Shanghai Municipal Police Colt 1908 in Competition
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- čas přidán 2. 11. 2019
- Update: I came in 3rd place of 33 competitors, with a total score of 71.
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Today I am shooting a Colt 1908 originally issued to the Shanghai Municipal Police in 1925. The gun was chosen for issue by William Fairbairn, who is best known for training OSS and SOE operatives in hand-to-hand combat techniques during World War Two. Fairbairn worked for the Shanghai city government modernizing and running their police department in the 1920s and 1930s; one of the most violent and dangerous cities in the work at the time. He chose the 1908 Colt Pocket Hammerless for his Chinese officers, complete with a few custom modifications.
Frankly, the Colt 1908 is a fantastic pistol. I had a great time shooting this one today - it was flawlessly reliable, accurate, and fast. What more can you ask?
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"and then the creepy girl comes out of the TV to eat your soul."
Jeez, I hate it when that happens.
Psht. She can have it. Pretty sure my soul has gone off from sitting in the fridge for too long.
Hey, I know someone who shot his TV.. back in the day.
"On this stage your gun mysteriously begins in the chili pot."
Ah yes, the usual behavior of the gun. I hate when this keep happening with mine
My Lasgun keeps jumping at people from a fire, I need help with its Machine Spirit.
Don't you just hate it when you're waiting for a home intruder while cooking, you've got your gun in hand and ready to go and then you accidentally drop it into a pot of chili. I know I hate it when that happens.
Gun battle in a restaurant, with that Shanghai gun, this is starting to sound like a John Woo movie.
I always put my pistol into the pot when I cook chili, gives it that explosive afterburn people love so much.
I've got a problem I don't like chilli what do I do.
Fairbairn and Sykes reputedly ended every one of their WW2 unarmed combat lessons to the SOE with the advice, "And then kick him in the balls".
Mark Simmons people can keep fighting with a broken arm or knocked out teeth but who’s gunna keep fighting after you stomp on their head (or other such attack) and kick them full force in the groin?
The "kick in the goolies", yes i was just thinking about that. Its good advice.
How to distract your opponent. Lesson one. Kick him in the balls. Lesson two. See lesson one.
Not forgetting their famous commando knife, which was still being issued.
That's my purse!
You out did yourself yet again. I always like to see these old guns in modern practical shooting scenarios (E.g. FG 42 vs. BAR) .
I have been a fan of this channel for years and it has been a pleasure watching it change and grow. There have been few, if any, creative decisions I wasn't 100% on board with. I feel you do a very good job of selecting intresting items, researching the crap out of them and then presenting them in a clear, easy to understand manner. All while being as polite and diplomatic as possible.
I know this is a labor of love but there is significant historical importance to creating a video catalog of all these firearms and I appreciate you keeping up the work despite the platform's... distaste for this particular aspect of human history.
amen!
All I have to add is that I hope Ian is keeping backup archive of his videos somewhere safe just in case. We watch it for entertainment, but this is actually serious history documentation which shouldn't be in danger of sudden deletion.
Well said, I completely agree.
@@ThorneyedWT AMEN! who knows if and when the U TUB GOONS will CHANG their rules , regulations, customs, permissions, little minds. U know they wanted HILLARY to win. lol.
Yep that about what I was thinking too
I was born in Shanghai, and lived in the city until my family moved to Australia, and I have always been interested in the history of "Old Shanghai" in the '20s and '30s. This video popped up in one of my searches, and although I'm not generally interested in "gun content", I am so glad that I watched it, and Ian's earlier video on these Shanghai Municipal Police weapons. Thank you Ian, for illuminating these fascinating details of the history of my home town.
Nobody:
Ian: What if I followed up a five year old video with some range footage?
Your description of Fairbairn's shooting techniques reminded me a lot of TFB's series, "How To Shoot Like John Wick."
Funny how what was old becomes new again. :)
1960jefbot Excellent comment. I agree 100%. I've read "Shooting to Live With the One-Hand Gun" a number of times and keep my copy close to hand for both reference and entertainment. William Fairbairn and Eric Sykes experienced more close combat and armed combat, reflected upon the situations more thoroughly, systematized their "lessons learned" more fully, and trained more real-life fighting men, than anybody else I'm aware of. Technology has improved and RoE have changed radically, but the human animal really hasn't changed much since 1940. F/S based their approach on the way both attacker and defender instinctively act and react in real life--not theoretically, in training classes, on the range, or even in a "shooting affray" or three. It's wise to listen closely to voices speaking from that much experience.
I used to have an old 1969 annual for a boys comic called Tiger; in that they had a section about gunslingers and it said that supposedly Wyatt Earp said that aiming was unnecessary and that your finger automatically lines up with your eye line
@@venakewIt was Wild Bill Hickok.
