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  • @stevenpierce7505
    @stevenpierce7505 Před 4 měsíci +18

    Shaft Everton and make them an example to deter an independent regulator . Then change the rules to allow Clubs to spend what they want! . City and Chelsea continue to laugh at the Premier League. Convince me there is not an agenda against Everton

  • @gary1642
    @gary1642 Před 4 měsíci +10

    Everton were deducted 10pts over loans for their new stadium. Man City and West Ham were both virtually given athletics stadiums at the taxpayers expense. Where's the Fairness Financially in Play?

    • @Metali-tin
      @Metali-tin Před 4 měsíci

      That's not true for City's stadium. The council are now in profit(around £30m and counting) on everything they paid. The majority of the construction cost was funded by Sport England(full cost ended up being £130m+ with them paying £97m of it). City paid the construction costs back to the council early via assets from main road plus cash, the rest has all been paid back and then some via the lease payments over the last 20 years. The London stadium project will never break even, it's even said to be costing more per year in upkeep, to the city of London than they receive in lease payments. I will give you the sums for the COMS in the next comment.

    • @Metali-tin
      @Metali-tin Před 4 měsíci

      Just the numbers - The council paid £33m construction + £22m conversion which is £55m total. City gave them £14m Maine Road, £6m funds, £14m in the 1st 8 years, £48m over the last 12 years which gives £82m(at least since there's a few extras). The difference between 55 and 82 is £27m.

    • @Metali-tin
      @Metali-tin Před 4 měsíci

      COMS facts - The council agreed to pay £33m for construction and £22m towards the conversion. City agreed to take a 250 year lease and pay £20m towards conversion(that isn't included in the above since that didn't go to the council but they still paid that and more in the end since costs overran), in order for the proposal to be approved by Sport England. Without City agreeing to that, it would have been a smaller temporary stadium, which would still cost £60m+. Which would have been a big waste, you can't say it wasn't better for Manchester and UK sport that City agreed to be tenants, the area has been transformed for the better and there are more plans to take it further. Technically, the council got back the construction costs early via funds(£6m) and assets transfers of Maine Road valued at £27m, but they ended up selling the whole site for £14m because they couldn't find a tenant(so ended up with £20m but not City's fault). This was in return for a managing lease which allowed City to keep revenues for none City events. The MEN in 2011 reported that MCFC had paid the Council £14m in lease payments over the first 8 years(£1.75m per season). 2011 is where terms were amended to allow for the Etihad campus plans and stadium expansion. The new terms were around £3m per year for the lease and a further £1m for the naming rights. From 011/12 to 2022/23 there were 12 seasons, times that by 4 and you get £48m. I could have used the full asset worth of the Main Road site but didn't even need to, that's how dead that 'tax payers money' narrative is. It ended up being win-win for the club, the council and Manchester as a whole. That's way more than United have ever done for the city of Manchester itself.

    • @gary1642
      @gary1642 Před 4 měsíci

      Sport England is funded by the UK government and the National lottery so the tax payer and the British public payed for its build. City leased a 35,000 seat stadium off the council. They paid 50% of ticket sales. That gave the council £2m a year. City in their kindness paid for the expansion to 55,000 seats, for a fee of £3m per year. That doesn't compare to building and paying for your own stadium. The winner here is City and the public the loser.

    • @Metali-tin
      @Metali-tin Před 4 měsíci

      Absolute nonsense Gary, almost everything you said there was incorrect. The majority of Sport England's funding comes from the National Lottery(£250m a year or more) and the council are already in profit. They didn't just build City a stadium as you make out either(laughable attempt) there was an event first, Sport England's sole purpose is to invest in sports and the common wealth games 2002 was a big success by all accounts(still the biggest CWGs they've ever done and it made an operating profit, which wasn't expected). So whether you're mature enough to admit it or not, it was money well spent, straight off the bat.

  • @John-is5xk
    @John-is5xk Před 4 měsíci +50

    Nice to hear him talk without being interrupted by Simon!

    • @seanbonella
      @seanbonella Před 4 měsíci

      sorry???? other way round

    • @Metali-tin
      @Metali-tin Před 4 měsíci

      Yep and look at the SimonStans trying to lie for him. Just because he tells them what every city hating/arab hating bigot wants to hear. What a state.

  • @hansfyhrqvist7734
    @hansfyhrqvist7734 Před 4 měsíci +9

    First the Premier League let Chelsea and Manchester City to grow and spend without any limits and restrictions. Then they punish Everton for a minor financial breach with a very disproportionate sporting sanction. That is a disgrace.
    The only way the Premier League can regain and maintain its integrity and respectability is for its Appeal Board to return Everton all those 10 points, after the ongoing hearings, and then making their decision. If there is any sense of justice and morality left, then the asterix will be removed.

