Why Did Games Workshop Discontinue their Best Kit?
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The best kit GW have ever done was the Empire Free Company kit. 20 humans for Warhammer Fantasy that could be used for practically anything. Basic infantry, conversions, other games systems, the utility of the kit was almost endless. I almost cried when it was taken out of production, especially as I had planned a large army project using that kit as the basis for the infantry.
Yes.
You mean the Mordheim warband kit. Very salty i can't get it anymore
@@kaneyoung7439 The Mordheim mercs had a few extra bits but it was the same basic kit. And yes, I am still salty that I can't get it anymore. Sure, the Necromunda Hive Scum takes the edge off but I want generic humans, damn it!
At least the Flaggelants kit is still around, that is a great kit for bits and pieces!
yes! agreed!
The Space Marine Captain, multi part model set was my favourite box they had. Not because it was a super high quality sculpt or anything, but just joy of building your own unique space marine captain and you'd see other guys who built theirs differently. Even if it was just a different gun, head, or melee weapon. That kit really gave the feeling of; this is your hobby, build what you like. Although I like a lot of the mono pose minis' they've produced, they can never match the beauty of a multi part hero set.
It's a close second for me.
New aegis defense line was spotted in the recent previews. It also has new rules from the leaked codex.
But high odds are it won't be anything like as modular as to let weapon swaps between kits go on.
@@Retrosicotte Why? GW made great job with modular terrain for Kill Team and Necromunda, especially recently with Gallowdark. As far as GW Terrain kits go I have high hopes.
nostalgia is definitely the main factor imo, i remember the pre-third ed days when pretty much all terrain was custom built from scratch, i hated it when they started standardising the terrain and only using kits you could buy from them. it made every battle field feel identical and limited aspirations to one single aesthetic. i really miss the days of purely scratch built terrain!
True but you did have all that cardboard stuff that used the Necromunda plastic things like the Imperial Firebase or the Imperial Guard Command Tower so it wasn't all scratch built stuff
Remember when the rule books came with detailed instructions on how to make cardboard scenery?
@@nakenmil and White Dwarf
100% the best book I ever bought at GW was 'How to make wargames terrain' published in 2003! Back then white dwarf was full of real hobby tips... not just pushing product!
One thing you didn't mention is that the gun that came with the set made a wonderful kitbash into a hydra on the top of a chimera (before there was an official release).
Also you could use them as autocannon arms for a rifleman Dreadnought.
It feels like almost everything pre age of signar was way better in terms of value and stuff than what we have now say for a few starter boxes.
I personally miss the jungle tree set. It was a wonderful piece of kit and you could use it either by itself or place the trees on a large base for a forest.
I miss the old Gothic Ruins too. If they redid them and the old trees I'd be a happy little Grot
@@Del_S Are you talking about the L7 kits that came in the 3rd edition starter box? When 4th was coming in my local store started selling its massive overstock of 3rd ed start sets for $25 each. I bought 3. 30 marines and 3 speeders formed the start my Dark Angels, 60 Dark Eldar Warriors started my DE, and I had almost a table worth of ruins.
@@matts1166 That's them. Sounds like you scored a bargain and a half back in the day :D
Jay….it’s your personality and humor that makes your videos so great..laying in bed with a horrible headache and feeling like junk, that look and hold after “I’m just kidding…” Gold, baby, gold. Thank you so much for your channel! -Furb-
"I already know what it tastes like"
Also not feeling well and taking my mind off things
I can't get behind this episode.... the GW glory days were when they published 'how to make wargames terrain' (2003)
White dwarf was full of conversions, kitbashes, and tutorials on home-made terrain!
Ork armies that were 80% tonka truck and using orange bags to get scale texture on the 'brand new' wave serpent!
The kits you described heralded the end of these times and the dawn of an age where GW abandoned hobby to sell product!
Not to mention that everything was on the GW website, that thing was awesome in the day. I used to visit it religeously becouse of what you describe.
