Soviet Historical Presets & Divisions ONLY In HOI4
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- čas přidán 2. 11. 2023
- Last time, I tasted the historical presets and used only historical divisions in HOI4 for Germany. But what about the Soviet Union? Are their presets any good? Let's find out!
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Historical presets are a really cool idea, especially when combined with historical division designs, and mean that you can have tanks and planes in HOI4 without having to learn the designer. So let's find out if they are any good for the Soviet Union! PLUS let's also assess REAL historical divisions, to find out if Mr Stalin was any kind of smart.
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Wish they had division presets for accuracy and stuff
Maybe in the next update
They would have to change the units themselves too, generally they have way too little manpower, especially artillery which has not even a third of what it should
Some mods have
Only in the new overpriced 20$ dlc!
no you dont, you really fuckin dont. have you seen the historical german infantry division? its crap in hoi and so are most other ones
This challenge kinda makes me wish for a gamemode with historical presets only, that includes all equipment, division templates and doctrines.
I NEED this as a mod now - imagine an MP game with only historical presets!!
@@Aldrahilldoes Black Ice count ?
ngl i would play it out of laziness to design my own templates
I feel like Hoi4 would benefit from more starting scenarios
Yeah do this in black ice. Now that would be pain@@Aldrahill
This challenge would work so well (or badly) in Black ICE
For the true pain enthusiasts
it's not THAT painful in black ice because you start with 5000 light tanks there. granted they are basically tractors with a gun, but you wont have a deficit at least. you would need to use a lot of infantry brigades tho (3xinf + some art) because using divisions only is pain. however the tanks... yeah, the soviets didn't use tank DIVISIONS (25 width in black ice, 20 width vanilla) they used tank CORPS ( 37.5 width black ice, 30 width vanilla) that... is indeed pain.
@@DevilP3To be factual here, Soviets did use tank divisions at start when they all got destroyed. Instead, brigades were formed and over time they got concentrated into tank corps, which were more in size of division, when you compare them with Allied and German tank divisions.
@@aleksaradojicic8114 I see! thanks mate, i thought since they were corps the soviets were just concentrating a lot of firepower to push back harder. Maybe they where just slightly bigger (like how the video uses a 28 width division) but in black ice a lot of that extra firepower comes as support companies (light tank recon and heavy artillery for example). Going historical in BICE then is no problem and probably a lot fun! if you survive Barbarossa that is ;^)
@@DevilP3 In Soviet case, it was more elimination of levels of command, for which Soviets did not had enough officers. As such, goal was to get most simplistic organisation with less levels of command, which could still work.
You’ll probably have fun with Britain, their tank designs look amazing, Comet Cromwell and Crusader are fast and pretty well armored. Idk about their divisions tho
Absolutely! Definitely looking forward to making that :)
Sure! 2 battalions of maids to make tea, 2 battalions of light tanks, mediums and 1 battalion of royal Navy and 1 battalion of Churchill heavy tank and not to forget 1 battalion of historians who claimed it was all them who evacuated Dunkirk and french had no part in it while denying they didn't have part in famines in India
@@danishkfd Don't forget 1 batallion for propagandists, 1 batallion of writers and 3 batallions of dentists.
What I learned from this video is that the in-game industrial output of military factories greatly underestimates what even poorer countries could produce in that time period.
A very cogent takeaway tbh yeah
Oh this is a fun idea. I think part of why the air war turned was them covering larger air zones from worse air bases.
Though if you do this for more countries im pretty sure youll keep seeing the no-org tank divisions. Both because of how paradox models it and because they really didnt put enough infantry in earlier divisions historically.
Definitely agree on the air - and yeah, hoi4 modelling for tank divisions ain’t so good :P
That's a realy neat concept you've got there! I realy like the amount of work you used in researchs about this. Love you man!
Thank you so much buddy! If people continue to enjoy it, I’ll keep making them! What’s next do you think? UK? japan?
