Here's What Broke on Our New Toyota Tacoma When We Took It Off-Road!
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I appreciate the transparency from this channel!
True. They did let us know they used the power of TFL to get the ball rolling with their engineer friends
Someone at toy found a cheaper way to make it
is toy turning into cj. Cheap Junk. ?
I had a CJ-7 in 1983 and dogged the living daylights out of it and never left me stranded 12 years as a daily. So if they turned it into a CJ that would be a good thing lol
@@toddmartin4471 41 years ago . LoL 😂
Here's What Broke on Our New Toyota... doesn't show a damn picture of the broken part, not even a parts diagram? Transparency, eh?
Next time TFL has an issue like this, do it as an anonymous customer first... let's see how these manufacturers treat you when you are a regular Joe like us.
this
TFL is a business and needs to act like one.
Trust is important in their business.
They filmed it, what else do you expect?
@@valdius85TFL is a business. A business that reviews cars for future customers. A more realistic situation would be, to pretend like you are a regular joe, because Toyota service is horrible. I’ve had to almost fight the service department and salesperson to settle stuff. But they are all obviously bootlickers and scratch eachothers back so screw us right?
@@Mobgnna707 my local Toyota dealership is so nice at the service department they bust their hump to diagnose and fix your problem. But I have a friend who has a 21 Highlander hybrid and there was something wrong with the battery wheels not engaging and the service department did everything they could. They had the car for 4 months before Toyota got back to that dealership. They let my friend use one of their courtesy Toyota Tundras which was a 1999 to use in the meantime. Toyota corporate is terrible honestly. Fortunately I just have a really awesome local dealership.
@@Mobgnna707 true
I hate to say it, but if it was a regular customer like the average Joe, they would have found every reason to blame us for the issue.
You're probably right that is why I would not tell them I was on a trail when it broke. I would just say the 4 wheel drive quit working.
If this had happened to me the service department would have blamed it on me and voided my warranty.
I don't think so. This is Toyota were talking about here not Ford
Toyota just did something similar with the HVAC failure on a family member RAV4. They made up everything under the sun to not cover it.
They would absolutely blame it on abuse by the owner and deny any warranty claims. The statement about it being designed to fail under extreme conditions to protect the rest of the drive-line is going to be their go-to line every time.
Had my valve cover leak on my new Highlander...only got Ralph, the service tech...no engineer and no loaner vehicle and no apology from the dealership....guess i need s podcast!
Hey your lucky I heard Ralph does great work.
Because it wasn't a new generation and it was a leaky valve cover and because you don't make sweet movies on the toobz.
“Designed to fail under extreme conditions.” So if this happened to a regular owner, Toyota would have said it worked as designed and the owner abused the vehicle. Which means they may also invalidate the warranty.
Only reason Toyota put 20 people on the issue because a million people are looking at the video.
lol yeah. Your experience may (check that, WILL) vary should you run into the same issue 🤣
Or they may have more failures than we know about.
On the positive side, this channel is serving a good purpose, and Toyota is responding as they should.
Partly. Also, it’s a rollout of a completely redesigned new generation of the Tacoma. So…. They gonna investigate.
100% would have cost us 4-5k and 6 months to repair as an average customer. I'll stear clear of the 4th gen.
“Designed to fail under extreme conditions.” Me: watching the video looking for extreme conditions. 🙄
Yep, almost level ground with a small amount of snow😂😂😂
Land Rover speak for “I have a regiment of low wage,trained mechanics for this”
Kind of extreme conditions, did not use snow tires, did not air down and the ESP was working hard => braking hard => stress on driveline. Its still a joke it broke. Next time maybe use lockers front and rear when trying to do something like this without airing down on the wrong tires.😂
Exactly. And on factory tires
Extreme conditions can mean when u put so much stress to the components and that's what happened
“We have a direct connection to Toyota HQ and even had an engineer call and apologize for the failure…so our dealership experience was incredible! Highly recommend.” Worthless video.
Sellouts. You notice they never say a bad thing about anything now. Could sell them feces in wheels for 80k theyll say its quality reliability
facts
Well Dan, make a better video genius.
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@@timalan7406 I dont have a sponsorship deal and will definitely not be paying the prices Toyota is asking for their trucks.
I’m a former Toyota Technician, I know the service manager would say “you voided the warranty for negligence “
Can’t wait for Toyota’s chief engineer to contact me when I have trouble 😂
well....if you have over a 1million followers or "potential buyers" It's in Toyota best interest to fix, not out of the kindness of their hearts or "warranty" but to make good PR on it's truck sales.
I don't have any followers and cannot even get the dealer to look at the issues on my 22 Tundra
Good to know. I'll start up my CZcams channel tomorrow.@@echoshadow5
@@andrewhaug4445 welcome to the real world. The best thing you can do is to try a different dealer, not owned by the same business.
