Multipick Tension Ring Review
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- I’ve always been a little curious about these tension rings. What do you think about them as hobby picker or as a professional? 🤔😃👍 let me know in the comments. Also I’ll be giving this item away this week! 😀
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I’ve always been a little curious about these tension rings. What do you think about them as hobby picker or as a professional? 🤔😃👍 let me know in the comments. Also I’ll be giving this item away this week! 😀
Hello mate, I have just bought one of these and an electric pick (waiting on them arriving). Do you think I could open most UK locks with the stuff I've bought with being a novice? I'm thinking about taking some locksmith training and maybe starting a small business. I got the genuine tension ring from Germany and got the electric pick from UKBumpkeys so want to at least make my money back as soon as possible. What do you think my chances are? Thanks mate.
Ah I missed the giveaway
@@randommadness1021 Two years down the line are you still into locksport?
@@TC-th1ey I kinda lost interest in it after I bought a lock that I couldn't open, but have been getting back into it again just recently.
It's not like riding a bike btw 😂
I only just managed to open my first "proper" lock a couple of weeks back, and regarding my first comment, I wouldn't recommend buying those tools, they're shit and don't help any better than just SPP with a half decent set of picks and torque wrenches.
And no, still not gotten that lock open 😂
I'm not giving up though...
@@randommadness1021 As they say practice, practice, practice! Good luck on your lock, I'm sure you'll get it open one day soon.
I’ve used the HPC variation with the guidelines on the face for decades and it works great for certain locks
Hi Jason, nice to see you here. I've been curious about them for years, but haven't caved in and spent the money yet. Thanks for leaving a comment here, it fuels my desire to try one a bit more. LockForce!
Ghost it shines on defiant/kwikset/etc deadbolts and tylo kwikset knobs with the flat face. This one seems really too bulky but I love the HPC one. There are three I think, two “wire style” like this one for concave knobs one for flat, and the most expensive one with the guides on face which is the one I have. Works really well for glass storefront mortise cylinder situations also :) LockForce!
Thanks for commenting - it’s interesting to hear that they are used in the field 👍😃
Great video! You give the best review/demonstrations on the channel. Your reviews are unbiased, concise, to the point with no frills - just the facts allowing us to make better and confident purchases of Locksport tools. Never stop or change your approach. Superb review👍🔐
Thank you 🙏
Yeah, it was this review that they have on their own site (and one by Bosnian Bill) that made me buy this. Great review, just hope I can use it as well as you two did..
I noticed these on Multipick’s page. I was curious about them and I appreciate seeing one in use. Thank you for reviewing it.
Thanks 🙏
I never knew Multipick made them. I think raking or a pick gun would be favorable rather than SPP'ing.
Agreed
What about feeback on the tension tool ? The counter rotation with spools ?
Paola frege Don’t know as you would be raking if you knew there were spools. And as he points out, this is wildly incompatible with SPP. Really kind of a niche item that has limited use in locksport for the majority of folks.
Not much feedback, but some. All these locks have 6 pins and multiple spools 😃👍
It says on their site that the best way to use it is turn it in the opposite direction when you start to work with it. I don't think this is supposed to be a lock sport item. It's just all about getting the lock open as quick as possible.
As a hobbyist I wouldn't spend money on this. I wouldn't deny it if was for free though. Good of you to point out that it might interfere with SPP'ing as you're used to.
Did you enter the giveaway?
@@LockNoob Sure did. I'm curious about these, but there's so many other obviously useful things to spend money on, things I want but doesn't have and this is a gadget I would like to buy when I have no other stuff left to buy :)
BTW, my comment above sort of came out wrong. It might have sounded as YOU had some habit to leave out information, that was not my intention. A rewording would be: if you're used to SPP'ing the tension ring might deprive you of space that you're used to have - it potentially limits your upwards/downwards motion. This tool is probably nice for most other techniques, as you pointed out in video. Well done and executed. 5/5 as usual.
I would love to own this. I do mostly spp but with something like this it'd put me outside my comfort zone and outside is where you learn to do new things.
