Will It Break AGAIN? I Crawl The New Toyota Tacoma Up The Same Rock That Exploded The Front Diff!
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TOYOTA NEEDS TO HAVE A RECALL! many owners will take it off road and THIS WILL HAPPEN TO ALL EVENTUALLY! PLUS, TOWING FROM OFF ROAD LOCATION!
Toyota not including a full size spare tire on an off road trim, is criminal.
At this point in the game, I guess we should be happy Toyota even provides one at all. They seem to be allergic to giving the end customer any more value than absolutely necessary.
the whole company is...
And plastic skid plates, and tow hooks buried under the front bumper. Even the freaking Jeep renegade has way better tow hooks.
Wanna go off-road? Subaru!
I figured it was a lightweight racing slick...
A donut spare on a 47k offroad truck is criminal 😭
Not a redemption video since there was 0 snow on the trail!
Toyota is also having engine troubles with the tundra
It didn’t slip because there was no snow. Unlike last time.
Maybe, the mud can get real slippery too and that grade is a lot more steep than it looks on video.
@@fredsausage8794 There is no mud in CO. And even if there was, the dirt itself is like sand paper. Think granulated granite, as opposed to what I was used to before moving to CO from GA, snot-slick clay. It's amazing how grippy the dirt is in CO, and nearby areas.
@@samjohnson9894 No mud in Co. lol..............what are you drinking ? Another meathead.
Just because it is not like Georgia but does not mean that it is not mud.@@samjohnson9894
They stressed it a lot more when it broke.
you guys have bought a ridiculously expensive roof top tent, yet you can't get rid of those stupid predator steps for a legit slider?
Especially considering how many good options there are locally in CO
Well since they're are going to sell it eventually removing the factory gear will decrease it's value significantly.
@@triedproven9908 removing shitty factory step(they absolutely suck) or having rock sliders will have absolutely zero impact on the value of the vehicle🤣
You know what will hurt the value significantly? A huge dent/crushed rockers from not having any protection…
They weren't sponsored by a rock slider company.
@@bananarobotoverlord ain’t that the truth😂
Just look at that spare tire on your TRD off-road. 😂
Right?! It looks like a tire from the 1950s. That's some shady cost-cutting by Toyota. Even my base 2018 SR5 4Runner came with a Dunlop that matched the stock tires and had reasonable tread.
Looks good. For a track tire maybe. haha
Pretty depressing when a large manufacturer cuts cost under our noses. Cannot beleive the fact that they would charge so much for this truck and not even give you a full size spare.
They should do an off road test with that spare on, to simulate a real situation! Bring it on!
@@dannylewandowski2822 Cut costs, raise prices. Yeah, that will bring the customers in. 🤪
My front differential and transfer case was replaced with only 500 miles on the 2023 Tundra..The engine is running okay but I've been hearing that some engines are spinning bearings on the crank...
Do you know what happened to both your front diff and transfer case, or what symptoms did it start having?
21k on my ‘23 tundra and zero issues.
So many rumors about the TTv6 spinning bearings - what are the numbers? The internet makes it seem like all of them are ready to break, but doing some research the only numbers I have seen are something like 80 vehicles (LX and Tundra) actually reported. That is a very low percentage...
@BPJac I work for one of the largest dealers in the Midwest and one of our partner store toyota dealership do 1 tt v6 about every week. They are a small toyota dealership in the scheme of things. The service manager at that store certainly made a huge stink about dealing the the customers with those vehicles with them screaming at him and how their in rental vehicles for weeks into months. I'm pretty sure the manufacture is also on low supply of replacement new engines too which means big trouble is coming for all of us to witness on CZcams.
@@BPJac BTW as of may 30 2024 toyota is recalling 102,000 lexus and toyota vehicles with the tt v6 lol
How on Earth have you guys had this for 3 months and STILL not removed those stupid Predator tube steps?!?!
They probably have a debt payment on it because of the mortgage you need to pay for this expensive thint.
Because they are inexperienced yuppie off-roaders. When I got my new 2019 4Runner, they came off within two weeks. The Predator steps are horrible off-road and the presence of them on a rig is a clear sign that the owner is ignorant in regards to off-roading.
