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- čas přidán 23. 08. 2022
- In this video Jay takes his old Land Speeders and fixes them up! We have new videos every Monday, Wednesday and Friday! We're streaming Monday-Friday starting at 9PM CST!! JOIN USSSS! Thanks for watching!
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I've always thought it would make more sense for the scout tier marines to also be the drivers/pilots. Most of the reaction time/reflexes, since that's the most common reason I've seen stated for marine pilots, without having to sacrifice a full power armored battle brother.
It's almost certainly never worth it. The benefit you get from faster reflexes etc. as a marine versus the chapter having serfs pilot their vehicles won't be more significant than the benefit you get from having an extra scout marine on the field. A scout marine would no doubt be better, but not THAT much better.
Me too, having a pilot be a fancy servitor
In some of the lore the space Marines dismount the land speeder. Occasionally returning to it. It's still a couple of space Marines with bolt rifles. Maybe one guy keeps a chain sword in the cargo compartment.
@@BigMikeMcBastard the scout marines would suit it better, smaller
Or one of each, I imagine pilots have a more integrated learning structure. Having a neophyte and initiate working together would be a great template for teaching new pilots
It’s explained in a few books as to why they are used to pilot vehicles, it’s largely because of reaction time and durability. They can survive otherwise mortal wounds, thus potential saving the crew.
I also doubt space marines would be willing to trust their lives to a human in combat over their bother astartes.
In the Night Lords books they specifically train slaves because they hate flying
@@axcel9128 Dudes who love dressing like bats hate flying? Okay, I guess.
@@Defilerlord heh
@@Defilerlord I think it has something to do with being stuck in METAL BAHWXES flying through the air.
It's still redundant. You can just augment a chapter serf via Mechanicus implants to fly/pilot at an accelerated rate, without sacrificing a Space Marine that is better used elsewhere. if the serf gets blown up, who gives a shit.
1:25 Terminal velocity isn't a constant; it has to take into account an objects mass, surface area, drag coefficient, the density of the medium through which it passes and the strength of the gravitational field. 120mph is about right for a skydiver, not for several tons of metal.
Also terminal velocity is the maximum speed of something in free fall. Jay misinterpreted the quote from the Codex. Of course land speeders can go faster.
Yeah, but he also called the assault cannons "storm bolters" /s
@@armorist_8712 pretty sure he call the land speeder a “star speeder” at one point too.
Who cares?
@@skazkatzroy3444 you evidently, his maths are wrong he call the model by a different name and can’t call the weapon the right designation. Yet his opinion counts? Nah he’s just soft, the land speeder is fine, at best it should be a scout model and manned by scout marines rather than full blown space marines in full armour, easy fix.
It's why I like the Storm being piloted by scouts, in my headcannon it flies in killteams, supplies, and medevacs muhreens. It feels like a "support" vehicle.
*headcanon
@@batteredwarrior no, I think he means that the cannon on his head has landspeeders flying around in it, ready to be fired out.
The og landspeeder is actually what got me into collecting space marines! I love the tactical shoe and have three of them for my wolves
Ah yes, the chapter who are known for *not* using nearly as many landspeeders as other chapters...
Me too, bought the Revell model without storm cannon, but with paints included.. and now i have an army of smurfs. How could that happen?
@@lazerhosen fun police
I have an original land speeder! Lead parts, mmm delicious. It looks SO ridiculous now, two tiny Beakies sitting right out front with no hull whatsoever! It came in a three-set with the squat mole mortar and imperial guard tarantula (w/ two tasty las-cannons!) Wish I had my copy of Rogue Trader still. Yup I'm old. Greetings from southwestern Ontario!
I have a couple too. That thing is a pain in the ass. So many parts and so heavy that it’s so heavy to keep together.
i have that as well
I had the Imperial Army version, with the big heavy plasma on top rather than than the melta.
Due to my refusing to drop 40K second edition right up until the 8th edition I was using an Imperial Guard landspeeder (metal) in my Genestealer Cult - the first printings of the 2nd ed Codex Tyranids included this option, but it mysteriously vanished from later printings... Now I shall probably just proxy it as a ridgerunner.
@rory, not old: classic
I actually like the boxy look of imperial flyers. I imagine their creed to be: 'If you're worried about aerodynamics your thrusters aren't strong enough.'
THAT INTRO GOT ME WHEEZING
Agreed!
How? You got asthma?
