Citroen e-C4 range test
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This is probably one of the most underrated EVs out there, just had a testdrive and its really nice to drive.
3:28 I like this feature that the warning disappears when you acknowledge it by saying "merci beaucoup"
Insane. Never seen such traffic before!
I just bought the Citroen E C4 Feel Pack . The car is a huge step to the electric mobility, here, in Romania.
Thank you Bhjorn for your work.
Pretty efficient car both on normal and high speed. Like it exterior wise but inside is really simple and basic. Great test as always Bjørn!
We have One the feel trim its a 330tkr sek car and We use it as second car, We measure 350kms range mixed driving Summer and 250kms highway speeds We Always do 100kmh because I found it to be most efficient there. Numbers above is fully packed. As you Said Björn Comfort is insane in this car We had a Kia Eniro that is much more noisier, the only downside with the eC4 is that it only comes with a schuko cable. Much recommended from an owner We use it as second car but can easily be used as only car. Cheers
"autosteer" works when you push two times the button of "assist", a steering wheel appears at the dashboard.
Comfy and relatively efficient. I like the combi. Keen on seeing if the 1.000 result confirms the APRP impression.
The car is equipped with a 50 kilowatt-hour battery, with which the ë-C4 achieves a 350-kilometer operating distance in WLTP measurement. However, at worst, we were closer to 150 kilometers.What made the situation particularly unpleasant was the way the car communicated about it. The estimated operating distance in the evening after charging was 306 kilometers when the battery charge was 94 percent. When you set off after a cold night, the reading has understandably dropped to 266 kilometers.At this point, a person relying on the system may step into a deep swamp. Exactly 57 kilometers later, the estimated operating distance was only 70 kilometers left! The problem was repeated during the test run in several different situations and with several drivers - this does not inspire confidence in the person moving to the electric car.Charging further highlights the problem - a cold battery when not charging very quickly. In theory, charging from zero to 80 percent is possible in as little as 30 minutes, but even in severe frosts, the charging power remained in the range of only about 11 kilowatts, even at its weakest fast chargers. The challenge applies to all electric cars, but some have been more successful here as well.
Would be nice to test one of the updated PSA cars with the bigger battery and 156ps motor!
Nice poor man head display
Great report thanks
I also tested the car and I Liked it. Very good comfort and very quiet. Important to say about the shocks that they are very Special and best in class ! I had 19 kWh/100km consumption at 120km/h in Switzerland. Not flat !
It would be very interesting to know how much the Michelin e•PRIMACY tires added to the better efficiency of the eC4 compared to its siblings?
Very good, better than expected, and looks great and unique
Hej Bjørn. Tak for en virkelig fin og informative test og video ❤😊
Thanks, waiting for Opel Corsa-e testing!
Nice looking car
Although it's not a world champion, those who've actually tested this car instead of going off figures on paper, have been impressed, especially with the Eco setting engaged. I've not driven one yet but next year, when we replace the C4 Gran Picasso, this will be on my list to look at. Thanks for the video.
I test drove recently one and can confirm it being very, very nice car. Fit and finish top notch, with good efficiency and super smooth, quiet ride. Range is enough for me, especially because of 100kW fast charging with almost flat charging curve. Waiting for info about next year incoming model, if there are any improvements. I have test driven at least dozen of EV's (including Teslas), and Citroen eC4 was first that I fell in love with. For every day driver, I don't need neck snapping acceleration as with Teslas have.
Great car, that I have driven 8000km so far in various countries and terrains. The range test is only a long distance test. In regional or city traffic this care regenerates energy through breaking and de accelerating and the economy and range is much higher. It is very silent indeed. Very comfy seating also at large distances. Extremely light to handle, turn, it is really effortless to drive.
200 km at high speeds, 300 at low. That's not bad at all, considering the price!
Just ordered it. Delivery at the end of November!
Can't wait!
Tack för en bra video!
Wish they would do a bigger "Picasso" type version of this, it's far more practical for space.