@@andrewhaug4445 That's "Toyota quality" for you.
They tell the stealership to deny, deny, deny and after a year of you getting stiffed on it just to trade it in for a "newer model" they'll send out the "extended warranty" notification to avoid a full-on recall.
I just don't understand the mentality. I also don't understand the mentality behind people that back these brands.
My father has a 2012 Hyundai Sonata, he says is the greatest thing to grace the planet because it still works with 140k miles and he has clock spring issue that WILL KILL the passenger because it's not an actual "recall", it's a "secret" thing to avoid them.
It's disgusting, frankly
Brand loyalty is the worst and they're ALL. THE. SAME.
The rest of us. "Sorry, that part is on national backorder"
As a Toyota owner, I have to say they easily have the worst after-sales customer service in the industry. I no longer would consider a Toyota. The quality is not there anymore, and the prices are far higher than Ford or Chevrolet.
The rest of us.I wouldn't buy the junk
@@Posting-Maharashtra I sympathize with you. I do not understand these people who say Toyota took care of them even with aftermarket things and etc. I suspect they may have been fighting with the person, but they do not want to admit it.
@@Posting-Maharashtra
Say what you will about stellantis quality but I was impressed on how well they took care of my father on a total engine failure on his Ecodiesel Ram. He was 10k miles outside of the extended warranty and the dealer quoted repairs of $15k but the dealer contacted Stellantis for my dad to see what they could do to help and stellantis flew out an representative from stellantis to look at the truck and told them that they will cover everything. My dad a just a regular joe. He is a business owner but he is the sole person in the business so he only has a fleet of one truck so I doubt they cared much about that.
"operating the same as a known good Tacoma..."
Thank goodness you have this channel and a million viewers glued wanting to know the results. Toyota has no choice but to step up and resolve!
The poor blue collar guy that spent all his money on a new truck now he can’t get to work and might lose his job! Nice way to go TOYOTA!
Kind of shocked this happened with such low traction conditions
Toyota gave you guys the "I have a truck CZcams channel" special treatment service.
And GM did not.
💯% i guess toyota isn't what it was. Sure its a hard resin or plastic piece inside instead of metal, the way it should be
@@davidjoseph7142 Who pulled the Toyota?
They should build the Tacoma on a 4runner platform.
@@steelmill then it would be a 4 runner.
Blueberry turned out to be a lemon
Zing! But blueberry-lemon actually is a good combo. Lol
Underrated comment 😂
dump it
One problem with a vehicle, doesn’t make it a lemon. Nice try.
New name lemon-berry.
I still LOVE THE CHEVY PULLING the Toyota out of the woods. Lol😂
Does my heart good...yep
You made me to change my mind about buying 2024 Toyota Tacoma.
Here I am with my 21 6 speed manual. They weren’t even pounding it when it broke. Sad.
I went with the 24 ridgeline trailsport
Colorado/Canyon is better anyways
The best part about this is that there is precedence now set for Toyota to cover this issue. They won’t be able to deny other claims with this so recorded.
Very good comment
We can hope.
But they can and will.
Don't matter if it's truck 319 or 319000.
At the end of the day it was sold to a customer in the end and that's pretty disappointing
Exactly
well one has 318 people testing all possible conditions for failures and the other 318999
@@chibbyylolso the 318 is cheaper?
Yes sir!
Yeah, honestly, I hate that attitude so much. Every fanboy and loyalist basically excuses their OEM selling junk for the first few years of a new models' production. This isn't a special beta testing phase or pre=production durability testing- they're selling full-price trucks to real-world customers. This mindset from consumers is so stupid.
Mechanic of 30 years experience checking in - I had suspected a front axle disconnect, simply because I know how they work, and let's face it, if it had been a ring and pinion failure, it would have like blown chunks, and more importantly made a HELL of a lot more racket.
For everyone that will claim TOYOTA QUALITY! - Toyota doesn't make that part, they contract with someone else to make it, then they install it in their setup. Point being, with quality as whole on the downturn, if you designed a new part, and contracted it out to be made, it doesn't matter if it was Ford, GM, Ram, or anyone. A part with an unforeseen stress factor will fail no matter who's truck it's installed in. The front axle disconnect is actually VERY susceptible to this - all it is is a splined tube that is slid sideways by an electric actuator, and connects both axles together....they are splined on the outer diameter to match the splines on the tube. You hit the button, the tube slides from one axle to bridge both axles together, and Bob's your uncle, you're in 4x4. But, there's probably only 2 to 3 inches of tube on each side of each axle, so the ALL of the power sent to the front axle is dependent on this thing staying in one piece. This is where we have the unforeseen stress factor - if it's a cast disconnect, you could have casting flaws, porosity, any number of things to reduce the strength of the part that would NOT be readily apparent. If it's steel, it could have been too brittle, metallurgy isn't right for the PSI the part is seeing, the list goes on.
