M57 Defender: 1st Start in the Engine Stand
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- čas přidán 4. 03. 2021
- Its been a long time guys but I have finally got round to uploading the next video showing the next step for the Defender. The next few videos should have a lot of information for anyone looking to do the same your own truck!
- Auta a dopravní prostředky
Well worth waiting for. Can’t wait for the next one , well done mate👍🏻
Thanks John Ardon, next one will be sooner, no excuses this time 🤣
Can't wait to be at this stage with our OM606! Mega engine stand! We use Clutchfix they're awesome 😎
I can’t wait to see it also, people are getting crazy power from them 😂 Good luck with it!!
So good! Buzzing to see that start 💪
Thanks for making the videos! So informative and useful.
No worries mate, I’m glad it helped 👍🏽
You’re a legend, loving the Wesht of Arland accent and all the info. Definitely gonna help build my Series 3 crossbred. Thanks pal!
😂😂 a few people have said that to me, I actually grew up in midlands though!!
That’s great to hear, thank you!!
I was thinking of doing an m57 series, I’d definitely be interested in seeing yours!!! 👍🏽👍🏽
Love your work. I'm part way through my m57 conversion. You've done well. Keep up the good work. I will have to get an lt230 case resleeved at some stage. Tidy job.
Thankyou mate, good luck with yours (you might be up and running already?) 👍🏽
Great workshop engineering. Keep it coming. Dermot.
Thank you very much! Next one will be coming soon 😬
Utterly brilliant cant wait for the next one!, Ive got my wiseman loom and ECU on order.
Thank you. That’s great, I guarantee you won’t be disappointed with the conversion. Good luck with it!! 👍🏽
Great content as always mate
Thank you mate 👍🏽
top job on the engine frame , cant wait for the engine install
Thank you @ Dave 1 second ago, it’s coming soon 👍🏽
@@KeepitBigBore look forward too it im subbed bro
Top content again 😎❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ Looking good
Thank you again Peter Wall 😬
think i just found my new favorite channel😁
🤣 that’s great to hear, thank you! And your a dirtbike man as well!!!
Mate love the attention to detail keep it up! Looking forward to seeing the rest of the build!.
Cheers
Tom 👍
Thanks Tom!! Me too, I’m looking forward to the test drive. Hope your keeping well mate 👍🏽
@@KeepitBigBore All good this end mate 👍 little slow on the projects due to work but making some time to get on with them soon 👌
Fair play to you. good work
great video
thanks for posting .. great video
Thank you mate. The installation and test drive will be next 👍🏽
Great progress! I’ve been looking for a long time and finally found my donor bmw (e46 330d 6 speed 🦄) on my doorstep! For my 2 door Range Rover “resto mod...🥴” Interesting to see you successfully tackling this with limited space, very encouraging for me, when I start.
Oh man, whip that car up immediately 🤣
That should be a very nice swap, I’ve only really seen defenders and discoveries, the Range Rover will be a nice balance 👍🏽
As for space, I guess these things are only possible when we have no choice but to do it😂
Thank-you for your comment!!!
Good luck with the Range Rover 👍🏽
This is the dream combo (or an Om606 if needed)
Absolutely!! even though I’m doing the m57 myself, I can’t deny the power some guys are getting from the om606, not to mention the simplicity of them also, they’re a great unit 😬
@@KeepitBigBore even though I’ve got a merc I think I like the m57 idea more 👌🏼
Those old pins you knocked out are roll pins , your a fab god , I’m going to buy a Landy and send it to you for the conversion , I whant a auto box is that OK , great stuff keep going .
“Roll pins” that’s the one, I couldn’t think of the correct name at the time, I think I called them split pins 😂
Thank you!! I’d happily do it!! I’m working towards getting myself a workshop (alongside a house in the countryside) so once that’s done, I’ll be taking in all the projects I can find!!
Thank you very much for your comment 😬
Very informative thanks I have been over these videos ready for my build on my monster mitsubishi l200 if you don't mind me asking what welder do you use in your video you make it look easy thanks regards Ray
Hi ray, I’m using a thermal arc, Arcmaster 202. Great welder for the money!!! 👍🏽
Interesting to see this, looking doing this conversion but the only thing thats holding me back is the unknowns about the wiring, i take it u used a 2.5l diesel p38 bellhousing? Looking forward to the next video....
That’s correct in regards to the bell housing!
The wiring is very simple, I’ll show how the loom works in the next video. Here’s the list of items you’ll need to get your engine running so if your buying a doner car, just take these parts before you scrap the car
1) Engine, with engine loom and injector loom (these are usually bolted to the engine so if you take the engine out, these come out with it
2) ECU, EWS, Key and the ring/circular antenna from the ignition barrel. (Make sure these are a set from the original car as the ecu, ews and key are matched from the factory and cannot be mixed and matched)
3) ECU Loom, has a small white block with 4 or 5 fuses and a relay on it, it’s only a few wires, you’ll find it in the compartment the ecu is in.
