Some other differences I've noticed - ISTJs tend to be very aware of their bodies and it's very important to them to be healthy and stay in shape. They will be more likely to have hobbies that involve physical recreation, while INTJs are more detached from their bodies and are much more interested in theories and ideas. For example, an INTJ would be more likely to make a video about MBTI, while an ISTJ would rather be outside running or doing something physical. In fact, I'd say that's true for all INXX vs ISXX types. Also, ISTJs usually like to fit into society and excel within their niche. They would rather blend in than stand out. INTJs, on the other hand, are not as concerned with fitting in. They are more likely to be seen as outcasts or rebels in some way and blaze their own trail.
interesting. if i hate with passion business attire which im likely more istj or intj? probably intj because i tend to ignore existing conventions if i find them to be silly. right? for that matter i have plenty of sarcasm and cynicism, and parodies is my favorite comedy type
Almost surely INTJ! I HATE office wear, I want to either express my own style, or just wear any damn thing, coz it's the mind that counts, life is not a fashion show!
@Fleshfor Frankenstein I have the same problem - most of the time I get INTJ but sometimes I get ISTJ. The percentages for the N/S on the test are usually around 60/40%, but sometimes they are closer. I wonder whether some of it can be explained by nature vs. nurture. I was raised by an ISFJ mom and an ISTJ dad. Just a thought. :-)
Interesting that people also think that way, I have experienced the same thing, but have later observed that it depends on my environment and/or mood, when I am in an environment where I have to get something done which typically tends to be task-oriented I seem to be an ISTJ, also when I am angry or feel tired I seem to be ISTJ, but when I have intellectual discussions (mostly with friends) or am by myself (left to my own thoughts) I seem to be INTJ.
I always got INTJ as a result in the past. The past year I have been practicing alot of meditation to get out of my head and worrying about the future and also to live in the present more. I did mbti today again and got ISTJ. I still feel like INTJ describes me well but I consciously try to live my everyday life like an ISTJ it seems.
For example I like to improve instead of maintain, but I'm not creative and look for things that have worked in the past. But it doesn't have to be things that I have experienced first hand.
I’m an ISTJ and my boss is an INTJ. I think we work very well together. When I get too deep into the details, I got reminded on whether the end result is the desired one or not. While when he suggested to try new things, I could lay out the logistics needed to see if it disrupts too much or not. Been pretty satisfied working with him
Pick a different test with better assessment methodology or at least test on multiple sites (ideally official one) - the MBTI framework is great but there are so many shitty assessments / questionnaires that would give you incorrect results
Those types seems to mix like oil and water. One is old fashion and routine based, culture and norm focused, while the other is forward thinking and theoretical improvement seeking and a visionary who often is unorthodox and eccentric. I'm an INTJ and dad's an ISTJ/P and we don't agree and never will.
The elementary answer to this question is view the cognitive functions all eight of them and understand what they mean and pick the ones that fit to you individual do not depend on a test and if you absolutely don't trust your own judgment there are professionals for a certain fee will test you it will be more reliable than just some questionnaire off the internet.
Im an ISTJ. I have nothing against doing things differently. But you need to prove to me pre-implementation why the chances of success outweigh the chances of failure. And how the risks and benefits measure up. And the above isn't standalone. Also, a similar assessment needs to be done on the status quo procedure. And from there the status quo vs the new procedure compared and one picked out of logic. So I may jump on board a new idea that is risky and has chances of failure if it's proven to me that the status quo is even riskier and even more likely to result in failure relatively to the new idea. What I do not want to hear is visionary fluffy nonsense that simply feels nice but hasn't been measured for potential effectiveness. Something INTJs dont do. Its the touchy feely personalities that do that 🙄
Same. If people proposing visionary fluffy shit were willing to take responsibility in case of failure and design contingencies into their plan, I’d be more receptive. What’s annoying is when people do things that have bad consequences for themselves and others but just let it happen and leaving a mess that others didn’t sign up for.
a lot of our social movements and progressions started with a purpose that many described as ‘fluffy visionary nonsense.’ sometimes, there’s no way to measure definite chances of success or failure from outcome- but all reconstruction takes risk. you can’t exactly define the success of something abstract with tangible effectiveness. in comes the touchy feely personalities with dominant feeling functions. a lot of our SJWs are, you know.
Depending on the wording of the questions, I have seen it show both for me. ISTJ mostly. I think he misstated a few things with ISTJ. Not caring about the future? Not trying to improve it? We look at the past to see what failed ,as well as what worked. And how it works, so the same mistakes are not made going forward.
I am definitely INTJ. My focus on the future and what avenues I (and the world) could take to make it all so much more fantastic is my main thought process through the day. I do not want things to stay the same at all. I'm a strange girl to most who talk with me.
Being the INTJ that I am ....I'm going to be both efficient and creative and say simply. ... the biggest similarity is (IxTJ) we are excellent at completion of tasks .Our biggest difference is our motivation. ..ISTJ uses knowledge to shape intelligence while INTJ uses intelligence to shape knowledge.
I totally enjoyed your video. You were concise and to the point. I myself am an ISTJ and my daughter is an INTJ so this was really helpful and appreciated!
I'm an INTJ, but my military time in having to manage logistics and equipment before my medical team went out on a training exercise, etc., taught me to adopt many ISTJ ways of doing things. If left to my own devices, given as much scope of authority possible, I naturally gravitate toward INTJ. When I'm in a situation where my scope of authority is much lower and more stringent constraints are placed on me as far as time and resources, I can easily slip into ISTJ. I tend to test back and forth with INTJ still remaining dominant. I guess when I answer the questions it's difficult for me to differentiate between "what I prefer to do and naturally want to do" vs "what I would realistically choose to do because I have to."
I actually understood and recognized the differences and the distinctions, which is especially interesting having tested as both over time. Thanks for being understandable!!!
This really helped me personally understand the contrast between ISTJ and INTJ. Tested and was typed as an Type 1 9w on the Enneagram (INTJ-a) and read once that were comparative to a ISTJ/INTJ hybrid. Found that interesting and ever since really havent seen how that could be with the content reviewed until your video. Thank you for sharing.
I am happy to find another INTJ who can explain the ISTJ from an INTJ perspective. I am writing a novel where one of the characters is an ISTJ and I am flushing out some of her quirks. I wrote a lot about her (along with many of the other characters surrounding her) before I got down to properly developing her personality to the correct level. She has demonstrated a lot of ISTJ characteristics already, so I have decided to go with that. But I am looking for depth, and this video has been helpful on my path to getting there. (Her husband is an ENTJ--my leading protagonist--and she has a sister who is an INTJ. Her parents are INTJ and ESTP, and I have gone to great depth on all of them already, but now it is the ISTJ's turn. After that I still have an ESFP, and an ESFJ to close out all the important characters.) Anyway, thank you for your help in my effort to attain my ISTJ quest. It is so much easier working with characters I fully understand. When I am writing they tend to come to life, and do what they damn well please, but the more I know the better that all works out for me. :-)
I'm an ISTJ married to an INTJ. Most of the time we get on really well. This video really helped me understand why we communicate and see things so differently at times, and why certain things we do/don't do drives the other crazy.