The takeaway is, I bet Toyota's VERY interested, because unlike Ford or GM, they WILL recall trucks to solve this problem.
Insane cope
I love it- “designed to fail”- make the damn thing strong enough, regardless.
… And have to replace the transmission
Extreme conditions failure. This is deeply concerning as TFL was not operating their truck in extreme conditions. Now imagine a solo 2024 Tacoma owner 30 miles out in 4x4 conditions and this happens. There’ll be no 20 Toyota engineers helping you. Sheldon spoke so highly that this vehicle was extensively tested to commercial standards. This sincerely shakes my confidence.
On a slippery slope covered in ice in which neither truck had great traction, even andre slipped and fell and hurt himself, is extreme for 90% of people. TFL takes their trucks where normal people wont
@@beexiong2995 I wonder when I drive my truck over an overpass in icy/snowy conditions that I have to worry about the frt diff blowing up? Extreme like that?🙄
@@beexiong2995 we have different views of what’s extreme with a Trd Tacoma, 4 x 4. To an average American who owns this truck that was a simple four-wheel-drive trail that shouldn’t lead to any damage to the drivetrain.
@beexiong2995 You're kidding, right? I've been in 2 feet of snow in 4 low tearing it up many times in my GMC. And I'm talking about city streets in Buffalo NY.
Myself I’ve pull a semi with my 3rd gen 4runner without breaking nothing, I could keep up with a 300 series Land Cruiser and a Nissan Patrol crossing rivers and miles of riverside where I pull unstuck a 2020 ford ranger and I do all without even think something its gonna break…Toyota needs to do their vehicles hard to break like the old ones if.
Im not from the USA, Im from south America our every day comute its what you call “crossover trails” 😂
If this happened to a regular customer (non youtuber), Toyota would do whatever it takes to blame it on the owner. Dont give them too much credit because they are taking good care of you, for obvious reasons.
agree
Very true
💯
exactly, that video made that engineer lose some sleep Im sure.
Couldn’t agree more, based on my own Toyota ownership experience. It’s too bad that TFL had to back down from the raw commentary they provided in the previous video - in that video Andre very clearly said that they never encountered a failure of this sort on that trail in 8 years of testing. Now all we are hearing is about the “early production” truck, when in fact Toyota has had to issue a series of recalls on their trucks in the last few weeks alone. This, after Toyota and its dealers feel quite comfortable charging premium prices for their cars and trucks too.
I'm a lifelong Toyota fan after having owned several older Taco's and even a Rav4. They make quality vehicles that usually outlast our US Domestic stuff which is huge selling point for them. That being said I wished we still had self locking hubs and 𝙉𝙊𝙏 all the electric BS we now have because it was tried and true and functional without failure. As a mechanic they just keep making stuff harder for us to work on and more costly to repair.
Top reason why I'm seriously considering buying a 2020-2023 Taco or 4Runnner next year. May not be as sexy and worse on gas mileage but there are a ton of aftermarket part options and those vehicles have been tried-and-true for years. A quick look at Toyota's website shows consumers can't even buy a nice crew cab with 4-Wheel Drive for under $40k. Can't even imagine what they'll want for the base Trail Hunter and Pro models. We all know that the 4Runner will likely be even worse. Not to mention the saturation of packages that easily add $4k-5k+.
I shake my head in approval as I crawl under my Gen3 Tacoma to make a simple oil filter change as difficult as possible.
ADD sounds like a 5amp fuse for something running 10amps.
The most unbelievable part of such a mechanical failure so early on is not that it actually happened but that the dealer response and factory involvement was so rapid. Average owners know intuitively had this happened to them, regardless of manufacturer, it would be days/weeks of waiting for an appointment then endless rounds of this is not covered under warranty from the dealer. Note to self, own a media company and have engineering connections at the manufacture is the lesson learned here.
The lesson I got was NEVER buy a new over priced junk truck from any brand. 🤣
Considering how slow Toyota has been with issues on their other cars like the GR86's high G-Force oil starvation I wouldn't trust TFL's experience in the slightest.
NAHHH they tempted FATE..and you know what does happen whe you tempt FATE..off roading with no GSP..you suffer the indignation of whoops something badly went wong!
Why would this not be covered under warranty? I keep seeing this kinda comment. EDIT: I work a Toyota dealership. lol
The minute a vehicle leaves the pavement it’s considered a severe/extreme or potential abuse use type of scenario. Ironic, especially when brands are advertising their trucks to consumers as lifestyle/adventure off-road vehicles. Not doubt, Toyota will make things right in this specific instance due to the PR side of things but for the average consumer (as with most other vehicle brands) it would prove more difficult to get fixed as part of a warranty claim.