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I bought one from sparrows but wasn't happy with it so i bought this one from multipick cause there engineering is second to none! It works good on locks on doors. Works better if you cut the top pin off just a tiny bit so it will be flush with the lock also using a epg works best!!
What was it you didn't like about Sparrows? I've been looking at theirs since the price isn't hefty.
@@Ghost_Os it will work. The machining isn't real great when you push the top button down to insert it in the lock. It goes down and out. It gets annoying after while. Multipick which I'm sure you know there engineering is second to none! When you push that button down it goes down. No flopping around in any other direction plus it comes with 3 different size bottom ones! Either way you will have to cut the top pin so it will fit snug against the lock instead of an 1/8 inch apart! I talked with Bosnian Bill alot about this trust me. If i could do it all over i wouldn't of ever even got one. I NEVER use either one of mine. We all have shit load of bok and Tok tensioners which is what we learn on. These tension wheels have been around for ever and you never see anyone using one in a video!
Yes, trimming that pin could be good for some locks 👍
@@LockNoob as in the length or the width/height? And can you not change the top tensioner like you can with the bottom?
Great video. I was on a site and seen this and never seen it until just now. Had no idea what that was at all. Thanks for that.
Glad I could help!
This would be a great tool for a locksmith. Le's face it, locksmiths almost always attack with a rake rather than SPP. Nothing like SPPing while standing in freezing weather with a customer breathing down your neck.
Very true, though occasionally, you run across one that just refused to rake or rock open. I'm very good with tension control with the old fashioned tension wrench, but have always wanted to try one of these out. I think they would shine on locks with wafers on both sides, so you could get your pick right in the middle.
True
Awesome review!! I would love to try this! I think this might actually help my raking!! Happy pickings!!
Thanks for watching LPG 😃
What a beautiful piece of kit. Another Multipick tool with quality in mind.
Thanks Roy 👍
MultiPick almost makes me wish I hadn't retired from Locksmithing. 😆
You can always go back 😃👍
I must say, to me, it looks far too bulky for "real" locks mounted on doors..it may be great for locksport cores mounted in vises, but I doubt the space between the door frame and the lock core - whether its mounted to the left, or the right - would be enough for that entire thick alloy circumference as well as room for your hands, picks, gloves, etc to work comfortably..plus, as you've said, it effectively makes most of your standard single pin hooks too short, let alone those of us who like making or modifying our own picks! Thanks for the review though, I love most of Multipick's kit but seeing this in a real-life situation tells me this particular one is not for me.. 👍
Fair observations 🙏
Is it not the tension bars on it that hold it in place? Hence why you can move/exchange them? They also sell another box with extra parts for curved key ways.
Hi Lock Noob, Great tensioning tool, particularly useful with a mechanical pick gun or electric - and raking - not so good for single pin picking ( poor feed back ) however the highly under rated "Y" shaped tension tool - usually incorrectly referred to for use only in shutter locks - works just as well for the above, giving even tension to top and bottom of the plug, plus a ridged more positive feel for single pin picking. Regards, Brian.
Good tip on the y wrench!
Like it, but not sure I can justify the price, just for hobby purposes... Maybe one day... Like the easy changing bit
Thanks for watching 👍
As always, thanks for sharing....👍
I have been thinking of this tool for quite some time for a few specifics locks I have.
Quite impressed with that little tool the facility to change tension bits without tools It’s really good
It’s a great feature 👍😃
Took practice but I love using mine----just allows you a bit more room if needed----great info
Nice to hear from people that use one 👍
For some reason I always thought tension rings were for tubular locks. Lovely demo vid.
Thanks 😊
Beautiful tool, great workmanship, excellent review
Thanks 🙏
I have the Sparrows, because of the scale on it.
Would have bought this one because of the versatility if it had a scale.
The scale is a nice touch 👍
Do you have a link to the one with a scale? Thanks
www.sparrowslockpicks.ca/product_p/new7789.htm
@@petdetect cheers. I actually came across a video of of an Austrian guy using one last night (this morning 😂) could probably draw your own one on this one...