I have the Grand Picasso C4 and I'm absolutely spoiled with three full sized sliding and reclining second row seats, and a flat floor which you would imagine would make converting the platform to EV quite easy.
Im the exact same
Well, if you want something REALLY BIG, there's the Citroen ë-Spacetourer. It's collosal, but it's got a 75 kWh battery.
Also, the ë-Berlingo can be a 7-seater, but with its huge frontal area, and just 50 kWh, it's not a marathoner...
@@wojciechmuras553 I don't want a van! The C4 feels like a car even though I can fit a fridge in the back.
Jeezzz, got the same! Got the Grand C4 for like 4 years and looking for replacement. Mine is 1.6 diesel manual, and while I absolutely adore the electric smoothness of the ë-c4, there is no match at all when we talk space for both luggage and passengers. Maybe the ev-6 will do the magic?
Me too
Bjorn, I bought Peugeot e-2008 as you suggested it is better than e-208. And now this... Haha. But one thing zero percent in GoM (all PSA cars) are not absolute zeros. I am using Power cruise control app with obd reader to find how much of the battery is still left after zero in gom. But absolutely not necessary for everyone to use it below the gom zero.
This is the best place on the www to get accurate data for EVs. We're going on a trip to France and we can rent this one or an Peugeot e2008, it was difficult to chose before this video.
Thank you! ❤️
4:00, I would call it Lane Keep Assist, it just keeps the car in the lane if you unintentionally change lane.
Traffic not good let’s build a tunnel in Norway just for bjorn testing
The 1k kilometer tunnel? :) Records will be broken!
awesome
dude you are so funny
thanks
I would love to see e-Berlingo/e-Rifter/Combo-e Life tests when these are available at Norwegian dealerships in fall or new year. Great content as always Bjørn, keep up the good work.
e-Berlingo is gonna be an amazing car camping car.
@@0tispunkm3y3r maybe but the price is too high and the range is not good. Looks to be a good 20-5% down on range over the e-C4. Really needed a bigger battery.
The practical range is my biggest question I have with these, otherwise they checks a lot of boxes being a compact family car. I agree with both of you.
Hmmmmm the traffic looking good
That was some terrible traffic. 🤩
Comment about traffic. Hope this helps :)
very nice and clear description but I have more question to understand it, my first question is to load your e-car, the loadstation wants sometimes 0,10 cent per minute and load it until 80% so i make a excel diagram to calculate it but i heart that isn't variable loading, so how can i calculate the loading befor i load 7,5 kw, 11kw, 22kw, 50 kw and 150 kw
Not really a fan of french cars, but this one is really nice. In my opinion the best choice between e-2008 and DS 3 Crossback.
@Fritz Donnerschlag why not? They seem to be more reliable than german cars nowadays.
Smaller tires really seem to make a difference if you look at the results table. I do think PSA should introduce a new platform that enables larger batteries, faster charging and towing. I grew up with Citroën cars, but can't get myself to justify one of these (or the Peugeot/Opel/DS variants) because of this.
Traffic was in fact heavy 😁
Commenting on the traffic to help with the algoritm.
Wonder what % increase in consumption would be driving up a mountain, as we often do in Norway.
Well, the Citroen has narrower tires and 'special' EV Michelins in stead of standard primacy ones. That could explain part of the improved consumption compared to other Stellantis EVs.
The round shapes seem to help for drag also.
Rear has Prius/Ioniq shape which is good for Cd
@@bjornnyland yes, if the Cd is the best, that helps lots. Especially at high speed. That's why I said 'part of...'. as I remember having different size tires also influences the performance...like the tests you did with Model X and 3...but they were before the TBTP was official I think.
Maybe you could try to test this with a Stellantis car? Changing tires from 215 to 195 and see the difference?
Could re-visit some of the cars in the hotter temperatures? Ioniq 38kwh could do alot better.🤷♂️
Just commenting the traffic to help algorithm 🙂
Hello, can you compare with the Kona 39Kwh, please? witch is the best car, for you? thanks
Hi Bjørn,
Thank you for all your interesting and useful videos.
