Ford 3.5L and 3.7L Water Pump Leak/ What To Look For
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
- In this video I explain how a lot of Ford 3.5L V-6 and 3.7L V-6 water pumps leak. This water pump design can be found on a number of Ford products that come with the 3.5L V-6 and 3.7L V-6. The particular vehicle featured in the video is a 2007 Ford Edge equipped with a 3.5L. This water pump design can not only be found in the Ford Edge but also the Ford Taurus and and Explorer ( and I failed to mention the Ford Flex) that come equipped with the 3.5L engine or the 3.7L engine. This water pump designed was used for many years from roughly 2007-2018. (maybe longer) There may be slight variations in design from year to year but the concept of how the water pump leaks is the same between the years. The water pump is timing chain driven which means that it is located inside the engine behind the timing cover. A lot of vehicles out there that have an externally mounted water pump, unlike the Ford 3.5L and 3.7L mentioned above, are equipped with a weep hole that allows coolant to leak directly from the water pump. But, because this water pump on the 3.5L and 3.7L is located in the engine it can't leak like a normal water pump. The coolant has to be channeled outside the engine so that the coolant does not leak into the engine oil. In this video I explain the design of this weep hole and how coolant is channeled out the side of the engine block through a special passage. I also, show it to you.
Now, while it is typical for this water pump to leak from the weep hole, they can also leak into the engine due to catastrophic failure. The vehicle featured in the video has this problem and I explain how coolant got into the engine oil and mixed with it. (It's bad news). The bearing inside the water pump went out and caused play to develop on the shaft where the pulley mounts. The coolant leaked right through this.
Note: This is just two ways in which this water pump can leak. I suppose the gasket could also leak but I've not seen that yet. The two ways mentioned in the video are usually how this water pump fails. (in my experience) Also, there is an upper weep hole that is directed into the intake valley. These water pumps can also leak into the intake valley.
Also, This is not 3.5L V-6 Ecoboost used in a lot of late model Ford F-150s. (check your manual to see if the information in the video applies.) If you notice that your engine has a water pump that is externally mounted then this video does not apply to your vehicle. Just take a look and make sure. I think I'm pretty accurate with the list of vehicles and engine sizes mentioned above that have this type of water pump. However, you need to check me. Make sure. Verify that the vehicle you are working on is similar to the ones mentioned in the video. A repair manual is a must to be sure of this.
At about the 2:11 mark I mention the freeze plug is not available. Well, its not actually a freeze plug. It looks similar to one, but it's actually just a plug that goes into the weep hole to restrict the weep hole. It doesn't totally block it, it just restricts it. I don't know if that part is available. That being said you don't need one, unless you took it out.
Here is a link to a video describing the diagnostic process I went through to figure this out.
• How I Diagnosed Faulty...
Here is a link to part 1 of a video showing the replacement of the water pump and timing chain:
• Primary Timing Chain a...
I thought it was interesting that Scotty Kilmer discussed this in a video he uploaded as I was putting this video together. Here is the linke to the video. Take a look. He talks about it for the first 1.5 minutes.
• This Changes Everything
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No, It's not your imagination. This is a repost. I left out the fact that this information is also applicable for the 3.7L V-6 too. Had to get that in there.
Thanks! Just had a police intercept Explorer come in for this. 147k miles on it (and a ton of idle hours since it's still in service) and this is the second water pump failure for this vehicle.
Have a blast!
It doesn’t apply to any of the RWD engines like the F-150, Transit, and Mustang.
You are correct.
@@BarboursAutoHelp 2017 Ford F150 4WD?
My gosh. Thank you for posting this. We just had some very low temps and I thought I had cracked the block. Only reason I gave pause to that theory was because the block was dry where the water jackets were. I was scratching my head baffled trying to figure out where the leak was coming from 😂. I was going to pull the trigger on a reman’d engine tonight. This video just saved me thousands of dollars.
Now that makes me feel so good! I’m very glad to have posted this as well. Good luck to you.
Did a excellent job on the narration and display of the weep hole and how it fails.
First off Thanks for the video! Had my water pump changed 2.5 years ago which was an extremely costly repair and just noticed last night that it’s leaking from this exact area 🤦🏽♂️ I check my fluids often and maintain my vehicle very well. Had no indication that this was coming again. I love my 13 Taurus so much but I don’t think I will ever buy another vehicle with this engine 🥴
Unfortunately I had the same issue just a few months ago. This time I put a Motorcraft water pump in it. Should hold it much longer. Brands do matter.
Nicely done! I was questioning the water pump diagnosis until I saw your video. Thanks!
