Are We Ruining Football?
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Buvey's opinions are ruining football
How did these 3 ever got a channel going with sponsorship?...holy shit..."90% of Gigg's runs never went anywhere"...
because you idiots keep watching and commenting. @@Lapsypah1
@@Lapsypah1Cuz it's not about being right or wrong.
@@Lapsypah1 it's provocative it gets the people going
Buvey is a wind up merchant and you are his ideal victim
Remember the Nike Ad where players like Ronaldo and Zlatan were being replaced by players that are more methodical and tactical, thats becoming more of a reality
absolutely
Things ruining football :
1. Too much influx of money in football
2. Social media Influence
3. Instant digital gratification
4. Standardizing real life football from EA FC simulation games and Fantasy football games
5. Judging players abilities with price tags
6. No Talent just athleticism needed
Honestly, I think it's more that lower level players are better than in the past. So it's harder to stand out at the top if you're opposition is better
@@Dante--X also judging players on stats, instead of actually watching games
@@SASMADBRUV7exactly the levels are higher and the game is harder for those top players.
Back in our favourite era you had great, professional players, running at teams where half of them were functioning alcoholics who had just been out the night before.
The tactics were poor so there was HUGE space for great players to use etc.
The Club, specifically, is ruining football.
Okay, but did you know about Super Six
@@akezika🤣🤣🤣
Buvey, even more specifically
Things ruining football :
1. Too much influx of money in football
2. Social media Influence
3. Instant digital gratification
4. Standardizing real life football from EA FC simulation games and Fantasy football games
5. Judging players abilities with price tags
6. No Talent just athleticism needed
@@astro9219Triggered City rival
Grealish back at Villa under Emery would be electric.
Under Pep he is a shadow of himself. He's been turned into a fucntional zombie.
As a villa fan myself I wouldn’t have as much respect for him
No way unai likes playing quick wingers where does jack get in there you’re clueless at Best
Thank god you are not City manager..You do what pep wants if wish to play for him
And he would have won how many trophies? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Grealish wouldn't start loool
The disrespect on Arsene Wenger is insane 😂
Back in the day they used to say, Arsenal always fall short because they're trying to score the perfect goal, Arsene is happy to drop the best player for the good of the system even if they lose, Arsene is always inclined to lean towards a young player who fits the system over a world class experienced player.. now they say everyone is emulating Pep 😂 the premier league is this way because of Arsene Wenger... when Arsenal were weak, and poor defensively, they still entertained neutral fans, and were capable of winning vs the likes of Stoke, West Brom and Burnley... now the likes of Luton and Sheffield United can barely scrape a draw, and everyone bar Liverpool is well regimented, healthy, athletic squads... again, what was the main thing Arsene done at Arsenal? He changed their diet, he changed their mentality, he made the badge and the next game more important than the result and the individual player... Henry didn't cry when he returned to Arsenal because he scored, he cried because it meant more than all of his excellent goals combined... Rory and his blindspots for a sport he claims to be a fan of is immense 😂
Wenger only problem was he never got rid of dead wood players and kept them on for years bentnar almunia ospina chamack kosielny mustafi sokratis cech etc pepe would have cleaned them out
Preach it Brother
@MCFCReactswhy would Arsenal build a statue for him if he’s hated Football changes every few years he was there for 20 years. He had to go. You sound stupid.
@MCFCReactshe’s not at all he has universally adored and has a statue outside the stadium you bellend
Arsene Wenger should not of been a manager maybe just a coach or DOF but he couldn't
Liverpool have scored 5 goals from outside the box in the last 3 matches, maccas was sublime, they happen less now than before but it’s not black and white
Well said
We have made a trade off, We see less long range goals but in return we have allot more last minute winners, Because teams are playing football, We have probably increased in late goals two fold, I remember 10-15 years ago people would just shoot from outside the area in hope it'll go in for a last minute equaliser, most of the time to no avail, but now teams play around the box and create a big chance which results in more late goals and many more last gasp winners.