Great review, i was going to say it may cause difficulties SPP, thanks for pointing that out. Thumps up 👍👍👍👍👍😊
Thanks 🙏
I keep my old HPC version of this with my EPG. Had great success with it. Only when the cylinder face is exposed though (handle, PAS24 etc forget it..). Find the HPC tool fits all key ways but is not a good snug fit as the tension parts are both the same diameter wire, fair bit of slop and not a ‘snug’ fit. This tool has been on my shopping list for some time but never pulled the trigger. Useful if your short of time, well made by the looks of it. Liking the different tension blades. Good honest review too, cheers!.
Thanks 😊
They seem like they could offer an extremely fine level of control. I'd like to give one a try one day but they're not an item I'd rush out to get, mainly because of the price vs usefulness. Cool demonstration!
Thanks 🙏
Good review Mr Noob. Good for EPGs, really good. But never really found them tensioner of choice for anything else.
This does seem to require that the lock is mounted either on a door or in a vice. It is meant for professional use by locksmiths, though, which would mean mounted.
Indeed
Great review spot on buddy. 😎
Thanks 🙏
I've often wondered if there's any particular use case where a ring tensioner would make a material difference over a standard pry-bar or wiper. Until I find a good reason to use one, I think I'll stick to pry-bars. They do look pretty cool though. 😋 Thanks for the review! Cheers!
Fair thought 👍
Great tool for rocking , raking and EPG i suppose. Don't see the advantage if SPPing. Great review Ash and thanks for sharing. Take care and have a fantastic weekend.
Thanks Gazz, you too mate 😃
I've had one for years supplied when I did a locksmith course from work been laying in my tool box for years not very useful for SPP more for electric pick gun or raking, great vid keep up the great reviews. :)
Thanks 🙏
Great review.
Thanks 🙏
I purchased one from sparrows- got it along with other tools to save on shipping - not used it much yet
Cant change the pins on the sparrows one unlike the lovely looking multipick one
Got a lot of tools from sparrows as I cant afford beutiful multipick tools - would love a set of dimple picks from multipick - or their electric pick gun
They do great tools for sure !
Never tried one of those at all, but yes would be handy for a pick gun.
I agree 👍
Aside from it being in the way a bit for SPP'ing, is there still the normal loss of bidirectional control when tensioning spools and the like? GorillaPicking wedges his modified Allen wrench in dimple locks to be able to have full control. I might not have explained that too well.
I understand and yes, there are compromises 👍
I wonder, do you think it'll work on car locks with the shutters? What a simple but effective tool, Great content Lock Noob!
I think it might 👍
I like it, but it doesn't leave alot of room for spp. It seems more for pick guns ar just raking.
Nice review!
Agreed 🙏😃
I'm a professional locksmith, as well as a hobby picker. I've also always been curious how I would like one, but have never gotten around to picking one up. It's a "want" expense, rather than a "need" expense, and I tend to put "wants" on the back burner 90% of the time.
Yeah, that’s very wise 👍
@Ghost How do you go about opening locks for folk? Do you try and pick or just drill through the lock and replace it? I'm thinking about doing the training for being a locksmith. I live in a large town thats nowhere near anywhere and doesn't have any professional locksmith so I'm seriously thinking about trying to get good enough to start a business. And do you have any suggestions about what courses I should take to get to professional level? Thanks.