220 models... You know, that isn't even a chapter... ;) I do love your Templars :)
I mean, i'll just say that my storm speeders are crewed by semi-failed aspirants, only somewhat deformed chapter thralls who, while technically failing the whole becoming a marine step, still received a good few of the augmentations and thus, enhanced reaction times. Also one of them could be deformed enough to just not have the best hearing, and he's the guy in the turret.
6:30
am i even a real warhammer fan for not instantly thinking "hold on those are assault cannons not storm bolters" and just nodding along?
Jay makes great content, so we forgive him his small mistakes. I mean... it's not like he's woefully misinforming the whole internet about 40k lore like Bricky, who is doing it for the funnies, but still.
I love landspeeders they're better designed than most of the bikes, the outriders and the ATV, are atrocious with zero ground clearance.
Almost like you had no clearance between your subjects in that run-on sentence my dude. Let me fix that for you by inserting commas, an oxford comma, adding two words, and changing one other word:
"I love landspeeders, they're better designed than most of the bikes, outriders, and the ATV, *which* are *all* atrocious, *having* zero ground clearance."
@@lazerhosen jesus who shit in your cheerios
I love landspeeders, especially their clunky 80's retro futuristic design that just looks like a box falling apart. It shows how far the imperium's technology has fallen
mr man is a wholesome guy, such a delight to listen to when slogging through uni work
I really like these thoughts on models with some lore to back them up, and then sometimes reworking the models.
That space marine sticking out the top is Captain Tinnitus
This is why I love watching your videos Jay, you don't just say "This is bad", you identify what you don't like about the mini etc. and offer a nice alternative solution to make improvements.
In my old Space wolves army, as their lore was that they were lost in a far away planet out of supplies, their land speeder was modified to work on wheels (grav engines, as you said, are difficult to mantain). It was a super easy conversion and worked pretty well!
Oh man that old intro music! That's a good nostalgia hit of dopamine right there...
I found this channel back in 2014 or 2015, when I was getting back into mini painting after a looooong hiatus, and I still occasionally look up those old videos when I need basing help.
i actually love the third edition boxed set speeder, one of my favourite space marine units, along with the plastic bikers. each to their own though, i definitely hate the one with the digglet gunner
The OG 3rd edition box landspeeder's front armor wouldn't stay glued down to the chassis unless you used a clamp though. Mine always had its "mouth" open.
I like how you omitted the Tempest version and the space marine scout version :).
Cool video and loving the bases.
also landspeeder vengeance (dark angels)
The Tempest sees my table as a substitute Typhoon, on occasion it actually flies as itself. Once a decade...
I always thought a landspeeder fills the role of a low flying attack helicopter. They're fast, lightly armored and can hit tanks from above. As to why astartes fly them...maybe to fly as fast and low as possible? Good reflexes help not getting hit by flak. It also doesn't hurt that they probably have a higher G-force ceiling. (Tolerate G's ? Idk how to write that...)
The thing is, the bonus given by fast reflexes surely is more than nullified by the extra weight and room.
@@Scarletraven87 well i mean, if you’d put a regular guard up there you would need to put more armor on the speeder itself to protect the guy from bullets etc. because as they are now the pilots are pretty exposed
@@mrclean29 Protecting the whole thing with an external shell weights less than protecting all its components (pilot, engine, etc) singularly
Because protecting single components is like adding wrinkles to an otherwise smooth skin. You increase the total surface.
Ignoring the terminal velocity bit, stellar video with fantastic editing. This piece is great!
What I like most about these videos. You don't just rant about pros and cons. You show what you'd do! Love it!
I also have a love/hate with my speeders. I attempted to kitbash a homemade Tempest years ago, didn’t work out, so he’s a piece of crashed terrain now. I don’t like painting the old style flyer stands so I leave them clear. The newer ones just get the base replaced and I use brass rod to build a scenic base. Great work as always, keep it up!
The 2nd edition land speeder was the best version, and I like the way that the StormSpeeder has a lot of call backs in its design
Holy crap, I never imagined how useful tinfoil could be. This is the painting level-up that I've NEEDED for my conversion and kitbash work, thank you!
I think most (almost all) vehicles look ridiculous in 40K. It's one of the reasons I never got into playing or collecting complete armies, just grabbing the odd mini for painting an collecting. I think what could make the speeders look a little better would be to replace at least one Space Marine with a 28mm vehicle driver model from something like Bolt Action. They could be the pilot and then the Space Marine adds the firepower. It'd have the added advantage of selling the Space Marine as a 10 foot tall super soldier.