No problem
I’m just chiming in here. I have a 2013 Edge. Leaking coolant today and saw this video stating the water pump may need replaced. Bought this at 30k in 2015. Never thought to check coolant for a change out like you’d do an oil change. Quoted roughly 2k to replace. Ugh - sucks. Thanks for the great video. I wished I could explain things clearly as you did in this video.
Sorry about your situation. Hopefully you get to the other side of it without too much pain.
Thank you very much. Bad news for the owner, but at least you pointed me in the right direction. Now, to tell them to buy a new car 😅
Thank you, I was watching one of your other videos and halfway through replacing the timing chain and water pump when I noticed coolant still running off the side of the block on my 07 Edge. Thankfully, I found this video before pulling the rest of the components off. Same issue, catastrophic pump failure idling in gridlocked traffic.
Glad it helped
This is a very informative video thank you I could not find out where the leak was coming from I was told multiple freeze plugs I just couldn't believe it I've been doing diesel mechanic work for 16 years. This needs to be addressed by Ford I do everything else to maintain my vehicle keep it up to par this is a lawsuit that was one in Canada for knowingly use this bad design
So you took you car to someone who didn’t know 💩 about your car or its design. And instead of doing a simple google search you just let it leak in blissful ignorance. The suit in Canada went nowhere. The internal pump may not be a good idea but it’s not a bad design. You’re just pissed because you are incapable of changing the pump yourself or had to pay to have it done.
Thank you. You saved my life.
My 2016 Explorer just started weeping at 45k miles! $2500 to replace! Its too bad we love the truck. Its gotta go! Never another Ford for me
Exact issue I'm having! Thank you so much for the detailed info!
This information is invaluable... thanks for sharing...
Very informative! Thanks! I wasn't sure where the weep hole was on this engine. I think this engine is also used in the Flex as well.
Yes, it is used on the Flex also.
VERY GOOD. THE BEST ABOUT THIS. THANK YOU. JUST SUBSCRIBED. Look forward to your re-build.
Our 2012 Pristine Lincoln MKX AWD has the 3.7 litre Duratec V6. Same 3.5 design setup.. 93K on the clock. At 45K one time MICROLON treated everything. Engine, Trans, Rear differential. PTU, A/C, Coolant and Power Steering.
This is our 5TH vehicle treated with MICROLON. Use for years with competition firearms and airplane engines. Microlon is FAA and MIL-SPEC (7) certified. Change oil 4K miles with Liqui Moly 100% synthetic. Engine Flush with Ligui Moly prior to change. OEM Air Filter change also at a local trusted Oiler. Our Lincoln Dealership does our fluid changes, save engine oil changes: OEM Trans 30K miles, Rear Differential (Red Line Syn Gear oil) 75K miles, PTU (Red Line High Temp Syn Gear oil) superior to the Ford stuff. Evacuated/filled 25K miles, OEM Coolant Flush (new Yellow variant) every 25K miles, A/C evac every 2 yrs., Power Steering flush OEM every 2 yrs., Brake Fluid OEM Change/Flush annually. The Coolant is manual change stated every 30K miles. I do every 25K miles due to the water pump issue. WEEP HOLE checked regularly. I feel confident the pump should last with how our vehicle is maintained and that Ford improved the pump's bearings and a new dual sprocket design.
Lincoln states the PTU (12 oz oil) never needs changing. Lifetime fluid they say. NUTS! The PTU resides 8" from the Catalytic Converter on one side and bolted to the trans on the other with a cheap aluminum heat shield between the PTU and the Converter. The oil boils! These babies fry the oil. Model sales to the middle east I'm told the PTU is radiator coolant cooled. If you own a AWD Edge, MKX, Flex etc.. Check out the horror stories on CZcams. It is a money generator for the dealerships. Say $1k plus to fix. Ours died @18K miles. Warranty covered.. Hence the PTU research and attention.. The unit on our model has no drain plug. My family claims I'm compulsive about our MKX. Maybe so. However it is a reliable safe economically sound vehicle to own. We average 22 city 25 highway MPG. Not bad for its age, weight and size. A family member's 09 FLEX just lost his engine due to the water pump failure. A 75% club owner . I am of the 25% owners club who maintain to owners manual spec and then some our vehicle. The 75% owners club do not and suffer financially.
Our Lincoln dealer does all the additional Liqui Moly stuff for me:
• Catalytic Converter cleaner every 10K miles.