I’m glad dozens of Toyota specs came out to diagnose and repair ur truck. That doesn’t happen in the real world.
They do send out engineers for these problems though. I have a friend who's tundra had a steering wheel shake. After the dealership exhausted their resources and still couldnt fix it (i think he had it in there 4-5 times) Toyota sent out an engineer who worked on it for about a week to find the underlying issue and fix the problem. It was an improperly torques steering rack. this was a 2018-2019? model. So its not like the generation was even new. They might not send a dozen but they sent one and not on a new gen. Pretty good in my book. I now own a Tundra as well after GM told me to suck it on 2 trucks in a row with catastrophic failures around 100k miles. No engineer came out to tear down my engine or transmission to tell me why they failed so early with following the dealer recommended maintenance to a T
They absolutely do send engineers to the field all the time, regardless if it’s a CZcamsr
in the real world the gas pedal just sticks too soon????
@@Enchanted3DPrints This isn't a sophisticated problem. It's just shear pins that were far too weak. Any backyard Joe wrencher could've told what the problem was and had it fixed later that day.
The whole engineering team story is just pure Toyota PR.
I ordered a new 2022 TRD OFF ROAD 4X4 manual in Lunar Rock and Love it. I have a real key, an e-brake lever and didn't want all the "driver assistance packages"...just a truck that can out live me...hopefully. The Active cruise control and radar system is pretty cool I have to say though. It will apply more pressure to the brakes if it decides I'm not doing enough..lol so that along with the ACC is needed in my S. Florida environment. I plan on leaving the state when I retire and figured the 4X4 can go pretty much anywhere if need be. My neighbor just purchased a SR5 and...I just doesn't look like a.."truck" in a sense..to me at least...rugged I guess is what I'm after. It's nice, but not for me.
Yeah those toyotas are the king of tough mall parking lot trucks.
I wish all dealers would treat the everyday customer like Toyota treats you guys, lol
You want all the dealers to sell us overpriced slavery plastic junk thay breaks on the trail no one elses vehicles broke on?
Considering how early the issue appeared, Toyota corporate would be interested anyway (no mater if its a youtuber's car or a regular person's car) to take a look at the problem and perhaps issue a recall of that part.
When I picked up the latest gen Rav4 in '19 I had one of the first few adventure grade out of the plant. There were multi terrain select issues. My local toyota dealership treated me the same way? Brought it in. Diagnosed the problem. Reached out to Toyota corp and the problem was solved within a week...
In their defense, people really are lying idiots.
Local dealer to average Joe: you bought it in Texas and not here? Our first opening is next month...
too friggin' true.
Exactly！I agree!
If we weren't famous people this car broke down and probably wouldn't have gotten so much attention. Anyway thanks for the video guys!
Thanks for the update, re-considering my thought's of purchasing one..
That's Exactly where I am @ now
Awesome video! Now, when the broken ADD component is replaced with the new ADD component, quickly take it back to Iron Wood trail, before it melts. Run it through the exact same patch and see if the transfer case holds this time. 😃 Don’t be shy! You owe Toyota and your viewers that much.
We all know toyota is going to send them a hand-selected part thats been gone over with a fine-toothed comb.
@@John_Redcorn_wouldn't surprise me if they go over the whole truck at this point while they have it in the shop.
I guarantee you the aftermarket is already having engineering meetings to delete that system and go full manual locking hubs.
Yes, please.
@@John_Redcorn_Yeah, like they have hand selected parts laying around for an all new model.
If it "is" a manufacturing fault then expect reports of others having the same issue. At this point the only replacement parts will be from the same batch that the truck came with.
It's scary how easily the front differential broke. Especially with the weight shifted to the back of the the truck. I imagine Toyota was thinking the same thing after seeing the video. Fluke? Possible. Weak part/design affecting all new Tacomas? Yeah, that's possible too. We won't know for sure unless it happens again. Toyota is not going to tell us if it is a weak part/design.
The part was likely weakened before and just eventually snapped.
Metal parts experience fatigue.
Google Fatigue (material).
Obviously how TFL used the truck since they’ve owned it is within expectable usage scenarios and it should simply not break.
That’s what happens when you increase Torque with a turbo and forget to re-engineer the front axle to handle the extra torque. In the video you can hear the turbo spinning pretty good!
@@johnb1658
Theoretically yes, practically no, not really.
The vehicle wasn’t pushed that much to cause such a failure.
Even due to fatigue, it is still way to early.
@@valdius85 A new truck shouldn't be suffering from metal fatigue.
@@johnb1658 Good point!
ty for sharing, can't wait to see what happens ... btw while puppy was up I started to notice some of your parts having surface rust already ... kinda quick
Thank you for this update.