Love the use of the dummy gun with the switch for the real one. Lets you do stuff that would otherwise be unsafe.
Most of the accidents on the range are from drawing from a holster my cousin shot him self in the leg with a 22 trying to QuickDraw
This is a good idea, if for no other reason than to debunk the , "You gotta do it this way, with this gun" crowd.
amen!
I think I actually heard the collective "REEEEEEEEE!" of the glockboy tacticools.
Props to Ian for pointing out that a WIDE variety of firearms can be effective if you practice!
@@kevingooley9628 I think it’s also to point out how largely stagnant pistols have been over the last 100 years. Sure modern pistols are more accurate, more ergonomic, but we’re still playing with self loading (semi auto) pistols a hundred years later.
Reminds me of when I completed my annual qualification with a Enfield No 2 revolver because it met the department "requirements" for off duty carry.
Ian "gun Jesus" McCollum. The man, the myth, *THE LEGEND*
Let the legend come back to life
The mans a leg end in his own lunchtime. I think I may have gotten that wrong.😮
I got that reference
Praise be, praise be!
I honestly thought for a second ian was going to have to do a quick improvised uh..”chili test” on his pistol when he mention the chili pot.
The trick is to undercook the bullets. Everybody is going to get to know each other in the gun.
@@JudeFergy I prefer to cook the bullets thoroughly. It makes the easier to digest as well.
Texas Rangers test. Pull the gun out of the chili and clear it and see if it jams.
Excellent format!! It would be nice to watch some more content like this.
Yep. Smith and Wesson has repacked it's features into the "EZ-slide M&P 380" . Although it's a fun/reliable poly pistol it doesn't have the soul of the Colt 1908!
I quite enjoy these backup gun demos
It's a refreshing change from double stacked, ultra custom race guns that usually star in competition videos and it's a bit more engaging than just a regular range fire of an antique, please do continue.
Actually, for the SMP, this was the primary 1st line pistol. Worked well too.
Also W. Fairbairn's "all in fighting" is a good book on self defence tactics.
It's definitely worth picking up if you happen to find it.
The book is available on Archive. Com
Probably tells you how to use the book as a weapon.
I've found it on Amazon and keep meaning to get it. Fairbairn - with his pal Sykes - also produced a book called "Shooting to Live" which seems to relate to the techniques Ian mentions here.
An excellent little book. Reprinted quite recently.
@@alun7006 Soon to be sold out? :-)
This and the other video you recently did along the same lines are fantastic content, very much in the spirit of the things you used to do back in the day. Would love to see more, and especially the emphasis on actually finding old guns that perform well is pretty interesting.
Awesome format, would love to see more of these with quirky pistols!
In the early 1990s, my father was lucky to buy many 'new old stock' pistols from a Firearms Dealer/Auction place in Culver City names Martin B Redding. He bought 1903/1908 Colt .32acp, .25acp (vest) and .308acp. They're still NIB in my brother's safe in Az. My father had all three calibers he bought used 70s.. He bought the new ones to complete his used ones. Yeh, pop is still alive and well in Az.
The old guns combined with older doctrines of use make this a pretty interesting watch. I would like to see more of this.
Those older doctrines still hold good in the right scenarios, like not worrying about bystanders or hostages.
Ian has cornered the market on 1908 Police Colts and has just driven the price up now that you want one
The chilly pot gun. The natural counter against tv ghost girls.
Q: "What is wring with old-timey, all steel guns?" A: "Nothing." (Especially when served with chili!)
"Mr. Churchills Ministry of Ungentlemanly warfare" also features Sykes and Fairborn. Great book.
As for the chilli pot, didn't Jim Rockford keep his detective special in a cookie jar on the Rockford Files.
He sure did.
Thought in the freezer
There are probably a million American owned pistols tucked away somewhere in a kitchen, be it a refrigerator, a cookie jar, or under a soup bowl in a cupboard.
What a great way to get practical feel of how these guns worked had how well they played in action
I hope you continue to do this kind of video. I really enjoy not only seeing the historic guns in practical ways but also the usage of the period techniques and theory. Very interesting and entertaining.
That was some of the best shooting I've seen from Ian, well done and it's bloody interesting that you did it with Fairburns 100 year old point and shoot technique.
Always a pleasure to see the old guns in action whenever possible.
I noticed a very interesting artifact regarding video compression. At 4:43, as Ian's shoulder moved left, revealing more of the target, the lighter-colored bullet impacts were not immediately visible, instead popping in about a half-second later.
I like this format. Good balance of history and shooting/commentary on the shooting.