@@Aldrahilli guess france is the one, brother
@@Aldrahill UK and Japan would be great, one playtrough that would be realy hard on both gameplay and harsh for Historical presets & divisions would be PRC, cannot how hard ot must be to play Mao while following historical presets and such
2:03 it's likely representing a later version of the aircraft that did indeed have cannons. Both versions are historical configurations of I16s. Specifically, the starting one represents something along the lines of an I16 Type 4, which was the initial production model. The preset is more indicative of an I16 type 12 which had an improved engine and upgraded armaments.
You should obey the treaty of Versailles as Germany like you did with Hungary
A Russian rifle division in 1939 had 6 artillery battalions, not 2. Yes, the in-game artillery battalions feature 36 guns, but they also feature only 500 manpower, i.e. it's a single battalion. Equipment in the game includes more than just the weapon or vehicle it's labelled after, while 1 manpower really is just 1 man (that being said the game is missing a number of MP sinks, but that doesn't factor into this). My view on this has been confirmed by a HoI4 dev as accurate.
I've done a fair amount of research on the composition of Russian rifle divisions and come to the conclusion that in order to emulate the late-30s template with a tank battalion of 19,350 men (some even had two tank battalions, raising the number of men higher) as much as possible, you'd need 12 infantry, 6 artillery, 2 anti-air, 1 anti-tank, 1 light armour line battalions, and 1 engineer, 1 light armoured recon, 1 hospital, 1 signals and 1 logistics support battalion (renamed to companies post-release in HoI4, but size-wise they remain battalions). It's been over two years since I did my research on this, but I'm pretty sure there should also be 1 maintenance and another engineer battalion as well. Obviously you can't have more than 5 support battalions in-game though, each of which are unique. Doesn't matter though as the line battalions don't fit the designer either, even pre-AAT. Even less so now.
Agreed on that, but it seemed that the number of artillery should be the deciding factor, not the manpower assigned, especially as it’s the guns that matter when it comes to artillery!
Plus, if I did it totally like that, the divisions would be nigh won unusable, with super low org :P
idk the close support t-32 looks more like a t-28 in my very professional opinion
Fun fact - the LAGG-3 fighter was called a flying coffin by the troops (it makes sense in russian) because it was made of wood and caught fire easily. Which is entirely not represented in the game...
A lot of vehicles have - in many different armies - been called 'coffin' in various variations. Tanks, airplanes, etc. The LAGG was translated as Lakirovany Grob, that is 'lacquered coffin'.
@@Alsemenor i know. yes, i know that. i know the language.
From what I see, pdox made some mistakes creating the presets. Like the one with T-34 it also with LaGG plane. Irl they used V12 engine, not radial one.
12:08 because this is what they were before the war. Tank corps made of light tank division, heavy tank brigade and motorized inf division
Subbed - this is the kind of nerdy effort I need
You’re my kind of people ;)
Nice research work, I enjoyed a lot. I would recommend that you keep an eye on simple thing though: the manpower issues, the thing with the front line and the fallback line, not hiring any officer corps... But as I said, I really enjoyed the video!
I love this series man, if you ever get around to it France will be very, VERY interesting haha (the templates are utterly awful, and makes the B1 tank so bad haha).
Anyhow, maybe you should consider using the templates while modifying them to fit the time period weapons so you could avoid the T-34 issue, as well maybe allow the focus tanks (my poor KV1). Maybe put it up to poll! Or whatever makes this fun, HoI4 can get tedious and I am sure these challenges spice it up. Either way, love the series and will continue to watch. Thanks!
Thank you SO much buddy that’s super kind of you to say :) yeah France will interesting to say the least xD I’m definitely gonna do them, Britain, and Japan as well, and we’ll see where we go from there and if people still like it!
@@Aldrahill have fun with the "division cuirassé". and don't forget the 7th company!