• DI JECTRON, direct injection valve & combustion chamber cleaner every 2.4 K miles
• Air Conditioning Cleaner and Bio Sanitizer. Annually
• Fuel Injection Cleaner every 1.2K miles. Liqui Moly calls there products "vitamins for your vehicle".
All these Liqui Moly products work as promised beautifully and do not damage seals etc..You see and feel it. Results? Super clean running everything. Bore scopes of our valves and combustion chamber are remarkably clean. Normally they are filthy gooey power robbing crud on everything.
Preventative and Improvement items we have done so far:
• Serpentine and belt replacements @ 60K miles
• All Coolant hoses replaced @ 92K miles
• Replaced to LED all interior and exterior lights.
• Off Road HID super duper flood white head lamps and HID Fogs replacing those pathetic H4 units.
• Running Michelin Cross Climate 2 tyres. Amazing soft ride especially on our 20" rims.
We like our MKX. Fit finish etc. A fuel buring Oracle we say. Other than the design flaws (Water Pump, PTU) our normally aspired DURATEC V6 is a champ. Mid range torque comes on like a stem engine. Power is predicibly amazing . Our MKX is a comfy luxury cruiser.
Fair Winds and Following Seas
So, this truly changed my mine getting a Ford Edge SEL 2011.... Thank you so much, video saved me some money 💰
I wouldn't let this turn you off to Ford Edges. Water pump replacement is a fact of life. It happens....on every vehicle I know of. And it's really expensive on other vehicles too.
Do not ever. ever. buy a Ford Edge seriously. I’ll never buy a ford again
@@ColoradoKid32 me either. Done with fords. My Kia had 0 problems and soon as I came to ford it gives you repairs you can’t work on yourself.
@@kalikhloedaddyparker6813 Will change your view on the KIA. time will tell. Weak cast engine. Horridctranny.
Very informative..Shame this is not an easy dyi thing to change pump like the old days of a Ford pump in acouple hours..Very expensive repair labor wise I am finding out when the time comes and I hope I see it before a catastrophic failure.
Thank you for your precise explanation very helpful!
You're very welcome!
Very very helpful, great full you took the time to post this
Hope your vehicle is running well again and thanks!
Glad it helped
This can be prevented by changing your coolant as recommended. The wster pump has two rubber gaskets. The outer one gets eaten by coolant with high acid levels causing the coolant to drip out the weep hole. If you see your overflow dank low or coolant drip. .. then its too late you need to change your waterpump ASAp. If not the high acid coolant will now eat the inner rubber gasket leading to coolant gettibg into your engine oil. Then new engine. All preventable if you change he coolant as recommended. Dont change your coolant for 5+ years this is what happend. Dont blame ford for faulty design..
Just today I felt my MKX begin chugging. Looked down and saw my temps spiked. Coolant was below the reservoir. I put more in but temps shot back up in minutes. I put more in and watched it start dripping seconds after I started it. I started poking around with my light and saw a spurt like a jugular coming out in the notch above the radiator. Looks to be right in that spot. So what does that go for in 2024?
I have the exact same situation and I’m want to give the engine a rough chance and just replace water pump and timing chain instead of just getting a new engine, how did it worked out for you buddy.? Thank you for your video got a better view of what mechanic tried to explain.
Hey there, did you get a new engine?
exactly what i needed to know thank you
I really wanted a 2017 ford explorer but this was such a bummer! I found a dealer that offered me a free powertrain warranty for life and specifically stated that if this happens to my explorer they will cover parts and labor for me.
Yeah I got mine with a warranty but it only covered $400 of the $2000 repair. This is because water pump counts as coolant repair and it only covers up to $400 on those. Mine started leaking a week after buying it
@@kickthejamz i traded my explorer in at 106k for a mustang mach e
How liking the Mach-e? Pretty cool ride huh?!
Barbour's Auto Help I'm thinking about having the water pump changed at a dealer at 100,000 miles ( at 95000 now) . It's not leaking just trying to head off any disasters before it does. Is this something you would recommend? Thanks for the heads up video!
If/since i am having coolant come out of weep hole..i know/ i saw...then..theres a problem?
Im going through coolant every week or two...my half full coolant resevoir is down to two fingers high everyother day..changing water pump will negate the weephole or is weephole part of design due to too much / coolant/water?
does this apply to the 3.7L V6 Ti-VCT engine in the 2016 Lincoln MKX
I have an 2009 madza sedan 3.7. For about 4 months i have been battling a water pump leak. This is the first video i have watched that explained and showed just what im dealing with. As im typing this i have my car up on jack stands now. Now the problem is that i do not know how to break down the engine for to get to the water pump. Please help me so i will do a great job
I've got 2 videos on my channel where I replace the water pump on my 07 Edge. Part 1 and 2. They are actually linked in the description below this video. May not be exactly like yours but may help.