This video explains things very well. Great comparison between these two types. I'm impressed with how quickly, yet clearly, you can explain these things. Personality type terminology can sometimes be confusing, but you present so that I can understand it. Maybe it's because you are an INTJ and I might be, so maybe we think about things in a similar way.
This makes complete sense why me (ENTJ bordering INTJ) n hubby(ISTJ) get along. He never thinks about the future and I'm always thinking bout future 🤔 interesting.
I am INTJ ...this is spot on ...most people like to connect "letter combinations " in order to pair up the acronyms for better understanding . However we are less like ISTJ and more like a "backwards " ISTP if anything . Yes when it comes to demeanor and "getting things done " we are the same but that's where the similarities stop . Our process is more like an adverse ISTP ...why ? ISTPs explore externally in order to have "higher" understanding of self . ISTP's call it "being in the zone " they ultimately chase "perfection " INTERNALLY by mastering their craft ....think Michael Jordan and Phil Jackson ...MJ being an ISTP continues to strive eventhough he was the best basketball player and has nothing to prove . Phil Jackson his coach did the same but INTERNALLY ...we as INTJ seek to prove that our "visions" or our "great grand plan" or theory is universal . Both us and the ISTP will also "break rules " if we feel it gets in the way of our principles or our goal. Phil Jackson was determined to prove that the "triangle offense " wins basketball games even if there was no precedent or consistency in the data . So In summation yes ISTJ are like INTJ at first glance but our process is more like ISTP in reverse .
I'm an INTJ, but my military time in having to manage logistics and equipment before my medical team went out on a training exercise, etc., taught me to adopt many ISTJ ways of doing things. If left to my own devices, given as much scope of authority possible, I naturally gravitate toward INTJ. When I'm in a situation where my scope of authority is much lower and more stringent constraints are placed on me as far as time and resources, I can easily slip into ISTJ. I tend to test back and forth with INTJ still remaining dominant. I guess when I answer the questions it's difficult for me to differentiate between "what I prefer to do and naturally want to do" vs "what I would realistically choose to do because I have to."
I appreciate the effort in making this video, however I don't think you've done the ISTJ justice. Si is an introverted, therefore subjective function as opposed to a 'task slave' function like a lot of people seem to interpret. Si is concerned with what is the most comfortable, least exhausting, most certain way of getting things done for the indivual. Si doms know what works for them(if they are infact repeating an action that they've taken before) as opposed to just accepting everything people tell them is working...Let's please not forget that Si works with Fi in ISTJs (just like Ni works with Fi in INTJs) to create individuals with unique,ever evolving perspectives(as nothing is static anyway). Also ISTJs have Ne in their cognitive stack. Low or high, that proposes an amount of explorative ideas. We might not aways engage in those ideas like Ne doms but we're frequently considering them. We're ready to act on a different idea should the existing framework fail to get us to our desired results. So once again, sensory types aren't necessarily less introspective or less mentally resourceful...also, being focused on improvement has less to do with the cognitive stack(if anything) and more with the how the indivual chooses to live their life. It possibly has to do with how self assured,intelligent, educated, idealistic,ambitious they are. As we all know by now(hopefully) Fi doms are not the only people in the world who are allowed to have ideals :) Goals are necessary to be healthy and an Si doms number one priority is to always be healthy. So maybe those are some points to reflect on for non-Si doms...
Thank you for doing this video. I keep getting diagnosed as an istj or an intj. This helps me figure out the difference in a way that other videos have not been able to. Thank you very much.
I’ve tested as both. I am an ISTJ, but have a knack for planning. And I love designing functional architecture and furniture. I love designing things for a purpose. But it’s creative, lol. I definitely think on the future daily. The far future. But not with fear. I find these very interesting. I would also say I am very in tune to emotions, but if I have a vested interest in some matter then it can conflict with what I’m sensing there. And I respect emotions, I just believe that facts, truth should be the determining factor as much as hormones will allow. You brought up many points I hadn’t come across before, and I rather enjoyed it. I’ll have to see if you have more. My husband is an INFP I believe, so I’d love to learn more on that (has anyone seen the secret life of Walter Mitty?- lol). Thanks again.
I was an INTJ manager. I remember telling an employee " look at where you want to go or what you want to do and find your best way to get there". I would give them the company approved s.o.p. if they were most comfortable that way but I would also let them do things their way if they could one: produce the desired results and two: their way wasn't expressly forbidden by upper management. Of course if their way didn't work out then they got less slack in the leash.
Very accurate and well said. For years, I wrongly thought I was an INTJ (Fi Child God Complex + Te Parent credibility issues at the time.) Turns out that I was an ISTJ all along. I had to be told so repeatedly, by an INFJ. That was an eye opener. If it ain't broken, don't fix it = ISTJ motif. =D
Thank you so much for this video! I liked how it was to the point, well put together and how you explained everything and added some examples. I am now fairly sure I'm an ISTJ and not an INTJ. Finally! This is like the 20th video/text guide I had to see/read to be sure. My results tend to differ, sometimes I get an ISTJ, sometimes INTJ, and the ratio is around the middle (60 : 40, usually). I think what helped me the most was you saying that 1.) INTJs tend to be future oriented, whereas ISTJs past and present oriented, that 2.) INTJs look at a problem and think of tons of ways of how to solve it (creative problem-solvers), whereas ISTJs just do what has worked previously for them (practical problem-solvers), and that 3.) INTJs like to improve, whereas ISTJs like to mantain. I think I'd like to be an INTJ, I wish I was able to think the way they do, to see all of the possibilities AND to know how to achieve them, but the reality is, unfortunately for me, that I'm actually an ISTJ (although I very much disagree with doing things by the book - I like to find what works the best for me and do it that way, not necessarily the way it should be done).
@@NevertahnProduction To me it makes sense, I feel like ISTJs tend to be viewed as these rigorous, ruthless, always by the book bores, so it makes sense ISTJs are scared to say what type they are.
I to am stuck in the middle of the two types. Basically I am a I dash, dash TJ. About 60 percent INTJ and 40 percent ISTJ. I seem to have a problem with trying to rationalise past, present and future events. I have a longing for memories of the past, structure, responsibility and order. But I don’t always stick to the here and now and often engage in flights of fancy and speculation of future events and what ifs, which conflict with my normally staid approach. I am in my senior years, with a lot of life experiences ( got the badge, cap and t shirt in too many life events ) and whilst I value predictability, rules and order, I can play fast and loose with the same rules and often have a disdain for the same rules and some of the structures of authority. A favourite saying of my father, which I can still hear ringing in my ears - Was ‘Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools’ This has got me into no end of trouble through my life, but it’s still in the back of my mind. I won’t go into politics as that is a can of worms to be opened and digested later. That’s ventilated a bit - Now back in my cage for a little bit of self isolation as currently I am unsupervised ...
And I still can’t tell if I am INTJ or ISTJ lol. Half of the tests I’ve done say I am one, half say I’m the other. Also, I am really not sure if I am more about present or the future.
Same, I have been typed as an INTJ for 3 years but after learning about the functions of the two types I really got confused. I look back to the past because I like keeping memories. But I still look up for the future and plan for years ahead because I never want to fail and I want to be satisfied with myself and what i did in my life time.