I left them on until I bent one then grinded them all off and sprayed it looks awesome better than rubbing door frame
Totally agree. I had them on my 4Runner when I was a noob. I eventually found out that real sliders are the most important upgrade besides tires. You gain 3-4 inches of clearance and protect your vehicle.
Those steps would be gone if it were mine.
They said they were going to remove them when the first got the truck, but still they stay.
@@cartopia6161I guess because that involves turning a wrench, and I don't think anyone besides Case actually knows how to do that.
They’d be gone because the truck would be gone. That first 30 seconds was pathetic
"So, in order to make it up to Toyota we are out here to show you there is nothing to worry about (when there's no snow on the ground)...we're still cool to go to the next Toyota all-inclusive event...right Toyota?"
Nailed it.
Seriously. Pathetic
100%. TFL are shills.
Seems like it was driven extra carefully and the snow lessens the stress on the drivetrain.
They didn’t get a Land Cruiser before hand like some others did so I think this not a fair criticism.
Where is the full explanation from Toyota we were promised? Did I miss that video. I know it was the actuator that failed. But to my knowledge we ever got the why it failed straight from Toyota.
Be patient young grasshopper
They said Toyota took the broken parts back for research and that's the end of it. They won't tell
I have the patience. I just believe after 3 months or more Toyota knows. And possibly TFL. Think it’s just being swept under the rug.
My guess is that when the truck tried to send power to that one wheel the pin couldn't take the load. The actuator is just a glorified magnet and from the sound of it that wasn't what broke. The exception is if the pin popped out of lock with such force it pushed through into the actuator housing which would mean the seat for the pin is designed with poor tolerances maybe so the actuators wouldn't need to be beefy? But I'd have to take a look.
for this particular problem, it might have been a one-off though...i haven't seen anyone else documenting a similar problem.
Not as much snow and ice around though. So the setup is easier man.
You guys left when Roman went to use the washroom didn’t you😂
The frontier pro4x has 2 more cylinders and is much cheaper
$10,000 is too much Toyota Tax. I like the Taco more but would buy a Frontier if I were in the market.
Time will tell on the new Tacos, but so far, that $10,000 will reliably come back in resale value. Not so much for Nissans which have terrible resale values.
It still has IFS and no solid axle
@@rickthomas422but who cares since everyone drives em for 500K. 🤷♂️😂
Frontier is too old for 46k. You cant even get a telescoping steering wheel. It's clear nissan benchmarked the 3rd gen tacoma. Same formula minus the offraod modes.
No snow or ice, this isint the same comparison. Just take blueballs I mean blueberry home. 😂
4:25 he states that here
@@panchosancho1000 Them stating it doesn't change that fact that it's no longer the same test so...
How exactly is that new truck reliable when it's already broken? Reliable usually mean it can withstand anything you throw at it. Seem like it's no longer as reliable as it's predeccessor.
There are always rare faults that pop up with every system. Nothing is 100% perfect all the time. There have been rare issues with the last generation too. Now if you started hearing about the same problem from others using it for off roading and a pattern emerges then you can make the generalization that it’s less reliable.
Don't forget who lines their pockets.
Grind those steps off
Doesn’t make sense that they would put those on a trd off road they reduce the break over angle tremendously
But then how would the regional distribution folks make a buck? Door edge cards and floor mats won't pay their bills. There's still the spray-on bedliner I suppose. I prefer no side steps of any kind on any vehicle. They just get in the way. Wet, dirty damn things! The bed cargo divider $420 would be a lot more practical. And alternately, they might as well load some up with the $1,350 hard tonneau.
It's just bolted on but I agree
Yes normal tube running boards would even be better than these steps that have a step hanging down below the the running board lol, catch a rock and turn you sideways or rip them off.
Those Predator steps are garbage, it was the 1st thing I removed from my 23 4runner. I did sell them pretty quick for $300 😁
Completely agreed. It seems counterintuitive to have flimsy side steps on a so-called "Off-Road" version instead of proper rock sliders.