That is very clearly because there is much more added time than there used to be which therefore naturaly encourages much more late goals. 10-15 years ago added time was no more than 4-5 minutes. Most of the time just a couple of minutes.
@@taliamason7986 Ive literally just explained why.
@@jimjogger306I disagree with your opinion man I’m ngl teams still played around teams
@@ebz2656 i didnt say they didnt, What im saying is because the style of play has changed you see allot more of it now, Its not even a debate, everyone who watches football knows its changed 😕
Trent Alexander-Arnold is a "maverick"-type player. Unique, high-risk-high-reward style. And people slag him off constantly. Huge portions of the BPL fanbase think he's a sub-standard player "with a decent pass." Trent benefits from a manager with unwavering belief in him, and a fanbase who loves him in a way only a local lad can be loved. In almost any other setting, the originality of Trent would have been beaten out of him by now.
Wellll said
No at another club he would have been in the midfield from the start, he’s always been a rubbish defender and Klopp shoehorning him into that position made that flaw stand out.
@@andrew_l1900 You should give Klopp coaching lessons. He has much to learn from someone like you.
Well said dude
@@andrew_l1900then why is Klopp a CL winning manager and you are not?
Things ruining football :
1. Too much influx of money in football
2. Social media Influence
3. Instant digital gratification
4. Standardizing real life football from EA FC simulation games and Fantasy football games
5. Judging players abilities with price tags
6. No Talent just athleticism needed
7. Stupid assessment called "Stats" taking away the Individual performances on the pitch
Yeah bc no one ever won titles bc of money before... (Blackburn, Man United, Chelsea, Barca, R. madrid)
6 th point is so wrong I'd argue you need more talent now then before. Modern game expects defenders to have good passing Fullbacla to play like midfielders
1. I agree, but that's down to viewership, they need to cap wages or something which would make it fair (like the NBA)
2. Why and how? I get toxic fans
3. Again why? Because people don't watch MOTD to get bias/terrible punditry?
4. I'm not sure what you mean? Do adults actually play FIFA and think it's what real football should be?
5. Id disagree because less talented players are now mad money,
6. The top 0.0001% of athletes aren't talented?
7. I agree, long gone are the Yannick bolasie's who just played for fun
And.... Impatience.
yet football has never been better
Why is Arteta in the thumbnail when you didn't even say his name once.
Gabriel Jesus has a pretty free role for Arsenal
The # 10 role, the most creative player on the field that position has been phased out
In video games they have this thing called as Meta (what's the optimal strategy) and the current meta unfortunately is very robotic and disciplined football which might not be for everyone.
Klopp is a good example of anti meta where he plays really electric and wild football!
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The meta before this meta was. All for One
build a team around Messi, Build a team around Ronaldo, Build a team around Neymar.
I think this is a natural progression of football. The historically maverick footballers are arguated at the same quality levelers most professional players nowadays, at least at the top leagues. Therefore, I believe the move towards being more of a complete team sport is natural to try and find the fine margins to win. No one player with exceptions of Messi, Ronaldo etc. Have the talent ceiling to individually impact games consistently.
The thing about comparing older generation players to teams today is that we forget that they would have the same training, upbringing and benefits of players today. So if you dropped a top player in from 2000 to 2023, you would expect them to play to the same tactical standards.
Example, Henry, all I would care about is his pace, touch and goal IQ the tactics of his game I would imagine would adapt. I would expect that if a 25-27 year old Henry was playing for Arsenal today he would 100% have to press and work within the system.
Looking at the old style of long balls it just wouldn't fly in this game it's too low %. You would give the ball away so much.
4:00 the only player attempting those was Rudiger. Funnily enough one of the most original and unique characters Football has seen in recent years
Leao for Milan is a Maverick and takes on defenders and beats them with ease almost every match. better than Doku imo
Mac Alastair just popped one in from about 35 yards on Sunday
Lol pic of Arteta in the thumbnail to drive traffic even though this conversation has nothing to do with him and his sensational Arsenal team. All the while they are here talking absolute nonsense as usual.