@@BarboursAutoHelp thanks. ill show and let you the outcome. have a great one
Whats the mileage of the car?
I got recommended to replace water pump before 100k for my ford explorer 2015 v6 3.5... I checked under no leak as of now all good,👍👍 let me know.. Great video,👍👍
Just a little over 140k. I'd say around 100k would be a good time to at least monitor the old water pump. Make it a point to check the side of the block for a coolant "snail trail" every time the oil is changed. (of course you should always check for leaks when doing an oil change no matter what th mileage.) They usually weep when they go bad. Mine just went out catastrophically. While these water pumps do go out the same way mine did I don't see it happen all the time.
@@BarboursAutoHelp thanks mn got it 👍👍
Very informative ...Thanks for the video.......excellent presentation........ Kevin
Thank you for commenting.
Very cool my friend.
Thank you! Cheers!
Hello. A beautiful result. My mazda cx9 3.7 engine has 210,000 miles. Original pump. Original timing. What does valve clearance look like? Do the pushers need to be replaced?
(1) Is there an additive or would changing the coolant more often (every 6 mo?) prolong seal life? (2) do you generally notice a leak before there is catastrophic failure?
1. I'd follow manufacturer's recommendations as to when to flush. I would not use additives. 2. Usually it weeps before catastrophic failure. Check coolant level frequently and inspect for leaks.
@@BarboursAutoHelp would any pressure guage thst would detect lower antifreeze pressure
Had this happen to me also & did Countless Hours of Research & Reading.. I read MANY testimonials of people that Never had a issue, some 300k+ miles and swore by doing Coolant Flush/Changes.. I read of two different fleet mechanics that went from having to do countless Engine Replacements to just Coolant Maintenance..
I also read from the consensus of Mechanics the CORRECT Coolant is Vital !! So NO Additives, NO topping off with what ever is laying around.. So if you're not original owner , your wife or someone posdibly got a $19.99 Oil Change at Stiff U Lube & there's any possibility it's been topped off with one of the Coolants that supposedly don't play well with the Seals I'd Flush & Start from scratch and use the Recommended Motorcraft Big $$ Coolant.. Double Check yourself either in the Manual or a Ford Site because I even had the Dealership try to sell me the wrong crap once saying "its all the same".. 🖕Not !!
Also one last word of warning, there has been instances where the Weep Hole doesn't make it obvious and I also saw (hopefully rare) instances where the inner seal went before the outer pumping all the coolant into the engine and zero weeping..
So My BEST Advice is Check Oil frequently, Check for Color on dipstick, Color on white paper towel after wiping it, Note the Level, If the Level is Ever Higher than the Last Time.. That's an UH OH !! Oh and of course the same with the Coolant level and color..
If you feel you have reason for concern that you might have a problem.. Change the oil and have it tested.. Honestly I just thought of this, never heard of testing antifreeze for oil but I would think it could be done, possibly even by just leaving some in a clear cup for a while to look for separation ?? Idk..
#1 Did the Engine end up surviving & if so how many miles now ? (Congratulations if it Did !!)
#2 I just want to warn watchers/readers that I have seen instances where the Weep Hole didn't Weep giving an obvious heads up prior to 😲🤑.. It's a strange hard to explain set-up, it looks like in theory they (thought) they designed it so one seal would fail before others and it would start pissing out the Weep Hole saying look at me ! Problem over here ! But if I remember correctly sometimes the destroyed seal blocks the hole or they just fail in the wrong order..
Clean Correct Antifreeze, No Additives, Frequent Height & Color Checks of both the Antifreeze & Oil.. Keep a note of level, if it mysteriously raises that's BAD !! Good luck !!
Great video. This really helped me.
Thanks
I am asking you for your opinions. I have a mazde cx9 with a mileage of 180 thousand miles in 2008. The oil has a good color and there is no loss of coolant. Is this drain hole in cx9? Is the liquid leaking in this place when 1 sealant is damaged? If there are no traces of coolant, can I sleep well?
Was looking to replace my 2007 Tahoe with a 2016 Flex, but after hearing about this issue, I think I’ll just pass. I can replace my engine (reman, of course) for less than the price of the fix for this issue. Sucks, because that Flex was in primo condition from what I could tell.
great video very descriptive THANK YOU bro!
Absolutely!!