Doughnut spare on a truck…… lol
Oh shit you're right! lol
As a gen 2 owner and a long time TFL viewer I can’t believe you would call that test remotely comparable to what you did when it broke. I appreciate you acknowledged that conditions are different but I wouldn’t put my name behind this truck. The side steps are also aweful. What was Toyota thinking???
Those "predator" steps have no useful function other than being predatory towards customer. Why wouldn't Toyota offer something more useful if they need that to get away from chicken tax?...
They've been using those steps since the 3rd gen
So there’s only a 50% chance it will break on a reasonably easy obstacle?
Yeah I’d be curious to know how many of those front diff failures have occurred so far.
@@slingerriggin5226 as a 4G Tacoma owner myself, I have been following all of the Tacoma forums to see trends in failures and issues, no one else has reported a front end diff failure that I can find.
Most underrated comment @johnsodx
It does seem curious that they do something, a part breaks, they get the part replaced, then they do the same thing again, the new part doesn’t break, and somehow that means that there is nothing to worry about?
@@johnsodx of course that’s not how engineering works, but that’s what they are doing here. The information is useless as long as it isn’t understood what caused the breakage. Still it would be fair to assume that Toyota probably fixed the issue in some way, but Toyota never admits failure. So this is normal procedure.
I am waiting on the full details on what exactly broke and why, Toyota owes all of us that
The transfer case blew.
toyota did release a statement that explained the truck is cheaply made, in mexico..........lol
They made a video about it on a previous upload.
Good comment!! Great video as usual! Thanks Andre and Nathan!
I can’t watch TFL anymore because every 2 minutes it’s a product placement. I get it, you gotta make money, but boy 🤦♂️
Watching Andrei 'wheeling' is like watching Driving Miss Daisy 🤣
Let Nathan drive, for goodness sake! He'd squeeze some juice out of the blueberry 😁
Anyone worried about this has never owned a Toyota with a problem. If this becomes even remotely a widespread issue, Toyota will stand by their vehicles and repair it. They repainted my 4runner after 10 years because of a defect in the paint that only showed up well into the life of the vehicle (in my case 8 years).
My 2010 Tacoma had 3 warranty repairs before first 20K miles. They are not som perfect machines. I might go back to them someday. My biggest issue was I am 6'3 and it was the most uncomfortable truck I had ever been in. I was almost claustrophobic with the low roof. I don't worship any vehicles. All this "bullet proof" stuff is stupid. They all have issues at times.
@@danielrn133 I get that on the size. But I'm 5' 8" with a 5' wife. My new Tacoma is perfect for me and my Tundra (that I still have also) is just too big for my wife to comfortably drive. So I'm excited she can actually drive the Tacoma. And her daily driver is 2021 Wrangler, and I don't know how anyone over 200lbs comfortably drives one of those. They're not made for big people either. But it fits her perfectly.
this is the kind of video you have to make when you have to keep the bigwigs happy.
I'm almost sure the diff is a part shared with other models. So if it's an issue with the part, it will reveal it self in other models.
The differential is a Toyota only part and its the same differential since the 2003 4Runner. In other words, its a carryover part.
@@CACressida There are 4wd conversions from the cabover truck Dyna or Toyotace that use the Hilux front diff, and seem to hold the extra weight. Could been a issue with the part.
@RogerM88 or it could be an issue with that one ADD on that one Tacoma. I have 35s on my FJ that weigh 85 pounds each and my FJ weighs 6100 pounds which I use on extreme terrain and my differential is fine.
WHERE'S THE KABOOM?! THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE AN EARTH SHATTERING KABOOM!! - Marvin the Martian
This is the poster child for why steps are great for the mall but bad for the trail. Just take a few bolts off and remove them before hitting the trail. Then put them back on when you get home if you really need them. I saw a step get ripped off one end and shoved right through the door on a JK in Sand Hallow. Not pretty ;)
Get rid of the steps. It just doesn't sit high enough to warrant steps that drop that low. Glad it made it.
The steps make me question how legit TFL is in general.
I appreciate when you guys show the replay of the break and not like other channels that are like "go ahead and watch the video here"
Toyota instructed TFL to baby the Taco and don’t break it and we’ll take care of you in the future
1:32, yo, sorry our trucks break down but here's a slick watch.
