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27 "Overstable" Midranges take flight to find out which one is the most understable!
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Sounds like a Pyro is exactly what you're looking for
Pyro is a world class disc and the prism plasma plastic is beautiful
I have thrown one but it wasn’t vibing with my backhand grip for some reason
Agreed. Pyro is what I bad for this shot.
Pyro or a Justice.
Also I use my zone more than my overstable midrange.
I throw a DGA Quake in SP plastic. Love it!
Me too, it's such a game changer. Feels good fh and BH and the plastic is so good.
Second the Quake!
Quake gang
I gotta say I kinda like a video of you personally going through discs that at least on paper match what you want and figuring out which one(s) will actually make the bag.
Mint Bobcat and Remix Battleship are both the same mold and might be what you're looking for. I bag the Plazma Battleship.The Dynamic Discs Verdict in Lucid plastic flies like my Plasma Remix Battleship, but with a little more distance. The Verdict likes to be thrown hard and fast. I bag both the Verdict and the Battleship because of the distance difference.
I got a Battleship as well and loved the feel and flight but I didn't get to pick my color when I ordered it and got a dark brown. So unfortunately, I rarely bag it due to it getting lost very easily in wooded courses.
The disc that covers this spot in my bag is the Elaine King Eclipse Reactor
I was thinking the glow reactor as well
Same here. It is awesome on backhand and is absolute money for forehand from skip shots to flex lines.
I use mine as a glow stable version of my beloved Matrix...
Missing out on the Dynamic Discs Verdict and my personal fav, the Supreme Fugitive.
I like to bag the lucid EMacTruth as a neutral flier, and the lucid Verdict for the overstable slot. I also bag a lucid Justice for stupid overstable. I love that all of these discs have the same great hand-feel for me and the plastic is the same.
Heck yeah that trio is what I bag as well
I gotta say, I love this videos but this one is one of my favorite. I like how you are trying to find this slot for your bag, adds to us, all trying to do the same thing instead of just looking into flight numbers!
Great stuff as always Greg! I just went through a similar quest looking for a dead straight midrange that finished straight. Hand feel and plastic types make a huge difference in confidence factor. The "I just don't like it." Is the best answer ever. I ended up with the K1 Svea filling that slot perfectly for me. Good luck in the tournament this weekend!
Thanks for being so relatable. This is the best series on CZcams. I laughed out loud when you said, "...even though it smells horrible." hahaha
Millennium solstice is another one to try out! I love it for both BH and FH
That's the old Innova-made MD4 mold!
After watching the intro - the Verdict is what you seek! After watching the vid ‐ The Archive, cool 👌
VIP Glimmer Bard, fantastic fit between my Toro and Roc3. For when you really can't drift right.
Thanks for taking us through this journey Greg!
I used to be a Pyro guy. I'm now loving the Zone.
I really like my Lucid Ice Glimmer Verdict. I bag that as well as a Fuzion-X Emac Truth, and for me that Emac Truth flies pretty reliably straight with a subtle end fade.
Came here to comment DGA SP Quake and see I'm not the firsr.
My bag is mostly Prodiscus and Kastaplast but the DGA Quake in SP is excellent. I've bagged them since 2017. Great mold.
I was looking for that overstable mid, that glides and tried so many. Kastaplast Nord is my opinion the best out of the box.
Funny, I bag a Quake, Pyro and Inca all for slightly different situations for that slot. Good choice and I couldn't gelp but chuckle at the toxic waste plastic comment since I had to air out my blackout for a while.
Hopefully we get on the same card this weekend, good luck!
Have you tried a Reactor? That what I got when I wanted an “Envy but in a midrange” and it’s been working for me. Like the envy, it’s not too over where it dumps into the ground. It pushes straight pretty far before reliably fading at the end. I really like that disc.
The Legacy Badger is my favorite midrange. I've been throwing it since it was a prototype.
Do you own the Patrick Brown version? The Aztec Serpent? Crazy beefy.
I like the Pursuit more than the badger, but both are criminally underated. Wish Legacy would run either of them in Excel, even Gravity would be sick; something cyclable.
Really cool to see you throw some Legacy and Prodigy. I’ve tried the MX-1, M1, M2/3, M4 and Stryder. Gonna have to try the Archive.
I liked the format of this flight number don’t matter a lot. Adding in hand feel to your assessment was an interesting addition that often gets ignored. 👍👍
Dynamic Discs Verdict is extremely underrated. My personal OS mid.