Had to work with an ISTJ the other day for several hours. I was talking about my ideas to the future and she kept making fun of my idealism. It felt very passive aggressive. I wanted to strangle her. I have a friend though who is an INTJ though. He's totally has that "Help me or get out of the way" attitude. He's always looking for flaws in the companies that hire him. I tell him not to worry about worst case scenarios before they happen.
Telling an INTJ not to think about all the possible negative outcomes to a decision they have to make is like telling an INFP not to come up with convoluted emotional backstories for the household appliances they've anthropomorphized.
Satine S asks a very good question. I have taken these tests so many times. Many times my results were INTJ. However, I have also taken these tests where the result was ISTJ. As a ratio, INTJ results were more common but, ISTJ was not a one-off result. My explanation for this is, the personality traits of an individual are not so cut and dried as the people who attempt to explain these things portray them to be. There is situational and emotional overlap whereby a primary trait can be subordinated to a secondary trait given the state of mind of the person at the time the test is administered based on what is present in the person's life at the time the test is administered. So, my answer to Datine, S is, yes. A person can be both and which one you are at a given point in time is controlled by specific life circumstances at a moment in time you are experiencing.
A person cannot be both INTJ and ISTJ. A subjective test made by subjective programmers being taken by subjective people whose answers are going to be treated and corrected according to subjective standards made by other subjective people is very likely going to give you subjective results. In the end, people can very rarely be trusted when it comes to being objective about themselves when answering questions. According to a certain situation or mood, someone might answer a specific question very differently because of various factors, but that doesn't change their type because their type is their default mode. An intuitive type that tried to do a sensory activity on a particular day is not going to turn into a sensor; or me feeling like spending time with a friend today does not make me an extravert. And yet, according to my desires and mood of the day, I can unconsciously answer a question very differently. Ni and Si are very different functions that are not interchangeable; a person might try to develop their other functions a bit more but they are not going to replace the hero function. Tests cannot be trusted when it comes to finding someone's type because of this constant subjectivity. If you want to know for sure if you're Si or Ni dom, you have to study the cognitive functions more profoundly. There is also the theory about the 4 sides of the mind, it is a bit more complex and much longer to explain, but INTJ and ISTJ are never found together. I know the message is 6 months old but I still wanted to clear things up.
I'm an intj but my mom is a istj so it's really interesting to see the difference. We are both very good planners but she's more regarding things in the present or near future while l do think l have a planning going on in a subconscious level for my entire life even l'm not clearly aware of haha.
Pls do tell more about the differences between planning. It's extremely interesting that you have dis going on in your family. Also have a nice day lady
I am an intj but i have a lot of istj as a secondary personality, i feel like I im more creative and visionay but sometimes i try to be more practical and stable
This clear my doubt. I eventually fall to INTJ because I don't mind new thing, think in future more and how to fix thing in any kind of way as long as it fix 😂
My sister is an ISTJ and I’m an INTJ. She’s always a supervisor but never a boss. She doesn’t like to be a top leader. I just am what I am so get out of my way. Simple enough
I like to think of myself as an istj. Mostly I depend on cold hard logic to make decisions. I usually test as an intj. I do think about and design mechanical things in my mind, but I don't build them. The one thing that really tells though is I have the random solutions that pop into my head from out of nowhere - it is almost like another entity is whispering in my ear sometimes. And these ideas can be totally out of the box, not from my memory, or anything that I have read or been taught. It can be solutions to problems. It can be insight as to how situations will play out. I usually go with the flow and don't make many long term plans. Are the eureka moments definitive? They happen fairly often.
Thanks for this vid. I did the MBTI and i came off around the 50% mark on the intuitive sensing. Have done the test a few times getting both sides of the coin. This helped me isolate which one i was.
I've always tested INTJ but have been curious whether I could be an ISTJ instead. Big nope lol. I'm definitely future oriented. I always tell my boss "look at all this stuff we could do!" with providing examples, whether improving or a totally new vision for solving a problem. It's always disheartening when I have this great new idea but is shot down...it's like my vision of what could be is thrown in the fire.
Thx for a good video. Problem is that i fit in both intj and istj. IxTJ is always more then 95% and close to The middel with the xNxx. I think that i make my decision like a xSxx when im stressed and its crowded or need to do quick decisions, and like an xNxx when im calm and happy. Guesing emotions is a big part of this.
Intj with entj mom and istj dad I think though nurture some of my dad's habits have influenced the way I do things as I want to improve constantly. I take what works and drop what doesn't. It was kinda funny thinking about the time he got his clean on and just started to do thing and I would start there for about 60 seconds planning out what I was gonna do to be most efficient and he didn't understand so I told him. I think he just sighed and walked away to do something. It's funny in hindsight but unnerving in real time
Now I'm lost. I feel like I must be a cross between the two - Typically, for the traits presented on one personality that I don't relate to, I usually relate to the other personality trait listed in that same position. What's super interesting is that I fall in line almost completely when it comes to INTJ hobbies. What in the world? Now I don't know who I am or how to help myself.
I get a little aggravated listening to comparisons between these two because I can identify with significant markers in both of them. It makes me wonder if the line between them is defined correctly.
I went down to comment i have been intj and istj and found multiple people are in the same situation. Are they just that similar even though the difference is said to be wide? I really dont know enough about this to draw any conclusions, please help.
First time I took the test I got INTP. A few months later, I got INFP. Three years later it was ISTJ. When I read the description, I felt like something was wrong or I just wanted to take the test once more to make sure. So I took the test a day later, and got INTJ. I read the description and, oh man, it was extremely accurate. I almost started crying. But when I began exploring MBTI, I started doubting myself really badly. Especially when I discovered that INTJ is one of the rarest and intelligent types. Then I came to know about the cognitive functions. After that, I doubted myself even harder: “Am I just being one of those people who just want to feel special by claiming they’re INTJ, INFJ or whatever? Who am I? I hate myself.” Additionally, I’m a girl, so the chance of me being an INTJ is extremely low. Likewise, when I came to know that intuitives were only 30% of the population, I was almost sure I was a self-proclaimed INTJ. I couldn’t stop on that point since I haven’t explored all the typology nuances. I started narrowing down the possibilities of my MBTI by learning how they work. I was in despair. I didn’t know anymore who I am: my vision of myself became extremely blurry. This is happening to me since I turned 12: every time I’m sure of something I find the ways to doubt it without even knowing how. Am I an INTJ with low self esteem, imposters syndrome or something? Or is it correct to doubt myself because it may be true? I always thought I knew myself well. But I have no idea anymore. Every time I see myself one way, I will find another possibility of my true self. It’s like “The more you know, the better you understand that you don’t know anything.”
Read your lengthy diatribe with interest. I am a male in my mid seventies and on looking back to about 12 years of age I became aware of looking at things differently, which continued for most of my adult life. Many years ago a friend put myself and a few others through a Personality Profile to discover talents, preferences etc. Skip forward a few years and after having a conversation with same person, he made me aware that he had used MBTI as a profile tool and in the intervening years had come to the conclusion that i was an ISTJ. Upon researching this personality in depth I kept getting an INTJ Profile as well, with Ambivert Characteristics. The bits that confuse me are the fact that I am both future and past oriented also whilst being a stickler for rules and knowledge of the rules, i often look for creative ways to break them. I also can have issues with Authority Figures and have locked horns with many people who represent authority. Whilst being in some low level managerial positions, I always felt more comfortable advising my more senior colleagues. As an aside, I recall a quote from my father ‘Rules are for the Guidance of Wise Men and the Blind Obedience of Fools’ - This has caused more than its fair share of drama in my life. All for now, good talking to you. PS ‘Embrace who you are and like me try and ‘Value Add’ the Package you come in’
@@haydnroberts8614 thank you. I didn't expect anyone to reply. I think I'm on my way to accept who I am. I suspect I was stuck in a NiFi loop or another loop at the time so I couldn't define my identity. I also came to know about the Enneagram test so I have more opportunities to type myself accurately.