Talks about Pep yet the thumbnail says Arteta. Pure class guys. 👍🏻
Everything's Arteta's fault, didn't you know? Death of football? Arteta. Inflation? Arteta again. Even the shit weather is probably on Arteta.
Stats and data have taken over, it’s less risk to work the ball into the box than try a 35 yard belter
Let's keep it a buck tho ;
35 yard belter
3 point shoot from the logo... Are bad shots 🤷♂️
Football italia on channel 4 was so good as a kid vincenzo montella and christian vieri were beasts
Thinking into it too much boys every team has that one player who’s a maverick and the reason the teams at the top of the table play the same is because they play beautiful football
Love the videos guys keep it up ❤
Imagine a modern era team comprised solely of maverick squad of talented misfits with highly irascible outlaw Manager
Liverpool vs Fulham 🤩🤩 good game that shows the opposite of what they are talking abt truely a very good match
Klopp is the only coach who allows players to be themselves
Probably why he's only won 1 league title in 8 years at Liverpool
@@asddonnand the cheating from city
Ancelloti too
@@asddonn Pandemic PL title🤡
Manchester United whole team are themselves
Love how the picture in thumbnail is Arteta. The hatred is ridiculous.
Arteta brings it on himself.
I reckon if you look into the stats you’ll see a similar number of goals are scored outside the box most seasons and each season one or two players get 5 or 6 from outside the box I’ve seen plenty from De Bruyne and Erickson there might be the odd freak year when Ronaldo or Bale were at their peaks in the English game.
Look at the championship... They all hoof it from outside the box
its proved players take less shots from distance these days.
Great Italian footballers and you don't mention Roberto Baggio or Paolo Maldini?
Did you want him to go on for 5 minutes listing every great Italian player? HE only needed 3 to make the point.
I think Liverpool still score screamers from outside the box!
I think this is a topic that needs its own video. Give this its own podcast because I think this is an important transition of football that can’t really be summed up in 15 mins. Great discussion though right up my street.
Arsenal play nothing like City. Look at the freedom that Jesus gets, no one knew how good of a dribbler he was until he left City. Similar things could be said for Odegaard too
Everyone knew Jesus was a good dribbler at city, what are you on about
@@sydney9766 not everyone did. A lot of fans were surprised.
When you see what Pep has done to the likes of Grealish, Mahrez and even Bernardo Silva to an extent it's easy to see why
@@jh4892 grealish is the only one with a shout in this list, Mahrez and Silva changed sure but they still have their individual qualities shine through, Silva is probably the best dribbler in the league and Mahrez first touch cut inside was lethal to teams even under Pep
@@sydney9766 i agree with what you're saying to an extent about Mahrez and Silva but Mahrez specifically had much more of a free role at Leicester. And he was allowed to dribble in more instances there. Obviously playing with way better players at city means you wouldn't have as much responsibility going forward, but it's also partly down to the coaching.
Totally agree with rory!.... but what about that ruediger goal vs Brentford?
Modern day tactics are far more effective but way less enjoyable to watch. United v Chelsea was a prime example. The tactics were all over the place and it was complete chaos, made it possibly the most entertaining game of the season so far to watch.
It's true because think of the new era of midfielders Bellingham, Foden, Pedri, Gavi, Musiala - they rarely shoot from outside the box I wouldn't even be surprised if combined they hadn't even scored 10 goals from outside the box and they've probably scored over 150 goals between them. Compared to Pirlo, Xavi, Scholes, Gerrard, Lampard, Ballack, Zidane, Rivaldo, Kaka of 20 years ago.
Adding* to the conversation Lads always!
Defenders not allowed to tackle now days has ruined football (whether that's to do with high wages to an injured player, I don't know) makes sense to run into the box and get close knowing if anyone touches you it's a penalty or free kick, why try kick a moving ball and potentially give the ball back to the opposition. It's getting like basketball in that regard you wait and see whether they miss a 3 pointer or slam dunk, then its you're turn.
