Why You MIGHT NOT Want the Leviathan Box
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2023
- The new Warhammer 40k Leviathan box is going on pre-order very soon - but is it really right for you? Take a look at why it might not be.
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Splitting a box with a friend. He's getting the soulless, monstrous bad guys. I'll be getting the Tyranids.
Only issue is who gets the cool book... I'm considering asking him if I could give him a tenner or so to keep it, so he effectively gets a deeper discount on his half. We have a pre-order secured at our FLGS so we'll be paying £65(!!!) each
Just cut the book in half... problem solved!
@Jarlaxle Daerthe Brilliant. Then I can kitbash the second half! Maybe with the Battletech manual?
What did you wind up doing?
@APFlood I ended up doing just this, I gave my buddy £55 for all the nids and I sourced the rulebook and mission cards from The Troll Trader as they were slightly better pricing than what eBay was offering. I plan on building my nids this weekend!
As a new Warhammer 40k fan, I wanted EVERYTHING that was in that box. So I bought it. My best purchase in my life so far
Awesome, I'm thinking of buying mine this weekend! It will be my first 40k experience. Did it have everything you needed to play?
I dipped my toes in Warhammer with the Introductory Set. The only things I bought other than that was an x-acto knife and can of rustoleum 2x flat black primer. Marines and ‘Nids are constructed, all are primed and the marines have their second coat of Macragee Blue and I’m HOOKED my local hobby shop has like 18 Leviathan Sets left and said they would sell me one for $185 that’s 26% off!!!
Got it for 185! They only had 4 left. Got the marines all put together and most spray primed ultramarine blue from army painter lets go!! Now i gotta decide between a battle foam pack 180 with 40K combat patrol leviathan space marines load out or Citadel battle figure case.
My friend and I played 20 years ago. We just recently got back into it for nostalgic reasons. This box is perfect for us.
Same here about a month ago after a 15 year hiatus! Models have improved so much aye 😂
I just did some rearranging in my hobby room and found a sealed box of Indomitus under a pile of other things - I don't think Leviathan will fare any better so I'll not be getting it. Some of the new sculpts look good though, I hope people have fun with it.
You keen to get rid of that Indomitus box?
This is where I am. I did open the box but all the models are still on the sprues, LOL.
@@shannonsteven3982 Heh - no, it'll stay on the old pile of opportunity for a bit longer I reckon - you never know when the urge to build and paint random stuff will strike!
Same with my indomitus models. I didn't even get the whole box but still have to do those. Ha.
Can I have it? Lol
the hype for 10th edition has given me so much motivation to paint the models i already own that i don’t really want to buy this box and work on that instead, which was probably not their intention lol
Same for me 😂
For me it is just assembling both nids and space marines I have owned since 5th edition.
yeah same here too... I got a enough plastics to keep me busy during 10th
Kinda works for me. The Combat Patrol system in 10th sounds great, for someone that has limited time and resources. I had an attempt with 8th and fell off.
Ditto
I genuinely appreciate this video. I was getting caught up in a fomo frenzy, and realized I am unlikely to have to hobby time for it. I am budgeting that time for the next warcry and Old World.
The worst part about the Leviathan Box set, is it is not balanced. It is heavily slanted into the Space Marines side. Many people say you need to add nearly 200 points of Tyranids to balance it out. Money wise you get quite a bit worth of Tyranids though, just not enough to make it balanced.
I've not played since the 80s when a buddy introduced me to Warhammer Fantasy Battle... we spent hours playing that simple game. Warhammer 40k has always been on my radar being a huge fan of the books and lore. Now as an older gamer with plenty of disposable income it seemed like a cost effective way to dive into the hobby.
Leviathan Box is perfect for me as i play and collect and paint custom space hulk games at home and i love both the the space marines and Tyranid armys. Im from the UK so it would cost me around £150 so bargain.
Dude that is awesome do you have some social media or soemthing to see your work?
@@darksisteroflimbs6373 Im not in anyway a youtuber or anything like that. My work wont get any awards anytime soon but massively enjoy getting stuck in. Playing space crusade back in 90s and watching aliens gave me loads inspiration. with the launch of leviathan it just up the game for me as my new project is currently getting underway My new space hulk is simply called Luna which is a pirate ship well it was until the tyranids came on bored 😂
Im new(returning) to the hobby and primarily will be collecting Eldar. However I have decided to pick this up for the Combat Patrol selections for the Space Marines and Tyranids so that I have other forces to play against with my ELdar with my kids.