That snap was a hidden feature….. PreRunner mode…..no extra charge
Perfect! LMAO
😡🤬 You guys towed the trailer well before the BREAK-IN period. Not allowing the joints and gears to be lubed enough! OWNERS FAULT!
I have had a toyota for years and they are pretty good at solving issues that arise from customer complaints and usage more better than most other car manufacturers so am still on team Toyota
@seymorefact4333 you must be a bored lonely person.
@@legion1630 Team?
Offroad truck, but dont take it offroad because it might break. Got it!!!
How Toyota has fallen.
😅😅😅
This basically sums up this entire saga.
Just make sure you have a capable truck nearby to bail you out.
@@elche1976 The new Frontier. Thats the only capable truck left for sale.
Thank you very much for the updates! Way to to go Toyota getting to the bottom of this. Looking forward to the next video 😊
Thanks for the Update
I only wish that we the unknown buyers would get this type of treatment from the dealer let alone the manufacturer!
In our world the fight is only getting started !
As always stay safe and healthy.
Funny how that Chevy Colorado did just fine under those so-called “extreme” conditions. Y’all really oughta make sure to point that out to Toyota since they’re going on about “extreme conditions.” 😂
Agreed, nothing should've failed from what they were doing.
If you ask a Toyota adherent, they will claim that they buy Toyota since they ' rust ' for ever
colorado is more mechanical in nature .
But the Colorado gets bricked because of over-the-air updates (see Andres earlier videos). Pick your poison I guess
yet, you cant even buy a Colorado or Canyon right now due to them putting a stop to mfg because of issues lol
WOW amazing TY so much ,,Keep up the great work
This is a very fair assessment. Things break; what’s important is how one is treated with the repair.
And here comes recall #1 for the 4th gen Tacomas!
and many more to come
They're saying it's a feature not a bug! 😂
Hard to believe that a 30 year old truck is only on it's 4th gen.. awesome!
No Toyota will say it was an extreme condition that caused the part to fail and everything worked as designed. They’re just looking out for us.
The tundras already have a pretty serious recall
Engineering Team at Toyota: The part is designed to fail in order to protect the rest of the differential.
Also Engineering Team at Toyota: The part is non-replaceable and requires the entire differential be replaced.
Good one!!! 😂😂
Imagine driving a fwd Toyota SUV, and you lose all power going over a pebble on an outskirts road.
Thanks for the heads up, will you please show what the defective part looks like. Thanks for everything.
Well, that was certainly an eye opener. Also one can dream of that dealership treatment down where I live.
For TFL they will work on it. For everyone else you have to pay
They have lawyers theyll try to find any excuse in the book to not pay to fix their junk lemons theyre selling to people as "quality" simply because they slapped a t on it. If i removed the toyota badge and stuck a hyundai badgd on it suddenly everyone would say "wow look how junk it is!"
Going fast forward I can't believe how much talking they do without saying anything. 😂
They were padding out the video to make it over 10 minutes to get more ad revenue. I just skipped to the end.
Reminds me of middle school essay assignments haha
I agree
Lol. This channel is complete staged crap but the sheeple believe it.
They've actually gotten better at this. Andre has actually cut out a lot of filler words and gets to the point much better than he used to. Roman still has some work to do, but is actually maybe 10% better than he used to be.
Thank you for the update! Looking forward to some ranger raptor stuff :) I might need one of those, should be top notch performance and look good too
I have been bashing and smashing 4x4's for over 40 years and this was not extreme conditions! This was more like driving to the local store after a snow and ice storm from a mountain cabin. This was not a good look at a new truck.
Lesson: Always video your "extreme" driving. Otherwise, the manufacturer will blame "user error."
my third gen would eat that trail for breakfast......just saying
Nah if it was one of us they’d deny it because of the video
@@ReelNewwt I found Toyota Canada to be quite reasonable. One of my front shocks popped a seal during warranty, Truck had obvious pinstriping and trail rash. Shock was replaced no questions asked.
The ToyotaTacoma is made for the toughest mall runs in North America.
Only malls in the south tho, they aren’t very reliable in the north with snow squalls and icy spots apparently 😳
I don't know. Those mall parking lots with the curb stops make it dicey.
Jeeps are the true road princess of suburban America.
@@cup_and_coneTacoma sounds like it wants to join them
😂😂😂
Toyotas are girly trucks!!
I’m sure that if I had the same experience, I wouldn’t have received a call from Toyota engineers. But, I’m glad you did. By raising these issues on your channel you help all other owners by making the OEM take notice. And, you’re probably ultimately also helping Toyota. Toyota trucks biggest selling point is not features or value-ii’s reliability. By pointing out a problem with an early production vehicle, you give them a chance to address the problems before the problem occurs to hundreds or thousands of customers. Unlike a regular customer, you know exactly how you were using the vehicle and exactly what was going on at the time of failure. So, I’m happy you get special treatment. It’s a service to everyone.
