The Past, Present, and Future of MMORPGs
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Today I wanted to spend some time talking about the MMO genre in gaming. League of Legends announced it's MMORPG about a year ago and I couldn't be more excited, being someone who's always loved the genre of game myself. So to close out the year I thought it would be fun to take some time looking at the past, present, and future of MMORPGs.
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This is another more chill discussion video but some of the larger docs I've been working on should start coming out next month :)
I've also got more projects for more channels I'll keep you guys updated on. I know content has been sparse on my channel recently but big things are coming in the future.
Thanks for sticking with me all these years, here's to 2022 :)
Runeterra really does have an intresting world, where every region kinda feels like a stereotype but often kinda have a more intresting feel.
Also I would looove to hear you rambling about arcane and what you think about that
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Have a nice 2022 gbay
Runescape was a more approachable interpretation of Ultima Online (the idea of a browser mmo was brilliant). It thrived, in part, because it retained the original vision of Ultima Online as UO lost its way.
*Rant begins here*
Ultima Online was initially designed around economics and the concept that everything in the game was created by players. Originally you either participated in the economy by harvesting resources, refining them, or buying from other players. A perfect example of an early problem that was handled poorly is the PKer/bounty/sanctuary city system that could have been improved, but instead they created a mirror world where PK was impossible. It took them a while to implement guild wars in Trammel, so players who wanted to do any PvP had to travel to Felucca which became filled with nothing but PvPers. After Origin implemented guild wars in Trammel, Felucca became a ghost town with nothing but PKers. Players literally just abandoned their homes and moved to Trammel. A very inelegant solution to the PvP issues that eliminated the danger of harvesting so crafters just went out to harvest resources for themselves and players didn't die nearly as often so it was rare one actually needed to replace, for example, their weapon and armor. It broke down the economy. Then Origin implemented magic items that couldn't be crafted and the economy completely disappeared.
Ultima Online finally drove away many of us long-time players after World of Warcraft was released and they felt the need to directly compete while not understanding the appeal of WoW, so all they really managed to do was alienate the player base that had stuck around through other less major changes.
It literally became a choice of moving to Runescape for the old UO feels or moving to WoW because the changes to UO didn't mesh well with the core game. The primary examples being: the aforementioned uncraftable magic items, the swap from 2D to 3D graphics which made the game uglier while reducing readability of what was on screen, and "raid" style battles that just really didn't work with the core mechanisms of UO.
*End Rant*
Here's hoping the Riot MMO doesn't just try to be "WoW, but in Runeterra"
Next month 💀
"I treat people in MMO's like I would in real life!" -Gbay as he PK's someone and takes their gold/gear
He just admitted to being a murderer. But only if you are wearing full Bandos.
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@@clon1122 I woulda said event of the decade.
I was expecting you to say MapleStory, Runescape and World of Warcraft when you mentioned the big 3 MMO's but then I forgot you mentioned the late 90's LOL
removing the RPG element from the MMO was when everything went wrong personally . As soon as people started prioritizing competitiveness over everything else, that was when everything started to go down hill. at least that was how my experience was anyway. I think making the games so easy didnt help either, hardships is often what makes people band together which builds relationships between people.
I don't think that happened because of the removal of rpg elements meta gaming is just kreeping up in everything even single player games
I just hope they look at FFXIV and go, "We want that type of community".
Never have I experienced the type of wholesome and inclusive community that I have from FFXIV. It's truly amazing and one of the things that REALLY makes it the best MMO imo.
you should see the gw2 community. holy shit people are nice there
@@noakinn The Warframe comunity is also very nice c:
@@-CyberFrame oh yeah ihad over 1000 hours on that game, but i quit like 2 years ago cus of the grind and also i felt like i was developing carpal tunnel
RuneScape did worldbuilding well in the aspect you talked about. I love the fact that the RS world is non-linear. Unlike other games where after you finish the quests, there's no reason to come back which leaves the world feeling desolate, RuneScapes worlds nonlinearity means you may find high level players training farming or doing clue scrolls in places all over the world. The world feels realistic and never truely empty in that sense.
Another thing I personally love about runescape is its many skills and viabilities. Most games are just about leveling your character to get stronger, but RuneScape has so many skills to level which offer so many things to do. And unlike most other MMOs where lifeskills feel like a last minute add on, RS lifeskills like fishing, cooking, mining, smithing, and many more, are actually viable ways to grow your account/ make money. The only other game I've played that does something similar is mabinogi.
I'm hoping whatever MMO riot makes, it won't fall into the theme park category, and that they understand MMOs are about immersing into a world of lore rather than just leveling characters.
The story content at least will most likely fall into that theme park category though. That's almost a given (also considering how many past WOW devs are working on it)
I agree with you on RuneScape not having the typical zone system which get abandoned after you done an expansion does help the world stay and feel lived in. Even with it smaller playerbase compared to wow etc it still feels very lively.