For the Citroën ë-C4 there was announced some updates from October production. Among them is an extended real world range, although the WLTP range is still 355 km.
Would it be possible for you to test the range on a car where the updates have been installed.
Thank you in advance
Best Regards
Per
Hi can you tell me if your Norwegian e-c4 energy graphs have both blue and green bars?? Could you check? Press electric button and chose statistics. I'm having a battle with Citroen GB, our cars just have blue bars, brochure shows both.. cheers.
►THANK YOU FOR THIS CLIP !!◄You are late 😲😲 We baught our EC4 last week. Many times at the day i'm looking in your channel in hope to see your Clip from thr EC4 ! After watching the clip, we feel doing right ! So THX Because i can get just one - here the rest of 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 (sry for my bad school english...)
Are you happy with it? Waiting for mine...
@@whatever-xw8cw I just signed the leasing contract. The delivery date is mid-January 2022. But the test drive over a whole afternoon, including a test charge, was very convincing. For us he outperformed the Skonda Enyiaq!
Actually I think it would be more fair to count the 4% at the botton. It is just the GoM that shows dash dash dash, but you can see SoC real time in the APP and even turtle mode does not kick in until SoC is 2%. And all these SoCs are "display SoC" (the APP and you see in the car's screen that there is some "juice" left as 1/3 of the red zone is iluminated), BMS SoC should be a litter higher (as there is another botton buffer below 0% display SoC, and this one it is fair to not take it into account)
So you expect people to use their phones and watch the SoC in the app while driving? Bad idea. Nope, I still stand on my claim. Drive and count range only until - - - is displayed.
@@bjornnyland Good point as almost always. Actually I am a good pixel counter on the small screen (I read SoC with no or 1% error) :P But, as ABRP Beta supports Android Auto, you can also have SoC on infotaiment screen using Tronity ABRP integration
How long before the reminder to take a break? Sponsored by KitKat?
Your car doesn't have, or you didn't engage the 'auto steer' lane centering, it puts green lane lines, and a green steering wheel on the HUD when active. You were seeing the separate lane departure warning and lane keep assist. The lane centering on this is actually really very good
Not specced with this car.
Heated windscreen is bad idea, I have it on my vw, it makes the vision through the windscreen look bad like looking through slightly dirty glass.
Corsa-e coming 👍
Man the traffic so bad..
I will buy this car
Any plans on reviewing the new fiat 500? Should be way better... Great job as always
In the livestream, he told that he will review Fiat 500E in a few days :)
You might of got better results if you had of put your temperature down a bit .
I was quite impressed with these results so I tried a stretch of 20 km flat motorway at 92 km/hr cruise control - warm battery - no noticable wind - 26 degrees C - with my car.
Result : 14,5 kW/100 km with the so called „thirsty“ Polestar 2 Dual Motor!!!
The consumption figures of Electric vehicles are so weird and unpredictable.
*14,5 kWh/100 km
Or even better: 145 Wh/km
To active autonomous driving, you have to active regulator, then push the "assist" button!
green lines will appear on the head screen.
Also your car may have a serious problem of battery. with mine, I do more than 300km with 14kw/h consumtion, and with 20% battery left... 😶🧐😕
But very good job for your review ! 😉
Trust me, I already tried. This car simply didn't have the feature.
@@bjornnyland You have to see two green vertical bars to have it activated and working. You can see at 0:59 that you didn activate the option, or you had a basic version that doesn´t have the option.
Thanks fo the review, well done.
@@bjornnyland If in the car menu you don't have possibility to active or disable autonomous drive, is that you doesn't have the option.
I am discovering your Chanel, and I'm really impressed about your car test video.
Thanks for your answer!
Great test as usual. Have you any info about why this difference in useable bat capacity 40.9 vs 45 kwh for same PSA eCMP platform? Software change since last yeat e208 test.?