I think all sports are going through this I think the it has to do with lower end players are way better then they were in the past which makes the skill gap way less and just having more systems where it’s more of a team game then banking on a player like Messi running through I team game in game out
Yes you are
U guys doing live calls with the public would be great entertainment
I'm looking forward to Rory's next video entitled, "Are We Saving Football?" Guy's opinions never stay the same for more than a day. But then, that's why we love our little drama merchant!
Real Madrid won a Champion's League trophy based entirely on chaos and improvisation.
Why is arteta the thumbnail when the topic is pep ruining players
The 3-box-3 formation, jdp, only being allowed to shoot inside the box after receiving a cutback. I hate it.
This 'box' midfield is just anti football tbh. I'm hoping it starts to produce some nice football but atm it's all a bit Gareth southgate 😅
Totti of today was Harry Kane until he was hounded out of Spurs and told he had to win something. Too many players are told to move to win stuff and sacrifice their game for the system. Look at Grealish, they’ve massacred my boy.
Harry Kane had too go though he’s far too good for spurs
@@MeleftnutHe also cost us at time. Champions League final he should have been on the bench. No player is bigger than the club.
@@WilliamGarrow I’d agree with that only because he wasn’t 100% fit
@@WilliamGarrow Poch was scared to bench him. It’s on him. If you ask anyone “are you fit to play a UCL final” there answer would and should be yes.
Mac allister and trent has entered rhe chat 😂
I swear we hear this every season, but there's always stunning goals. The biggest difference imo is footballers are better athletes now and the game is so much faster.
Yes, there are always stunning goals but in general play, the brilliance of an individual has vastly dropped. City are the perfect example of this, there is a reason so many people say their games are boring. Because they attempt to go down the left, get cut off, bring it back across the pitch to go down right, get cut off, bring it back across the pitch to go down the left, so on so on. Rather than taking a player on. Granted Doku is at least trying it but that is the point.
Tifo talked about this increasing in rigid tactics on their podcast ages ago
And they showed throughout the history of tactics that it just goes in and out of style like a cycle. So teams that play with more flair and more freedom will come back eventually cause teams like Real Madrid have shown they the rigid style teams can be beaten this way
If you want to watch more teams full of mavericks that watch the South American teams, their still full of it
Yer , all you have to do is buy all the top players like Real Madrid do .
Gazza is walking in any team in the world, right now. What are you guys on??? Matt Le Tissier would press more nowadays more then Salah, Rashford and Saka. You don't need to be a headless chicken to be able to press. Why would Matt Le Tissier just walk around while the whole team is pressing?
Sure football is more functional and Pep has made an impact but so did Klopp in bringing in development to get his team to press at a standard throughout the season. Moneyball might have been influenced by Wenger but it was the Liverpool owner John Henry who jumped on it after it became a thing in baseball. Liverpool do football's version of moneyball for sure. Klopp isn't opposed.
Its harder to win with someone not working as hard case & point psg having 2 free roam players. But football comes full circle true 10s will return. Football is more beautiful now in my opinion apart from Brazil losing its "Brazilness", nostalgia plays a row in people's perception, try watching some old games it's not as good as people say. They are obviously generational teams like Scaloni's teams n The great Ajax teams.
This discussion needs to be a bigger one as there are so many things to dicuss. Especially with the advent of technology, which seeks perfection only, no errors allowed, nothing messy.
Thats not what we love about the game. Thats why i have always pushed back on those who are criticizing Refs so harshly. You cannot expect a Ref to be 100% right on everything all the time. There are too many variables, the game is too fast. And I am ok with that. In the Villa v City match, we didn't need VAR, the Ref was great, wasn't perfect and it was fantastic to moan about the ref after the match just like old times ... :)
Anyway I digress, I miss diving headers, you rarely see them. Headers though still happen often, did you not see Watkins brilliant header against Bournmouth? Worth seeing again.
Per managers, I think we yearn for that maverick, its why we like Ange. And I think Emery potentially has the right balance too.
He does like to test the opposition, early. Has no problem with risk with his oftrn criticized high line offside trap that also acts as a way to push Villa forward. He will have a tactical plan for the whole game, isn't adverse to playing two strikers up front etc And he does like the element ofsurprise. He wants his players to enjoy their football, to be free to express themselves and he includes that into his tactical plan as he knows that often wins matches...