Good talking with you. Like yourself I am still in the stage of self discovery and am still actively trying to fathom myself out. A very good site that treats MBTI with a degree of humour and tongue in cheek is the Frank James Site. Keep on Keeping On …
@@haydnroberts8614 oh, that is interesting. Self-discovery is such a long process. I also will see the website. I know this blogger but never knew he had a site.
@@onion-headed Hi - Hope you don’t mind me contacting you. Did you find the Frank James site interesting, i found his humour refreshing and a little bit sarcastic, thus reinforcing my INTJ outlook. Since my first awareness of Myers Brigs and my identification with INTJ, i occasionally check out the occasional MBTI sites but I am careful to keep it measured as i believe it can become a self fulfilling prophecy. This can lead to treating it as a Horoscope and blinkering our perception. The little bit of research I do confirms a lot for me and gives me food for thought and growth. If you ever have any questions please contact me. Or if you want to remain private, i respect that. Bye for now, from South Australia …
I really could not understand the difference between the two, and also did not agree with the "ISTJs don't think of the future" statement, until it all clicked at 7:55. Yup, I'm definitely an ISTJ, not INTJ. Facts >>>>>> ideas. :D
I'm a future thinker but I also dwell on the past when it involves a breakup in a relationship so depending on my mood I can be either one but I type myself INTJ because it's a more elitist type.
NotJo I took the test and I was a 60/40 split between Intuitive and Sensing. I lean towards N but I clearly have some S qualities. No one will be a pure N or S.
I have studied this for a long time and I seem to consistently fall in between both ISTJ & INTJ. For those that fall in between personality types, it would be nice to have more than just the 16 personality types.
Would really reccommend the big 5 personality test 👍 It's a fluid scale across 5 core traits rather than rigid types, and it's generally regarded as more valid. I've found it to be much more insightful than Meyers Briggs
do you notice subtle changes in detail such as if a piece of furniture has been moved very slightly, if a building has been repainted in a slightly different colour, or the slight change in time in a timetable for a train. this would indicate an Si dominant. (ISTJ or ISFJ) or are you mostly oblivious to the small details in your environment and struggle to focus 100% on what is around you and would much rather be day dreaming a scenario about something you want to do in the future (usually isn't in a specific timeline or any at all) and daydreaming how that scenario would play out and what would happen next. This would indicate Ni dominant (INTJ or INFJ) one way to help figure out is compare yourself to people and try and find the differences.
okay but um I see myself in those two things, depends on my mood? I don't like talking about the future because it's scary but I don't really care about the present and like to search things about the future cuz I think that's all that matters. so conclusion: I care so much about the future that I don't really like thinking about it, but it's nice to imagine what I want to be in the future, thinking about the present just stresses me out. and oh I am so open to any ideas, I don't like following the books if I hear and can try better ideas, but I sometimes stick with it because I don't really know much about it, but if I do, I'll explore what I can reach.. I'm very lazy and don't expect me to be a manager because I forget things a lot, cuz I can't bring myself to worry about them, but if I worry about something I'd really try being good and I'd get it good cuz that's just the way I am. so?
I read that istj is better given the name of scientist while intj is more of a prophet. Using their mind as “revelation” to what they should bring into reality
Some other differences I've noticed - ISTJs tend to be very aware of their bodies and it's very important to them to be healthy and stay in shape. They will be more likely to have hobbies that involve physical recreation, while INTJs are more detached from their bodies and are much more interested in theories and ideas. For example, an INTJ would be more likely to make a video about MBTI, while an ISTJ would rather be outside running or doing something physical. In fact, I'd say that's true for all INXX vs ISXX types.
Also, ISTJs usually like to fit into society and excel within their niche. They would rather blend in than stand out. INTJs, on the other hand, are not as concerned with fitting in. They are more likely to be seen as outcasts or rebels in some way and blaze their own trail.
interesting.
if i hate with passion business attire which im likely more istj or intj?
probably intj because i tend to ignore existing conventions if i find them to be silly. right? for that matter i have plenty of sarcasm and cynicism, and parodies is my favorite comedy type
Almost surely INTJ! I HATE office wear, I want to either express my own style, or just wear any damn thing, coz it's the mind that counts, life is not a fashion show!
LL D IT SEEMS I'M A BIT OF BOTH, FUCK TRADITION IF IT GETS IN THE WAY, BUT WILL ENFORCE THE RULES THAT MAKE SENSE.
Also I don't truly care for fitting in.
lmao I love how u lowkey throwing shade towards AsuraMBTI xD
It seems I'm a cross between an INTJ and an ISTJ.
@Fleshfor Frankenstein I have the same problem - most of the time I get INTJ but sometimes I get ISTJ. The percentages for the N/S on the test are usually around 60/40%, but sometimes they are closer. I wonder whether some of it can be explained by nature vs. nurture. I was raised by an ISFJ mom and an ISTJ dad. Just a thought. :-)
@@rtaugs i have same problem,first test i was an ISTJ but after 1 year test i'm an INTJ
Interesting that people also think that way, I have experienced the same thing, but have later observed that it depends on my environment and/or mood, when I am in an environment where I have to get something done which typically tends to be task-oriented I seem to be an ISTJ, also when I am angry or feel tired I seem to be ISTJ, but when I have intellectual discussions (mostly with friends) or am by myself (left to my own thoughts) I seem to be INTJ.
I always got INTJ as a result in the past. The past year I have been practicing alot of meditation to get out of my head and worrying about the future and also to live in the present more. I did mbti today again and got ISTJ. I still feel like INTJ describes me well but I consciously try to live my everyday life like an ISTJ it seems.
For example I like to improve instead of maintain, but I'm not creative and look for things that have worked in the past. But it doesn't have to be things that I have experienced first hand.
I'm not insensitive just get out of my way😂🤷♀️🤷♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Classic intj lol
THIS*
And if you don't get out of my way, you'll be exterminated.
I’m an ISTJ and my boss is an INTJ. I think we work very well together. When I get too deep into the details, I got reminded on whether the end result is the desired one or not. While when he suggested to try new things, I could lay out the logistics needed to see if it disrupts too much or not. Been pretty satisfied working with him
Whether or not I get ISTJ and INTJ depends on the one question that I am most unsure about.
Simon56 same haha
Pick a different test with better assessment methodology or at least test on multiple sites (ideally official one) - the MBTI framework is great but there are so many shitty assessments / questionnaires that would give you incorrect results
Those types seems to mix like oil and water. One is old fashion and routine based, culture and norm focused, while the other is forward thinking and theoretical improvement seeking and a visionary who often is unorthodox and eccentric. I'm an INTJ and dad's an ISTJ/P and we don't agree and never will.