    • @gary1642
      @gary1642 Před 4 měsíci

      Sadly that's not going to happen. The Premier League never admits its wrong. The best thing we can wish for is a few points taken from our punishment. The lack of transparency is the killer. Why 10pts? How did they come to that figure? The recent transfer window shows the health of Premier League club finances. Palace and West Ham the only clubs spending. All the others on the brink of breaking FFP rules, that's what they have us believe. How many of these clubs are over? They won't all be just on the right side of the rules. This lack of transparency and rules being open to interpretation are just how they govern football on the pitch. The laws of the game are now so complicated and open to interpretation that decisions can't be questioned properly. I have loved football all my life. I'm nearly 60 and always watched and or played all my life. I played at semi-pro level and now I don't know the laws of the game. Handball and offside could be explained to someone in seconds a few years back. Take Jarrod Braithwaite's goal versus Tottenham. Why was that allowed to stand? When the cross was played he was off. I know the ball came off a defender but I can give examples of that happening and the goal being ruled offside. Fabinho played the ball to Benzema in the Champions League final. That was offside. The laws of the game like FFP are a complete joke and obviously designed that way so the powers that be can get away with murder.

  • @Haakonisak
    @Haakonisak Před 4 měsíci +6

    I'm baffeled that none of the bigger news outlets are talking about WHO were in the "not so independent" panel in the first place. I really hope this panel was truly independent this time and not one controlled by PL to push their agenda.
    The press coverage have been almost one sided pushing the narrative that the club who have spendt 3rd from the bottom on player transfers the last 5 seasons are the big bad wolf. They are punishing Everton for trying to build up the club to be competitive by buiding a new stadium that is needed because of the state of Goodison Park. The only ones trying to look on it from Evertons perspective are Liverpool Echo.

  • @purehyperbole5727
    @purehyperbole5727 Před 4 měsíci +21

    The issue with FFP is how much bad information there is to educate the fans with. You have this guy who knows his stuff. Then you have Ally McCoist putting his ignorant opinion into the mix. You hear more of the latter than the former.

    • @Newcastle423
      @Newcastle423 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Ally's the only one on talksport that talks sense

    • @dereksmith6126
      @dereksmith6126 Před 4 měsíci +1

      I'm no expert but I've been saying this for a long while. Spurs fans have been howling for him to be gone for years. Why? Because he knew this was going to happen to clubs and he didn't let Spurs overspend. Now he's being proved that he actually knows what he's doing.

    • @purehyperbole5727
      @purehyperbole5727 Před 4 měsíci

      @@Newcastle423 I hear him laughing a lot. Not sure what at? I want to hear from players that played at the top of the game. He was essentially a National League player.

    • @Newcastle423
      @Newcastle423 Před 4 měsíci

      @@purehyperbole5727 he was world class player kid

    • @Mrdunnex
      @Mrdunnex Před 4 měsíci

      Stefan is also giving out bad information, he’s saying they only really argued a 10m breach well they didn’t, they argued player x who had a book value of 7.5m and wages of 4.5m was suspended by the FA unable to play and also unable to be sold, they refused to allow that to be deducted, the IC can refuse that mitigation but the appeals board panel can accept it, so literally everything will be getting talked through again, mitigating factors aren’t fact they’re just a matter of opinion, like the Ukraine war Everton couldn’t keep there Russian sponsors which would of actually kept them under the 105m loss, the IC deemed the Ukraine war something a business should expect and not rely on it, the appeals board can agree with Everton on that opinion, Stefan clearly knows what he’s talking about but he’s spun it in a negative for Everton when it’s still not the case

  • @marcusoreallly
    @marcusoreallly Před 4 měsíci +22

    Yeah FFP is absolutely outrageous. This cannot continue. It's only protecting 3-5 clubs.

    • @Adam-ui4ef
      @Adam-ui4ef Před 4 měsíci +15

      It allows smaller clubs to keep thier best players. Palace might be able to keep Olise and Eze as no on can afford them.
      With no FFP the league will turn into a pissing contest between Abdul and Ahmad

    • @GERBOY90
      @GERBOY90 Před 4 měsíci +6

      @@Adam-ui4efor players will run down their contracts and leave on a free or have to be sold at a cut price if they are in their last year

    • @blinkin78
      @blinkin78 Před 4 měsíci

      Except it’s not. Bigger clubs are murdering teams in lower divisions by clubs pushing up wages and transfer fees by paying stupid money

    • @stickywotsits
      @stickywotsits Před 4 měsíci

      @@Adam-ui4efyeah this window. It’s the absolute opposite, they’ll eventually have to sell them to comply with the rules if they want to sign anymore players.

    • @stevenhaas9622
      @stevenhaas9622 Před 4 měsíci

      @@stickywotsits only because they have overspent in the past.

  • @user-gq3ur2ts1g
    @user-gq3ur2ts1g Před 4 měsíci +4

    Everton are third from bottom on player spend out of 20 clubs in the prem dropping to second bottom in the last 3 years ,the reason they went over are 1 the stadium build,2 the loss of our major sponsor USM due to the Ukraine war and 3 not being able to move certain players on for any sort of money or in sigurdssons case none at all due to a court case that player alone cost £45 million or there about he walked for nothing,with evertons hands tied.the USM deal would have seen Everton collect £30m over £10 million more than our overspend ,lost due to a war that nobody could have foreseen,the new stadium build was essential due to the diminishing state of Goodison park,player spend which as you can see is minimal mean no sporting advantage was gained.
    Did Everton commit the worst crime in the history of the premiership, I don't think we did .6 teams could have brought down the prem and got a slap on the wrist would that crime not have been worse than Evertons.lbelieve this to be a witchhunt why I don't know but I do know that this is a total injustice that if continues will be the downfall of the prem,this prem committee cant make decisions without making mistakes,it seems bereft of footballing knowledge, they have proved this on many many occasions in the past, from not controlling agents fees to VAR and now this PSR fiasco, which blunts the prems spend power letting other leagues catch up to us as the best league in the world with the best players,if we continue on these lines the premiership place at the pinnacle will soon be short lived.£105m 10 years ago with todays inflation I'm sure you'll agree is not a great deal in terms of the prem 1centre midfield player .COYB