I’m a Chelsea fan, money first ruined football and now VAR is putting the nail in the coffin
Yeah your 'Sunderland fc with Russian oil money ' ruined everyone. 🤦♂️🤡🤡
Yeah a Chelsea fan saying this is Rich. It was Chelsea that started it 😂
Yeah I've been thinking about this for a while too. The stars of the game used to be the players. Now it's almost like the stars are the managers. I mean, Pep used to say that he can't influence the game much as a manager and it's all down to the players, but here we are huh? You look at something like the Ballon d'Or. The biggest candidates for the Ballon d'Or nowadays (outside of Messi) is just who scores the most goals in the best team in the world. I mean, these players are cogs in the system. Are they still great players? Yeah sure, but what about the Neymars of the world? All these modern improved facilities mean that players spend less time training/practicing just controlling the ball and playing with the ball, and way more on physical attributes because data tells you that these are the things that will help you improve in a pressing system
Managers want control and want control through possession and high probability play, its just a phase of the philosophy of the game that will pass while having lasting effects on the game like every phase of philosophy
Don't you watch Trent and Szoboszlai play? They are allowed to go for the spectacular by Klopp.
Berbatov is 3 times the player of Bobby firmino? Is Adam having a laugh 😂😂
Very good question...
I have admired Pep as a winning manager, but I have never enjoyed watching City, too boring to watch, always preferred Liverpool.
As a Villa fan, its been very sad to watch Jack lose that maverick spark. Weirdly or maybe not as he is a talented footballer he has improved and become technically a better player, holding the ball, helping out defence and even starting attacks from the back. But there's no spark... unless he plays for England where sometimes a spark will light up... sadly Southgate prefers the Pep Jack vs Maverick Jack 😢
Keepers are SOOOO much better.
Can we get 40 yards screamers against Alisson…?
Would anyone even try?
Own half goals are a thing of the past because they would never score them (unless it’s way lower leagues.)
Allisson isn’t better than casillas neuer Buffon etc
4:12 What about Rudiger's screamer in the last season for you Rory? Was that not from 35 yards?
I came seeing Arteta but nopppp bare waffle welcomed me 😂😂
Yes you are. You lot. You three are. Thanks for bringing it up.
This topic needs a revisiting because everything Rory said is bang on
Umm. Trent Alexander Arnold is inventing the right back position.
I hear what Rory is saying but ultimately, I want my team to keep the ball and create an abundance of chances not waste shots every 5 minutes trying to score a worldie. Arsenal fans will remember last season when we were 3-3 against Southampton and Partey decides to shoot from 30 yards instead of keeping the pressure on and going wide.
hes just salty that city is doing what chelsea have done all the time, but doing it better
The individualism has been coached out of them. Perfect example - Jack Grealish. Absolute maverick at Villa, could win a game on his own. Now he's just another cog in Guardiola's machine. I can't think of any better poster boy for modern football than Erling Haaland - a giant Ivan drago athlete who exists to just finish 30 pass moves about 3 yards from goal.
Bellingham is a good example but isn’t a great example. Madrid are probably the furthest team from a system team in Europe. Ancelotti has always been big on free flowing football. Only reason I say it’s good is because Bellingham does somewhat play a striker role in their new formation.
yes
Getting "music hasn't been good since 1992" vibes from this
I think a telling sign is when the biggest games become a real hard watch in terms of entertainment. Even 10 years ago a Chelsea vs Man United was almost always an incredible watch, when i watch now a Liverpool, United, Man City, Arsenal head to head clash i find the actual game itself massively boring. I will never stop watching because i like many have been playing, watching football for 30 years but the game has become really stagnant.
I mean it's obvious, managers have a job to do and that is to win games and the way you win games is by scoring the most goals possible. They view the best way to score goals is to get the ball into positions where their chances of converting is at its maximum. Your chances of scoring is a lot less likely if you shoot from 30+ yards than if you work it to the 6 yard box and square it for a tap in. That's why Pep has City work it to the byline and it's actually what Wenger started when he first joined Arsenal.