Your honesty is always the greatest reasons I watch you guys.
I toyota already on it seems like they are going to be needing to do some updates to future 4th gen years
"Designed to fail under extreme conditions." This was just trying to climb a slick hill, and you guys were lucky enough that it happened to be on a trail with a backup truck. If this happened trying to get home during an ice and snow storm, you would have been stranded. I also have my doubts that this is a 100% brand new part in this early production truck. I would bet it's the same part inside the differential they've been using for years.
Also, if it didn't happen on camera for the whole world to see, that truck would still be sitting at the dealership waiting to be looked at.
I think they were hinting that something is wrong if it's designed for extreme loads and then this happened.
@mad-meh2719 Yes, but Toyota using that when we all saw that it was pretty standard stuff.
I learned to keep my money in my pocket and ill walk to the grvoery store. Id rather compared to being scammed and robbed by toyota our "heros" or the others. All scam artists as far as im concerned. Government too corrupt automotive too cheap. Children on puberty blockers. Men in womens restrooms lockerrooms wrestling matts. I refuse. Bring on the mass starvation its past due.
Wow, your driveway has a sheer-vertical cliff in the middle?
Or what road, specifically, do you drive that would have anything vaguely in the realm of a similar situation?
@@tim3172 This did not break under some sort of extreme load. It happened on a slick surface that the truck was spinning the tires slowly while stationary. Those of us that live where we get winter deal with similar spinning of tires on hills and driveways all the time. This is an absolute joke that it broke under so small of a stress.
It's such a relief that this happened to a super known Car YT channel and not to your average Joe that'll likely not even get the time of day at those Toyota Dealerships
I wonder if the dealer or Toyota corporate would be so generous and quick to respond to a customer who doesn't have the same business relationship. I feel if broght a new Tacoma with the same issue, there would be some loop hole or warranty statement they would tell me its not covered. You guys have privilege because you have a youtube channel and can easily tell it like it is. Did you eve buy the truck or was it donated for your channel?
amazing video thank you
TFL should have dropped it off to the dealer without informing Toyota corporate to see if there was any hassle about having it repaired, now that Tacoma VIN number is surely red flagged in a Toyota database somewhere.
20 people working on it !! 1 Engineer and 19 bean counters !!!
But it was designed to fail, lol
I'd bet it is 20 engineers. Not so much that it necessarily takes that many, but rather that you want to figure it out and fix it quickly, and have that knowledge across the group. Look at the recalls that Toyota does. They are often on things that may fail, and haven't had many serious accidents. And since Toyota uses the same parts across a bunch of things, it's best to figure this out now, before the part potentially goes into the new land cruiser and even 4runner. It could just be that higher low end torque. Bad metallurgy on this batch? Bad assembly? Or likely a combination of those things plus a new part that doesn't have a little wear on it. How many times has it been in 4wd in those first 3600 miles? It shouldn't fail, but they don't want it to happen for others.
1 engineer, 2 bean counters, and the rest PR and lawyers....
I just hope they actually fix this. I think this Channel needs to test the fix.
lmao
I'm keeping my 2001 Tacoma. It's my daily driver and still runs great.
Saw your first video, awesome stuff. I am still a die hard toyots guy, I just won't buy the new tacoma for a while. Curious to see what their fix will be to prevent this issue in the future. Be sure to post that video to talk about their solution when they have one! 👌👍
This is a actually good TFL was involved with this failure that way Toyota will make a swift change to fix and make better.
😡🤬 You guys towed the trailer well before the BREAK-IN period. Not allowing the joints and gears to be lubed enough! OWNERS FAULT!
@seymorefact4333 yeah ok. That's not how that works.
@@seymorefact4333 _Lubrication does not work that way! GOOD NIGHT!_ 🦖🛸
@@seymorefact4333 They actually met their break in period restrictions the day they bought the truck. They drove it back to Colorado from Texas.
@@explorer197020Sorry, they stopped in Dallas to pick up a trailer and towed it back to Colorado. So proper break-in was not followed. But I’ll bet this did not cause the diff failure.
To have that fail under those conditions, what the truck was designed for, can put owners in dangerous situations. That was rather pathetic for it to fail like that.
90% of owners wouldnt take it up there in ice and snow.
@@beexiong2995 You do know that people live in those conditions. Are you imply they should expect their vehicles to break because they live where it's cold with snow and ice?
@@beexiong2995 well there is ice and snow at the local Walmart..
@@paulhunter9613 im pretty sure the walmart parking lot is flat. Not on the side of a mountain slope
@@riccochet704 i dont see any houses where they broke the truck. Thats an offroad course
Loved it when the guy driven was like “That didn’t sound good” 😂😂😂
Great follow-up from both TFLT and Toyota. A lexus saved my life at 130mph. As soon as i can recover financially, I'll be back. Truck high but slow with low...tq.