    • @pleasantville4529
      @pleasantville4529 Před 4 měsíci

      That's the concise version of a much more complex issue mate, well done for that.
      There are so many mitigating circumstances, that it is hard to understand how the panel came up with such a disproportionate punishment.

  • @leescott5326
    @leescott5326 Před 4 měsíci +3

    it's absolutely hilarious. the media usually pulling their plonkers at the rate of spend but now they've got absolutely nothing to report on except dead air space LOL

  • @Ishouldstudy69
    @Ishouldstudy69 Před 4 měsíci +13

    Manchester City’s former accountant. 😂😂

    • @mymemories925
      @mymemories925 Před 4 měsíci +3

      Should never be allowed on

    • @robertmclellan3658
      @robertmclellan3658 Před 4 měsíci +4

      He wasn’t the accountant, the world champions have the fifth biggest in the world firm of accountants who are regarded as the best in Europe.

    • @fool5910
      @fool5910 Před 4 měsíci

      Where is he wrong?

    • @phoenixrisin5848
      @phoenixrisin5848 Před 4 měsíci +3

      @@mymemories925
      Cry more, you'd love a team as good as theirs.

    • @onthekippaxsince75
      @onthekippaxsince75 Před 4 měsíci

      @@phoenixrisin5848everyone of these hypocritical bastards on here would love owners like ours that has helped to bring all this success. What isn’t common knowledge is the work and investment that has gone into the area of east Manchester that was once one of the most deprived areas in the country. They’ve regenerated the whole area, bringing in jobs for local people, they’ve even put a college on the site of the Etihad campus training complex called the Connell college named after the reverend of St Marks church in Gorton where the origin of the club began in 1880, it’s for the local kids, there’s more development going on now with a new entertainment arena going up adjacent to the stadium. The club has no debt. Do the premier league want to stop this and at the same time sanction the Glazers behaviour over the road where they borrow someone else’s money to purchase it, thus plunging it into immediate debt which is still around 1 bn, with 0 investment? It’s pathetic

  • @eltel4397
    @eltel4397 Před 4 měsíci +2

    This is the man so called FFP Expert in charge at Man City who been charged with 115 counts. Take what he says with pinch of salt

  • @DarthQueefious
    @DarthQueefious Před 4 měsíci +19

    Good to see Steffan increasingly getting the chance to educate people - including journalists who should know better - about football finances and ffp.

  • @MartinGreen932
    @MartinGreen932 Před 4 měsíci +5

    Absolute beaut this fella. No discussion on how the league continually briefed the press during the case, how the minutes for the meeting that decided on the bizarre 10 point deduction have `disappeared' and the fact that you get more points for a £20 million breach compared to financial meltdown/administration is utterly ludicrous.

  • @dereksmith6126
    @dereksmith6126 Před 4 měsíci +2

    The threshold is perfectly fine. The whole point of these rules is to bring hyperinflation down. Transfer fees and wages are ridiculous. These new rules should lower prices, and putting the thresholds up will do nothing.

    • @xNSHD
      @xNSHD Před 4 měsíci

      exactly if anything the "acceptable losses" should be reduced, what other business runs on a continuous loss and can carry on operating ad infinitum.

  • @frankford1115
    @frankford1115 Před 4 měsíci +5

    Please explain how City and Chelsea worked this. How can anyone not put their own money into a club? How did City get past all this over the last 10 years? How can any of this make any sense? Where do City get the ability to spend 50 million on a player who never gets a game? There is a0 limit; what is it? Turnover? How did City breakthrough suddenly and upgrade their players? It absolutely makes no sense? How is anything fair? Breach what sir? You explained nothing. Allowed to lose 105 million. What does that actually mean? It all sounds like an arbitrarily made mess that lawyers could argue for Ten years.

    • @fool5910
      @fool5910 Před 4 měsíci

      City broke through (just about) pre FFP

    • @stevenhaas9622
      @stevenhaas9622 Před 4 měsíci

      @@fool5910 not really they have been documented to have been cooking their books for the past decade. For example players and managers with official on the books contracts for a portion of their salary and 2nd off the books contracts for more. Chelsea have also recently admitted to illegal side payments to agents, players, etc. used to skirt ffp

  • @hexualdeviant
    @hexualdeviant Před 4 měsíci +21

    Have Man City be hit with a 900 point deduction yet?

    • @robertmclellan3658
      @robertmclellan3658 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Why when the treble winners are clearly completely innocent.

