keep up the great videos.
Impressed by your inventiveness and fabrication skills. Way to go.
Looks awesome!!!!! Can't wait to see the final product
Totally enjoy watching you fabricate these. Awesome job Rudy👍👍👍
Your videos are getting better and better! I like how you were able to cram so much progress into 21 min. My only request is that you show a little more of the design. Keep it up!
GOTTA HAND IT TO YOU, THATS A BIG PROJECT. THANKFULLY YOU HAVE THE SKILLS!
Great job from concept to rolling piece that's great stuff