Most of the vehicles in 40k look ridiculous next to miniatures for the same reason Star Wars action figure vehicles look ridiculous next to your figures: the scale is squished, and not consistently across the model. Think about how a Leman Russ battle tank is depicted in artwork vs how it looks on the table.
The other problem most vehicles face is that everything else in the army is mounted on a base, and many vehicles are not, so there is a visual consistency missing there as well.
Your nerdyness makes me laugh, i love it
I think the basic 3rd edition land speeder is one of my favorite models. An armored hover car tearing through the battlefield at high speeds with awesome weaponry. Imagine the face on the pilot of an Eldar viper as one of these appears along side as the multi melta levels. They were fun to use in game and when deep striking 4 in with 2 multi meltas on each. At least back in 7th.
Arkhan Land has to be one of the dumbest pieces of 40k lore that they've not decided to retcon.
In almost 25 years of playing I have NEVER met anyone who dislikes the Land Speeder.
In light of this, I must believe your opinion a slanderous one and therefore I'm driven to extremes.
A curse upon your livestock, sir. A curse upon you, a curse upon your cow and a curse upon your goat.
I am aghast.
Dude literally blew my mind when you showed that old video! You popped up in my recommendations and I didn’t realize that was your channel also lol
Dang man you gave some awesome tips! Never once did I think of using tin foil to paint over! Genius thank you!
Jay you should put up one of those magnetic dry-erase white boards on one of your hobby room walls. I put all my magnetized weapon options on it instead of buried in my bits boxes. It looks super impressive and you can even write some shit like "THE ARMORY" on the top on dry-erase.
metal pencil case might not be a bad one either, thinking more about transporting them. Or really any metal bawks.
The land speeder storm is great. I had a lot of fun dropping off scouts to melta bomb things. Space marine vehicles should really just be piloted by scouts and the serfs that fail to make the grade.
You skipped how you made the wax seal on the purity seals! Those models look sick as hell though. Love the skeleton of the heretics added on, those look awesome.
Great transitions between the scenes. Superb editing here fellas
I would honestly love if there were some chapter serf minis included in the ten men boxes, or if there were basically two options for each ten men box, one with serfs and one without. Just some servitors and/or normal humans working alongside the Space Marines, carrying weapons or ammunition crates, cleaning swords, maybe holding a Lieutenant's helmet or some religious imagery, like the serfs in the Grimaldus and Retinue box. It would bring some neat variety into the Space Marines armies.
Makes sense for space marines to drive land speeders. But I dont think they drive the tanks and most vehicles. They have a lot of supporting humans and techpriests. They are probably doing the driving.
Respect to you for having subtitles :) It really helps
Ooh I love the caution stripes you added! Loyalists deserve a safe work environment too!
Your addition of the larger cannon invokes to me the cannon on the A-10. It's imposing and the sound of it invokes fear in the enemy and cheers from allies.
Appreciate the obscure Shrek reference.
10K Deathwatch army with 250+ models. Well done mate 👍
You forgot the biggest crime of all Land Speeder models, the flying castle, Land Speeder Vengeance! **wilhelm scream**
Storm bolters XD
Great job on those man!
I want to see You overdo a Repulsor :D
They're Landspeeder certified, you can't blame them for flexing it.
2:21😂 why they look like going on vacation?
Hej Brother, how was your morning?
Thanks good, finally we have day off.
@13:37 "what do you guys think maby i´ll just leave em like that" .....
in my mind: .....O DEAR GOD ITS THE DREADED FLYING "Assault Bake-Potatoes" O_o
"new this month we have bound demon complete with ball gag"
never thought id hear that from a mini painter channel as i almost choke on my food
really enjoyed the editing on this one man
That was some really cool advice about details you don't like after the painting is finished. They look a lot better and not like the Land Speeder in the Ultramarines movie, (just sitting there).
thank goodness you corrected that "storm bolter" call boy was my eye twitching 😂
I really thought this video was just going to be Jay coming on screen and saying "I hate these because....SHOOOOOOEEEEEEE!" and just yelling that last word for 17 minutes.
Miles constantly hating on the storm speeder is a mood.