5'10" 210lbs
My short list (forehand only):
Champion Luster Shark3
Daredevil Walrus Performance Elastomer
Champion Rocx3
Champion Roc3
Alpine Lichen Magnolia
Stacie (Haas) Kiefer Eclipse Reactor
The winner is the Magnolia.
I learned from your interview with Josh of AGL that the metal flake is actually regrind of discarded foil stamp waste. Definitely not rock hard like that hemp one, think star with metal flake.
Great video! You might want to note that Mint recently updated the Mustang numbers to have a fade of 1 instead of 2. They have a new disc called the Taco that’s supposed to take the place of a mid with 2 or 3 fade.
The new Mint Taco is right in that sweet spot you're describing.
It definitely fits that slot for me!
I was coming here to recommend the Taco as well!
The dynamic verdict is the correct answer 👌🏻
I know it’s not as easy to find, but I love my Legend Pursuit.
Was nice to see some Legacy thrown (Badger).
Along with the stability, the archive has been flying close to the distance of my fairways… one of the favorites in the bag
Good luck in your tournament!
Good luck in the tournament!
I’m currently throwing Elevation Gecko for the overstable slot but it’s reeeally beafy so maybe I need to set out and look for something that’s still overstable but not an absolute overkill. It’s so windy lately that I really need to check these out.
God damn I love these videos. THANK YOU from Finland
I have really been enjoying the Birdie Disc Golf Supply "Ultra" in this slot! Works well forehand and backhand, with reliable over stability. Like a long range Z Zone in flight.
Thank you for another great video! 😊 I used to throw a DX Roc3 for that slot and had a DGA Quake on standby as a roller. I've since begun throwing a little better and have beat my Roc3 in to the point that it flies mostly straight now, so I've replaced it with the Quake. Don't know DGA's plastics, but it feels like Innova's Star plastic.
Next time I need one in this slot, I may give the Halo Roc3 a shot.
I really appreciate the time and effort you put into bringing us this series. It's one of the most useful series I've seen.
Thanks again for sharing.
Do you play in Utah alot?
@@campitts9356 No, sorry. The username is a long story. I lived there for a very long time, but that was now a long time ago. I just became aware of disc golf a couple of years ago, from CZcams. I've been playing almost a year now. I now live in central Florida.
My go to is the OOP Discraft ESP Hornet. Love this disc. Have a decent stockpile of backups
I use the pyro but there are so many good ones. I really enjoy the archive too.
I really enjoy the RPM Glow Kotuku for this shot. Also love the Pyro for my beefy backhand and power forehand
I've been loving The Kat Mertsch Color Glow Jay. 🙌🏼 From Innova.
Hey Greg, longtime listener, first time....caller? Commenter? Typer? :P It's the Roc3 (Color Glow) or the ESP Zone for me. I go to the Zone more often for forehand. But I love the Roc3 for it's versatility. I can get it to go arrow straight on full power, throw 250ish foot hyzers, or get it to turn and hold. Power down a bit, and boom, reliably overstable.
The way I describe the Doomsday Scope is like a Zone SS. I actually bag it as a flip-up straight mid. The Desolation is also absolutely money, and sits between my Scope and a Remix Gladius (aka a Mint Taco).
im currently dealing with this same slot in my bag. I rock discmania mids . and i love my MD3/Chariots but wanted more beef between MD3 and MD5. the MD4 just got approved so going to have to try that. my short list is Mil Solstice or new MD4, Mint taco(tsa crux), glow reactor, archive, or Quake .😅
Kaxe Z was the disc for me. Except I couldn't find it in K1 (non-soft) and pink
Check out the Stokley Disc Cardinal!
Guess I'm lucky I feel quite comfortable with a Pyro,
Matrix, Hex, Uplink line up for stability.
Right now, I use a Viking Loki. I have it in Armor plastic now (premium opaque blend) because I lost my Storm blend one (hard translucent). They only make one color for each plastic and the Storm being orange just doesn't work in the NM desert. They both work for me on forehands and backhands and they give me a little more distance than the "pure utility" slot, where I have an MVP Deflector...Storm was definitely more overstable than Armor. I love how it feels in my hand and hope future runs come out the same way. They call it "wide diameter" on the Infinite site but it's in my bag next to a Buzzz and it's nowhere near as wide as the Buzzz.
I like the west side pine for that slot
EVERYONE HAS A COLD RIGHT NOW!!!!
Had to sit out this week's local league due to my cold... 😢😢
Thank you for this content. I'd be interested to see a making of the bag for your son Or wife or other people.. Keep it in the flight numbers don't matter series. Maybe Caleb. Per slot
Not a single MVP?