It's always a good day when Gbay comes back.
Then thankfully disappears, hopefully forever
I'm just praying for it to be a fair game without all the predatory bs we've gotten used to
It doesn't need to be amazing, just treat the players with a minimun degree of respect
It honestly doesn't feel real hearing from it after so many years of speculating and wishing for a Runeterra MMO
Preferably also without the kernel level anti-cheat nonsense that got me to quit valorant.
I mean, I think Riot has done a good job at not making any of their games P2W so far, so hopefully they can keep that up.
What do you mean by predatory? I dont see anythint predatory in any riot game
@@monster2slayer I think they're referring to other MMO games, not Riot.
Agreed! A lot of MMOs are a big issue. I think with Riot's recent track record (LoR being EXCELLENT in enabling you to build the deck you want without having to pay anything, as well as them owning up to the Ruination event being too grindy on PC) we can have decently high hopes that it won't be that bad, but as always, it's never a good idea to get your hopes up TOO high haha
I know these videos aren’t your most popular but I appreciate it all the same. You work really hard on all your content and we appreciate it!
You know, you're right. That's why I loved Everquest. I made lots of friends, my best friends irl played it, we would log in just to exist in the world, chat, maybe go fight some stuff, do raids later on etc.
I would love another MMO like that where we could be a part of it versus experiencing it.
Was a big LoL player back in the day 2013-2017 nowadays I do aram with the wife amd some guys I work with. When I found out that Old School RuneScape came out with a mobile version. My inner childhood came out and I am once again playing my favorite childhood game. Super excited for the league mmo, im hoping it's my childhood and teenage years combined and love everything
Peak RuneScape years 07-09 was the greatest gaming experience
the Lord of the Rings Online was my first MMO, and after going through Tera Online, Runescape, Rift, Black Desert Online, and World of Warcraft, it's the only one that I'm still playing today. Being a massive LotR nerd helpos, but the world is delightful and the playerbase is probably the most genuine and loving community i've ever been a part of. Sure, the 14 years since its release have not been kind to the game, but I (and many others) still love it. I'm tentatively hopeful that the League MMO will have the same feeling of a warm hug when booting up the game.
Very excited and hope we get more information soon about the new MMO! I've played WoW a lot and thought your points regarding the world are pretty spot on - so many zones feel way too huge and make it rare to see other players...and you go there for one quest and then never again.
Hey GBay, long time viewer here. I know you may feel self conscience about your upload schedule this year being thin but at the same time I love each and every one of these videos because I can tell how much work and passion you put into each one. You instill a sense of passion into me to make me want to see these things flourish into great things in the future and make me want to be apart of that.
Love your content Gbay! Happy 2022
great video man! I also miss the community aspect of the old mmo's, and I believe they have to give us more than ever before to make a new experience feels really fresh and fun.
I'm hyped about Zenith because of how rich the world seems to be, and of course, bc of the VR experience which will be the most promising aspect that will make people give another chance to that genre
If you want a mmo with the community aspect then play ff14.
Happy new year gbay!
Gbay, I would love for you to do a discussion video on RuneScape. One of my favorite games of all time, I started playing in 2006z It’s so wonderful to hear someone so passionate for the game talk about it.
I remember watching Gbay like 4-6 years ago in between my classes in college. Looked forward to Road To Diamond every single day. I'll never forget it. So every time a Gbay video pops up, I try my best to share a view and a like. Respect.
Love the videos and work you do! I enjoy coming back to your channel every once in a while and getting caught up on your vids
Super awesome video, I love Runescape myself and although I realized the ancient spellbook's teleports were to cities of old, I never really contextualized what that meant in context of the world. It is so fascinating to me that some of those teleports are useless by design because they aren't meant for you, they are meant for the Mahjarrat, relics of a bygone era that people one day used. Like how the "Ancient spellbook" for the player was once the "Normal spellbook" for those people. Makes me want to read up more on RS lore.
On a side note, it makes me think of an important element of worldbuilding that I think a lot of games miss out on, in that the player is a central focus of the story rather than just being a part of that world. One thing that I love so much about Runescape is how the npc's treat you in game- they just treat you as a person, half the npc's don't take you seriously! I think that is so important to make the people feel real. A good MMO (or game world in general) makes you feel like you are part of an era that is advancing, history is concurrently being made around the player rather than you simply reacting to the history of that world that has already happened.
I’ve never thought of it like that yeah lore is really well done in RuneScape.
happy new year gbay! :)
Hope you're doing well! Cant wait for another video I miss these!
Big plans for the new year, he said...
Hey gbay! Loved the video, hair looking fire 🔥
Love it when my boy Gbay posts a video
Love how you educate us in a easy and bite size bits
Great video gbay, thanks for posting!