The elementary answer to this question is view the cognitive functions all eight of them and understand what they mean and pick the ones that fit to you individual do not depend on a test and if you absolutely don't trust your own judgment there are professionals for a certain fee will test you it will be more reliable than just some questionnaire off the internet.
Me too. I test both ways.
Im an ISTJ. I have nothing against doing things differently. But you need to prove to me pre-implementation why the chances of success outweigh the chances of failure. And how the risks and benefits measure up.
And the above isn't standalone. Also, a similar assessment needs to be done on the status quo procedure. And from there the status quo vs the new procedure compared and one picked out of logic.
So I may jump on board a new idea that is risky and has chances of failure if it's proven to me that the status quo is even riskier and even more likely to result in failure relatively to the new idea.
What I do not want to hear is visionary fluffy nonsense that simply feels nice but hasn't been measured for potential effectiveness. Something INTJs dont do. Its the touchy feely personalities that do that 🙄
yes
Same. If people proposing visionary fluffy shit were willing to take responsibility in case of failure and design contingencies into their plan, I’d be more receptive. What’s annoying is when people do things that have bad consequences for themselves and others but just let it happen and leaving a mess that others didn’t sign up for.
a lot of our social movements and progressions started with a purpose that many described as ‘fluffy visionary nonsense.’ sometimes, there’s no way to measure definite chances of success or failure from outcome- but all reconstruction takes risk. you can’t exactly define the success of something abstract with tangible effectiveness. in comes the touchy feely personalities with dominant feeling functions. a lot of our SJWs are, you know.
so basically,
the bridge between istj and intj is kaizen(japanese for,
"keeping whats working, but also keep improving it."
Oh new info, thx
Pls explain
Depending on the wording of the questions, I have seen it show both for me. ISTJ mostly. I think he misstated a few things with ISTJ. Not caring about the future? Not trying to improve it? We look at the past to see what failed ,as well as what worked. And how it works, so the same mistakes are not made going forward.
I am definitely INTJ. My focus on the future and what avenues I (and the world) could take to make it all so much more fantastic is my main thought process through the day. I do not want things to stay the same at all. I'm a strange girl to most who talk with me.
I'm an INTJ and my Father is an ISTJ, so this is very useful, thanks.
same exact situation here, im intj with an istj father an infp mother
Greg Boge Same
Same, also statistically one of us 4 has mistyped himself and is actually an istj.
@joey yamaguchi woah I also thought the same. LMAO
Same here! Entj mom tho
Being the INTJ that I am ....I'm going to be both efficient and creative and say simply. ... the biggest similarity is (IxTJ) we are excellent at completion of tasks .Our biggest difference is our motivation. ..ISTJ uses knowledge to shape intelligence while INTJ uses intelligence to shape knowledge.
Very good
Is one better than the other?
@@NevertahnProduction practically INTJ may be better than ISTJ
This is the best video I've come across articulating the difference between ISTJs and INTJs. Kudos!
I totally enjoyed your video. You were concise and to the point. I myself am an ISTJ and my daughter is an INTJ so this was really helpful and appreciated!
I'm an INTJ. However I am often doing both what ISTJ and INTJs do. Sometimes I have conflicted thoughts with my practical and creative mind.
I'm an INTJ, but my military time in having to manage logistics and equipment before my medical team went out on a training exercise, etc., taught me to adopt many ISTJ ways of doing things. If left to my own devices, given as much scope of authority possible, I naturally gravitate toward INTJ. When I'm in a situation where my scope of authority is much lower and more stringent constraints are placed on me as far as time and resources, I can easily slip into ISTJ. I tend to test back and forth with INTJ still remaining dominant. I guess when I answer the questions it's difficult for me to differentiate between "what I prefer to do and naturally want to do" vs "what I would realistically choose to do because I have to."
I actually understood and recognized the differences and the distinctions, which is especially interesting having tested as both over time. Thanks for being understandable!!!
This really helped me personally understand the contrast between ISTJ and INTJ. Tested and was typed as an Type 1 9w on the Enneagram (INTJ-a) and read once that were comparative to a ISTJ/INTJ hybrid. Found that interesting and ever since really havent seen how that could be with the content reviewed until your video. Thank you for sharing.
Thee Parris Hill Also the same.
Thee Parris Hill me as well.
My INTJ tested ISTJ once...and I nearly cried 😆 (INFP)
I am happy to find another INTJ who can explain the ISTJ from an INTJ perspective. I am writing a novel where one of the characters is an ISTJ and I am flushing out some of her quirks. I wrote a lot about her (along with many of the other characters surrounding her) before I got down to properly developing her personality to the correct level. She has demonstrated a lot of ISTJ characteristics already, so I have decided to go with that. But I am looking for depth, and this video has been helpful on my path to getting there. (Her husband is an ENTJ--my leading protagonist--and she has a sister who is an INTJ. Her parents are INTJ and ESTP, and I have gone to great depth on all of them already, but now it is the ISTJ's turn. After that I still have an ESFP, and an ESFJ to close out all the important characters.) Anyway, thank you for your help in my effort to attain my ISTJ quest. It is so much easier working with characters I fully understand. When I am writing they tend to come to life, and do what they damn well please, but the more I know the better that all works out for me. :-)
Thank you for making this video! I highly appreciate it. It clears up a lot of things...regards from xnfp
I'm firmly an ISTJ but i do try and take a leaf out of the INTJ's book and try to think and plan for the future.
I think that's a great approach to have. ISTJs can be absolutely great planners in my opinion.
Uh oh, Pepe Bane is hatching schemes for the future 😂.
I find it pretty easy to tell the difference between the two.
Got a good memory? ISTJ.
Got the next 30 years of your life planned out? INTJ
😂
30 Years? I know my life purpose and I'm 24 lol
But I relate to both...
I dont have plan but i have goals and know how to achive them
I was mistyped as ISTJ, but INTJ is more up my alley. I've been strategizing how to conquer earth since I was small.
@@TheDezmona 😎
I'm an ISTJ married to an INTJ. Most of the time we get on really well. This video really helped me understand why we communicate and see things so differently at times, and why certain things we do/don't do drives the other crazy.
This video explains things very well. Great comparison between these two types. I'm impressed with how quickly, yet clearly, you can explain these things.
Personality type terminology can sometimes be confusing, but you present so that I can understand it. Maybe it's because you are an INTJ and I might be, so maybe we think about things in a similar way.
This makes complete sense why me (ENTJ bordering INTJ) n hubby(ISTJ) get along. He never thinks about the future and I'm always thinking bout future 🤔 interesting.
This video has aged pretty well, and is at least one of the top 3 comparing to the two types on YT.
Great videos thanks for making them, keep it up.
ISTJ: that was quite accurate, the difference being one practical and the other creative. My ex is an INTJ and I noticed that between us. Regards.
Perfect video!
-INTJ
This really helps. Thank you!
What a wonderful explanation. Thank you.
After continuous on the dot smashing vids , You have earned yourself a sub from me. Well done.
Also another INTJ
Appreciate the kind words, thanks for watching/subbing!
I’m an INTJ married to an ISTJ, and this has given me a lot of insight into what makes my spouse tick. Thanks!