Ian, the Celestial Gangsta, flexing again on the guys in the competition with his old weird sidearms - 2019, colorized
I love seeing what these old guns can and can’t do with the tactics at the time.
It's probably safe to say you're the first to use this gun in this kind of competition.
Believe it or not, shooting sports/competitions have drastically died off in the last 30-40 yrs. They actually taught marksmanship in public schools for competition shooting into the 70s. You'd be surprised, someone probably used this gun in some form of competitive match in the old days. I'm sure they did it differently back then, but same concept, a range, a gun, a shooter, & targets in some kind of organized fashion.
@@RichardCranium321 A friend of mine (who died in 2000) was an instructor at the Jungle Warfare School at Fort Sherman Panama, in the early 1960's. He used to talk about taking his rifle with him to High School every day for practice. This was in Chicago in the 1950's, although I couldn't tell you what school. Interesting guy. I'm sad he's gone.
@@RichardCranium321 They still do in parts of Australia. As a reaction to kids being upset with anyone carrying firearms being described as 'phycopaths and killers' . A lot of the kid's live on farms and in rural areas were you need a firearm, they see their parents with them. . So if a kid wants a toy gun, the school will go through 'Training' and they have to earn a 'Licence', which can be taken waway if they act stupid. My son was rasied the same way, he was never allowed to point even a toy gun at anyone. His sons and daughters are being raised the same way.
@@51WCDodge I was raised in extremely rural community. One of our classes was 4H & we would learn proper ways to dress & process different animals from rabbits to deer, from hogs to cattle, & we also had archery practice in the auto shop on Fridays. We didn't have any firearm classes IN school, but the resource officer along with a fish & wildlife officer and our football coach (avid hunter/nra instructor) offered safety, certification, and training courses that were required by the state for anyone under 18 who wished to hunt/target shoot on any land that was not their own. I became quite fond of 20ga over under skeet competition by the time I was 12yrs old & placed 2nd in state youth category, 1 point behind a 17yr old who had been shooting competition for almost 8 years. I am thankful to this day that my father & grandfather raised me the way they did. Unfortunately I won't be raising any of my own this way because I can't justify bringing a life into this world with the destructive & vile path that we're currently on. Bless you for raising your son & grandchildren with sense, hopefully it'll catch on...
@@tarmaque we regularly had shotguns or rifles in gun racks of vehicles where I went to school & this was in the late 90's-early00's. It was an extremely rural area & a number of us worked out IN the woods immediately after school, so it was a necessary tool just like my chainsaw. The only time they had a problem was when I'd forgotten to bring my lockbox & I didn't want to leave my old revolver in my car bc I couldn't secure it, i went to our resource officer, told him the situation & asked him to hold it for me until I left for work. He wasn't happy, but respected how I handled situation, that I didn't try to hide it, & that my main concern was safely keeping it out of the gaze/ hands of others.
What a great set of stages, short but lots of variety. Their was a TV series in the UK a couple of years ago which recreated SOE training and they were taught the shooting from the hip technique
Another excellent video. It's inspiring to see how far you've progressed over the years, both as a shooter and a presenter.
Absolutely awesome. If your schedule makes for the time I assure you we all enjoy the competition videos you produce. They are truly a delight.
Love this style of video. Can not get enough of these.
Love the short video with a bit of history and a bit of practical shooting. Good mix.
Another great vid! Thank you. Fairbairn, his career and the techniques he developed would be superb subject matter for a future upload.
Absolutely love this format. Definitely would watch more.
Thank you , Ian
good format , looking forward to more ,
This format was amazing!
Just finished your Fairbairn Bio and watched this. It's fun to watch you have fun!
Very exciting format! More please.
This just goes to show you that skill trumps gear. Yes you can use gear to enhance your skill set, but as long as your gear is reliable, skill will triumph. Ian has come a long way and improved massively in the last few years.
I love watching your competition videos. Cool seeing you take old weapons through modern comps.
Just the history of these firearms sells this channel for me been a fan for years and there are more surprising weapons coming when I least expect them. Keep going Gun Jesus!
I would love to see more videos like this!
Really enjoy this content and provides a practical application without the requirement forca tone of ancillary equipment.
Terrific episode. Would like more of these Forgotten Tactical Applications.
That's the best competition I've seen Ian shoot in EVER!!! Well done!
Loved it, the descriptions on the last two were excellent!
This format is great. Love seeing these old weapons in action. Please, do continue!
I like it when Ian is being witty/funny. Makes the video feel light hearted. Love this format, would love to see more!
Man. This is my favorite kind of video. An older, forgotten weapon in a modern competition. Always a pleasure to watch. I look forward to more.