These turned out great! I personally really like the look of land speeders, and am totally OK with the pilots being marines in full armour, because they feel like the marines could jump out and join the battle on-foot at any time. They're less like a vehicle crew, and it's more like a light transport that happens to have guns on it. Like a really fast combat scooter.
The third gunner dude on the new ones looks RIDICULOUS though, and is the thing that's stopped me picking one up. If I ever get one I'd like to kitbash it so there's a sensor array or something else there.
I think your lore reason kinda makes sense. like in titans you don't have spacemarines of soldiers from the astra, you got princeps.
At the same time a landspeeder is, probably, more complex than a rhino, so it kinda makes sense that you need more training to pilot it efficiently.
They turned out great! Loved the video
Very cool video. Thanks for that!
I think if you think of pretty much every like action hero movie, when there is a chopper or plane, very often the generic pilot guy just dies or panics or just generally sucks so I think it kind of makes sense. You have a very tough pilot, who has super senses, is battle hardened to not panic or miss shots under fire, who then if the vehicle is downed is a useful soldier.
In early editions they weren’t considered “open top” because of the space marine peer armor.
I love the land speeder, it just looks so goofy.
The ziplock drug baggies are awesome for bitz. Have a baggie for each unique part. Then further organized into ziplock sandwich/medium storage bags for arms, weapons, heads, etc... and then further again in either 2L or 6L bins (got mine at Canadian Superstore) by faction+infantry and faction+vehicles.
As much fun as it is to dig for that perfect bit, meticulous organization is extremely satisfying and so much more time efficient.
I will say, I also think the landspeeder looks derpy. That being said, even in Soul Hunter, Septimus, the human pilot, is often described as slow and unable to pilot the thunderhawk as well as a space marine. It's the same argument for every Astartes unit, while you could have humans for any of the roles (pilot, tech marines, apothecaries, etc), they wouldn't be quite as capable.
I think those models are cool. It has that 90s action figure vibe. Like you know that in the basic kit you just get the space marine action figure but you have to buy his land speeder separately. :Dd Plus of course lorewise it would make sense for them to wear their armour while driving that as the thing has barely any hull coverage, also remember that Tony Stark does not have to drive a land speeder because his suit can fly.
I've always wanted to see chapter serfs on the battlefield taking care of stuff like driving vehicles that aren't bikes or something. I've also always wanted to see wavy clear plastic mounts for these, to look like distorted air underneath it.
Nice refresh. The flowing purity seals really sell the effect of movement.
seen a few quite good looking stretched versions of the land speeder model the first i saw was in a white dwarf where they went for a Vietnam era Huey feel
The land speeder typhoon is my favorite, something about the massive missile pods strapped to a little hover car is hilarious
add bulletproof glass + armor/doors to the speeders, making them less ridiculous
I started reading Horus Heresy books recently and it is stated that a lot of vehicules like Stormbirds and Thunderhawks were piloted by servitors. On the other hand as far as I know the marines piloting aircraft or driving tanks do not count to the Codex 10x100 marines requiement so maybe this is a way to bypass the restriction.
*vehicles
just for fun, the primaris land speeder became a meme in italy, beacouse the marines seems a quite famous comedian trio called aldo giovanni and giacomo when they did a theatre show and in this show there was the subau baracca sketch.
and it was perfect.
Javelin and Tempest are dope AF! Also... I thought I had a problem with sorting my bits 😂
I love the scimitar jetbikes.
You forgot everyone's favorite, the scout minivan! You can now fit your entire family in a land speeder! When I came back to this game and saw that it had me wondering if it had removeable or stowable seats.
The Storm was mentioned, but there's two missed; the Tempest, The DA Vengence. The Stormwolf, Stormtalon and Stormraven also suffer from the 'Flying Brick' look, and either look like a shrunk Thunderhawk, or a kid playing with Lego....
Well, the Land speeder dpes make some sense lore-wise at least
While fighting on the ground, it is sometimes necessary to have heavy weapons at a shortest time possible from a flank or rear position to where your main offence/defence takes place, for example behind an enemy tank assault, tearing it apart from behind and getting away just as fast.
The pilot has to be a space marine for a number of reasons. One-they can be easily replaced in combat in case the pilot is wounded (as space marines cannot have their own offensive human troops, only navy and PDF). Two-you can sacrifice pilot protection for a degree of structural integrity of the vehicle itself without increasing the vehicle's mass, as the power armor gives a decent protection from small arms and light artillery. Third-reaction and targeting. Space marines have targeting matrixes integrated into their helmets, which makes them able to both pilot at great speeds without much risk and target incredibly quickly.