Less drama at life, but begun at work or planning
Very informative, straight to the point. Thank you for not wasting my time lol.
My sister is an ISTJ. Man we had our bitch fits growing up.
It appears I'm a bit of both, don't care for convention, free thinking. Don't care for status or money either.
Hailey G I would be intrested knowing about her, I'm INTP dealing with ISTJ almost daily but the situation doesn't allow me to get involved in that
I am INTJ ...this is spot on ...most people like to connect "letter combinations " in order to pair up the acronyms for better understanding . However we are less like ISTJ and more like a "backwards " ISTP if anything . Yes when it comes to demeanor and "getting things done " we are the same but that's where the similarities stop . Our process is more like an adverse ISTP ...why ? ISTPs explore externally in order to have "higher" understanding of self . ISTP's call it "being in the zone " they ultimately chase "perfection " INTERNALLY by mastering their craft ....think Michael Jordan and Phil Jackson ...MJ being an ISTP continues to strive eventhough he was the best basketball player and has nothing to prove . Phil Jackson his coach did the same but INTERNALLY ...we as INTJ seek to prove that our "visions" or our "great grand plan" or theory is universal . Both us and the ISTP will also "break rules " if we feel it gets in the way of our principles or our goal. Phil Jackson was determined to prove that the "triangle offense " wins basketball games even if there was no precedent or consistency in the data . So In summation yes ISTJ are like INTJ at first glance but our process is more like ISTP in reverse .
I'm an INTJ, but my military time in having to manage logistics and equipment before my medical team went out on a training exercise, etc., taught me to adopt many ISTJ ways of doing things. If left to my own devices, given as much scope of authority possible, I naturally gravitate toward INTJ. When I'm in a situation where my scope of authority is much lower and more stringent constraints are placed on me as far as time and resources, I can easily slip into ISTJ. I tend to test back and forth with INTJ still remaining dominant. I guess when I answer the questions it's difficult for me to differentiate between "what I prefer to do and naturally want to do" vs "what I would realistically choose to do because I have to."
Well done! The best video I have seen on this topic, your explanations are so thorough!
I'm an ISTJ and this is accurate! Thanks
I appreciate the effort in making this video, however I don't think you've done the ISTJ justice. Si is an introverted, therefore subjective function as opposed to a 'task slave' function like a lot of people seem to interpret. Si is concerned with what is the most comfortable, least exhausting, most certain way of getting things done for the indivual. Si doms know what works for them(if they are infact repeating an action that they've taken before) as opposed to just accepting everything people tell them is working...Let's please not forget that Si works with Fi in ISTJs (just like Ni works with Fi in INTJs) to create individuals with unique,ever evolving perspectives(as nothing is static anyway). Also ISTJs have Ne in their cognitive stack. Low or high, that proposes an amount of explorative ideas. We might not aways engage in those ideas like Ne doms but we're frequently considering them. We're ready to act on a different idea should the existing framework fail to get us to our desired results. So once again, sensory types aren't necessarily less introspective or less mentally resourceful...also, being focused on improvement has less to do with the cognitive stack(if anything) and more with the how the indivual chooses to live their life. It possibly has to do with how self assured,intelligent, educated, idealistic,ambitious they are. As we all know by now(hopefully) Fi doms are not the only people in the world who are allowed to have ideals :) Goals are necessary to be healthy and an Si doms number one priority is to always be healthy. So maybe those are some points to reflect on for non-Si doms...
I've always tested as INTJ, but I fit much more as ISTJ
Thanks for this video. It helps a LOT.
I'm so glad you found it helpful, thanks for watching!
Really good, thank you.
i am borderline Intj and Istj a year ago I did the test and I was 54% intj. This year I am a Istj
Same here :D
I dont trust a 5 minute test but s/n was borderline, i know 90% thinking and 90% judging is true
Same
Samee dude
Thank you for doing this video. I keep getting diagnosed as an istj or an intj. This helps me figure out the difference in a way that other videos have not been able to. Thank you very much.
good stuff man
Really good videos
I’ve tested as both. I am an ISTJ, but have a knack for planning. And I love designing functional architecture and furniture. I love designing things for a purpose. But it’s creative, lol. I definitely think on the future daily. The far future. But not with fear. I find these very interesting. I would also say I am very in tune to emotions, but if I have a vested interest in some matter then it can conflict with what I’m sensing there. And I respect emotions, I just believe that facts, truth should be the determining factor as much as hormones will allow.
You brought up many points I hadn’t come across before, and I rather enjoyed it. I’ll have to see if you have more. My husband is an INFP I believe, so I’d love to learn more on that (has anyone seen the secret life of Walter Mitty?- lol).
Thanks again.
awesome vid
When it comes to problem solving, I think like the ISTJ first then if that fails I look for a different answer. I also spend many hours theorizing.
hainley simpson , ISTJ definitely will think outside the box if the “box” way isn’t working. They just won’t be concerned about aesthetics much.
I was an INTJ manager. I remember telling an employee " look at where you want to go or what you want to do and find your best way to get there". I would give them the company approved s.o.p. if they were most comfortable that way but I would also let them do things their way if they could one: produce the desired results and two: their way wasn't expressly forbidden by upper management. Of course if their way didn't work out then they got less slack in the leash.
You sound just like what i would say if i'm a boss/manager n yes i'm an INTJ 😁
Very accurate and well said. For years, I wrongly thought I was an INTJ (Fi Child God Complex + Te Parent credibility issues at the time.) Turns out that I was an ISTJ all along. I had to be told so repeatedly, by an INFJ. That was an eye opener. If it ain't broken, don't fix it = ISTJ motif. =D
Thank you so much for this video! I liked how it was to the point, well put together and how you explained everything and added some examples.
I am now fairly sure I'm an ISTJ and not an INTJ. Finally! This is like the 20th video/text guide I had to see/read to be sure. My results tend to differ, sometimes I get an ISTJ, sometimes INTJ, and the ratio is around the middle (60 : 40, usually).
I think what helped me the most was you saying that 1.) INTJs tend to be future oriented, whereas ISTJs past and present oriented, that 2.) INTJs look at a problem and think of tons of ways of how to solve it (creative problem-solvers), whereas ISTJs just do what has worked previously for them (practical problem-solvers), and that 3.) INTJs like to improve, whereas ISTJs like to mantain.
I think I'd like to be an INTJ, I wish I was able to think the way they do, to see all of the possibilities AND to know how to achieve them, but the reality is, unfortunately for me, that I'm actually an ISTJ (although I very much disagree with doing things by the book - I like to find what works the best for me and do it that way, not necessarily the way it should be done).
That's a very unhealthy way to cope
I would suggest to look more into the istj type what you've written are not really true
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Its sad that its common to see ISTJs feel ashamed of their type because theyre not INTJ or whatever
@@NevertahnProduction To me it makes sense, I feel like ISTJs tend to be viewed as these rigorous, ruthless, always by the book bores, so it makes sense ISTJs are scared to say what type they are.
I'm an INTJ and my dad is an ISTJ. Thanks for this video, it'll help me understand him even better now.
Like, everyone's dad is an ISTJ
Fantastic!