    • @mattthompson3714
      @mattthompson3714 Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@robertmclellan3658 Except UEFA proved otherwise! They fumbled the ball in City's case, probably intentionally

    • @fool5910
      @fool5910 Před 4 měsíci +1

      ​@@mattthompson3714 Except the Court of Arbitration for Sport overruled UEFA's case as unestablished innuendo

    • @Redman680
      @Redman680 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@fool5910Wrong. The decision was overturned because of the timescale in which the charges were brought. Don't make up stories when Google can be your friend. 🤡🤣

    • @robertmclellan3658
      @robertmclellan3658 Před 4 měsíci

      @@mattthompson3714 EUFA are a corrupt organisation and City were never going to lay down and be subjected to their kangaroo court and that’s why they went to CAS who completely exonerated them. The hapless Premier League has no evidence and is desperately seeking a way out of the mess they have got themselves into however it’s clear that the Champions are going to wipe the floor with them.

  • @johnriley7312
    @johnriley7312 Před 4 měsíci +24

    Guarantee in this up coming meeting if you ask all the Clubs if they wanted to scrap FFP they'll all say YES

    • @tevildo45
      @tevildo45 Před 4 měsíci +6

      Good reason for keeping it

    • @JG-us9lu
      @JG-us9lu Před 4 měsíci +2

      ​@@tevildo45 not really we need a proper independent regulator.

    • @Mark-99999
      @Mark-99999 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Then there be all hell breaking loose

    • @GERBOY90
      @GERBOY90 Před 4 měsíci

      Yeah, only teams like united should be allowed to blow hundreds of millions in useless players without repercussions

    • @Cropsy-yy9wg
      @Cropsy-yy9wg Před 4 měsíci +2

      utd, liverpool, spurs and arsenal will want to keep it as it stops teams challenging them.

  • @70tezskin
    @70tezskin Před 4 měsíci +1

    FFP and VAR ...The cancer inside the Premiership ..

  • @louisstone7525
    @louisstone7525 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I admire that TS has tried to do with this deadline day but the window is dead

  • @Chris-ye1ty
    @Chris-ye1ty Před 4 měsíci +1

    Did he advise Man City to break the rules 115 times?

  • @skacel7
    @skacel7 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Happy New Yuurr everyone.

  • @akerfeldt4068
    @akerfeldt4068 Před 4 měsíci +1

    What period was he working for City? During any of their potential breaches?

  • @docholiday-lm4vf
    @docholiday-lm4vf Před 4 měsíci +7

    Why have city slowed down spending? If they were not cheating all that time then they should still be splashing the cash

    • @environm3ntalist549
      @environm3ntalist549 Před 4 měsíci +3

      Why has every club slowed down spending?

    • @fool5910
      @fool5910 Před 4 měsíci +3

      We never spend big in January. Innocent until proven guilty

    • @GermanChickenwing
      @GermanChickenwing Před 4 měsíci

      You mean slowed down by having around 100m netspend in the past 3 seasons? Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool are they once doing catch up now

    • @potjhm1
      @potjhm1 Před 4 měsíci

      @@fool5910 MC are 100% guilty. A tin pot club with microscopic fanbase cannot earn more than RMadrid.

    • @jefri4176
      @jefri4176 Před 4 měsíci

      City slow down? Have you been watching football? They bought haaland and doku in summer.

  • @trident8480
    @trident8480 Před 4 měsíci +2

    funny he called city and Newcastle ownership a different view rather than a country owning a club

    • @xNSHD
      @xNSHD Před 4 měsíci

      thats because people are scared to call out these people for what they really are. heads of state who are only in sport to try and clean their image.

  • @AMC1878-
    @AMC1878- Před 4 měsíci +6

    Coming from someone who was an advisor to a club who have 115 potential breaches

    • @lilbaz8073
      @lilbaz8073 Před 4 měsíci +1

      When was he advisor to city?

    • @AMC1878-
      @AMC1878- Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@lilbaz8073 he says it in his intro in the first 10 seconds

    • @lilbaz8073
      @lilbaz8073 Před 4 měsíci

      @@AMC1878- no but "when" was he advisor to city? If it was before the sheiks took over then the breaches have nothing to do with him.

    • @edburns2218
      @edburns2218 Před 4 měsíci

      He was there to do the deal for shinawatra taking over. Not with the current regime

    • @lilbaz8073
      @lilbaz8073 Před 4 měsíci

      @@edburns2218 cheers. I wasn't sure.

  • @adriandreghorn8533
    @adriandreghorn8533 Před 4 měsíci +9

    Theirs only a few teams that have spent serious money, Chelsea City arsenal Newcastle man United. If Everton gets 10 points deducted. For £20 million. Then city are screwed for hundreds of millions not billions over peps managerial time .Liverpool don't have to worry about this .because they live within their means .

    • @russellward4624
      @russellward4624 Před 4 měsíci +1

      It's not 20m

    • @timh1146
      @timh1146 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@russellward4624 it’s under £20mil, fact. Check your resources of information.

    • @robertmclellan3658
      @robertmclellan3658 Před 4 měsíci +4

      Liverpool live within their means? Is that serial match fixing Liverpool?

    • @R0otsman20
      @R0otsman20 Před 4 měsíci

      @@russellward4624that’s right - it’s 19 million

    • @russellward4624
      @russellward4624 Před 4 měsíci

      @@R0otsman20 it's 20m after all the deductions. They lost way more than 20m and despite all the deductions still failed. And the mislead the commission.