Not only that but campaign journals by the staff. It was an awesome resource and I miss it.
@@grumbeard Wonder what really started the slow death of GW some time around 2010? Is it a generational thing? Cultural thing? The internet, potentially related to both of the others?
@@IamtheWV17 I don't think it is the internet becouse we were using it quite a lot in the early and mid 2000's. Again the GW site at the time was absolutely phenomenal. It is probably a cultural thing. They had a good system, a good vibe and nice models. They should have expanded the flavor of the game more, kept the armies about the size when they were in 6th edition. Show what can be done with the models more and more. Interesting campaigns to do with them. Instead they went reverse. They went full on high fantasy with HUGE blocks of models. It is not so much the people I think as it is the culture of GW rotted.
Ork battleforce is what brought me into tabletop. Just 2 boxes and there you have a 1000 pts army, the value was so good.
As a kid I always saved up for the 50£ one
jesus, amazing paint job. You make it look so accessible. Thank you
The terrain is nice, but the problem I found was a lot of it was made in China and you could tell the difference in the quality,my T'au tidewall was an absolute nightmare to assemble and filing stuff pretty much ruined a couple of files.
Oh my God, that stencil recommendation is EXACTLY what I've been looking for. Thanks bro
One of the Australian White Dwarfs around 3rd/4th ed 40k time (when we still had region specific printed White Dwarfs with common articles then region specific articles) had a small pic for one of the stores where one of the staff (dark skinned fellow, I believe his name was Bryan, though might be wrong there on the name) had drunk a pot of goblin green paint to prove that they were non toxic - the pic was him sticking a perfectly green painted tongue out at the camera.
So, you're definitely not the only person who has tasted GW's paints...
I wish GW terrain was affordable and more abundant. You’re right 20$ for a shipping container is crazy!!! GW does make some really good models. We should petition for a US GW plant (again) it might drop the price! (I doubt it). Fantastic work as always!! Thanks gents!!!
Although I understand the problems and implications, it makes me sad that GW won't just buy a few 3d printers and start cranking out terrain cheap. That shipping container set could be made for 2 pound and sold for 10-15 easily.
@@optimchs1 and it would suck. plastic terrain is way nicer than printed.
@@jamescretchley9949 yeah, absolutely true
@@jamescretchley9949 Someone thinks printing hasn't advanced since 2016.
@@stevenschnepp576 dude i own a printer. yeah it's a mars 2, it's not super up to date but i know that i'll take my collection of plastic Eightpoints ruins and sector mechanicus over the stuff i've run off the mars.
I am from an era when we didn´t buy terrain, we made it ! There are a lot of tutorials to scratch build terrain !! Save the money for models ;)
There’s a new Aegis coming out. It’s got new rules and no gun. It’s in the Guard codex and visible on some warhammer community pictures. I’ve got one unpainted from about 2012.
...paint it, you now know how to do it 🙂
I love that the Night Runners kit and the Rat Ogors, Packmasters and Giant Rat kits still give you the OG models for a Skaven Mordheim Warband.
6:00 Dude you had me dieing from you just giving me a blank stare towards the camera
I remember this thing, but for very different reasons than you might. It wasn't just cool terrain, but it was a Band-Aid solution that you were _obligated_ to run if you wanted to stand a chance with a non-modern codex.
Fun (or really dumb, but fun in retrospect) fact is that, back in the day, you could actually purchase this terrain with points and use it. Including the gun. And OH BOY, you _had_ to do this in early 6th. (Unless you were Tyranids and were literally specifically barred from using the Aegis Defense Line's gun by the core rules. ...It was a _rough_ time to be a bug, and it was about to get much worse...) Back when Flyers were really hard to come by, a way to reliably hit Flyers without needing a 6 to hit (and you thought -2 to hit was bad...) was huge. Though Skyfire existed as a universal special rule that granted this ability, basically nothing had it at the time, meaning there was an _INSURMOUNTABLE_ gulf between armies that could fly and armies that couldn't. This was arguably the worst imbalance in the history of the game. Cue Necrons showing up with a baker's dozen "Croissants" and basically being unstoppable due to how Flyers worked at the time. The Croissant-wing was what unseated the legendarily unbalanced 5th edition Grey Knights! Though, to be fair, the removal of 5th edition's hilariously busted wound allocation helped. Unfortunately, it was replaced with 6th edition's wound allocation, which was hilariously busted for different reasons...