Nice concept, but you missed quite a few steps actually. One was, after Winter war, Soviets realized in middle of 1940 that tank battalions in rifle divisions were quite weak forces (especially because they didn't had integrated repair and maintenance units like tank brigades did), so they were removed by early 1941, although many rifle divisions did retain about a company of tanks (16 tanks). That allowed Soviets to commit theur armour starting in June 1940 to first 8 tank, later mechanized corps. Each corps was meant to have two tank, one mechanized division and a motorcycle regiment (motorcycles and armoured car battalion), totaling some 36,000 men, 1,030 tanks and over 200 armoured cars. Each tank division was meant to have two tank, one motorised and a artillery regiment. Each mechanized division was meant to have one tank and two motorised regiment. Although quite ambitious project, Stalin made it ridiculously worse and decided it was a great idea to create out of blue another 22 mechanized corps, so majority of them by Barbarossa had less than half of their armour, and seriously lacked in pretty much everything but manpower. Also, don't forget that cavalry Divisions also had a light tank regiment (more like a battalion sized unit). Also, airborne corps had amphibious tank battalion.
Indeed I definitely missed A LOT but there was only so much I could include or research :P plus I thought breaking it down month by month would be too much in one video.
Still though, where were you when I was doing my initial research! This woulda been great :D
Great vid!! Really interesting!!
Thank you so much! Next two videos are cities skylines 2 and a vic 3 one, but after that (next Friday) I’m doing another one just like this with a different country :)
To win air superiority always prioritize airzone coverage ie building optimally placed airfields. Awesome content!
Very true, Is hould've done that 100$
Think you'll try the historical presets with the US, UK, JP, or China?
Pretty much just "insert country that participated here"
Definitely! This seems to be a popular idea, so I think I'll keep it going! :) Definitely yes to all 4 suggestions! The research will be KILLER though
@@Aldrahill Alright, well good luck on the research sir
I have been looking forward to this exact type of video since I first found hoi4 in 19 and especially since by blood alone
Oh DAMN that is an incredible compliment! More coming just like this incredibly soon, doing Italy for Friday :)
Focus tree / tech tree variations should definitely count as buildable presets.
I really enjoyed this challenge as well as the Germany one. Maybe do this as the USA (island hopping in the Pacific then D-Day in Europe) as well as for Britain (North Africa campaign + defending the Raj/British Malaya from the Japanese. Then using paratroops for Operation Market Garden).
Thank you so much! I will definitely be doing more like this, so I super appreciate the suggestion :) next video is cities skylines 2, but after that it’s another like this! Just need to decide which country!
Great one!
What a video man love the concept
Thank you so much! Did a Germany one a few weeks ago, going to do Italy next week! :) some cities skylines 2 in the meantime though!
Italian tanks 😬😬@@Aldrahill
THE PAIN
Do more it's interesting when you do historical versions of the divisons and battalions of armys.
*armies
Thank you! I definitely will !
Bruh... forgot about free trade, army advisors and had his tank div at 4.2 speed. but hey: a win is a win :D
Tell me about it, how stupid can I be xD
Very excited for US, UK, and Japan with historical ship designs if possible. Either way, Japanese template tanks and the historical strategies for all of them will be very entertaining.
I am too! Super stoked for them all :) next one NEXT Friday is going to be Italy, but this Friday I have a Poland HOI4 video that’s a bit different that I hope you’ll enjoy as well :D
awesome video but just one thing, the 'SP artillery' in soviet WW2 divisions is actually refering to SP anti-tank vehicles (e.g. SU85, SU100). No clue why this is the case but hey ho. can be seen in the chart you used at 17:05 aswel
Ahh interesting! Mistakes are inevitable I guess :P glad I didn’t see that though, AT would’ve been useless for me!
You need to do Poland historical presets now, it would be pretty hard but also exciting if you can actually do it
Oh GOD bring on the cavalry hordes xD
my man didn't go full on desperate and made the penal battalions
I eyed up that penal battalion focus, but I didn’t think my line could stomach any more shitter divisions :P thank god I didn’t lose too many infantry in the first attack!