The 24 tacoma front diff housing is cast iron. The ADD is now aluminum goes to the passenger side. That broke. Third gen it is complerely cast iron.
Are you saying the housing broke or the parts inside broke. Transmission housing are made aluminum and those don’t break.
and the truck is 20k more with china made parts.
Toyota has so many people looking at it because they actually have a video of the event. The video show that the damage occurred during normal stress. That raises concern that it could be a common occurrence.
I feel like you guys were REALLY nice about this whole situation because it was a Toyota!
Needless to say, I'm m pretty happy with my 2023 Colorado Trailboss so far.
It has seen quite a bit of offroading with NO issues.😁
I get people’s complaints that TFL got special treatment but that’s not really their fault and on top of that this is now a very public issue for Toyota. This will benefit anyone else going forward with the same issue.
This is the best GM advertising I've seen in a long time.
Yep
Don't be fooled, GM makes over priced junk too. 🤣
@@mikelovin7show me the canyon blowing up traversing an obstacle an 81 year old grandmother can conquer on foot
Nah GM is second to Stelantis in the junk category. You know it. Quit hating on Toyota. Yes the new stuff may never be the same as the older generations. So that's why I'll stick to buying used, older generation Toyotas from now on.
Don't think so,bought a brand new 60k Silverado with less then 1000k miles already had lifters replaced by dealer.
I feel like they should have brought it in as a “regular” customer first then reached out Toyota. As someone who had issues with warranty on my Tacoma several years ago (no longer a customer) I think the audience needs to know what a regular reaction to the issue would have been.
I agree 100%. If this happens to anyone else please do record it. We want to see Toyotas treatment of customers. They have been making some jacked up design and engineering decisions for years now. German crap especially. If this continues one will be forced to consider other manufacturers junk as a purchase option.
We know what the reaction is like when youre not youtube famous and toyota doesnt have to worry about screwing you because if a bear shits in the woods and no one saw it did it reallt happen? Thats 100% the toyota we are dealing with today. Theyre selling junk for high prices its not quality either. Infact the average quality is lowest its ever been in my life esspecially with toyota and all the others. Robbery scam artists.
Toddlers breaking stuff & expecting others to fix them; hilarious 😂 bravo TFL...
Good work guys.
"Extreme conditions" is Toyota's way of saying, "you're not suppose to take it off the pavement, you pretty little princess. Now give us more money"
Wow. Would Toyota also have 20 engineers working on my Toyota warranty problem?
They might have 20 lawyers working on it...
Its a very smart idea to make the center axle disconnect be the weaker link of failure but unfortunately it just doesnt work as well as intended. Many other manufactures have done this. I believe the late 80s jeep wagoneer was the first to utilize a center axle disconnect( or as toyota refers the ADD). Many other manufactures except ford followed up with the design but gradually moved away due to too many failures.
My personal opinion is that the best front axle disconnect system was manually locking hubs. I use to offroad with bronco axles and while many jeep Rubicons would break expensive axle shafts, i just break a 30 dollar hub that is quickly swapped on the trail.
I was the one that gave you the thumbs up on 119 leaving Boulder! Cool to see your 4th gen for the first time!
After I saw when the truck broke. I watched the Car Care Nut channel. He showed that one of the changes to save weight on the 4th gen vs. the 3rd gen was towards the passenger side of the front differential center housing. It's now an all aluminum bolt on section. That's where the actuator and A.D.D. are located. Prior to watching this, I had already placed my bet on it being within that area of the front differential. They should have left it cast iron right across like it is on the 3rd gen. I'm still happy that I bought my 23 at this point.
Very good "detective" work on your part. I just watched a TCCN video where Ahmed talks about the new 2024 Taco. (It's probably the same video you're talking about.) I too just recently got a 2023 Taco (with a manual) and I'm also glad that I got that.
It being aluminum isn't a weak point.
I wonder if people can update and buy diff armor for this weakness. I love my 3rd gen more and more.
The next gen theyll be plastic like the bed and youll still buy it dooming us
@@stephencruz885If the differential tube was weak and broke, oil would have leaked out. Most likely it’s the slide collar inside or shaft that broke
The 'snap' heard 'round the world.
that's forsure
😅Oh!! ........😂SnAP.
😅Oh!! .........😅SnAP.
Keep up with the good work
It's still shows poor quality if they can't make early trucks properly. Unless Toyota gets a mulligan on the first 1000 or so.
There are 20 people working on the problem because they know it shouldn't have failed. The video shows it wasn't even that aggressive of a driving situation. The traction control probably caused the failure or whatever toyota calls their TC system.