I'm really enjoying these short sweet, back up pistol vids, just good marksmanship with interesting firearms
I like these videos. Seeing guns in use and getting some honest feedback is always a welcome add on.
Yes, please continue this type of series!
Videos like this are awesome, adds more depth to the gun than just it sitting on a table.
I absolutely love these competition videos
This is really cool. Looking forward to seeing more of this kind of video.
on InrangeTV Ian and Karl do a lot more competition shooting videos, if you didn't know.
@@planescaped Yes thank you, I thoroughly enjoy those. But this shorter backup pistol style is just what i didn't know I wanted :)
Very good way to spotlight some of these forgotten weapons. I hope you do more videos like this.
Great video and wonderfull format/serie.
ABSOLUTELY LOVE that stuff! Please keep it up.
This is great. I just got some of your older videos of you doing this match and this shows how much you have improved as a shooter. Keep up the great work.
Yes! More of this format and content!
Awesome video! I think it adds alot when you get to shoot the firearms you present to us.
Great video! Would love to see more of this .
I was fortunate to get a copy of their book "Shooting to Live (with the one-hand gun)" published in 1942. It details the methods developed by them both while in the Far East. FYI they were William Ewart Fairburn and Eric Anthony Sykes. Fairburn and Sykes met in Shanghai. As you mentioned Fairburn was assistant commissioner and Sykes was officer in charge of snipers unit. Both in Shanghai Municipal Police. I reccomend the book if you can find a copy. A quick check on the internet suggests it's still in print.
@@Paladin1873 I'm afraid not. It's really just a training manual, based on their joint experiences.
love the old school stuff ! thumbs up
I never realized how much of a giant Ian is, like he's taller than everyone else on the range
I think they're just a bit short, Ian's about 5'11"
YES INTERESTING!
Cool format and video. It's always good to mix things up once in awhile.
Definitely fun to see these old pistols in action. Thanks!
I love how a 100+ years old gun still performs like new. I love guns!
This format is brilliant , you demonstrate the weapon and we get ian ness . 👍🇬🇧
There's really nothing wrong with that pistol in the modern world.
Well all steel is a bit heavy for conceal carry and the sights are not great...I would totally carry it sometimes though if I owned it. I agree. It is not really that far behind the pack compared to more modern designs.
@@Jesses001 When the modern designs are merely slightly tweaked versions of itself...
Not at all. Both it and the Model 1903 are extremely close in dimensions to the Glock 43.
Tjhe lack of a firing pin safety. That is the only defect. I may add a fiber optic front sight to my own like I did with one of my P64s. :)
I carry a nickel plated 1908. I think it's as reliable as a revolver
what a nice format!
Commentary on the stages is golden, need more content like this.
Yes more please! I really enjoyed this.
I would love to see more videos like this. Classic pistols in competition.
That was some really great shooting!! Love the format as well 😁😁
I have a great fondness for the old pistols and to see used in the manner they were meant to be used makes for my favorite videos.
Great shooting great video thank you guys at Forgotten Weapons!!
Thanks, always enjoy your videos. Much respect from Casa Grande.
Very cool gun and video. I really like these backup gun competition videos, great job!
Love this! All of the back up gun matches have been fun to watch.
The Wildey match from a few years ago is one of my favorite videos.
Granted they're not all that forgotten but a Baby Browning at a backup mactch would be fun to see.
This style of video is awesome. C&R shootout series is definitely my cup of tea.
Brilliant video and what marksmanship! Very well done sir.
Love it. All of it. The gun, the video, and the tactics. Now I have another gun I want and more things to practice at the range. Thanks Ian
Really enjoyed it!
More please.
This was great Ian, please continue, it kind of falls in with the whole "vintage operater" theme
Reminds me of your older videos. I love seeing your older guns in action. Keep them coming
Only issue I have with carrying one today is the lack of drop safety. Interestingly, the
.380 shield EZ seems to be the modern 1908.
Good eye. The EZ has been haunting me for exactly that reason.
Edit - the EZ includes a firing pin safety, unlike the 1908, it's _modern._
Gunwriter Steve Malloy was killed by his Colt Pocket Hamerless. It fell out his waistband as Malloy bent over, and discharged upon impact with the concrete floor.
Drop safe guns are good m'kayyyyy?
Watching these videos a couple years later and they are still enjoyable. Happy New Year Ian.
Loved the video. Content like this is cool and makes me wish there was comps like this where I live. Keep up the great work!
Ian this was both educational and entertaining. I have been curious about the Fairburn shooting method and seeing it in action was interesting. Thank you.
Love this format, seeing historic guns in context being shot practically.
I liked the concept of shooting these short easy to digest matches with historic pistols!
Very neat video Ian. Id enjoy watching more of this kinda stuff.