Seems like bottom buffer has been increased quite a lot.
@@bjornnyland exactly. I have currently a laguna 2 diesel 1.9 dci quite old that i will change for an EV. Thus i tested the eC4 in may. That's also why i am one of your followers.
High traffic🤣🤣🤣 that's a normal day in Pretoria/Soshanguve😂
Just drove test this one and corsa-e after seeing your live test, I must admin that Corsa-e is even more efficient, maybe it was the tail wind or smth, dunno. Can't wait for you to test the other French sibling :D, then I'll make up my mind.
Test drove Corsa-e as well. So tiny, felt claustrophobic inside! Not for me.
in youre excel sheed you write, capacity 40,9. but i think its almost 45kwh netto (50kwh brutto).
Excel sheet has the actual energy you get out from the battery after losses. 45 kWh is nominal (aka best case in a lab).
i've seen other reviews on youtube where the ec4 was range tested with and without eco mode which seemed to be very powerful, can you tell us what mode did you use?
I always use eco mode unless it cuts HVAC. It can be seen at 1:08 and many other places.
Shit, that traffic!
"Just comment about the traffic guys". Ok.
The poor mans headup display😂😂😂
Thats wrong. Poor mans HUD is directly on the screen.....
On c zéro when no more km on display you still have 10% Seen with canion.
I am very determined to have an Ioniq to a level that I have asked the dealer to find one for me, but this car does however I male me in doubt whether it might be a better offer for the next family car
If you are looking at the new ioniq 38kwh, it's so slow charging.
@@seanbailey8545 I would rather have a 28 but I would also take a 38
Hello, I think, you can see the remaining percent of the charge on the app. Can you confirm that?
Yes. But you need to buy an obd adapter and bluetooth transmission device. And pay for Power cruise control yearly subscription. It works for all PSA cars.
Das traffic man
The car seems very nice, it's a real pity that it's limited to this ridiculous 50 kWh gross capacity. Peugeot, now Stellantis, should be able to offer at least 2 capavities, 50 and say 70 kWh
55kwh is enough when you have efficiency, top software and superchargers 😁
Bigger battery = more weight slower speed to 60, then you need a bigger motor to push you along. 50 to 60 kWh is probably sweet spot for most drivers.
How much is the range in winter .. Norwegian winter can it give at least 200 ?
If you preheat the cabin and drive at 90kmph, 200km is doable in normal mode, I think. Of course, it depends on how cold it really is, etc..
Easier in eco mode, but that takes the heating down to minimum and it's not pleasant for some people.
I want to see you drive an old diesel car just for giggles
czcams.com/video/5MxHfnD2ZsA/video.html
I want to know how many Kilometers do you drive in your entire life 😂🤯
Can the HUD show GPS ?
Yes, when you use navigation Mode the hud will show next step like ride forward or turn left or ride, etc.
They had to put a bigger battery in this thing.
Bjørn I wonder why this video „was“ brought to me when I haven’t watched it yet. Shouldn’t it be this video is brought to you? 🧐 Thank you
It *was* brought to you because someone was making it before you could watch it. Thank you for helping the CZcams algorithm.
@@bjornnyland Understood Thanks 🤓
124 miles isn't much but for £25k doesn't seem a bad deal. 🤔
mg4 can get double that for the same price though. I prefer this car, but for range the MG4 shits all over it.
Kudos to you blurrying his license plates! I surely would appreciate it
Home charging a ec-4 with onboard 11kw charger using podpoint 7.4kw charger...will the speed be 7.4kw as i heard it could be half that again at home as 11kw slows down charging speed on phase one connection? Also if using 11kw onboard charger with 22 kw public chargers, will charging speed be 11kw ? (UK)
Hi. The public 22kW chargers typically deliver ~10.5kW (as indicated by the charger), with ~9.5-9.8kW making it into the battery effectively (as reported by Car Scanner via OBD). I'm not sure how it behaves on high power one phase but, on the other hand, charging at home you don't really need more than 3.6kW. The battery is relatively small and 8h at 3.6kW means ~50% battery topped up. I wouldn't worry about it.