Yupp truck broke it self
TC, total crap. Lol
I'm guessing Toyota will offer a software flash to fix the traction control damaging the transfer case.
It's a huge campaign to keep it on the down low because now in the internet generation you can't get away with making junk. Ford's been doing it for 30 years and now social media has caught up with it
And how much did this little TOYota cost? Stupid money for a bunch of weak sauce parts that are "designed to fail" sprinkled with nanny tech.
There's something that needs to be said about manual levers and locking hubs. All of this "mother may I?" tech in these newer vehicles is another elephant in the room. Asking permission from a computer to shift from 4L to 4H is ridiculous.
It’s nice having a public channel that keeps Toyota honest. It’s nice that they got a dozen engineers looking at the problem. Hopefully, it gets an update on the 2025?
I think toyota will recall and fix this problem on all new 2024 tacoma
Try 2026-2027. They have a track record of slowly implementing changes or updates.
TFL enjoying the 'white glove' treatment 😄
@@vais3 Slowly having updates on not critical areas, but there will be a recall on a major problem on the best selling small truck in America.
@@erics3527 I love how you throw in "best selling small truck in America" like that somehow justifies a $50k 4x4 self-destruction with moderate 4x4 use. Hilarious.
I worked for Toyota and my experience is Toyota stands behind their vehicles. When I work there I seen them replace engines that were well out of warranty for a recall. We had engineers fly out and shadow customers to see what they were used for. We were in northern Canada working in gas and oil industry.
Love the shot of the taco in the mustang side view mirror. Mustang got those big hips in th rear quart
Toyota must be cursing the metallurgy of their Chinese supplier right now😅
I knew a lady working in the steel market. Steel has gone up a lot because most of it had been coming out of the Ukraine before the war. No one trusts or wants Chinese steel she said.
Toyota does smelt their own metal and perform QC?
They are Chinese?
@@trumptookthevaccine1679 do you want to buy a bridge?
Reality of this was a normal clients truck
The dealer would have blamed it on misuse
But now Toyota cost cutting is exposed
Sucks huh
@@joeblack1052 The dealer would have fixed it under warranty. I have a business and tow with my tundra. whenever there's been an issue they've fixed it without question. Have you never owned a car with a warranty?
@@Enchanted3DPrints Was it the exact same circumstances?
Warranties do not apply when there is "misuse" or "abuse". Defining "misuse" or "abuse" is difficult, so things like ADD are created not only to limit major mechanical damage but also as a way to create an indication of "extreme" usage. Never mind whether it's actually an accurate indication, it easily becomes a way to form a ground for denying warranties.
Had there been no evidence here and, instead of a popular YT channel with thousands of followers, had this been any old Joe Taco looking to get his truck fixed, would they have bent over backwards to handle this?
I'm looking forward to see this run it's course. No offense, but I'm glad this happened to you guys, so it won't be buried, or swept under the carpet.
"That part is designed to fail" in a nice way. ha ha ha ha Way to put it nicely.
Well, you just made the valid point it’s designed to fail under extreme conditions what you were doing on that day was not in any way, shape or form extreme therefore, they build junk
So the Taco has shear pins! 😂
Bahahaha like a snow blower
Yup. That you need to bring to the dealer to repair.
@@watchingvideos4309 I was just going to say that!
A Thoth pick pin holding the differential in place.
LOL
If only they hadn't contacted Toyota to experience how a dealership treats the average everyday Joe. I can't just ring up Toyota's PR or engineers to have them work on my truck!
After thinking about it I bet they were running into issues with Toyota that is why they called the Toyota PR team! 😂😂😂
If the techs at the dealer are having a hard time diagnosing an issue, help line and the field engineers do get involved. It happens more than you think.
"I have a 2000 Nissan R50 Pathfinder that I've been using for off-roading for the past 24 years. I usually take it out 7 to 10 times a year and during this time, I've only had to replace 3 CV joints. In comparison, modern 4WD vehicles seem to break down after just one off-road trip. I think the quality and toughness of early 2000s 4WDs cannot be beaten."
Glad I went with the Jeep Gladiator. For those "EXTREME" gravel roads I take to go camping I have peace of mind my diff isn't going to snap when I hit a pothole.
Take it back to the exact same spot and see what happens. I'm glad Toyota's engineering team is getting involved. Will be interesting to see if they change the design of anything.
The video of it breaking is like watching an athlete’s sports injury. 😳
😂😂😂
Joe Theismann Syndrome?
I'm just thankful they cut the part where Andre fell on the ice 😬
Ankel snap
I’m sure someone from Toyota or the dealership heard all about this vehicles breakdown on the trail, it’s all over the truck sites, they watch them also. The “snap heard around the world”😝
Any chance y’all can interview the Toyota engineer team again? I’m glad they’re on top of it! Thanks for the update, guys!