  • @dootwoot
    @dootwoot Před 4 měsíci +2

    I thought I was watching sky there for a minute 😂

  • @thedean4431
    @thedean4431 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Very happy what he said about city jim hated it err ok a break now

  • @djadriandevine
    @djadriandevine Před 4 měsíci +1

    You would swear he knows what he is talking about?

  • @dylanparker130
    @dylanparker130 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Same guy who thinks his former-employer City have done nothing wrong thinks Everton should have the book thrown at them. When Everton secured the funding which would have brought them within FFP limits, they were forced to decline Usmanov's money due to the Ukraine-Russia conflict. Everton can't afford to delay construction - materials are only getting more expensive. This isn't what FFP was designed for - it's not an on-field advantage.

  • @christophersmith9838
    @christophersmith9838 Před 4 měsíci

    Excellent explanation Let’s see MC 115

  • @PeterWilliams-kb1yn
    @PeterWilliams-kb1yn Před 4 měsíci

    Just don’t understand why there is simply not just a financial fine & transfer ban period .
    Points deduction should only come in after a certain threshold of proven breaches

  • @Redballoon99
    @Redballoon99 Před 4 měsíci +1

    One side does fit all
    IT DOESNT MATTER WHO OWNS THE CLUB - u can only buy and spend what a club earns
    The rest is irrelevant

  • @harveyfuqua6633
    @harveyfuqua6633 Před 4 měsíci

    "Their spending was unusual, to put it politely"

  • @johnburns4017
    @johnburns4017 Před 4 měsíci

    Keith Wyness ex CEO of Aston Vila, Everton others, said it is all or nothing. Either the 10 points stay or they are all removed. No reduction of points.

  • @ssp775
    @ssp775 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Business has destroyed the sport I love.

    • @stevenhaas9622
      @stevenhaas9622 Před 4 měsíci

      I hate to break it to you but it's always been a business

    • @vivaart75
      @vivaart75 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@stevenhaas9622 a dirty business more like

  • @JG-us9lu
    @JG-us9lu Před 4 měsíci

    So all clubs have been pushing the boundaries.

  • @christopheredwards9751
    @christopheredwards9751 Před 4 měsíci

    This guy is wrong. Although Everton accepted that there had to be a sanction , they argued that it should be a financial one. Commission accepted that Everton had not gained any sporting advantage . But Commission refused to apply financial sanction as they said Everton had a wealthy owner. And then they applied a sporting sanction!

  • @dereksmith6126
    @dereksmith6126 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Who thinks Daniel Levy is the smartest chairman in the Premier League?

  • @c00sto
    @c00sto Před 4 měsíci

    Honestly think with this FFP stuff they should just abandon the windows

  • @wEstEgg8899
    @wEstEgg8899 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Please stop talking to this city fan about Everton because he doesn't actually know the facts.

  • @ozjob
    @ozjob Před 4 měsíci +3

    A Man City adviser 😂. How many charges?
    So most clubs know they are breaking the rules, so they have stopped spending.
    So question is one are they taking on two teams and not others!!
    Also Everton have been told they aren’t allowed to brief. But premier league have briefed the media.
    Everton losing a significant sponsor due to the war in Ukraine, isn’t a factor. Think an expert is really an expert

    • @PredHunter83
      @PredHunter83 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Sure…
      Wanna be expert

    • @ozjob
      @ozjob Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@PredHunter83 you are welcome. The blatant and unfair attacks on specific clubs while they ignore the big boys is disgusting. Chelsea haven’t broken ffp? Seriously, you have to be a mug to believe that

  • @timdurgan
    @timdurgan Před 4 měsíci

    Former financial advisor to City? So, directly involved in their 115 charges?

  • @tonyb9560
    @tonyb9560 Před 4 měsíci +4

    City cooking the books for 15 years. Wheres the teeth? In Everton .

  • @andym.6141
    @andym.6141 Před 4 měsíci +1

    FFP rules were never fit for purpose.

    • @lilbaz8073
      @lilbaz8073 Před 4 měsíci

      Seem to be working now. Teams getting charged for breaches. If found guilty will be punished.

  • @BritishRosie-es3zr
    @BritishRosie-es3zr Před 4 měsíci +10

    Financial Fair Play - City and Chelsea spend a billion on players, Forest get in trouble for delaying the sale of a £45m player to ensure maximum profit and Everton try to increase revenue with a new stadium and get in trouble.
    Marinakis at Forest is worth £2.5Bn - sustainability? He has enough to buy 5 other PL teams! The whole thing is a nonsense to preserve the cartel.

    • @kattphatt
      @kattphatt Před 4 měsíci +1

      Yet when City fans were spouting this to the public a few years ago it was "Oil money just wants to buy everyone". Newcastle voted for FFP, majority of the league voted for this lol. It's funny hearing you say this honestly, you were there during that time... O are you a new PL fan? Coz the only thing that makes sense is if you don't know why we even voted it in.