4) Stand-alone harness from MW Machines or Wiseman Engineering.
5) Accelerator pedal/potentiometer. If you got an older m57 like mine, this will be a remote mounted cylindrical potentiometer unlike the newer ones which are built into the accelerator pedal. Buy the newer accelerator pedal to keep things simple. The old one can work but it involves soldering and it’s just complicated. The new type will plug straight into the stand-alone harness.
6) Diesel filter with built in pre-supply pressure sensor (taken from doner car) there is a new and old type so make sure to get the same year as your engine loom as the plugs are different.
8) Inline Diesel pump, also known as a Pre-Supply pump. Some people also use the in tank pump, mine is currently running without it and no issues.
9) Inline Diesel pump relay, this is to turn the diesel pump on and off when the ignition is on. You can also wire the fuel pump to simply come on and off with the ignition but I think the relay is a nice touch as the ecu will turn the fuel pump off if the engine is not running.
10) Ground cable. Most cars have this already but make sure it’s still there. You’ll need to install a good and thick ground cable from the engine block to the chassis, the chassis is then connected to the negative terminal of the battery. Also, on the engine loom, and stand-alone harness, there are ground cables.
Tip: If it’s on the BMW looms and it’s brown, it’s probably a ground 👍🏽
That’s about it! There are other things like temp gauges, radiators, inter coolers, etc but the list above is all that’s needed to get the engine running.
I hope this helps, if it seems daunting, don’t worry, pretty much all of the above just plugs together 😬
ive read and understand you need 3.5-4bar supply pressure to the hp fuel pump. Do you need to run a fuel pressure regulator or just hook up a pump straight away? What pump are you running? Awesome project and thanks for all the info and help
Hey man. There is a regulator on the back of the high pressure pump. So all you need is a 4 bar electric pump that’s capable of delivering enough volume. I used the electric (pre-supply) pump from the e39, it’s still running strong 👍🏽
Your welcome!!! Let me know if you need anything else!
Is there any way of running the gm auto 5 speed auto gearbox (standalone) which came with the m57 out of e39 530d thanx rikki
Hi mate. You could definitely run it. I don’t know of any kits for that transmission but an easy way to do it would be to run a prop shaft directly to the rear diff and just leave it as 2wd 👍🏽
Loving the show. I guess I am late to the party. I have a Defender 90, 1998 300TDI up here in Iceland that I am going to stick an M57 in. Also love doing the bikes. Mostly Triumph for off road. Would love some advice. I have access to a RR2006 vogue. I am not sure what M57 is installed. I can't see the bloody engine number on the left block anywhere. It has an Iron block. Was going to use an MW Machines adaptor and see what damage I can do. Any ideas on the engine variant?
Hi mate, Sorry for my late response. As far as I know, that engine will be the m57306d1 so it’s the same as mine. So you could also go down the route of a p38 bell housing, use the original rr transmission and make an adaptor if you can or you could find a bmw zf6-53dz HGA transmission and get yourself a great manual set up!!
Either way, I’m nearly certain it’s a 306d1 you got 👍🏽
Land Rover and bikes always go well together….Pure testosterone 🤣
@@KeepitBigBore Thanks mate - Yes I ran the L322 VIN through and it is a M57306D1. I have investigated a bit further and apparently the e46 M57Nd2 is also a perfect fit, using the MWMachines adaptor plate and clutch. I am pretty sold on using the standard R380 box and transfer case as this will cut down on cost and complexity. I realise that the R380 @380 nm rating might be a bit of a weak point, but I wont be thrashing the car so I think I should be OK. Same with clutch. The M57306D1 is rated at around 171hp and 390nm torque, and the M57ND2 is around 201hp and 410nm, but apparently the ND2 is a much better unit. Maybe I could derate it a bit?
For me personally, if I were going to stick with the r380 then I would use the p38 bell housing. The only downside is a heavier clutch pedal and a weak clutch fork shaft in the bell housing.
It’s very easy to fit a separate and small brake servo unit to reduce the weight of the clutch pedal. Coupled with a p38 dmf and clutch clutch you’ll have yourself a 600nm capable set up. The r380 obviously still being the weak point.
The way I like to look at the engines are 306d1, 306d2(m57n), 306d3(m57n2) etc
The e46 330d came with both n and n2 as far as I know. The cast iron version is the m57n and has the same bell housing pattern as the 306d1.
The only reason the m57n’s would be considered better units is for their “tuneability”.
You can’t get any more reliable than a 306d1.
My 306d1 is remapped to 240bhp in the e39, it now has a straight through 3” pipe, egr delete etc so it’s possibly somewhere around 250bhp and 450-500nm and my r380 is holding up just fine! I’ve pulled away from many l200’s, rangers, td5’s etc so I don’t go east on it 🤣🤣
The p38 bell housing may even save you a little more again.
If you use the p38 you got to buy a custom clutch.