Oh crazy I didn’t even know the preset changed your equipment. I thought it was just cosmetic. Lol
I'm really liking this historical division formula of videos.
Thank you so much! Hard at work on the next one!
@@Aldrahill One part unit restriction challenge. One part frustrating history. Also a playstyle challenge. Just layering up the layers of difficulty.
YES that’s exactly why I think it works :)
@@Aldrahill I think bittersteel has stopped doing it at this point but maybe you should try the "I am my own worst enemy challenge." You play a country with an early power curve for the start of the game. Then switch to one of the countries it will go to war with. On the one hand the country you were playing as has a superior military industrial complex turning out the best equipment with player designed divisions tanks aircraft and boats that are much better than stock. The country you have now change to has none of those things and is potentially in an even worse state than the start of the game as it may have suffered a civil war or other self-destructive internal event wasting resources and time.
Thank you for such an interesting video and oh, please don’t be offended, but you said “Operation Bagration” so funny! 😂This name of a Russian general of Georgian origin sounds completely different in Russian, so at first I didn’t even understand what exactly you said. 😅
Hah no worries at all, I’m glad you enjoyed it! More to come soon! :)
i remember when i first got into the game, i played a britain game with extreme larp using only historical division templates
the worst part is even though i had cavalry in my artillery units, it actually worked better than real life since france never fell
Extreme larp is a great name to give this style of play :D
banger series
Damn dude thank you! Next vid is cities skylines 2, but after that, gonna keep this going! :)
Let's see how the winter war will go
Now it is time for the other major, the USA, and try to include the Fleet in it with historical templates (for majors the ship components have custom names) and build quantities. Good luck.
Oh GOD the shop design research will be intense xD
The quantities will be impossible
You had so much bad supply during the war. Was it due to focusing on the presets that you could not focus on building up your supply network? A great video all in all. Clearly a lot of effort spent. But man o man the supply :)
Yeah I should've invested more in my supply network :) And thank you! TONS of work went into this, as well as the last one, and going to make more soon :)
I know you keep asking why and probably know why, but, the reason the presets aren't the same as the ones you start with is because most of these vehicles got/get modified as time goes on, for example, the I-15 actually became a valued ground attacker in the Caucuses later on, but at the start its just a standard biplane fighter that got shredded up before that conversion.
That I-15 with the cannon actually loses its machine guns later too iirc.
Do the presets actually reflect the historical layouts of the planes or is it just the best parts you have bu category.
They are indeed supposed to represent the historical layouts, as BEST as PDX can manage :P Oftentimes... not so much though
i feel like the tech tree variants should count aswell, especially since you only get the early t 34 this way
Do uk next they had odd concept for the infranty tanks and cruiser tanks probably be most unique
Really looking forward to that one! Next up is Italy, sadly :P but UK is coming soon!
16:19 What? T-44 never saw combat in the world war. I suppose you are right in that they did have SOME of them around in a stockpile
Ah good point! Well, I always said I was doing presets, not only building what they only built, so I’m happy to have built them - goddamn glad I did too, because the t34 wasn’t cutting it!
i love the videos! one question tho, it says to use presets i haft to have a blueprint..? how do you use yours from the start?
Not sure about blueprint? You need the techs to be able to make certain presets, so it could be that?
@@Aldrahill it says "Historical Presets can only be accessed from a blueprint chassis ot hull."
You're going to have to research tank chassis
@@andreykravchenko6829i have the tank chassis, but still doesnt allow me to view presets
@@qwertyui_uwu hmmm, if you're trying to use presets as the ussr, some of them require you to finish certain focuses. Other than that you might also need to research artillery, anti-tank, tank engine, and armour technologies
Nice video
Thanks! More coming soon :)
Do you have a schedule? @@Aldrahill
Yes! New HOI4 videos EVERY Friday, and a bonus extra video every other Tuesday :) The next video like is coming next Friday! @@Geralt0frivia_
Oh that's cool, I'll be waitting for the next video thanks for letting me know !! (: @@Aldrahill
Nice
They gave the BT-7 preset rivited armor, but that was the BT-5 not the BT-7
Oh that's apparently where their 10 m manpower gone ) with this beautiful templates my eyes bleeding
Oh yeah, it was a huge waste of men xD
IRL the Mech Korps would "Unravel" as they approached the front.