40k history is fun, isn't it?
The Necron fortification (Convergence of the dominion) looks sick! It has rules but I too don't really care, I've been wanting to use it just for terrain.
To my shame and small fortune I have 2 aegis defense lines, 2 bastions, 3 sets of trench lines, 3 sets of the trench guns emplacment things, 2 bunkers,4 vengeance weapon batteries, Plasma Obliterator, 1 Fortress of Redemption, 1 Firestorm Redoubt, and 1 Aquila Strongpoint. I think thats everything not including all the forgeworld stuff... I have a problem
omg i did paint 6 sets of this walls back in the days. Black undercoat, Military green (spraycan) as color, drybrush in lighter green. finsihed with a glace mixed with black, red and brown wall paint.
Your FLGS picture had me rolling 😆
Very slightly off-topic, but it's extremely upsetting to me that the sector imperialis terrain, the super great, super MODULAR recent sets of terrain got discontinued almost immediately, and we have had no real replacement either.
The Aegis defense line was also used to kitbash twin auto cannons for space marine dreadnoughts. The auto cannons were never made into plastic oddly yet the rules for them remained. Briefly was a forgeworld option.
Hello eons, do you think that you could make a tutorial video on how to make our own Agrax-like Shades at home ? As a beginner, after running trough the small bottle, i went to buy another one and was shocked by the price tag for something so essential that goes away so quickly with terrain.
Thanks!
Use the recipe for nuln oil in this vid, but with a lot of brown and maybe one drop of black. Experiment around til you find what you like the look of. Acrylic artist inks are a bit more expensive but the bottles last a lot longer, or you could use Vallejo game inks and thin them out
Pure perfection! The Imperial Bunker is also very good and simple piece of terrain.
Bunker was more expensive =( Aegis was the cheapest 'fortification' and the most universal.
I have all the old terrain you showed! It's all pretty good. There were the trenches too you could combine to it all.
They have a new set coming out in future. It has been made part of the imperial guard codex
RIP to the Realm of Battle gaming table boards as well. Never got a chance to buy a set before they were discontinued and got very expensive on the secondary market.
GW probably will eventually get around to making some wacky form of replacement, probably more modular. kinda like the kill team into the dark terrain
thats what i hope for anyway
You might be right. czcams.com/video/vPo-DnrMUlM/video.html
They've already done it. People spotted new aegis defense line in the recent guard previews and it has new rules in the codex.
@@TheMagicalWizardPyro rad, imma get me a few of those.
nothing beats the terrain that came with battle for maccrage back in 4th edition
Managed to score the box with terrain still on the sprue for about 30 buck, still the best deal ive ever gotten out of GW
Ahhh the classics
recently managed to track down an aegis line for a horus heresy army - perfect for additional vox's etc for solar auxilia armies. Just need to make some casting molds.
I just bought the Octarius Killzone, Big Mek's Workshop, the cargo containers and tractors (I now have 7 tractors), the Necromunda Underhive Market and soon I'll grab the boss bunka.
Then I'll need a box of squigs for a Squig pen and an extra Squig buggy for that crate of squigs to use as a BBQ pit.
Till recently I would say Gellerpox, but right now it would be Ork Boyz when they came in 16-pack and with separate shootas. Sure, there were no options for nob or even anything other than basic weapons, but it still was great kit.
"I wonder what it tastes like?"