Has anyone had that style steps and liked them? Form over function. Running boards are the way if you need a step. This truck should just have rock rails.
I have them on mine and like them a lot. If I was off roading I would swap them for sliders, though.
Take the damn side steps off, Put on rock rails!
That’s a good thing it happened while on warranty. The ones who don’t off road often may do the same damage after warranty and they will be up the creek without a paddle.
Nathan's comment about Roman at a bingo parlor was excellent. Love the digs. ;-)
Wow, very little rear axle articulation, I expected it to have more. I do like the new generations of 4 cylinder turbo engines by all brands. Very torquey low in the RPM range.
🤣🤣🤣 The flashbacks got me cracking up! Great roasty video editing... Like Columbian roast ☕. That was a good show. Andre's Tundra ideas... Love watching you guys.
As Nathan said: “(Blueberry) Did it without breaking a sweat” or a FAD. 😃
Toyota better be watching and planning A V6 for 2025-2026 tacos.
The age of Toyota’s legendary reliability is dead and gone. This is the first time in my life I don’t think of the Toyota powertrain as rock solid reliable.
Uh coming from the 3.Slow piece of shit 3VZ, that thing never inspired reliability. Probably toyotas legendary unreliable engine in history and it was in most 4Runners, pickups, T100, Camrys, ES300s.
Amazing how people forget about that horrible engine that made the 2g 4Runner a rare site to see nowadays but are quick to talk crap about this turbo 4 thats been out for years without an issue.
Gotta wait at least 5 years to find out. So far I haven’t heard any horror stories
@@CACressida exactly. Even the 3VZ had growing pains like the timing chain cover leaks.
It was so nice of toyota to charge more for less
I trust the car care nut reviews! He actually knows in detail what he is talking about
“That’s what I do”. lol
I'm emotionally over invested in the mechanical well being of this truck. It's too much stress and i don't even own this truck. Thanks, Toyota.
I said the same thing. They are paranoid and have to drive this thing like it's made out of glass. Stressful just watching them drive like my mom would through this.
Right!
Lol ,,,
@@jonesjones7057 painful to watch!
Do you use the steps when getting in and out?
Andrei: “Thank you for getting it up.” Nathan: “That’s what I do.” 😂😂
These guys have a great chemistry. You can tell the whole channel is just a couple of friends reviewing cars and trucks together.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I wasn't sure if anybody caught that.😂😂😂😂 Sneaky Nathan.
When you have to wonder if a Toyota will break again you know they went in the wrong direction lol
I just got into collecting mechanical watches and I've owned TRD Toyotas, man that ad hit hard.
Need to invite Whistlindiesel as guest on the channel to give Andre an anxiety attack during testing.
This is a channel for people with a brain
You guys are great. 😊
Great video y'all. I thought ya'll were going to get rid of the side steps long ago. That should be done before the next adventure for sure 😊
You can get rocker protector rails from dealership for the 2024. They look like the steps without the step. Trd pro has them.
The funny thing about current toyota is that even if some of their current products arent as bullet proof as their legacy products, theyre STILL more relaible than most other brands pumping out half baked junk that barely makes it home from the dealer lot.
I’d say Toyota is on par with ford now. Just way more expensive.
No redemption no ice !!!
Well....is there a review of the GFC camper? Glad to see the truck put out some grit.
Unbelievable how far Toyota has fallen in such a short time.
need to go high revs while testing the front diff again for a like for like test
The test wasn't the same because the snow wasn't even sticking to the ground. In order for the test be the same ice had to be covering the ground like last time.
Dang that direct injection clatters like a diesel.
Can we let Nathan do the off-road driving, I’m convinced Andre and Roman don’t know what they are doing
Geez, that thing sounds like a rattle can. Yikes.
Made in Mexico lol😂
@@jtomtlengine is made in usa
@@mad-meh2719engine parts are assembled in Mexico. 3rd gen 2.7 engine parts made in Japan but assembled in Mexico
sounds like small tractor at a farm.
“Designed to fail under (easy) conditions”?!?! How long is Toyota covering this amazing design for the customer?