"Historical Game"
10:24: The King's Party seems very popular.
So cursed, yet so beautiful
Can you post the links to the sites where you got the division information?
niehorster.org and tmg110.tripod.com are where I got a LOT, but I researched a lot elsewhere, those sites were just the best ones to show my research visually.
"Playing historical in HOI4" oh brother...
Where do you find historical divs templates? I was trying to find them, but I didn't.
Hey, I googled a LOT but things like the USA Army history sites, a site called tmg110, and niehorster.org were MASSIVE for me :) Just google aplenty and check your sources!
@@Aldrahill thanks
Close support cannon would likely be more accurate for the T-32 as the first T-34s had short-barrelled 76mm howitzers
Yeah that makes sense :)
Good video I enjoyed it
Thanks bud :)
7:15 I'll ask you to come to your senses. The 76-mm gun on the T-34 was not "crappy" at all. At one time, they passed under the category of antimaterial guns, because the Germans did not physically have armored vehicles that could withstand the shelling from these guns before the mass appearance of Tigers (they did not appear en masse).
That’s true, it was pretty banging when compared to other armored vehicles of its time, but you can’t deny that the 85 ZiS wasn’t a welcome upgrade!
@@Aldrahill Of course! What could be better than an antimatter cannon? A larger caliber antimaterial cannon 👍
Worrying about Stalins paranoia while literally playing as Stalin is hilarious. 😂😂😂 Also, I wish you could specify how many weapons each division gets. I want to build a fully historical USA.
Broke your own rule with the mech
Historical Soviet Union
spends like 8 years on Free Trade
lolololololl
I am dumb :(
@@Aldrahill it's okay don't worry! it definitely made things more fun to watch! :D
Please do this with Italy
Thank you for the search, can you do the same with Japan?
Definitely on my list! :)
You forgot the disbansion of mechqanised corps, the TOE changes in July and December 41 etc.
i recommend askey Nigel.
YES indeed I totally forgot about mechanised forces as I was pushing heavily
Want to see Britain/US video like this.
Definitely, it’s on the list! Next one is itsly next Friday :)
Mustache man??
Comrade Stalin!!
等等，不能用上次"德軍歷史裝備與部隊"的存檔嗎?
這樣真實地打起來才夠歷史還原啊
I think they intended to use preset, but then balanced it
How did you get the divisions
Tons of research! Mostly a lot of googling, tbh
Italy next
"The Centre" being on the left makes perfect sense for the Soviet Union.
The Bolsheviks had a history of lying about what they were. Their name meant "the majority." They were more than often not.
Furthermore, the Bolsheviks LOST the elections in Russia. Lenin threw a fit and decided the Bolsheviks won anyway.
You should do Italy next, lol
The pain
You should try as france
My worry is that I’ll basically just die and have to play the rest of the game in exile xD
you should do the same as minors, like Poland. Maybe, as an added challenge, use the historical division count :)
Oh god some countries would be tragic! :P
@@Aldrahill it is doable!
I've done historical Lithuania with historical division templates, albeit I didn't use historical tanks or their presets, but wouldn't have effected much since you barely get any tanks.
Wheres vasily chuikov as a general? You have to use him when doing a historical run through. Stalingrad!
He was there! I did actually use him I believe :)
Bro. His stats seem to blow up. In my last run through he had 11 attack and that was before Barbarossa. (Attacked turkey, Romania ect.)
Cant wait for historical presets new zeland
BOB SEMPLE ONLY
This is where the pain begins. As Soviet units where not just smaller then units from every other nation but they where also always undermanned
It truly was AGONY
Cool video, now try it with Italian tanks.