Driving an ë-C4 (same colour) now for 7 months with 10000 km now.
Average range in day-to-day practice, approx 225 km, now reduced by approx 10% due heater use.
Always drive in E-Mode with dynamic break on.
Dispite the limited range and software irritator, don't want to go back to an ICE car ..
Lots of EVs based on ice/mixed platforms seem to have better economy than pure EVs, apart from Tesla. That suggests a major failing by manufacturers.
Q: Not that it makes a huge difference (140 vs 137 @ 90), but if the car over-reports distance by 1.1%, doesn't that imply that the indicated consumption is underreporting?
The car underreports as shown in the video: 180kms shown in the display when actual distance is 182kms
@@angeldominguez4993 Thanks! I skipped through the video but couldn't seem to find the part where Bjorn shows the real vs odometer distance, so I was going on his statement @ 7:20 where he says "over-reports distance"...
@@spacemanbowkonami Just a typo when talking (or as Bjørn says "brain fart"). Here you have the explanation @ 2:47
From the news:
Tesla agrees to pay $1.5 million in class action battery-throttling lawsuit, vehicle owners to get $625 each
Speaking of smooth asphalt, anyone knows why German autobahns’ asphalt are so terrible considering the fact that the country is always in top five richest countries? Set aside low quality parkings and restaurants. I experienced driving between Hamburg and Berlin. Autopilot goes crazy as on the road there are mix of white and old yellow lines plus patched asphalt forming horizontal line similar to stop lines.
Just the age. They were built in the 1930s, as the first highway network ever. And as we all know, upkeep doesn't get you any votes, compared to big, new, flagship projects.
@@wojciechmuras553 I saw many ongoing roadworks to be honest but none was laying down new asphalt layer. Hope it gets better over time. The fun factor of free speed autobahn is affected by both asphalt quality and pretty windy areas.
I'm not an expert but I think most Autobahn surfaces still consists of concrete surface. Noisy, terrible in rain, but long-lasting and more energy-efficient then asphalt. When you cross the Autobahn into Holland in rain, it is honestly like it suddenly stopped raining exactly at the the border.... dutch asphalt just soaks up the rain.
No way to see % on battery? :/
It's there with the Feb 2023 update, when also the new multimedia system was introduced
Ayo bjorn comment on this comment
The car in perfect conditions can not go over 500 km? You have to wait for battery to cool down before charging? What are you saying is 1000 km journey is not possible to do in EV in winter time with snow in one day. That's crap. We can buy bicycles instead. European industry will colapse because suply chain will go in the toilet with this sort of technology of transport. Well done everybody.
Comparisons of test done in completely different weather conditions are not very relevant really.
I disagree. Weather changes and I can't always get each car in the exact same weather conditions. But at least I provide with the information about how it was. Normally I just get to borrow a press car for a given time. It would be cumbersome for me to for example *only* borrow press cars during summer and only when the weather is nice.
Yes it is...physics stays the same. As long as you know what impact the circumstances have on the results, you can extrapolate apples to apples for the circumstance you're looking for.
For sure there is a difference if you would like to compare the range given by cars testes with different conditions. However, if you do write the conditions down as Bjørn does, you can guesstimate how the obtained value would vary depending on the temperature or wet road or whatever.
Cheers!
This is not a scientific test in a lab, this is supposed to mirror everyday driving. And the road conditions are always given in the list, so you can rate the results accordingly.
@@bjornnyland Sure, but I’m not clear how you can conclude it’s more efficient than the e208, just on the basis of your tests. The e208 high speed test was conducted at 11°C!
I realise it would be difficult logistically to organise the cars, but if possible it would be good to see two or more cars driven in convoy on the same day. Perhaps you and Kris could do some tests like that together.
you laugh too much at your own jokes!