I appreciated your look into this
Beautiful video Gbay
Merry Christmas and a happy new year in advance :)
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I think the reason people get along more in MMOs as opposed to social media is because common goal brings people together, and unlike MOBAs there's not as much individual scrutiny when obstacles stand between you and that goal.
That's a great point. On social media you invent a goal, which is sadly usually political in nature since there are no mechanics and naturally some people oppose it, which leads to a cult like behavior rather than mutual benefit unification of sorts. Also, in MMOs people usually went through similar journeys, so you could relate a lot more to your fellow players while on social media it's us, and our world experiences are way too different to be able to have most people relate. You hit the nail on the head, man. Great comment :]
I am very excited for this gbay video
I just love listening to someone speak about things they truly care for. Even if this video wasn't partly about the Runeterra MMO it's still awesome to hear you talk about what you think makes a good world, quests and overall player experience. I'd really like to see you make more videos about this topic!🙂
guy on the internet rambles about a topic that he is way to passionate about is actually my favorite type of video
hope you are doing well gbay, you will always be part of my LoL nostalgia.
Hey Gbay. I'm a long-time follower of your content. Thank you for making great videos.
Loved this!!
I'm still subscribed, just checked and apparently I subscribed to you on the Christmas day of 2020, a little over a year later and you posted your last video. Hope your new endeavors are going great :)
god just hearing Gbay talk about anything he's passionate about be it mmo's or silverware just makes me happy keep on doing you Gbay
Just want to say thanks for not cutting after every sentence!
This is a really great breakdown and explanation of the genre
28 minutes long gbay vid about the riot mmo? LETS GO, CONTENT WE NEED
Wow that social media being the death of a MMO genre is mind blowing observation!
I love this format of videos
every time you drop a video i get so excited :D
Btw i would looooove if you made more legends of runeterra videos. I dont know if you still play it, but the gameplay vidoes and such you made at the start of the game were great
I had a blast playing Lineage 2 so many years, as you did with runescape
Great video!
Gbay is such a calm and Nice guy to listen to
runescapes quests feel sooo much more worldbuilding, rewarding and different compared to other MMOs
I was wondering if you could make a video on the Clutch Gaming playoffs run in 2019? I loved that team
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When Escape From Tarkov is finally finished and has some form of map-to-map travel/open world, I think it will fill an interesting niche as a survival looter/shooter with MMO features. The release of VOIP this patch has fundamentally changed the game and has enabled gameplay (including RP) that wasn't happening before.
He's back!
I was not that into MMOs until I discovered the beautify of it when I played eve echoes
Oh nice! Looks like a cool video
Bro did you forget FFXIV already saved MMOs
I have also been excited for this game, I hope it will turn out well.
By the way, any chance you could use a more comfortable background than a kind of white wall? This burns eyes no matter if watched on a big monitor or a smartphone screen :X.
No flame In these comments, you're doing good man, you're producing content you're passionate about and actually giving folk history and appreciation for the world's they now virtually live in. Cheers genuinely a wee appreciation post love your content
*WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN!!!*
When are you going to start streaming on twitch
Okay yes Gbay. This is an MMO truly. I hope the people at Riot will take your input if they aren't already doing this, because this is all I'm asking for. It's why I still play Maplestory. Thanks for this great video bro.
I think replayability and challenging content is a major key to success for modern MMO's. Even if a world is believable and you have a community within the game, if there is nothing to do, and nothing that gives you the feeling of progress or overcoming a challenge, the game will slowly start to decline. I think you nailed the aspects of world building and community of MMO's, and I 100% agree, but I think replayability and challenging content is important for the longevity of an MMO as well.
Great, thought provoking video.
Love your work Gbay I must have listened to your videos over again so many times while mowing lawns or weed whacking.
dude I love your shirt
I've been player League since release and MMORPGs for much longer, I remember playing some of these MMOs and wondering if that was possible then, how good will MMOs be in 10/20 years, sadly actually nothing has changed much... MMORPGs have been stagnant for so long, the biggest change there is in MMOs is graphic quality and performance.
I know Riot isnt known for being innovators, more so just picking up something that already works and making it more appealing and accessible, but I really hope they go a bit beyond that with the MMORPG.
The main 2 problems I see in MMORPGs is bland worlds and lack of "side activities", luckily Riot has been building the Runeterra world for almost a decade now, the world is already believable even tho we have mostly seen in text form, or drawings, or some animation bits, Riot "just" needs to give it a "physical" body.
Most MMORPGs are only about you going around doing what NPCs tell you to do, kill monsters and cut trees and other life-skills, theres nothing else, ence the lack of side activities, I think FFXIV does a really good job providing alternative content, such as roleplay tools and places, different ways to play the game other than kill things and craft more things.