    • @GermanChickenwing
      @GermanChickenwing Před 4 měsíci

      Chelsea and City can spend thats the differece

    • @lilbaz8073
      @lilbaz8073 Před 4 měsíci

      City and chelsea were the only teams in the prem to vote against ffp being introduced. City have been charged. Chelsea will be (they alreadyadmitted guilty).
      Forest knew the cut off date. So purposefully broke the rules.
      Stadium has nothing to do with ffp. Everton tried to say that some of the money they spent on players was actually spent on the stadium. The tribunal found out that they lied about that. They even admitted it.

  • @jackyoung7097
    @jackyoung7097 Před 4 měsíci

    How does the owners putting equity in solve Arsenals FFP? That would be debit cash credit capital contribution on the balance sheet. It wouldn’t do anything for the PnL. FFP is about losses, nothing to do with equity.

  • @gavmed2
    @gavmed2 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Coming from a ex city employee hmmm

  • @Lewis88-wr6sm
    @Lewis88-wr6sm Před 4 měsíci

    The threshold of £105mil I agree does need to be increased because football finances have changed drastically since FFP was introduced.

    • @lilbaz8073
      @lilbaz8073 Před 4 měsíci

      No it shouldn't. Clubs should live within their means.

  • @DarthQueefious
    @DarthQueefious Před 4 měsíci +7

    In an age of 50m average fees and high wages - due to high global demand - 105m over 3 years (if you have an owner rich enough to fund it) is a straitjacket, esp for the smaller clubs

    • @Redballoon99
      @Redballoon99 Před 4 měsíci +1

      No - the average cost drops - THATS HOW ECONOMICS WORKS

    • @Redballoon99
      @Redballoon99 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Clubs only being allowed to spend WHAT THEY EARN - is not a straight jacket - it’s a safety net to protect them

  • @kevingill648
    @kevingill648 Před 4 měsíci +2

    One rule for some and another rule for others! yours truly The Corrupt Premier League.

  • @whoknows6302
    @whoknows6302 Před 4 měsíci

    By the sound of it we wont get any points back and will probably end up losing more with the other breach 😔

  • @michaelhogarth5462
    @michaelhogarth5462 Před 4 měsíci +2

    FFP isn’t just ruining the window, it’s going to weaken the premier ! Top players will no longer come here because the clubs won’t be able to buy them and will end up in Saudi ! Or other leagues making them stronger !

  • @EdStan35
    @EdStan35 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Chopping Everton points was stupid nevertheless.

  • @Veyron1967
    @Veyron1967 Před 4 měsíci

    This guy has got some epic lugs. I bet he could hear a fly fart in the building over the road.

  • @james9789
    @james9789 Před 4 měsíci

    When they start to mention the Everton example (debacle) they have a sheepish giggle ,says it all to me.

  • @xNSHD
    @xNSHD Před 4 měsíci

    they shouldnt be allowed to lose a penny. what other business can operate basically on a consistant loss yet still be running. its silly, the amount doesn't need increasing it needs decreasing and all clubs need to start spending within there means.

  • @jamiewilliams6529
    @jamiewilliams6529 Před 4 měsíci +1

    You don't have to be an expert to work that out

  • @SuperCityMCFC
    @SuperCityMCFC Před 4 měsíci +11

    When the penny drops City are innocent and they have nothing....we will be here 🔥

    • @denisjeux1020
      @denisjeux1020 Před 4 měsíci +4

      😂😂 kidding yourself

    • @SuperCityMCFC
      @SuperCityMCFC Před 4 měsíci +3

      @@denisjeux1020 Yeah like UEFA CAS 👍

    • @Redman680
      @Redman680 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@SuperCityMCFCYou're obviously delusional. Citeh were found guilty & only won their appeal on a timescale of charges defence. 🤡🤡

  • @tvgcmma9215
    @tvgcmma9215 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Clubs shouldn’t be allowed to lose more money - it’s not happened to a prem club yet but lower down the league we see clubs not able to pay bills due to debt they’ve built up yet people wanted clubs to be able lose more money so transfer deadline day we get loads of transfer and players get silly wages - psr will make clubs pay less for players and wages and eventually will go back to normal amount of transfers just won’t be spending 50-80 mill in average players be back to 30

  • @yt.personal.identification
    @yt.personal.identification Před 4 měsíci

    Shut the barn after the horse has bolted

  • @70tezskin
    @70tezskin Před 4 měsíci +1

    FFP and VAR ..They entire way football is been run by the heiarchy .Will kill the Premier league. Our once greater game has been ruined by rules and regulations.
    The Everton debarcle will affect every Premiership team eventually
    Sad times for football and football fans ..

  • @phoenixrisin5848
    @phoenixrisin5848 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Wish they'd been successful with their breakaway league.

  • @robertbrown6060
    @robertbrown6060 Před 4 měsíci +1

    The rules have teeth do they? I’ll only believe that when Man City are dealt with.