If you use the bmw 6 speed manual you have to buy an lt230 adaptor.
Best thing to do is price up all your options and let prices and availability decide for you. It’s the sole reason I’m running the p38 set up 👍🏽
Hello mate I am looking to put m57 in my nissan patrol gr y61, 5 speed manual..
Can you help me and suggest me which m57 is the best and what parts I need for this conversion.
Thanks
Hey mate. It depends on what you want to do with your patrol.
I just wanted my defender to be able to handle motorway speeds with ease, be more efficient and be able to keep up with an average car.
If you want the same then I’d recommend the
M57D301 which was in the e53 x5, the early e46 330d, the e39 530d. It’s the first generation on 3.0L m57 and has a cast iron block. You can get them to 300bhp with a few mods.
I read about a guy in Norway who got his to 440bhp with 700nm also. That is plenty for me.
As for parts. I strongly recommend buying a complete car that’s running. You know for sure everything is there and it will probably be cheaper. Try to get a 6speed manual and you can use the BMW transmission then. It’s a strong transmission!
After that, it’s just things like, stand-alone ecu kit, from MW Machines or Wisemans Engineering, radiators, inter oilers etc.
Long story short, buy a complete car and you will have most of the parts needed. 👍🏽👍🏽
I want to ask a question, I want to change the engine in my car, from M47 to M57 apart from the engine and the differential, the rest I have to change, for example the wiring of the computer unit, can you tell me why we are thinking of doing this conversion, thank you
Hi mate, as far as I know, the m47 wiring is very similar to m57, I think the plugs are the exact same as well as long as you use the same year of m57
So if you have a dde4 m47, you can easily use a dde4 m57 👍🏽
@@KeepitBigBore Thank you very much for the answer, I will start the conversion
Hi mate great build just like to pick your brains im doing a conversion on a transit m57 getting dropped in do you know if the m57d1 bell housing is the same as the m57d30 thanks in advance ?
Hi mate, all the titles are m57d306d1, d2, d3 etc, they are all m57d30’s, do you know which one you have? Is it a cast iron or aluminium block?
@@KeepitBigBore Hi mate it’s a cast iron block i’ve managed to get it in and running but having trouble with it cutting out i’ve got the bmw inline fuel pump wired up to wisemen’s instructions but the pump in the transit is just bye passed im wondering weather the transit one is cutting out im going to wire it to the relay what the bmw one is wired up to think it could be that ?
Hi mate, sorry I’ve just seen this now. Did you manage to trouble shoot your issue?
Do you have any information/link to the clutch you’re using? I have a manual P38 that I am going to convert to M57 and need a new clutch. All I can find at the moment is Britpart.
If you speak to a company called clutchfix and tell them you’re setup they will be able to sort you out. I have what is basically a heavy duty p38 clutch in mine.
@@KeepitBigBore hey totaly enjoy youre videos ..currently have a m57 that i want to use in a pickup was wondering what did you use on the wiring what stays and what goes ..things needed to let it run? Will be very helpfull..cheers
Thankyou mate 👍🏽 I want to make some e videos on this build soon!!
Have you seen my other videos BMW M57 Standalone ECU
czcams.com/video/aC6AATbAqP8/video.html
It should help to understand what I used and what I didn’t! Hope this helps!!
I'm currently swapping my e60 520d I've got the m57 in and mounted got ews deleted on the ecu it's cranking was coming up no fuel pressure at rail tried hp tried a engine loom tried running a inline pump from a 25litre drum tried clamping the return didn't have anything to check if it was 4bar of pressure to the pump any suggestions and what did you use on the engine stand
Hi mate, I used the original in line pump and it was delivering 4 bar while in the engine stand. You only need 2.5 or so.
Have you removed an injector pipe, are you getting fuel up there at all. Check your connection on the back of the high pressure pump.
Have you had this engine running before, do you know for sure if there are any other issues with the engine?
I helped a guy in America with trouble shooting for weeks, after trying everything, the only thing left to do was to replace the high pressure pump, that was the issue in the end, it fired up immediately.
@@KeepitBigBore thanks for the reply yes engine was removed from a running car I've cracked an injector pipe not much fuel was there hardly any to be fair.
I thought the low pressure system may have been not supplying what it should on the 520d so bought a inline pump ran a 12v straight to it didn't use a filter just feed and return to a 25litre drum but didn't wouldn't start ive tried so much was coming up with ews so sent it back to get resyncd only codes showing was no pressure to rail switched the full engine loom to check that and had another r90 but untested so tried that but nothing
Have you got the regulator on the back of the HPP? Have you a spare one to try and have you checked the pins on it for a good connection?
@@KeepitBigBore yeah when I tried the new hpp it had another regulator on the back of it I've just bought a fuel rail with the two sensors going to buy a new regulator the one you've mentioned and also going to grab a loom from house of torque see if it's anything from the car loom stopping it from running will update in a few weeks
great video