Same thing applies to long balls. The reason team play from the back is because if you play it long you are effectively giving up possession and making it a 50/50 ball. Keeping it on the floor and working it up the pitch play by play doesn't only give you chance to create something but I prevents the opposition from making something.
Football is a tactical game of chance
Sytems win games but are not attractive, I can only think of one goal of Halland that I really like and he has how many? Over 50 with the City shirt?
Dude Thierry Henry stated that Pepism when he was at Barcelona
Suarez with us from 2011 to 2014. I think Rodgers basically let him do whatever he wanted within a bit of a framework for the team.
rorys the biggest nostalgia merchant
Eto'o, Henry, and Ibra all have great stories about this kind of thing at Barca with Pep. Even when they scored, bc they didn't do what was specifically asked of them. They get subbed and benched for multiple games after that. People talk about the Germany national team directly attributing Pep to the downfall of their success. People in Brazil attribute all their best players coming to Europe as a reason they dont play "their" style of football.
I think quick counter attacking football or last-minute desperation is the only time managers will turn a blind eye these days.
Mario Mandzukic felt the same way at Bayern Munich when Pep arrived after their first treble.
Football used to be artistical but now it has become more like chess killing of the creativity to increase efficiency.
When art is reduced to science it loses what made it art to start with
Dude, wake up and smell the Real Madrid. I mean Bellingham is literally free to do what he wishes. Ancelotti's whole philosophy is not to over coach.
Man Utd, Chelsea and Man City fans makes this the most ironic video of all time lol
Are we ruining football ? “This video js sponsored by Super 6”
Social media and after 10 decent passes players like mudryk and caicedo or Antony are rated so highly... 70+ mil what a joke!
This is truly ruining football because we don't give value to magic
Rory saying he only seen the free roam with Messi as if he didn’t watch Eden hazard at chelsea
Player does something that fits the Maverick profile and goes wrong.
Rory: he’s a disgrace
Watch AFCON for ridiculous long shot attempts. You’ll thank god tiki-taka was invented by half time
The whole video is basically Rory making references to things that happened in the 2000s. The era of the Russian oligarch's club and their bought trophies.
David Luiz free kick vs Fulham maybe ?
The fact Rashford is a footballer shows you what is ruining football! Just have to run fast ,be healthy, learn to cut in and shoot! These players dont look like they have watched a game in there lives and do exactly what the manager teaches them to do and why all players are pretty much the same. Look at Grealish he used to be a free player now he's just a cog
Yes
Money first and foremost,its hard to motivate players to want to win a football match when they get paid half a million a week either way
Have your ever watched Ciro Immobile?
Tottenham fan, desperate to see Bissouma take his long shots again.
The Rory comment about Michael Essien and how no one does that anymore. He’s forgetting the Kovacic Volley against Liverpool last season (2-2) 😂
To be fair it wasn't as far out as essiens thunderbasterd, but I get you. As a generalisation I agree with Rory
The only positive about this new age football is I can't head a ball to save my life and I'm the 6'2 big lad that's meant to win every header but the ball never goes in the air
In the Phil Foden hypothetical: Thierry Henry spoke of going rogue at Barcelona and it resulting in a goal, only for him to get subbed off afterwards. Guess the manager.
Football needs to be played how it is in Argentina. Believe me watch a game In Argentina, it’s like the old times.
This is exactly why win or lose i enjoyed leeds aggressive play over mancity any day
fun fact: less shots are being taken from outside the box than 10 years ago, and has been declining year on year. However, more goals are being scored from outside than ever before. quality > quantity
It's not a coincidence that the time line coincides with lampard, gerrard ect retired or moved onto America
Rory says all this but will call Tottenham naive for their tactics
That essien comment, didnt luiz score a better one years later?😂
Been saying this for ages. There are no more Ronaldinho, Zidane, Pirlo type players anymore, even Berbatov, Ben Arfa them players are a thing of the past