Dont know why that last post never tagged you mate, hopefully this one does lol
@@randommadness1021 I pick the lock. Fingers crossed, I've never had to drill. If a lock is giving me a particularly hard time, I try a different door. Even if the locks are all on the same key, a different lock will bind differently, which can sometimes make picking easier. Definitely get yourself a good plug spinner - plenty of times you can pick it quickly to the locked position, but can't seem to get it the other way. Plug spinners are great for that. Also, get yourself a flat 'pry bar' type tensioning tool. Plenty of times in the field, the frame of the door or some other obstacle will be in the way of you using the usual type tension wrench, and simply switching sides isn't always ideal. Access Tools for car opening needs, but also pick up the HPC mechanical wedge. It has three rubberized 'feet' that with the aid of another tool (plastic pry bar for instance) you can get into the gap in the door. You then turn a threaded knob which lets you adjust the door opening. Air wedges are great, get a couple, but if the check valve fails, or they get punctured, you probably won't know about it til you arrive on scene. For your through the door tool, get one that's coated in rubber (or do it yourself with heat shrink). Get or make a plastic envelope that you insert your tool through. Take steps to insure you're not going to damage your customer's paint job. When using a through-the-door tool, only gap the door as much as you need to get your tool through without it binding (and damaging their paint job) - you don't want to screw up their door hinge. I saw the aftermath of a local towing company job - customer said they used a half inch thick piece of rebar to go inside and pop the lock. They had to spread the door so far apart that it wouldn't even close afterward. Get Access Tools' frameless window tool. You won't get nearly as many lockout calls as you might be hoping for - learn how to take apart the different knobsets, lever sets, and deadbolts, re-key them, and put them back together. Learn how to cut a good key (a lot of this is making sure your key machine is aligned and calibrated properly). Get good at coring and boring doors to install additional lock hardware. Good quality jigs are a worthwhile investment. When you're using a template, measure twice (or three times) and drill once. Run of the mill doors are expensive enough. You don't want to screw up on a several thousand dollar decorative door. Take your time, use good tools, *take your time*, and do it right.
A good option for key blanks is "American Key Supply", at least if you're in the states. You'll also want a copy of Ilco's key blank directory. If someone brings you a wonkey unmarked key that you don't carry, it makes figuring out what it is a whole lot easier. Be aware that the images you see of the keyway are in fact what the keyway looks like - not what the key itself on end looks like. It's set up so that you stick the key on the page as if you were inserting it into the lock. Then you get level, and look to see if it seems like it would fit.
For a lot of my other locksmith tools and supplies, I go through CLK Supplies. They're a good outfit.
For locksmithing courses, as much as they get made fun of, Foley-Belsaw (still around for locksmithing) has a solid 101 course, and their key machine is actually pretty decent, especially if you get the upgrades to turn it into a code cutter. One way or another, invest in depth and space keys. Foley Belsaw also has a pretty good catalog of tools and books for locksmiths. There's Mike Gibson's "Locksmith Video School". I've seen a gentleman on ebay selling a dvd course, as well as individual dvd classes. I've not checked those out, but they sound solid. Searching for "locksmith dvd" on ebay should have you finding him easily enough. If you decide to check those out, let me know what you think, I'll feel better recommending them (or not) with feedback from other people (again, I've not seen them myself).
Hope this is helpful! Good luck!
@@Ghost_Os thanks mate. Very helpful 🙂
Looks like a good tool, bit too expensive for the advantages over a traditional tension bar for me as a hobbyist, but I suspect a professional would find it very useful.
Yes, it does lean more to pros 👍
Good review, Would it work for the likes of an Assa that needs manual counter rotation?
I don’t think it would be great for that TBH 👍
Wow, sorry I am recovering from sticker shock. 68 bucks? GTFOH. No Wayyyy. Sparrows sells a really nice one for much cheaper. Good vid quality as always, was thinking of trying one of these sometime but not sure how well it would work on a lock in a door, or on a knob, or a lever lock. I mostly only pick stuff that's on a door or if it's not on a door, it's a padlock I plan on popping and keeping from something in public, lol. There is no more a beautiful irony... then stealing a lock, but not what it's locking.
Based on your video, I would suspect that this tool works better when picking in a vice, as opposed to in the hand?
Yes
Nice looking toy but at $100 AU i think my money would be better spent on locks or even full set of picks. Thanks for the review :)
Thanks 🙏
nice review ash my friend👍👊🇬🇧😎😊
Thanks Leon 😃
Seems nice for a working locksmith. Not so much for locksporters.
Indeed 👍
@@LockNoob The funny thing is I watched a video about an hour or two ago and Jason from SeLockandKey used a very similar or maybe the same device. He ended up switching to an old school tension wrench before he got an open. He appeared to be using a raking / B@@@@picking technique.