All in all-its a useful design, that grants them an incredibly mobile weapons platform and fire support
Also-love the design, fits the overall aesthetic)
To be fair, we have fully armored soldiers driving vehicles in real life. It’s extra protection of a vital role and means you can leap into action of the vehicle gets toasted.
Source: years of service in Army infantry
Also I did the same thing with the Tau when everyone said they didn’t fit 40K. I made them grimdark to prove the haters wrong with a Bioshock paint scheme. 🤘
Fully armored modern soldiers aren't in armor that is so thick that they have to remove armor plates to scratch there ass
Love the old model, clunky but effective... On a strategy point of view, having a way to carry heavy weaponry across physical obstacles is a must. offering heavy supresing fire to cover your asault marines werever they go is almost essential....
Most moder army use fast travel light armored vehicle, they tend to yeild lots of firepower to cover infantry an disable small fortifications. a good example is the german wiesel...
In the wole lore of 40k , in witch many thing have gone wrong in the last decade, land speeders are one of the most tacticaly and lorewise realist concept. The model is so iconic of old space marine logic : ugly but fonctionnal. Even the armor is logic, lorewise, if you shot one down, you could got up to 4 angry overpowered warriors to deal with , it might even be behind your line...
that opening was not expecting the "except these guys" each model of mine is like precious son or daughter. even the ones i adopt. i couldn't imagine hating any of them.
I made all my black templar speeders with Neophyte gunners and just Initiate pilots, fits with the mentor and student feel.
These are the reason the Ravenwing Talon Master feels weird. Especially when you can kit him out for close combat, while he is hanging out the side of his Landspeeder 😓😅👀
5:20 ended up pausing the video here and checking something - those're the same kind of boxes my mom uses for storing buttons she uses in crafts projects, that's a funny lil coincidence to me.
I’m sure it’s been asked, but what was used for the stamp of the purity seals? The speeders looks amazing, I love the pine bark trick. I have to use it for my currently “floating” air units hahaha
I like the improvements to your Land Speeders, they are *more better* now!!
Wow I just bought the same bits case for after I made my first pack of Space Marines and Sororitas. Gonna have one for each major race, maybe separate them as I go on but idk.
I have similar feelings on the landspeeders feeling to small for regular marines. but the land speeder storm filled with scouts really helps the proportions.
I had planned zo make a Dark Crusade Opening Diorama (from the videogame where they attack the Necrons) and wanted to use a landspeeder.... Now i am no sure if i wanna do that anymore ^^
But Jay... what about the Landspeeder Storm?!?! :D
Landspeeder Tropical Depression? Great video!
I am once more here to shill the Storm Speeder. It's my favorite little box and one of the only reasons I want a Primaris army.
Really cool results!
There were 2 in the Rogue Trader days, too. One of them was for the Guard.
Whenever Jay is about to introduce the ad for his patreon reminds me to muscle man from Regular Show. ¨You know who else isn´t safe from paint splater...? MY MOM !! ¨
Blimey your purity seals look amazing and great technique for making them
3:40 Naahhh it looks like two space marines waking up in a big bed together! (and immediately starts shooting at something)
"Arkham Land." Mark Hamil double dip name as the most famous land speeder pilot and Arkham Asylum's most infamous resident.
heres my take. i am a combat vet, and driving anything in combat is never easy. skimming the landscape at 120 mph is never easy, trust me. however, my niggle is they wear full armour. not something you wanna do inside ea vehicle...
I think the armour makes sense. The vehicle isn't offering much protection, and the armour would be great crash protection as well.
I think land speeders make sense if you think of them in terms of vehicles used by special forces today. High speed, lightly armored vehicles that can still carry an impressive array of weapon systems. The design of the land speeder makes sense, as you said space marines are already heavily armored, so the vehicle doesn't need to be. Two Marines could quickly reach a forward observation point to scout for enemy troop movements or intercept enemy recon teams. In these examples the Land Speeder is absolutely the tool for the job for the mobility it offers the Space Marines the ability to have a large battlespace presence while being a numerically inferior force.
You forget the land-speeder of the Dark Angels!!
The Vengence and Darkshroud actually look cool
The real problem for me, that I took care with some 3D printed pieces... Is just the open cockpit (and the third marines on the storm speeder yes, but I took care of it too).