Great video as always, Uncle.
Also, just got my hands on the print version of Majestic 13, and it’s great. Can’t wait to get it to the table.
Keep up the good work.
This is like one of those deprogramming sessions for leaving a cult.
I want to buy it, but am not sure that'll be possible. In Australia, my FLGS and the two biggest online retailers didn't get enough copies to cover their reservation list.
I'm super glad I called up my LGS early enough to be number 12 on their list basically as soon as the launch box was announced. I'm seriously looking forward to that book! My buddy is a Xenos fan and I of course like Space Marines so I'm giving him all the Nids. While I'm not immediately painting the contents (still finishing up my 2k pts of Tsons) I'm extremely excited to make my Custom Chapter! Hope they release some more flexible rules for Chapter Masters, as mine is a psyker, but either way I'm looking forward to this launch!
An exceptionally level-headed video. An excellent was to help curb expectations for some.
That being said, I'm looking at the Neurotyrant and thinking it'd be brilliant for Majestic 13.
You are SO right about local store as source for boxes. I booked the two kill team sets (prior to ashes of faith) through my store no worries. These sold out in seconds on the GW site. As usual thoughtful. I appreciate you rowing back against FOMO.
It's $420 here in Australia. I vividly remember buying the Dark Imperium set in 2019 for only $250 Brand New at a Gamesworkshop store. You can say what you want about 'inflation' but that price jump in plastic over just 4 years is absolutely ridiculous ... cool models though 😅
And the combat patrols suddenly costing an extra $50 or $60 is insane to me. I haven't bought a model in about 2 years now
I never even took the Indomitus Box Set models off the sprues.
You left out my personal favorite reason to buy the new box, to make gags about it being a new version of Space Hulk.
All good points, Adam. You released Majestic 13 at a perfect time, just a few days before the David Grusch story 🛸
It’s all just part of the marketing campaign. Thanks for watching!
This box is pretty much perfect for me my two favorite factions are the space marines and the hungry space bugs
I'm coming from the non tabletop aspect (cool mini collecting, painting, and lore) so I'm looking forward to the box. I don't have an Tyranids yet, and you can never have enough cool looking SM, plus the lore and art in the book is appealing to me.
I discovered your channel and I must say - great job. a lot of information in one place. I would have liked a little more pictures of what you're talking about, but that's not a complaint.
I've had a break from 40k since 7th edition. Im So hyped for this. Battle for Macragge was my introduction. Leviathan is how my son is about to be introduced to it! ❤
Newish player here who has painted AoS minis before but keen to paint and play 40K. Any thoughts on the Laviathan box set vs the Ultimate Starter set? Wonder if the starter set might be a better entry point - any thoughts?
My friends and I have been playing a lot of Kill Team over the last year, our first tabletop. Some have showed in interest in moving to full 40k and the talks of combat patrol have made me more willing. I love the hobby side too so the deal on this box is quite tempting for me.
You definitely tampered my expectations. My store called to confirm a pre-order for me yesterday. I'm calling them back today to cancel. I have been collecting Combat Patrol boxes for months in anticipation of 10th Edition. I have 10 CP boxes now. I'm just waiting on the CP rules and datasheets to be released so I can actually build/paint my sets, which happens on the 20th of June I believe. I was only leaning toward getting the box because I could not find a Space Marines CP box in the US. Luckily my wife took a work trip to London and found it (and others) there that I can't get here. I was surprised at how much cheaper Warhammer models are in the UK. Each CP box was about 30-60 dollars cheaper than here in the US or on Amazon.
Ya… really on the fence about this box, because I like all the 3D chapter specific shoulder pads, which for these leviathan models I’ll have to cut off the smooth ones to keep that theme going and just waiting for the multipart kits later would save me that trouble. But I do want a bug combat patrol. hmmm
Hey I met you at TMX! Thanks for this video and all the videos.
Always appreciate your videos.
Already seeming a bunch of splitting the box inquiries on my local gaming groups.
Unrelated question and sorry if this has been asked before, but what watch do you have on in the video btw? Looks awesome.
Just an Apple Watch. Thanks for watching!
I agree. I wanted a second army for small games as a change up from necrons, so getting the marine half made sense (I also just like the books). If I was good sticking with necrons, I’d just stay on course.