I to am stuck in the middle of the two types. Basically I am a I dash, dash TJ. About 60 percent INTJ and 40 percent ISTJ. I seem to have a problem with trying to rationalise past, present and future events. I have a longing for memories of the past, structure, responsibility and order. But I don’t always stick to the here and now and often engage in flights of fancy and speculation of future events and what ifs, which conflict with my normally staid approach. I am in my senior years, with a lot of life experiences ( got the badge, cap and t shirt in too many life events ) and whilst I value predictability, rules and order, I can play fast and loose with the same rules and often have a disdain for the same rules and some of the structures of authority. A favourite saying of my father, which I can still hear ringing in my ears - Was ‘Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools’ This has got me into no end of trouble through my life, but it’s still in the back of my mind. I won’t go into politics as that is a can of worms to be opened and digested later. That’s ventilated a bit - Now back in my cage for a little bit of self isolation as currently I am unsupervised ...
And I still can’t tell if I am INTJ or ISTJ lol. Half of the tests I’ve done say I am one, half say I’m the other. Also, I am really not sure if I am more about present or the future.
Same, I have been typed as an INTJ for 3 years but after learning about the functions of the two types I really got confused. I look back to the past because I like keeping memories. But I still look up for the future and plan for years ahead because I never want to fail and I want to be satisfied with myself and what i did in my life time.
Is there any way to be both? Haha cause I've gotten both and I feel like I fit both personalities
so good.
Wonderful.
I'm a INTJ married to an ISTJ, and it works really well.
please do intj vs infj as they're both ni doms and se inferior, love your vids
I'm an intp and I get on my grown istj's nerves sometimes, as you can imagine. Lol. But we get along for the most part.
I got ISTJ on my last test. But now I am convinced that I am an INTJ
This is me and my best friend. We make a great team.
Had to work with an ISTJ the other day for several hours. I was talking about my ideas to the future and she kept making fun of my idealism. It felt very passive aggressive. I wanted to strangle her.
I have a friend though who is an INTJ though. He's totally has that "Help me or get out of the way" attitude. He's always looking for flaws in the companies that hire him. I tell him not to worry about worst case scenarios before they happen.
Telling an INTJ not to think about all the possible negative outcomes to a decision they have to make is like telling an INFP not to come up with convoluted emotional backstories for the household appliances they've anthropomorphized.
I have taken the test multiple times and get both
Satine S asks a very good question.
I have taken these tests so many times. Many times my results were INTJ. However, I have also taken these tests where the result was ISTJ. As a ratio, INTJ results were more common but, ISTJ was not a one-off result. My explanation for this is, the personality traits of an individual are not so cut and dried as the people who attempt to explain these things portray them to be.
There is situational and emotional overlap whereby a primary trait can be subordinated to a secondary trait given the state of mind of the person at the time the test is administered based on what is present in the person's life at the time the test is administered.
So, my answer to Datine, S is, yes. A person can be both and which one you are at a given point in time is controlled by specific life circumstances at a moment in time you are experiencing.
A person cannot be both INTJ and ISTJ. A subjective test made by subjective programmers being taken by subjective people whose answers are going to be treated and corrected according to subjective standards made by other subjective people is very likely going to give you subjective results. In the end, people can very rarely be trusted when it comes to being objective about themselves when answering questions. According to a certain situation or mood, someone might answer a specific question very differently because of various factors, but that doesn't change their type because their type is their default mode. An intuitive type that tried to do a sensory activity on a particular day is not going to turn into a sensor; or me feeling like spending time with a friend today does not make me an extravert. And yet, according to my desires and mood of the day, I can unconsciously answer a question very differently. Ni and Si are very different functions that are not interchangeable; a person might try to develop their other functions a bit more but they are not going to replace the hero function. Tests cannot be trusted when it comes to finding someone's type because of this constant subjectivity. If you want to know for sure if you're Si or Ni dom, you have to study the cognitive functions more profoundly. There is also the theory about the 4 sides of the mind, it is a bit more complex and much longer to explain, but INTJ and ISTJ are never found together. I know the message is 6 months old but I still wanted to clear things up.
I'm an intj but my mom is a istj so it's really interesting to see the difference. We are both very good planners but she's more regarding things in the present or near future while l do think l have a planning going on in a subconscious level for my entire life even l'm not clearly aware of haha.
Pls do tell more about the differences between planning. It's extremely interesting that you have dis going on in your family. Also have a nice day lady
I get both of these whenever I do a quiz.
I am an intj but i have a lot of istj as a secondary personality, i feel like I im more creative and visionay but sometimes i try to be more practical and stable
woah i’m a perfect mix
This clear my doubt. I eventually fall to INTJ because I don't mind new thing, think in future more and how to fix thing in any kind of way as long as it fix 😂
The description of an ISTJ, I'm picturing Bill Lumbergh from Office Space.
My sister is an ISTJ and I’m an INTJ. She’s always a supervisor but never a boss. She doesn’t like to be a top leader. I just am what I am so get out of my way. Simple enough
Depend on situation and my life experience, I'm sometimes switch between both
My friend is an absolute INTJ while I am an ISTJ.. She was always being misunderstood because of her visionary thoughts.. We work as friend tho
I used to think my dad was an Intj but he took the test and ended up being Istj. And it fits him well. Kinda think he’s a hybrid tho.
I like to think of myself as an istj. Mostly I depend on cold hard logic to make decisions. I usually test as an intj. I do think about and design mechanical things in my mind, but I don't build them. The one thing that really tells though is I have the random solutions that pop into my head from out of nowhere - it is almost like another entity is whispering in my ear sometimes. And these ideas can be totally out of the box, not from my memory, or anything that I have read or been taught. It can be solutions to problems. It can be insight as to how situations will play out. I usually go with the flow and don't make many long term plans. Are the eureka moments definitive? They happen fairly often.
Thanks for this vid. I did the MBTI and i came off around the 50% mark on the intuitive sensing. Have done the test a few times getting both sides of the coin.
This helped me isolate which one i was.
I've always tested INTJ but have been curious whether I could be an ISTJ instead. Big nope lol. I'm definitely future oriented. I always tell my boss "look at all this stuff we could do!" with providing examples, whether improving or a totally new vision for solving a problem. It's always disheartening when I have this great new idea but is shot down...it's like my vision of what could be is thrown in the fire.
Thx for a good video. Problem is that i fit in both intj and istj. IxTJ is always more then 95% and close to The middel with the xNxx. I think that i make my decision like a xSxx when im stressed and its crowded or need to do quick decisions, and like an xNxx when im calm and happy. Guesing emotions is a big part of this.
thissss
If you act like a sensor when stressed, you're an INTJ. Basically, what you're describing is grip stress.
Definitely an intuitive thinker. 👏 👏 👏
out of the 4 letters, i am 50/50 on the last 3 letters and i'm nearly 100% introvert
Thanks.
I feel like I was INTJ when I was younger, but with time and hardship I became ISTJ
Ray Hoodoo john frusciante on your pict? Im an intj so i know most thigns lul
Intj with entj mom and istj dad
I think though nurture some of my dad's habits have influenced the way I do things as I want to improve constantly. I take what works and drop what doesn't. It was kinda funny thinking about the time he got his clean on and just started to do thing and I would start there for about 60 seconds planning out what I was gonna do to be most efficient and he didn't understand so I told him. I think he just sighed and walked away to do something.