Perfect explanation thank you
So how do I quickly notice the leak and turn off the car, the liquid will not damage the engine? I rode slowly for 3 km. I noticed the fan working. I stopped and didn't drive the car anymore. Today the mechanic will replace the pump and timing belt. I look at the oil dipstick and see a lot of fluid in the engine. I think 2-3 liters.
You described the problem.
But is there any preventive maintenance to follow?
Thanks.
I'd like to say flush the coolant when needed and everything will be ok. But, the truth of the matter is everything mechanical will fail at some point. Water pumps will leak eventually......on every vehicle. There is no immunity as far as I'm aware.
I have a leak it’s actually coming from a point closer to the fire wall like the back bottom side was wonder if there is anything I can put in it to seal it or do I jus gotta do what u did mines a Ford Taurus 2015 3.5l limited plus I really can’t see coolant but there is Moisture over where I think it’s leaking I changed the thermostat lil while before this happen an I notice this
Excellent video, thanks for posting. Does anything in front of the motor have to be removed to get the timing cover off properly? Radiator?
Click the thumb nail at the end of the video to part one of water pump replacement for my Edge.
Cool stuff
This Lincoln MKS I'm working on is leaking from the weep hole with a brand new pump why?
Don't know. How many gaskets did the new pump come with?
I have a friend who bought a 2016 Explorer Police Interceptor 3.7L and coolant/water leaks in the area of PTU or in front of it. We couldn't see from where the water was coming from. If water pump issue, as you suggested, it would leak from side of the engine. Can that water pump leak make it to the back of the engine?
There is a weep hole under the intake as well. They can leak from there also. However, it’s more of a rare occurrence. It’s possible that this could be the leak. Of course verify.
Do i need to seal where the leak comming from or i'm good if i already replace waterpump ?
Thanka bro
Ford designed it this way because on the transverse mounted engine applications, they could not fit the external water pump in those applications.
Why would anyone put a water pump internal to the engine?????
Ford ain't the only one that did it.
So that you will have to pay a “dealership” $1700 to replace a60 dollar part.
This named STPd engineering ,for me , all F fords looks like (Russian tech) big for nothing , I was a Master tech on T72 T*nks , my always question , how ford are still in business , with there very low quality of engineering ..thanks
I've been working on vehicles for over 20 years I think every manufacturer has engineers that hate mechanics. Lol. But seriously I wouldn't single out Ford. Check out my other stuff on GM, Chrysler and Honda. They all have stuff that will make you say.... What in the world where they thinking?!.
Looking at this from both an engineering and business point-of-view, I am not sure that it is a bad idea to put the water pump inside the engine. I may be wrong on this, but it seems to me that since the chain will be in constant motion to sync the cam and crankshafts, it makes a lot of sense to exploit this to create cooling without additional energy requirements. That likely will help with the overall fuel efficiency of the car. And, since it seems that most of the water pump failures would take place above 100K miles, Ford business leaders may have thought that after 100+K a car does not owe anyone anything, and that if someone wants to run a car above 100K and onward, it is reasonable to expect them to absorb the costs.
Not defending Ford on this. I loved the water pump placement until I hated it. But I am trying to leave myself out of this and see it from an engineering and business perspective.
It seem to me like u had a lil mixture going on in the oil did the car run but normally after this ? And is it the same for a 2013 mkz
Mine is not leaking inside oil but is coming outt slow but it leaves slowly idk it’s weird and I think I found the solution thanks
Hey would you happen to know why oil would be coming out the wheel hole ???
Did the engine survive? Or did you have to replace the whole engine
SURVIVAL!!!
@@BarboursAutoHelp Fantastic you must’ve caught it just in time
I feel very fortunate.
@@BarboursAutoHelp I have nothing against Fords, but that’s a really really terrible design if you’re not vigilant checking your oil and or coolant you’re going to end up with a destroyed engine ,And a massive bill
@@BarboursAutoHelp how do you know if don’t catch it in time? Are there “tell-tale” symptoms I should or can be looking/listening for? Great video! Thanks in advance!
Why don't they run it out side of timing cover.like old days .
Im getting some leaking from that same area on my 2017 Explorer. My oil looks clean from the dip stick. Car started getting too hot a couple months ago so I refilled the coolant, and now the coolant it low again. What do you think? Same thing?
Sounds like it.
Water outlet? What was it
Stop driving now, get to a competent tech asafp
I am losing coolant at times and found a puddle of coolant one time. I see seepage near my alternator, but it looks more like oil. I also have oil on the trans fluid cap and all around it. I have no symptoms of a blown head gasket. I cant see the oil being runaway oil from oil changes. What do i have going on here?