I bought the Orks Combat Patrol because 1) I was able to buy it off the shelf 2) no FOMO 3) had just finished painting a test mini so had the colour scheme nailed down already and 4) ORKZ
I have too many of the big boxes GW has made over the years, and quite frankly I’ve never come close to finish painting any of them!
Also, having the core rules and data sheets be available digitally is great. I have decided never to buy any physical books from GW again (Blood Bowl as the exception) as they are frequently made outdated.
I still buy the books as there new system proof. I want to read my height in there books. I have only read 2 books on pc and it strains my eyes more then books. There books are not as tuff as the old ones though. Hell I opened mine to fast and dented it lol
This video has been super helpful, thank you. After thinking about it now I don’t really need the box for what I want to do
I suspect the Combat Patrols will be the models they'll pick for the "proper" Starter Boxes, so this might be another way to get the 2 combat patrols, with more gubbins to play the game(dice, measures, terrain). The Leviathan book has the Crusade Rules/ the first Crusade Supplement, which will be released separately. The Leviathan in that form, not just the cover but also the contents(Lore+Combat Patrol Rules+Core Rules+Crusade Roles) will not be available again. Getting the book except for collection reasons will be not a good idea, though, as we can expect the rules be amended/faq'd/eratta'd pretty soon. I used my proper 9th edition rulebook.. 1 or 2 times?
I’m excited to play 10th. Haven’t played 9th since like January due to busy life and work. Now I’m just waiting to get the SM codex released and I’m gona finish painting up some models I already have.
Why might I not want the Leviathan box...Because my Indomitus box is still in cellophane. Which I bought to jump start an active return to the hobby. Then I started a 8-12 week remodel of my house...Which should wrap maybe in the next 3-4 weeks.
Still newer to the game, but specifically interested in doing the combat patrol game mode with friends, so I'm going to pick it up and build them so that others who are interested can try it out.
Should I get two leviathan boxes? Currently having one but a friend of mine are selling the tyranids side for very cheap. I’m not competitive or anything I wanna know if it’s I viable to be play for fun if getting a duplicate Tyranids army.
Thanks Uncle Atom.
I've ordered Majetstic 13 in print, and look forward to fielding a horde of beholders as my aliens.
I mean, I got the 8th and 9th edition boxes at launch, and never got around to playing any games of either. And still haven't painted the Marines out of 9th.
I already preordered and paid for this. So excited. Even more because I'm trading the tyranids for another Space marine half to get extra models! Can't wait!!!
I might have already preorder 1.5 boxes...whoops. but I'm "new" and totally digging the two armies so it felt like a better deal than buying them piecemeal later
I've just been working on my teams for Majestic 13. I'm considering using Tau suits as Force. Tyranids as the base monsters... I will likely throw in a few nice wizkids/d&d/pathfinder minis.
Do you know what the different Aliens were paying homage to by chance?
Terminators would make decent stand ins for Force too.
A perfect add-on to my dark angels army and I have long-time planned to start the Tyranid army... win-win for me + getting some pre-order extras :)
I already pre-ordered it through my local game store. I've been sitting on the sidelines since 5th edition and been itching to get my models back on the table. As much as I'm all for playing as free as possible, "$250" for this many new sculpts and a rulebook too? (And mission deck) like your recent price compares of the Combat Patrol boxes, there is just so much value in this box for those of us who play Marines and Tyranids.
Great "down to earth" video. Personally hope to get my hands on a box, but mostly hyped for playing the game again! (9th somehow did not get of the ground around me, state of the world and stuff, but people seem to be more enthusiastic again!)
But I need alien sculpts for Majestic 13...
best use case for the Tyranid models that don't fit in the Combat patrol ? :D
Always wanted to get in to 40k when I was a kid, my son has started getting in to it & we got the small introductory set. Hes all about space marines, so ive got the tyranids, a store nearby has a couple boxes left still - considering getting it & putting away for xmas. The fact it has two complete combat patrols is awesome for playing at some event nights at the shop 👍
My biggest issue with this is that it seems like a fancy version of the 4th edition Battle for Macragge, which I got back in the day. And I’m already swimming in tyranids…
Plus I managed a grand total of ONE solo test game of 9th edition…
If this was not a limited launch special, I definitely would not be buying. Now I’m undecided…
Great video. :)
I´ve been playing with idea to paint some tyranids for about half a year now, so Leviathan really decided for me. :) I found a guy to split box with and I´ll be keeping them for rainy days. Other than that, there is no hype for me. I am just slowly painting my first real w40k army for about a month now and waiting for datasheets.