I have just the video for you ;)
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This might sound silly but how do you get so many full divisions so early??? by 1944 USA i don't even have 5 full armies
how? 1944 usa has tones of mils, manpower and you should have plenty of guns. Are you using normal 21 width divisions for your infantry because I usually have at least 10 armies as the us.
I built civs until 39 and mils after that and build as many divs as I can!
It may just be the size of your divisions. The historical divisions he used where realitivly small in comparison to the pre AAT meta of massive 42 width divisions that you maybe using. That and the USSR has a crazy industry and manpower pool.
@@akumu9188 i normally use 20 or 27 width divisions and i didnt know that the smaller the division the faster it trained. Thx for the advice! (I only have 175 hours)
@ 20 width and sometimes 27 width
When you go Total Mobilization, take Women In The Workforce, which blocks out the manpower loss from Total Mob. :)
Absolutely! Just totally forgot xD
The 1942 shouldn't be a 9/3, its a 9/1 and it even says in the text it has half the artillery
Still 3 artillery battalions though!
@@Aldrahill yes, but the hoi4 brigade represents 3 battalions, because it has 36 artillery pieces while a battalion has 12, and is called artillery "brigade". The only mistake is that for some reason paradox have it just 500 manpower when a single battalion had 700 (so it should be 2100)
hisotrical new Zealand presets when
It’s just bob semples all the way down
19:15 Honestly this is a 100% historically accurate play through of the Soviet Union in world war 2.
>Completely screw up your army organization and build up every step of the way
>bad equipment
>bad divisions
>STILL WIN AGAINST GERMANY
10/10 well done
I’m a slave to history, what can I say?
So this is what Reddit History does to a person.
>bad equipment
The Soviets generally had pretty solid equipment 1942 onwards
do italy next lol
Oh GOD
That would be awesome
14:09 "We're also almost completely out of manpower so we'll go to extensive conscription to try to defeat that problem."
*Has 0 manpower the next frame*
It takes a while to mobilize new manpower from shifting mobilization laws :)
@@Aldrahill Ooooh! I didn't know that! ...And I have 520 hours in the game..
It would be completed if you just accepted yalta
The A-32 historicaly had a L-11 gun wich is like a close support gun, so you were wrong!
what if this concept but in black ice
I'm absolutely terrified of doing it, but I bet it would be a LOT of fun xD
Historical soviet divisions have no org? Ooohhhh noooo who could've guessed
CRAZY right? Who could've imagined it?!
Disappointed this didn't end up as historical in ebb and flow as the German version
Indeed, I think it’s just a bit easier to defend! The German ai didn’t really counterattack me too much tbh, and they never put enough factories on planes!
Algorithm comment to support your work at least a bit
Thanks buddy! These take a ton of work, so I appreciate it :)
i'm baffled about the fact Aldrahill managed to run out of manpower as the soviet union XD
I went total mobi and also limited conscription xD absolute brain pet behaviour honestly
@@Aldrahill I've seen worse, there were that ISP guy who tried to do artillery only XD
I hate when people can't push the main frontline and instead just snake for Berlin through the baltic and Poland like it's so cheesy you didn't even defeat AI, there is a hundred division just standing still in the middle of Russia.
you get the kv1 from Germany
bro just forgot about air doctrine lmao
blackice players: Wow...
Crappy space marines is a double negative
Yea cup 6
luxemburg historical build when?
Play game, die :P
@@Aldrahill okay okay, what about aussa?
OH GOD
@@Aldrahill alright picky mcgee. No luxembourg. No Aussa. Heres a very hard challenge. France.
oh, and if you do france, please tag me so I can watch it. :)@@Aldrahill
finland for next one
OH GOD xD It's actually gonna be Italy, coming out next Friday! Tomorrow's video is a slightly different one; Poland Cavalry only :P
@@Aldrahill gloria al dvce
Do USA next
they.... they forgoot one of the best tanks the soviets had ? HOW KV-1 was literally the wall the germans hit wtf