"Just kidding, I already know what it tastes like"
*Stares to infinity to assert dominance* 🤣
This is one of my favorite videos of yours. I never did terrain and don't plan on making any soon but the jokes just landed so well.
Just bought a few stencils with the coupon code! Thanks!
With Christmas coming up i was just a bout to buy this. Luckily I have eons of battle to cheer me up.
Jeez. All the talk of nostalgia in this makes me feel old. I started collecting in 1989. Most of the stuff described as nostalgic here is what I'd call new and over priced. :D
My intro game about 8 years ago featured these for terrain
The issue is that you could buy 2 sets of these and make a good feeling board with just those and sine random scraps.
GW wants each boards terrain to average $150 according to those leaked memos. So these had to go.
And that also explained the $20 unpainted 4-inch plastic boxes they push now
Would love if you could get your hands on some of the old blow-mold trenchese/tank emplacements or even the intensely rare hardfoam stuff.
That intro was legendary man thank you
I didn't any of that terrain but for the landing pad but I do have 2x of those Aegis wall sets ☺. I planned to use the gun emplacement as a Hydra gun mount but then the Hydra came out ☺
Where do you get those one ounce cups!?
the guard 5 man kit that cost about 4 quid will be missed
You are the most charismatic wh40k guy on youtube in my personal opinion.
Empire free company kits were amazing, but the best was during the eye of terror campaign, you could buy "cultists" in kits. it was like enough parts from like 5 orks, 5 imperial guard, and bulk chaos culty dudes. it was like a whole bitz box, and they were 15 bucks or something at my local store at the time. jeeeeeeeez. made like 15/20 dudes; it was like 100 heads, all the arms you could think of, chains, emblems, mutations, weapons.
The aegis defense line was my first (and only) purchase of 40k terrain.
"Cadia might not be standing, but this terrain is" was like a gigaton punch to the gut
Your hilarious bud , that moment at 6mins had me hollowing … your good shit my dude 💪🏻👊🏻
The boss bunka is a must, I’m saving it for when I decide to to a scratch mega garagant.
.... How many arms does The Emperor have good citizen?
Edit to add. While I'm not sure if the individual issues are still available. The containers terrain via Imperium mag were $13.95 each. So an ever so slight discount of $6.05 per.
I got this kit from a friend and I've been sitting on it, not quite sure how to best illustrate it, but this video has really made me appreciate its beauty and has inspired me to move it up in my pile of shame.
That was just creepy. I can imagine you hiding under your desk eating paint like Golum.
I just want a necrosphynx to kitbash into a T.Sons maulerfiend
IMO the best Warhammer kit was the plastic Chaos Mutant Conversion kit. I think they sold them from 4th edition through 5th or; I've never held a complete kit before, I found a handful of loose bits in the bitz vault of a minis painting company I worked at and they were so wonderfully grotesque and characterful I wanted to find more. Sadly, the thing was discontinued many years ago and it's impossible to find even loose bits from that set.
Can't find the stencil link
Well you convinced me. I just bought a nicely painted set on Ebay for $82 CAD including shipping
awesome video and paint job they look great
Chaos Forsaken. Discontinued before they could even get round bases. The absolute best chaos conversion bits.
That into was weirdly hilarious?! I'm dying over here lol
Aww hellll yeah! Nicely done, my guy. Definitely gonna take this as a sign to paint mine up XD
The best terrain they did was for Cities of Death, the Imperial City box. The box was expensive, but you could make an entire board of terrain with just 1 box and a little time. Forgeworld also did some amazing terrain, from the sandbag bunkers, fuel depots, and the big building ruins, Pricey at the time, but not so bad when you look at the current stuff.
This video now caused my desire to collect Warhammer to conflict with a new urge to collect vintage barbies from the 80s
Links for the terrain at end?
On the topic of discontinued terrain:
I really hope GW remakes the Wall of Martyrs sets. I joined the hobby too late to get them and any you find online now are way roo expensive. I would love to have some for my kill team matches. A Death Korp Squad simply isn't complete without trenches to charge out of.