  • @jamesmcdaid6124
    @jamesmcdaid6124 Před 4 měsíci

    115 rules city and he don't speak about city

  • @Redballoon99
    @Redballoon99 Před 4 měsíci

    Caused some touch of responsibility
    Too bad city have not been relegated yet

  • @leonwilks4114
    @leonwilks4114 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Could listen to steffan all day

  • @simonroberts5882
    @simonroberts5882 Před 4 měsíci +2

    The premier league is dying!☠️

  • @ak-0151
    @ak-0151 Před 4 měsíci

    I’m a Liverpool fan and it’s a joke that the blue shite have been deducted points when Man City and Chelsea have been breaking the rules for years

  • @boxingcaiden9323
    @boxingcaiden9323 Před 4 měsíci

    Still at it

  • @vaultmarketplaceltd1901
    @vaultmarketplaceltd1901 Před 4 měsíci +5

    3 years time it will all be out the window.. pin this tweet, city will bust case and pay a huge fine other clubs will kick off super league starts and fa will panic.. no more FFP

    • @robertmclellan3658
      @robertmclellan3658 Před 4 měsíci +2

      City won’t pay anything, you don’t need the brains of a Archbishop to see they are completely innocent.

    • @potjhm1
      @potjhm1 Před 4 měsíci

      Other 19 clubs will vote to expel MC for 10yrs of cheating.

  • @paulholman8594
    @paulholman8594 Před 4 měsíci

    Only because they choose to enforce them when government regulators are looking in and waiting to move in

  • @MrBruh-fz8or
    @MrBruh-fz8or Před 4 měsíci

    FFP should be removed along with PSR

  • @GerardOhara-cc8xy
    @GerardOhara-cc8xy Před 4 měsíci

    Is he for real arsenal,Chelsea and have been breaching for years and probably 90%of the premier league have

  • @denisjeux1020
    @denisjeux1020 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Man city need to be punished then

  • @Mick4
    @Mick4 Před 4 měsíci

    We’ll get 7 back don’t worry

  • @euanscotland
    @euanscotland Před 4 měsíci

    We should just go back to the 3 jonny foreigner rule, now we are not in the EU. Shouldn't be a problem.

    • @MIP0710
      @MIP0710 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Back to shitty football then 🤔

  • @magicaces13
    @magicaces13 Před 4 měsíci

    oh no the prem clubs couldnt spend another billion on football players.....how terrible

  • @gwheregwhizz
    @gwheregwhizz Před 4 měsíci +2

    If everyone is forced to spend less and less on transfers and wages as a percentage of their revenue, that increases the profit available to distribute to the owners and increases the value of the 'franchise' significantly. The likes of the Glazers love PSR.

    • @lilbaz8073
      @lilbaz8073 Před 4 měsíci +1

      The only club to have made an overall profit in the last 5 years is spurs.
      Clubs shouldn't bereliant on their owners goodwill to survive. Because if thatgoodwill or money runs out. They are in trouble.

  • @Simon_Nguyen
    @Simon_Nguyen Před 4 měsíci

    Ruined the game alongside VAR.

  • @shaunlowndes
    @shaunlowndes Před 4 měsíci +1

    Errr ummmm errr,can I mention the elephant in the room?Man City.If the rules have teeth then they are screwed😂

  • @multipl3
    @multipl3 Před 4 měsíci +3

    No teeth when it comes to City or Chelsea 😂😂

  • @davidalderson189
    @davidalderson189 Před 4 měsíci +7

    Turned it off after 20 seconds. The title said the discussion included “the rules have teeth”. And the person they introduced was a former financial advisor to Manchester City and FINANCIAL FAIR PLAY😂. What a mess. Not a shred of credibility.
    Who’s the next guest. Assad to discuss human rights?

    • @alexxander3791
      @alexxander3791 Před 4 měsíci +7

      Such a dumb comment from you mate. He was a financial adviser for City until 2007, which is before Sheikh Mansour took over. Has no ties whatsoever with City now. And by teams not spending now and being careful shows that indeed the rules have teeth.

    • @FrankieBlueEyes
      @FrankieBlueEyes Před 4 měsíci +5

      Your comment has no credibility. 😂

    • @russellward4624
      @russellward4624 Před 4 měsíci +4

      The fact he's been right every time the last 7 years says his opinions are very credible.

    • @davidalderson189
      @davidalderson189 Před 4 měsíci

      The man is allowed to work on TV nothing against him. I feel you may have missed my point. It may not have been the best person to bring on to make this kind of argument, considering the lay of this land.
      “The rules have teeth” is a dumb argument, just my own opinion.

    • @russellward4624
      @russellward4624 Před 4 měsíci

      @@davidalderson189 that's not an argument it's an observation. The PL hasn't made any attempts to sanction for FFP until now. Nobody expected them to hand such a strong punishment.

  • @Battismore-Blue
    @Battismore-Blue Před 4 měsíci

    Jim seems a bit lost listening to this bloke , he hasn`t got Simon Jordan butting in all the time

  • @coopz1969
    @coopz1969 Před 4 měsíci +8

    If they had real teeth they'd of stung man City and Chelsea instead of stalling punishing them

    • @russellward4624
      @russellward4624 Před 4 měsíci +3

      Can't punish someone if you can't prove they've done anything wrong.