2013 Taurus 3.5
Not sure. You'll need to pin point where the oil is coming from. There is no way I can do that for you here unfortunately.
HOW LONG CAN YOU RUN IT WITH COOLANT IN THE OIL BEFORE DESTROYING THE ENGINE??
Who knows.
Si when the weep hole is leaking do that means I’ll have to replace the whole water pump on my Ford flex 2010 v6 3.5?
If it is leaking then it is bad. So, yes.
2015 Ford Explorer starting leaking coolant. Warning light came on indicating that "engine coolant temperature is too hot" or something along those lines. Puddle under explorer seems to be under the radiator fill rather than under alternator. Took to Ford dealership and they are saying it's water pump. Can I really trust their diagnostic, i.e. is there some way to know for sure that it's the pump and not a leaky hose?
Did you look?
I have this same exact weep symptom. Is the car safe to drive on a long-ish (5 hour) trip as long as I keep an eye on coolant levels before repairing it? Of course this crops up just before the thanksgiving holiday so we don’t have time to get it in for repair.
I'd never say a vehicle is safe to drive with a leaking water pump.
Curious 🤔, what end up happening to the car? Success? (Hopefully everything's good....I know you said you drained the fluid out with metal shavings and chanced it) give us an update!! Thanks
Going strong, Boston. Going strong. That engine is a beast.
Thank you very informative
Glad it was helpful!
Was the engine salvageable? I ask bc I recently bought 2010 Fusion (unaware of this issue) and came across this problem (FML).
Yes. My wife has been driving it ever since!
Weep
@Barbour's Auto Help love to hear this! 👏👏👏
Do you have to take the timing cover off to change the first seals for the wheel hole?
You have to replace the water pump to fix a leak from a weep hole on this engine. That requires removing the timing cover.
Great video
Thanks!
my edge 2010 edge same problem the engine can turn super hard and sometimes get stuck and i haven't clean the oil pan should i just replace the whole engine or gamble and just replace the water pump and headgaskets
Why would you replace the head gaskets?
@@BarboursAutoHelp i bought it to fix it and previous owner said had blown headgasket and also they did drove that car with bad water pump for a while
and they said car dye while driving but i check the car and it does turn the engine but not super easy and i checked the cam shaft journals and the have a little bit of damage but no to bad so im confused and i been trying to to get some info canttttt find anything should i replce the engine or just clean it get some parts and pray to hopefully starts
also thank you for replying i really appreciate
@ofalejandro12 Hmmm.. blown head gaskets are very rare on these. I wonder if they just guessed.
Is there any way to prevent this?
More frequent oil or coolant changes? Some kind of additive treatment to help the pump seal or shaft bearing?
Do the weep hole also help indicate shaft bearing failure?
Thanks
To my knowledge there is really nothing you can do. Yes, keep up with maintenance and such, but this is just something that happens......on most vehicles. Its not necessarily an indication of a bearing failure. It can be but not typically. Weeping is an indication of a seal failure.
Water pumps fail on many cars, and this is just a very difficult one to get to and costs a fortune to do. Smart engineering
My cord Taurus x 2008 is leaking a crap ton of coolant at a fast rate but it’s leaking from the top of the alternator towards the front of the engine . Could this be something else besides the water pump?
No chance in hell it is anything other than a water pump.
man I think this may be mine, but can a large amount of water come out of yon weep hole?
I keep seeing people changing the timing chain, should they also change the water pump? will an aftermarket warranty cover my cx 9 water pump and engine
damage?
Not a bad idea. You'll have to ask a warranty company about what they do and don't cover.
Would water seepage from this water pump into your oil supply cause white smoke to exit from the exhaust pipe, by chance? And are there any other specific auto models / engines (non-Ford) which we should be aware of which use this same type of completely internally mounted water pumps? Thanks.
I wouldn't think that coolant seeping into the engine from the water pump would cause white smoke from the tail pipe. As far as other non-Ford vehicles that have water pumps mounted inside the timing cover, yes. Google it.
@@BarboursAutoHelp Thanks. Will do.
My 2013 Sport just hit 130,000 miles and the water pump is now leaking ever so slightly out of the weep hole. Its hard to see the area but the coolant is dripping down the AC compressor and oil pan. Oil looks like oil still so I'm hoping this is fixable.
You caught it at a very good time.
I have a 2013 Ford Taurus , seems to have coolant a leak but it’s at the bottom of the radiator that you can barely see. Two mechanics said it’s the water pump and the other said it’s the radiator. Which one should be replaced ?