Has anybody tried this in competition does it help
Hmm, I don't know...Not sure about this one. I'm a huge Multipick advocate, I really rate their quality. Not saying it's not well engineered, and I'm sure it does have its place, but possibly a little over-engineered? A sledgehammer to crack a nut? I prefer SPPing (which as you point out, it's not ideal for) and wiper blade or pry bar does the job, but yes, I do get that it might be good for professional locksmiths, or as you say, if someone finds traditional methods a bit fiddly. Overall, a nice, well made tool but I think I'm possibly in a minority here, as I don't think it's for me.
I think this would be great in the field or a vise. But I mostly pick in hand for now but I’m sure this would change that. 😂
You my friend are expensive to watch. Too many cool tools
Lol, sorry 😁
Looks like a very nice well engineered piece of kit.
Question : Would that work on Cross locks?
Just wondering because those can be a pain to tension as your moving around them trying to pick each row of pins ;-)
That's a really good point you made. Cross locks are a pain to tension, if that tension ring fits in the cross lock keyway it should help immensely.
Nice thought! I think that the keyways would be too small though
Looks like a great piece of kit , wonder how many locksmiths use them in the field :)
I’d be interested in knowing that too!
Hopefully 1 more soon🙂
Im a left handed person and i need a solution for top of the keyway. Any suggestions?
Watch leon's lockpad as he's a southpaw too or watch a right handed picker via mirrorthevideo.com although mirrorthevideo doesn't work for locks that only turn one way.
Just some bent wiper blade works great both ways
@@LockNoob for TOK?
Don't think it would help me because I'm just too old, set in my ways also the cost. Not certain how it works on spools & serrated drivers as well but a nice review Ash, have a great one.
Thanks! All the locks in the vid locks have multiple spool pins and 6 pin cores 👍
i got no idea, i think that tension ring is one of those i have to use then it makes sense later in the day, or the next day.
Maybe!
Nice tool looks a little bulky...
Have always wanted to try one of those
Thanks for watching 👍
When the Cninese copy this it will be under $8.00 =))
Just hope they don't send you a free virus, with every purchase 🤔
Spot on review lock noob :) have to say the pick you showed towards the end is beautiful. Did you make it your self?
No, the excellent pick maker Tipene made it for me. He also designed some picks for Law Lock Tools 😃👍
The cost makes me Tense.
Lol
Multi Pick oozes Quality, I use their Kronos and Lock Spinner have been thinking about getting one , now seen 1 in Action ,be on my Shopping List
Ive Seen the Comments about Size n stuff , MP put alot o R n D into their Gear
Not seen a bad review yet
Thanks 🙏
Much did you pay for the Kronos? I liked the look of it but was twice the price of the electric pick gun I have bought.
@@randommadness1021 Had Mine for a While , Paid £145 direct from MP next Day Delivery from Germany to UK
@@deenunya7735 it's something like £245 now, that's why I went with the gun.
While these may be good for some uses I find they just take up working room when spping. Might be good with a pick gun.
Yes, good with an epg 👍
Does it work on padlocks?
Any lock with a large enough keyway I guess 😃👍
Was wondering how they were used
Glad I could help 👍
Seems like one of those things that sounds great on paper, but isn't that great in practice. Pretty much the embodiment of German engineering. "How can we make this way more complicated?"
I could be completely wrong and it might be the best thing to ever happen, I've never used one. Being a bit thinner would probably make it a lot more useful.
I don’t think it’s a German invention x lots of companies make them
@@LockNoob
I didn't mean that I think it's German. It just seems like a way the Germans would go about it.
A complicated solution for a simple problem.
How can I be eligible to win this?
Do want as an aspiring locksmith aprentice!
Look at my giveaway vid posted Wednesday 😃👍
I appreciate the review, but I can't imagine ever using a tension ring. Why introduce something to the equation that doesn't need to be there? If I was ever going to consider one however, I would look at the 'Multipick' first. I have one of their pick sets, and they are top quality.
Yes, excellent quality 😃
Hello
Hi
It looks too thick. Wouldn't it make it harder to pick with that's bulk in the way.
It’s more used with electric pick guns
There shit .save your money .
Well, some people seem to like them, some don’t 🤷♂️