I'm there with you, anymore I buy and build more terrain than any other kit but the wall of martyrs is a gap in my collection. I'm currently painting the vengeance weapon batteries from that set and I've got an Aquilla strongpoint sitting on my shelf waiting for me to feel ambitious. I also built the Fortress of redemption and Imperial Strongpoint from back in the day. I even bought the shipping containers because I was so excited when they came out.
At the prices they're going for, I'd rather scratch-build a set.
Heck, just get a trench, print off a buttload of skulls to glue to the front, and make the aquila-things on the front face from plasticard, and you're most of the way there.
I just found the old Aegis defence line on a hobby store and got it.😊
Man, it was SOOOOO simple and yet, looks perfect 👍
Glad i picked up 2 sets of those barricades and bastions
Probably they'll make a sector aegis box set like for mechanicum terrain
Still loving the videos👍
What I hate is that so many modular terrain they used to produce is just gone. Not that their new stuff isn't "modular" but its obvious they're more meant to be used just with more pieces of themselves/upgrade kits for that set. The old buildings, promethium pipes and the rest would all snugly fit together and make great tables. Now its just "New thing and new thing only"
i just got this new in box. they had it built to order a while back.
Just in time for the new ageis defensive line terrain kit!
As someone who almost always advocates for GW terrain instead of DIY I would say that apart from that cannon anything in that set could be easily done with minimal modelling skills, some foamcore and cardboard, and a printer or a straight edge and a steady hand.
_Why_ would you take such an absurd position?
I had the old Warhammer 40K Imperial Sector terrain sitting at a friends house for years. I mean YEARS. Just recently he passed it down to me when he got his new house. I recently built it and excited to paint it. I said screw the intstructions, let's see what magic I make. :)
Dude. You've been to the body shop in San Diego California on rosecrans or is that just coincidence?
Dang, guess I will start molding mine to make more then.
Great vid. Excellent sponsor.
i’m still waiting for the daemonculaba kit. come on GW, it’ll be a cool christmas gift for the kids.
Right as you went “I know what it tastes like”, it cut to an ad with a guy drinking Mountain Dew who then goes “ah, Mountain Dew”
I have the Fortress of Redemption, took forever for me to paint it, but man, it looks great!
I made a tank out of the Twin lascannon turret.
I joined the game too late so all the terrain is inaccessible. I do wish I had splurged on that wall of martyrs stuff on eBay before they got stupid expensive, even though the way we play it’s not the “best” sort of terrain (obscuring or taller ruins to help hide models).
Fortunately, I think we are getting a replacement, via the Guard codex, but a problem might be if it stops being available to everybody. Even now, there's a few things Guard can't do; I don't think they have any stealth, as cameoline cloaks is not something I've seen in any of the leaks for it, so with getting better lasguns use, and wanting to at least sometimes have stationary gun lines, they might benefit from new Aegis, and maybe they'll just redo some Fortifications, such as this, and then everyone will still be able to take these.
I have a 3d printer for making terrain, works amazing for that
I sawed my statue imperialis in half at an angle and put a Charlton Heston Marine on the base shouting "you bastards you blew it all up" Fits right in with my planet of the Apes Inquisition army.
That stare killed me
I'm glad I got my hands on one
Now you do this video. I just received my stencils I purchased last week and could’ve used the 10% off. Oh well. Great product
Would have been perfect for Kill Team as well.
There is a pic which looks like it has a new aegis defence line
Best. Intro. Ever.
This was my first terrain piece I ever got, happy I own it :D
Best kits were the old sector imperialis buildings from maybe 15 - 20 years ago. Happy I have at least a tables worth of it
i absolutely loved the intro
I mean, a box of 9 Leman Russ’s was pretty nice
1:40 , HE HAS THE ONE PEICE, ITS REALLLLLY