There is talk that this engine will replace the diesel in places like Australia
You could feel the tension 😮 this wouldnt happen if youd take the freaking steps off. 😅 you guys definitely feel like family ❤❤❤
Excellent video guys, that engine even sounds like a diesel lol. To bad you couldn't duplicate the conditions.
those steps on a offroad trim is criminal it should have rock sliders factory
Those side steps are terrible especially for off roading they're just hands reaching out to grab anything that is close to them.
Those side steps are legit, they have taken some hits
Because they get in the way
Awesome video, love the new Tacoma. Isn't the diff that broke the same part that has been used on Tacomas and 4Runners since like 2004? If so why are people using that one breaking as a sign that Toyota has lost it? Keep up the great work guys!
Good video!
These manufacturers need to step it up. Waiting for the TRD pro, 2.7 ranger and RR drag race
In all likely-hood the rear being locked and having grip this time took a lot of the load off the front diff. The only way to prove the front diff wont blow apart again is to disconnect the rear, either mechanically or through a slick surface, and have the front diff get loaded up again...
Love my ZR2.
Let's see what happens
I like the predator steps I know q lot of guys don’t! But I love them! It is a matter of taste and how hard you want to go off road. For most we will use it on trails rated below 7. Most off roads I go are usually because I go with my family and they are rated around 5 average. Good for most trucks but do not recommend people doing what I see bringing a minivan awd in a 5 rated trail then getting stuck or destroyed under. Please use your vehicles in the capability that they are meant for. Only modified vehicles can go higher than a 7 period.
Agree with you 100%. While I admit they look out of place on my Pro because of its capability, at 5'4" my predator steps are perfect and I do light off roading only. To each his own.
TRD watch Racing grade aluminum?? lol yea ok. Mine is offroad grade aluminum
Nice that it redeemed it's self. Toyota now needs to redeem it's quality reputation.
That thing sounds like a diesel
Full explanation video with Toyota when? Actual torture test proving things were fixed when?
New model Toyotas aren't perfect - however they get fixed and Toyota improves the product quickly.
I think this is what people forget. As long as Toyota continue to fix the issues that come up they will retain their reputation for reliability. The first model years will show any weaknesses in the vehicle. It is up to manufacturers to actually properly address these.
Don’t try saying that to Gen 3 Tundra owners
Thanks for getting it up, Nathan!
I think the weight of the camper shell helped
I’d imagine the extra weight on the rear from the cap and tent could potentially help traction in a situation like this. Also placing more work on the rear of the vehicle
Those steps gotta go
Yeah the truck isn't high enough to really need them anyways.
Just had a brand new trd off road for my work rental. Cheap made and awkward did have good power and fuel economy was decent but just didnt feel or sound solid. I get multiple truck rentals of my choice throughout the year and the previous generation seemed much more solid made. This thing has the cheapest feel of any truck ive ever had just feels like it was engineered by a 16 year old. Im sure this truck is fine for mall crawling but wouldn't expect it to hold up off road or working much.
Which aspects felt cheap to make you think it couldnt hold up to long term use?
@ALMX5DP Just the overall feel of everything kind of hard to explain. I could be wrong might outlast everything on the road, but it just felt cheap and awkward especially for the price.
More off-road driving please.
285/75/R17 33.9 INCH TIRES BFG Mud Terrain WILL FIT WITH NO LIFT - Will help out !
I wonder if the extra weight in the back helped?
a watch? oh i guess that absolute warrants the price of the truck now then 🤣
Adding weight usually gives better traction. Especially adding weight over the rear wheels. Ever notice guys putting sand bag in the back of their trucks when it snows for better traction.
I can't get on X to display on my 2021 Tacoma. App works fine on my Android phone.
That's a small suv 😂
This tells me my 3rd gen Toyota might be going up in value
Those ridiculous predator steps can be removed, I’m referring to the hoop step part. Why not???
Take the steps off. Buy a rock slider .
I here they're having issues with the 4 cylinder turbo motors as well as the V 6 turbo on Tundra.
The spare tire not come the same for a 4x4 ?
Is the spare a motorcycle tire bahahahahahaha