My local playgroup has a dedicated Tyranid player, and he approached me about a box split. That became a no brainer to me. I have two armies and one of them is space marines (sorry guys I’m not playing GW’s game that each marine chapter is it’s own army and you have to buy more of them for each color scheme, something GW seems to finally agree with me on in 10th).
So I get my new space marines, of which I only have about 10 unpainted ones left, and he gets his bugs.
I’m not worried about missing anything with my second army, it’s Thousand Sons so I know best we will get this edition is one new model. I love their aesthetic and it was an easy army to collect because the range is so small.
My local store cant sell the preorders and discounted the preorder. This really worries me as the same thing happened with Dominion. Dominion ended up being on holiday sale at my local store for $88...
I still haven't finished painting the Battle of Macragge boxset!
I think as beginners box it's absolutely perfect. Everything you need is right there to jump into the hobby. As for myself I've already got two large armies I'm happily painting through for Horus Heresy. I'll likely get the new rulebook on its own, but that's it.
if you want to see a perfect starter box from a gamer point of view then look at Mantic's Deadzone.
They even have a paper map with instructions for your first game ... (only downside is the resin minis and the build instructions aren't as detailed as GW's)
I just want bug, my brain is small, smooth, and ready for bug
While I do understand what you saying about the rule book for 10th, could you make the same augrment for other editions (more so for 2nd to 7th)?
I’m not sure what you mean? About the amount of fluff and art and photos? Thanks for watching!
@@tabletopminions correct
I ordered mine from my FLGS and I am looking forward to having a go at it. Also love the Mothra shirt 😉👍
New to the hobby and about to buy this box, can't wait to get to add this to the starter set I got last month
I accidentally talked out my friend from getting one. He was feeling the FOMO and I said I'd play Combat Patrol with him if he got a box, but that he can also wait a few months and he can always find one cheaper. And if not, we're not lacking things to play.
My boyfriend and I were already interested in nids and space marines. I want tyranids, and he wants blood Angel space marines. This box is basically exactly what we needed, so it’s great value for us.
It's more then a combat patrol on both sides. Both the Tyranids and space marines combat patrols will be missing quite a bit of contents from each side. Theirs about $400+ of models on each side. Combat patrols have never been anything close to that much value. Of course their still great value but this box set has almost 1000$ of value if you were to buy everything separately. Then you look at say a space marine combat patrol that has about 200$ worth of models and they sell for 160$ on there website. Of course their are some that hold more value then others but overall the combat patrol boxes aren't outstanding deals like this is. I believe you can actually see the new combat patrols in the combat patrol section of the book including, the Tyranid combat patrol is no longer in there and was replaced by a different combat patrol and so was the space marines. I watched AngryJoe go through the book and there was all factions combat patrols listed as I believe detachments? I'm not sure I don't have the book yet but I know it's in there.
I hope to get a box, fingers crossed 🤞🏻
I'm not a gamer yet, but in my case I couldn't wish for a better box because I collect Dark Angels and would like to paint more tyranids, well there is one little thing I would like more - if instead of Ultramarines there were Dark Angels with new Ravenwing and Deathwing models. Overall a great price for such a thick set of miniatures. A video quite useful for new people that this is not a must have set
speaking of using these units for combat patrol, would leviathan units be usable in a killteam as well?
That’s not been mentioned yet that I know of. Thanks for watching!
6:06 I think the combat patrols will be in the smaller starter set for 40k (same way 9th ed had a smaller starter set after indomitus), not separate combat patrols.
I think so as well
Local stores here in Australia were getting around half of the allocation they requested. So either GW are holding a lot back for full retail, or it will sell out instantly.
that's happening everywhere, uk included
Yeah. If they can't provide a 40k launch box, they really have no business releasing anything else.
Yeah, around half is what I have heard as well, also weird that this is the third video I have seen released the day before launch stating "maybe you don't want to buy it".
@@Gumlass1especially after they screwed the other releases leading up to 10th ed because they had to switch production to make up for the numbers they need for 10th.
I want it so badly, but i can't start a second army now when I still have kill teams to build and paint
Uncle Atom's "Midwest nice" is so strong even telling you to not get something he says "why you MIGHT not want" 😂
you always have a great insight, thanks for the video.