Well, that's a question that's entirely impossible for me to answer. I don't know. Maybe have a 3rd tech look at it. I can't see it....so.
I have a 2011 SEL Taurus with 109k.
They should be able to trail the coolant leak to pin point where it’s coming from. If not watch the levels of ur coolant weekly
I was thinking about buying a (3.7engine) Mazda 2011 GT with 69,000 miles should I change the water pump and timing chain?
Thats your call. But, i don't believe that's a Ford engine in that Mazda. Didn't Ford and Mazda slit in 08?
How long was your waterpump leaking before you changed it?
I don’t know. I bought the vehicle that way. I know it was leaking when I bought it.
First of all thanks for the video
What are the other most common signs of bad water pump for example antifreeze lost or something else?
I always go down on my vehicles and noticed a very small drip below alternator and saw some kind of dry liquid sign . But my antifreeze level is normal.
You think it could be condensation from your ac line at the compressor?
@@BarboursAutoHelp i hope so.this time it feels a little greasy but it was very small. My wife thinks I’m crazy because I check it everyday 🤣 I’m going to go to the dealer to do pressure test just to be safe.
MILK SHAKE OIL
@Don Sigler too late by that point
How long do these pumps last I have a 2015 taurus police with 120k miles on it and I have no knowledge of the pumps replaced or not should I call the dealer and ask?
My 2016 Explorer just started weeping with only 45k miles on it. $2500 to replace! I'm pissed!
I have a 2015 3.7 transit just got it last year ever time I drive it I smell coolant and have to add Coolant I ended up blowing my motor I replaced it with a low mile one and it’s starting to do the same thing I didn’t change it so I don’t know if they change the water pump but not seeing where the coolant is going is driving me crazy if you can point me in the right direction would help me out a lot thanks in advance
I don't think this video applies to that vehicle.
Common leak points are the coolant hose connector o-rings and the turbo coolant line Jiffy fittings. The o rings get hard and don’t seal.
Barbour how would you rate this engine? Looking to buy my wife a Lincoln MKX with 120k miles. Our GMC Acadia big problems were I replaced transmission three times one under warranty and the timing chain, oil pump and water pump. Never had a problem unit 230,000. The old girl made 340,000 CAM BUSS failure ECM. I am a heavy equipment mechanic is the only way we could afford all the repairs.
In my opinion it's a VERY solid and reliable engine that produces plenty of power. It just stinks when the water pump has to be replaced. It's hard to say what I would rated it from 1-10. I'll just say I dont see these engines in for much other than pumps and chains and very few at that. I'm a huge fan!
Don't even think about the 3.7
@Don Sigler curious why you say this? It's just a bored 3.5 with the same exact issues as far as I know.
I think I have that happen to my Lincoln MKT 2010 did ur car get fix or it got ruined I love my car but it’s has been lots of thing getting damaged and everything cost a lot like the fuel injector light engine cape up ugh
Got mine fixed
so if antifreeze is leaking from the seal behind the alternator. It means that my waterpum does not work properly.
It means you have a leak.
Great video, but I have a 2010 Ford flex and I've been told more than one person that these water pumps are well over 2 or 3k to replace. Do you know if the Ford Edge and the flex had the same engines?
I believe so.
@@BarboursAutoHelp thank you!
same
Oh, The Horror
My 2009 Ford flex is leaking from the weep hole😢😢😢
Mine is gushing out coolant from that area? Oil looks good, dropped it off at the dealer, what do you think?
I think they will definitely take car of it. Probably one of the best places to take it. They know how to do it.
@@BarboursAutoHelp I just had this problem at 87,000 miles. Crazy the work required to replace it. If you don't catch it the eventually it dumps coolant into the engine oil creating the chocolate milkshake and engine is done.
If you mentioned this in your video, I must have missed it. My question........Is there a way to make the water pump last longer or is the water pump issue completely random?
I don't know of a way to make it last longer. They tend to go out sometime after 100k miles...if they do fail.
@@BarboursAutoHelp Very helpful, thanks for replying.
No problem 😊
One thing. get off that oil blend, to synthetics change coolant 30.000 miles, Tech at a Lincoln Dealer Advice
@@donsigler588 Thank for the information.
Hi Sir I don't have the special locking tools for my 2013 ford explorer 3.5 engine and am trying to replace my water pump. But I noticed something that made me stop to seek help before I continue. Immediately I took my timing chain off the left side phaser I saw the phaser turning, why is that. Have i damaged my engine?
Need your help please.