    • @mymemories925
      @mymemories925 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@russellward4624 do you reside in abu dhabi? There financial might may save you from acts of crime and financial fraud? Here in Britain with all the time invested by the Premier league and independent panel has alot of charges to work with? There will be some form of punishment? That is nailed on

    • @Cropsy-yy9wg
      @Cropsy-yy9wg Před 4 měsíci

      Utd, Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal pressured the PL to bring in these rules that are punishing your club, City voted against them and yet you are blaming City? Do you have any comprehensive thinking capabilities at all? The red top clubs and Spurs are laughing at you. You have seen no evidence about City yet you think them automatically guilty of the same rules others tell you you are guilty of, simply spending you own money which you can afford. The old sky "big 4" have you in the palm of their hand.

  • @kenfawcett4565
    @kenfawcett4565 Před 4 měsíci

    The rules have to have teeth, we're was the teeth when 6 clubs was going to destroy the very fabric of English football with the super league, 3 million fine each , was this ever paid ? Teeth my ass

  • @tomcrown9546
    @tomcrown9546 Před 4 měsíci

    This guy is far too clever for the talksport…think Jim realises he’s mustard but suspect the “talksport (red 3) hierarchy” will soon bin him off.

  • @Levon_Hill
    @Levon_Hill Před 4 měsíci

    😅

  • @pauldawson7776
    @pauldawson7776 Před 4 měsíci

    Well done premier league you are destroying your brand

  • @honeygaur7279
    @honeygaur7279 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Fa will ruin the league.

    • @holytrinity955
      @holytrinity955 Před 4 měsíci

      The FA don't run the league!

    • @honeygaur7279
      @honeygaur7279 Před 4 měsíci

      @@holytrinity955 than why it's trying to govern it.

    • @holytrinity955
      @holytrinity955 Před 4 měsíci

      @@honeygaur7279 The FA is the football association. The Pl run the Pl.Jeez

  • @ScottishGeordie87
    @ScottishGeordie87 Před 4 měsíci

    Teeth for who??

  • @tommymcculloch8788
    @tommymcculloch8788 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Wtf man city should be playing against Wrexham next year. Give Liverpool justice 😊😊😊

    • @robertmclellan3658
      @robertmclellan3658 Před 4 měsíci +5

      Liverpool? Liverpool the serial match fixing convicted cheats?

    • @tevildo45
      @tevildo45 Před 4 měsíci

      Strip man cheaty of the titles, Liverpool are the only honest club and I’m a Man U fan

  • @darrennsamwalker6948
    @darrennsamwalker6948 Před 4 měsíci

    Break the rules, pay the price. Why all the crying from everton??.

  • @GD-yn7ev
    @GD-yn7ev Před 4 měsíci

    Jim doing his fake laugh again

  • @TabsT-vy5jy
    @TabsT-vy5jy Před 4 měsíci

    Onky has teeth for whi they want to bite. Man city has no punishment, chelsea can spend a billion just to get rid of russian owner abramovich.

  • @mymemories925
    @mymemories925 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Cant listen to this stefan a city fan justifying his own clubs inflated sponsorships and sportswashing for a decade

    • @robertmclellan3658
      @robertmclellan3658 Před 4 měsíci +4

      More bitter and jealous nonsense from soft lad.

    • @georgeyboy5256
      @georgeyboy5256 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Literally said nothing about City so more fool you.

  • @thedean4431
    @thedean4431 Před 4 měsíci

    So what the prem wants is city gone chelsea gone no players bought and the superstars gone. Start with klopp then pep so no world class managers . Kdb soon. Haaland. Sala. . So no world class players . The super league is revving up soon chelsea and then city be very careful what you wish for

  • @Cropsy-yy9wg
    @Cropsy-yy9wg Před 4 měsíci +4

    Utd, Liverpool. Spurs and Arsenal fans all pretending they feel sorry for Everton and Forest when it's their clubs who have forced the PL in to these rules to stop others from challenging them. Two faced horrible clubs. If Everton and Forest were challenging them for trophies or CL places they would be spitting fire wanting them relegated.

  • @andrewbanks585
    @andrewbanks585 Před 4 měsíci

    The sport is being ruined by these muppets running the Premier league

  • @raindancer80
    @raindancer80 Před 4 měsíci

    They will change FFP a lot because agents and others will not be happy with so little business being done. It is harder for dodgy chancers to get rich now, and that is why it will change.

    • @lilbaz8073
      @lilbaz8073 Před 4 měsíci +1

      It's the 20 owners of the clubs that will decide the rules.
      Doubt they will really care that agents are losing out.

    • @raindancer80
      @raindancer80 Před 4 měsíci

      @lilbaz8073 It's not only agents that make money from transfers. Son's and nephews et al, moving money from one business to another tax efficiently. No one will want the lack of activity in January to continue. At the very least a raise in the threshold as mentioned here is a near certainty.

    • @lilbaz8073
      @lilbaz8073 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@raindancer80 then why did clubs in every league in europe vote to bring in ffp?
      The prem are meeting in a few days to make the ffp rules tougher, not get rid of them. They will be brought more in line with uefas new spending rules. Clubs limited to spending 70% of turnover on players and agents.
      So all evidence suggests you are wide of the mark on this one. Sorry mate.

    • @raindancer80
      @raindancer80 Před 4 měsíci

      @@lilbaz8073 Just checking where I said they would 'get rid of them'... oh, nowhere. That's you putting words in my mouth. We shall see. Perhaps they will get tougher, but I don't think so.