I... Never noticed that the TM logo at the top right was 3d and occasionally rotated before.
The only reason why I might not want it, because my pile of shame is already big enough, but that´s just a reason no hinderance.
Uncle Adam, how DARE you try to temper the FOMO flames in my heart???
Remember that there will be 3 levels of 10th edition start playing boxes coming, just like they did with 9th edition. Those were cheaper, had both armies, terrain, and the updated rule book.
Yes, I mentioned that at the end of the video. Thanks for watching!
There was that guy you couldn’t get though. The demon summoner dude.
yes I will get it, but just in case of a miniature diorama painting project I have in mind ;)... and yes I could wait... but I can't wait =D ...
Basing it on current standards (which may be completely wrong once they release point values) I estimate this box to have 950-1000 points of space marines depending on loadouts and how they price the lasdreadnought.
My local store had like 60+ preorders
Can you do a review of the Leviathan book vs the core rule book. I grabbed a box for $200. Don't even play either army. I needed the book and was thinking it might be nice for options on combat patrol as admec may stink. If the books are really different I would like to get both if I keep the leviathan box.
Do you think we will get recruit / elite / command edition boxes with these models soon?
Probably something like it, yes. Thanks for watching!
I fortunately have ran out of models to paint (even my backlog!) so its perfect.
Was so hyped for this. Then I get to the website and they already sold out of preorders. I'll keep trying through the 2 week pre order period but it's looking like I might have to wait and buy the full release on launch day. Damn...
If someone can give me advice on the best miniatures to buy as a beginner, they will be purely for displaying on my shelves using the new AP speed paints 2.0
Me and a friend are each getting one and then splitting so I’ll have double space marines, he will have double tyranids. First priority will be building and painting a combat patrol so we can have a battle for the event via the code.
I actually like the fact that you don't necessarily _need_ the Leviathan box to start playing. Especially because there will be explicitly newbie-targeted products later down the line. Still excited, though!
The preorder is sold out less than a minute, guess I'll be saving my money for something else
Buy, split, sell, profit!
Who are you kidding! This is an Ork boxed set! All new stuff to loot and kitbash for da boyz! WAAAGH
Thanks Adam for this, very useful. I don't think I will get this for the reasons you have said. 👍👍😉
Played 2nd edition and started into a little bit of 3rd edition.
No idea if I want to get back into the game.
Let’s find out.
If i can get it for $200 before taxes ill buy it. Ill put the terminators in a badab army im starting, the flamer guys in my black templars, the dread into my marines malevolent, the stern into either my crimson fists or my alternate timeline sons of horus, and the apothecary i think into my minotaurs, the libarian is going into my horus heresy sons of horus army and the lt probably just paint him up as Ultramarines just for fun. Not sure on tyranids i like behemoth but will probably try something with a base coat of purple that goes to turquoise.
I was thinking about getting Leviathan but went for the Strike Force Agastus box instead. My budding space wolves army wanted the Brutalis dreadnought and the desolation marines filled the heavy support slot I needed. Leviathan just didn't have the marines I wanted other than new terminators.
You need to remember Atom, they need to market their starter boxes to everyone ranging from old school 40K vets to people that have never even heard of 40K before.
This means that stuff like the book needs to have a lot of fluff and art and what ever else to make it feel more full and really bring a new player into the lore, the atmosphere and just the overall gritty aesthetic of 40K.
A vet player like you might say that it’s all a little to much and to fluffy, but a brand new player might just be blown away by the sheer volume of material they’re receiving in the starter box.
I’m getting this box, and I’ve hooked up with another player to buy the SM portion of his box. Also getting it at 15% is pretty nice, so shop around fellas!
I'm waiting for mine. I just have to decide if I'm keeping the 'Nids, or giving them to my boy.
thinking of playing Eldar so this was a great vid thanks
Oh nice t-shirt where did you got it?
Gen Con last year, I think. Thanks for watching!
I've never bought any wargaming stuff, do these marines come as a specific chapter or do you choose that when you paint them? How do i start? 😭
You choose how you paint them, they can be any chapter 🙂
Preordered it through my local game store. Super excited!
I plan to grab it just for the space marines. Not sure if I will sell or keep the Tyranids yet.
So I’m extremely new to Warhammer. I like the Salamanders. I’m going to get the Salamanders War Forged box. Do these space marines work with the Salamanders space marines from the war forged box?