Theres so much potential in the world of runeterra, imagine going to the undercity, entering The Last Drop and interacting with other people there, maybe even play some of the games we seen in Arcane with other players.
I could go on and on with ideas of the game could be like, theres room for so much, but in the end I think I will be happy to just finally walk around the world I have known of for so long.
Everything you said about Runescape I found in the game Ragnarok Online. Not sure if you know that MMO, but it's my favorite of all time!
Yesss
my luck in soloq is back ❤
I think a modern MMO needs two things: an environment that is fun and rewarding to explore and modern gameplay. The hit 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 combat system is dated and kind of boring. I hope they find a way to add a good amount of abilities while being able to maybe lean more to darksouls or blade and soul combat. We need skill shots or directional attack instead of everything being auto lock and only like 2 combos.
I just want that this MMo doesn't revolve around me. Many MMO's have the same kind of storyline, you are the "chosen" one destined to save the world and your main quest is always the same for every player.
I want an MMO to have a life of it's own, that changes and evolves independently from what I do. But I also want the players to have influence on the world itself.
The same way the real world geopolitics are always changing, it would be interesting to have a world with a similar dynamic where players influence how the regions evolve and change over time.
With random events like natural disasters popping up unannounced out of nowhere from time to time. Things that would give life to the world and keep it interesting.
Oh cool one more upload before the year is out.
hope you're doing well man
The League MMO will be fantastic in 5+ years
i love you gbay.
We need a virtual dnd mmo that runs like an in home ttrpg game imo. That would be my pinnacle mmo.
It already exists. It's called Divinity Original Sin 2
@@Strill_ except its not exactly mmo, its at most 4 players in a game but it is still an amazing game
Guild Wars 1 is somewhat like that. Modern MMOs will always borrow from WoW though.
just play the dnd mmo from 2006 lmao.
Honestly the idea of a world I'd want to live in is a good reason I love FFXIV. With the ability to do anything on one character and a story-driven rpg experience, I feel a deep connection to my character and the world and people I've helped so many times. I know Ghostcrawler is from WoW, but I hope they take a page from FFXIV's playbook rather than WoW's for Riot's MMO.
Missed you Nat :D
Love being subbed but not being alerted. :D
Black spot on the wall is driving me crazy
I've dreamed about a Runeterra MMO since 2018, tried to build the world myself, made some artwork, put this game at the center of my class projects. I've played this game in my head already, imagined the universe, the map, the gameplay, the interactions and the content. I'm eagerly waiting for this game, I know Riot Games and Greg Street have the power to make MMOs popular again. The League universe is surprisingly deep in it's lore. There's hope.
Man i just wanted to comment on gbays latest video and let him know I instantly recognized him in "players" butbibguess it was 5 months ago so rip
babe wake up new gbay video just dropped
Where do I buy that mumu? Links please.
Star Wars Galaxies was that game for me. Being a double agent/espionage, having friends and "marks" that thought I was their friend as I betrayed them to the rebellion. The player economy and the unique spawn drops where everyone didn't have the same stupid items and gear. The crafting professions and the way unique versions of different resources would spawn and you had to be smart enough to stock up on the rare good ones. Will never be beaten unfortunately. Sure it could be unfair but it was like life.
Me: clicking on a Gbay video
Gbay: starts talking about something
Me: lets see how he gets to talking about Rune Scape this time...
Love you anyway
I saw the title and immediately thought, "yeah, my business plan is to build an mmo. I'll watch this and see what they say". Clicked and didn't think anything more. Immediately heard your voice as I was checking my email and thought, "huh, this sounds like Gbay." Well, what do you know? It's been a while man. How ya been?
Yeah, same😍
RuneScape around 07 08 was the peak gaming experience one could get
Think Gbay boy needs to try VRC, even desktop mode in this vr game is worth reaching people and being in worlds with others. I would guess it's alike second life. Anyway, I meet people in vrc, and then play different games with them like Destiny 2 being the only MMO alike game right now. But league MMO would take our daily life in the "virtual word" more amazing. Previously played DrakenSang Online and BnS constantly. Tried the most common MMOs, to find what I like. Just gonna pray for the best
You should do another one of these videos on the lol MMO
Gbay is looking like an Younger Tony Schiavone.
And thats a compliment.
Gbay looking like a snack lately
Thank you Gbay ! i love that you still make videos. I want play be addicted to an mmo instead of league. league gameplay in runescape like world would be amazing from riot
I'm SUPER hype for it. Already saving some pocket money to pay for it :p
An mmo video post endwalker launch without mentioning it? Genuinely surprised.
and then theres me, still playing runescape (old school so its basically the same game as before) just as if i was that 12 year old kid back in 2007
I have been playing FFXIV for years and years, and have never once had a bad experience with another player. In LoL there is a minimum 1 mean person per match...
Your shirt looks like a Splatoon ad.