You Can't have one of these engines without truely 'Weeping", into a hanky
The engine is fine . The phaser just didn’t lock when it was turned off. I’ve seen that many times.
Spend the $20 for the tools to lock the cams next time.
I got a lifetime powertrain warranty from the dealer just has long has I do maintenance there and only cost 100 dollars if it ever goes out or I would not bought the vehicle lol
Lovely design ford!
Ford is not the only one.
@@BarboursAutoHelp In my 18 years and hundreds of Make/Model pumps, this is my first one waiting to go under the knife!
Then again though, I absolutely refuse to work on anything designed in Europe..
@@ripptydevibes2581 Subaru, Nissan, Mazda, and Infinity all have an engines that has an internal water pump. Thats just a small list. I'm certain I am leaving a few out. I don't think any of those are designed in Europe.
@@ripptydevibes2581 And the funny thing about it...The ones that don't have an internal water pump design, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they don't adopt this as well. Wouldn't surprise me at all.
@@BarboursAutoHelp I was not aware! Havent run into any of them yet. This ford is gonna be my first which just reminded me I have to order that Lisle cam chuck.
If the weep hole plug pops out, is the weep hole plug replaceable?
Never heard of a weep hole plug. If weep hole of water pump is leaking. New water pump needed.
I had my water pump go out a couple of years ago on my 3.5 flex. Now I’m leaking coolant like crazy again. How much of a chance it could be the water pump again. Looked on to and underneath but can’t see where it is coming from
Could be. You'll need to check it and make sure or have a tech look at it.
@@BarboursAutoHelp scheduled tomorrow to have it checked. I hoping not because it happened before and hurt my pockets bad lol. Thanks for your input
No problem
@@rjdatdude23 what was it?
Can you update us on what your issues was???
Helpfull thanks
Glad it helped
can you please tell us how often this water pump should be changed on 6th gen V6 engine ?
There is no maintenance interval. But in my experience they usually go out sometime after the 100k miles mark. That sometime could be between 100k and never. Best just to inspect for leaks ever oil change in my opinion.
@@BarboursAutoHelp thanks a lot for a good advice. Ukraine is watching )
WhT about F150 2016 flex fuel
3.5 6 cyl ti vct. Is that the same internal pump?
That's an external pump.
@@BarboursAutoHelp thank you, I called dealership today and they also said external.Thanks, guess I can
relax on that then.Whew
2007 Ford Taurus 3.0L I was told I have a small leak
How much coolant where you loosing through the weep hole before it went out? Did you notice a low reservoir?
I bought the vehicle after it went out catastrophically. Im sure there was plenty of warning signs..... especially judging by the permanent snail trail on the side of my block.
@@BarboursAutoHelp oh you got it cheap to try and salvage. Was the engine trashed?
I got extremely lucky .
My 11 Taurus SEL is in the shop with the exact same issue. No warning! No check engine lights, nothing. 142K miles. I will say to anyone worried about this failure happening and trying to prevent it, pay attention to herky jerky very random transmission shifts. Why? Once the coolant REALLY starts to leak it sprays toward the tranny. Also long before the catastrophe, I would hear a very high pitch whistle sound generated in the abyss of that 3.5L engine. You can hear that sound on the freeway when there's a wall to the left of the drivers side or in the drive thru of your favorite restaurant. Other than that, its not a matter of if its a matter of when, WHEN I SAY! 😝 I'M SO GLAD I GOT A WARRANTY. I was told today that they are replacing the engine because its easier than repairing the failed one.
How does the leak spray towards the trany?
That same engine is also in Mazdas. CX9 anyway.
Is this water pump on the naturally aspirated 3.5 or only the eco boost
Both. But not on every Ford vehicle though. You won't find this on an F150 or transit. If you see an externally mounted water pump on a Ford with a 3.5 or 3.7 then this will not apply.
@@BarboursAutoHelp thx
Only the FWD 3.5/3.7 use the internal pump. The rear drive version has a idler pulley in its place with the water pump being externally mounted.
Ridiculous design. Have the chance to buy an otherwise in good condition 2016 Edge but with this motor I won't chance it.
If I had the chance to buy a 2016 Edge I'd do it in a heart beat. (my opinion) These are great engines....just the water pump design is not the best. That being said. My 07 Edge is still going strong...even after catastrophic water pump failure.
What yr did ford go with this chain driven water pump on the f150s?
I'm not aware that Ford went with a chain driven water pump for F150s.
Or the internal water pump?
To my knowledge F150s do not have either.
After u fix it how long will it last after that
I'd say you should plan on replacing it every 100k. They usually go out between 120-140k in my experience.