It's funny in hindsight but unnerving in real time
My mother is a ISTJ and I'm an INTJ so you can just imagine what our conversations are like. Especially back when I was a teenager and in college.
Interesting that u know your mama is istj. Pls do tell mire bout differences. Ty lady
I’m in the same situation as you and boy is my ESTJ father annoyed with us
Now I'm lost. I feel like I must be a cross between the two - Typically, for the traits presented on one personality that I don't relate to, I usually relate to the other personality trait listed in that same position. What's super interesting is that I fall in line almost completely when it comes to INTJ hobbies. What in the world? Now I don't know who I am or how to help myself.
I get a little aggravated listening to comparisons between these two because I can identify with significant markers in both of them. It makes me wonder if the line between them is defined correctly.
I went down to comment i have been intj and istj and found multiple people are in the same situation. Are they just that similar even though the difference is said to be wide? I really dont know enough about this to draw any conclusions, please help.
First time I took the test I got INTP. A few months later, I got INFP. Three years later it was ISTJ. When I read the description, I felt like something was wrong or I just wanted to take the test once more to make sure. So I took the test a day later, and got INTJ. I read the description and, oh man, it was extremely accurate. I almost started crying. But when I began exploring MBTI, I started doubting myself really badly. Especially when I discovered that INTJ is one of the rarest and intelligent types. Then I came to know about the cognitive functions. After that, I doubted myself even harder: “Am I just being one of those people who just want to feel special by claiming they’re INTJ, INFJ or whatever? Who am I? I hate myself.” Additionally, I’m a girl, so the chance of me being an INTJ is extremely low. Likewise, when I came to know that intuitives were only 30% of the population, I was almost sure I was a self-proclaimed INTJ. I couldn’t stop on that point since I haven’t explored all the typology nuances. I started narrowing down the possibilities of my MBTI by learning how they work. I was in despair. I didn’t know anymore who I am: my vision of myself became extremely blurry. This is happening to me since I turned 12: every time I’m sure of something I find the ways to doubt it without even knowing how. Am I an INTJ with low self esteem, imposters syndrome or something? Or is it correct to doubt myself because it may be true? I always thought I knew myself well. But I have no idea anymore. Every time I see myself one way, I will find another possibility of my true self. It’s like “The more you know, the better you understand that you don’t know anything.”
Read your lengthy diatribe with interest. I am a male in my mid seventies and on looking back to about 12 years of age I became aware of looking at things differently, which continued for most of my adult life. Many years ago a friend put myself and a few others through a Personality Profile to discover talents, preferences etc. Skip forward a few years and after having a conversation with same person, he made me aware that he had used MBTI as a profile tool and in the intervening years had come to the conclusion that i was an ISTJ. Upon researching this personality in depth I kept getting an INTJ Profile as well, with Ambivert Characteristics. The bits that confuse me are the fact that I am both future and past oriented also whilst being a stickler for rules and knowledge of the rules, i often look for creative ways to break them. I also can have issues with Authority Figures and have locked horns with many people who represent authority. Whilst being in some low level managerial positions, I always felt more comfortable advising my more senior colleagues. As an aside, I recall a quote from my father ‘Rules are for the Guidance of Wise Men and the Blind Obedience of Fools’ - This has caused more than its fair share of drama in my life. All for now, good talking to you. PS ‘Embrace who you are and like me try and ‘Value Add’ the Package you come in’
@@haydnroberts8614 thank you. I didn't expect anyone to reply. I think I'm on my way to accept who I am. I suspect I was stuck in a NiFi loop or another loop at the time so I couldn't define my identity. I also came to know about the Enneagram test so I have more opportunities to type myself accurately.
Good talking with you. Like yourself I am still in the stage of self discovery and am still actively trying to fathom myself out. A very good site that treats MBTI with a degree of humour and tongue in cheek is the Frank James Site. Keep on Keeping On …
@@haydnroberts8614 oh, that is interesting. Self-discovery is such a long process. I also will see the website. I know this blogger but never knew he had a site.
@@onion-headed Hi - Hope you don’t mind me contacting you. Did you find the Frank James site interesting, i found his humour refreshing and a little bit sarcastic, thus reinforcing my INTJ outlook. Since my first awareness of Myers Brigs and my identification with INTJ, i occasionally check out the occasional MBTI sites but I am careful to keep it measured as i believe it can become a self fulfilling prophecy. This can lead to treating it as a Horoscope and blinkering our perception. The little bit of research I do confirms a lot for me and gives me food for thought and growth. If you ever have any questions please contact me. Or if you want to remain private, i respect that. Bye for now, from South Australia …
I used to be an ISTJ a few months ago, until I took another test just today and I'm suddenly an INTJ.
Magic🤣
I really could not understand the difference between the two, and also did not agree with the "ISTJs don't think of the future" statement, until it all clicked at 7:55.
Yup, I'm definitely an ISTJ, not INTJ. Facts >>>>>> ideas. :D
I tend to swap between the two with mood and mental state
I'm not insensitive I just don't care
hmm macke sense to them I guess
I'm a future thinker but I also dwell on the past when it involves a breakup in a relationship so depending on my mood I can be either one but I type myself INTJ because it's a more elitist type.
NotJo I took the test and I was a 60/40 split between Intuitive and Sensing. I lean towards N but I clearly have some S qualities. No one will be a pure N or S.
I have studied this for a long time and I seem to consistently fall in between both ISTJ & INTJ.
For those that fall in between personality types, it would be nice to have more than just the 16 personality types.
Would really reccommend the big 5 personality test 👍 It's a fluid scale across 5 core traits rather than rigid types, and it's generally regarded as more valid. I've found it to be much more insightful than Meyers Briggs
do you notice subtle changes in detail such as if a piece of furniture has been moved very slightly, if a building has been repainted in a slightly different colour, or the slight change in time in a timetable for a train. this would indicate an Si dominant. (ISTJ or ISFJ)
or are you mostly oblivious to the small details in your environment and struggle to focus 100% on what is around you and would much rather be day dreaming a scenario about something you want to do in the future (usually isn't in a specific timeline or any at all) and daydreaming how that scenario would play out and what would happen next. This would indicate Ni dominant (INTJ or INFJ)
one way to help figure out is compare yourself to people and try and find the differences.
@@jhixx8910 I am definitely INTJ.
okay but um I see myself in those two things, depends on my mood? I don't like talking about the future because it's scary but I don't really care about the present and like to search things about the future cuz I think that's all that matters. so conclusion: I care so much about the future that I don't really like thinking about it, but it's nice to imagine what I want to be in the future, thinking about the present just stresses me out. and oh I am so open to any ideas, I don't like following the books if I hear and can try better ideas, but I sometimes stick with it because I don't really know much about it, but if I do, I'll explore what I can reach.. I'm very lazy and don't expect me to be a manager because I forget things a lot, cuz I can't bring myself to worry about them, but if I worry about something I'd really try being good and I'd get it good cuz that's just the way I am. so?
I'm something between these two types
I read that istj is better given the name of scientist while intj is more of a prophet. Using their mind as “revelation” to what they should bring into reality
I was an INTJ but around 6 months later i took the test again and I’m an ISTJ, although i still relate more to INTJ
Interesting, why and what do you think about future lady?