I love the metal flake Md-5 great for force over shots
Should have tried the MX-1 from prodigy. That thang is stable!
I was thinking that the Streamline Runway going to be on this vid. From your description of what you were looking, that hade thinking Runway.
You’re looking for a max weight champion metal flake gator. I also throw backhand. Theres always a gator in my bag for that slow controlled reliable fade, and it’s absolutely clutch when it comes to those scramble shots, where a controlled tomahawk or scoober is needed.
Had this same slot open recently. Ended up liking the Bobcat and Trust the most
All the best at the tournament, Greg! Send us some updates after the rounds.
Good luck Greg!
I have an Archive in 500 plastic. Love that disc.
My main OS midrange and favorite midrange overall is a Champion Roc3. I also have a Pyro for shots where I need something a bit more stable than the Roc3.
I’ve used a a shark3 with very good results, but I have just been powering down on a tee bird for the gap range that was mentioned.
Btw, I’m still figuring out how to set up a bag for playing. I have no idea what “holes”I have in my bag! Could you do a video about that? Maybe use your experience preparing for the tournament as an example.
I think this will be covered in a future Defining Disc Golf video
Holes in the bag are usually identified by the courses you frequently play.
I carry some discs because they're only really useful off the tee on like 2-3 holes out of the 4-5 courses I play, and some of those are 36 hole courses lol
@@ViJt-oq5nqThanks very much! I appreciate the info.
Latitude 64 Royal Trust is what I keep in the bag along with my K1 Jarn. My Trust is pretty flat (heard some can be more domey) and it isn't crazy overstable but has enough finish for me even though it has good glide. I want to get my hands on a Grand Orbit Trust at some point to see if it is a touch more overstable. The quality of the Lat64 Royal plastic is just insane and it takes dyes so well.
nice video :) im throwing a combo of discraft z/esp hornets and esp flx drones for my overstable midranges. the hornet is a bit more straight with a bit more glide but never flips too much. its not really produced anymore though, except for special releases and i have never found it in a plastic i really like. i prefer softer plastics like esp flx. but it flies soooo perfect for me and i have confidence with it so i cant get rid of it haha :D the drone is more of a meathook for those odd situations and strong headwinds. i dont actually throw an understable mid right now, so those are my only two midranges in my bag. the midrange is probably my least used slot in my bag too. i prefer speed 3.5 (lots of diffrent ringers) or 9-11 (heat/vulture/scorch/machete). Maybe i should force myself to use mids more and see what happens.
The quake by DGA is perfect for me in this slot. But the ultra by birdie and the pyro by axiom have that great reliable overstable flight that i look for in that slot also
I like the Pyro over the Quake due to the plastic feeling a bit grippier for my hands, but they're both great and almost identical in feel. The Ultra seems to come up alongside those two a lot -- how would you compare it?
@DavidCornelius yea you'll never hear me have anything bad to say about the pyro. I bag the Austin turner quake and it flies almost identical to the ultra for me. Maybe the ultra gets a bit more distance, but it came to hand feel for me and the quake just felt right.
I throw mostly Westside discs. The Bard flies straight for me. It has some fade, but nothing like what you have here. I don’t think I actually have a disc for this slot. (Maybe the Järn). Someone gifted me a Pyro and an Archive, I should give them a toss to see if they work for me. Good luck in your tournament this weekend.
Bards can vary a bit depending on the run.
The lone star middy is perfect!
Good luck!
I have used in the past beaten Tactic for this slot but now I have liked my Eclipse Reactor. It feels similar in the hand as hex.
Seriously loving my roc3's now. Got a few in glow dx and mcpro, and a few in champ glow and jolly launcher. Bag like 7 now and between those and 3 teebirds and a firebird i can throw basically any line. Also i feel like different plastics are more accurate to certain flight numbers
I definitely recommend the west side discs, gatekeeper, and the pine currently trying to decide between those two when I need more distance than the harp
I love my Glo Quake in this spot!
Star roc x3 is awesome. lil flip up and consistent fade - gator for headwinds
I threw a handful of these before landing on MVP Pyro. I pack Zone, Pyro and Mutant for my "mid" overstable slots.
Those eMac Truths are more wind resistant than one might think due to the low profile, just a tiny bit less distance than a fairway. I think the new Supreme ones are most OS to begin at least? But the fuzion-X '22 eMac Tour Series with a poptop in the middle but being flat closer to the rim are supposed to be the most OS before that, and it is stable for sure! ;) (Bagging a blue of those OS ones and a beat in fuzion Burst which just goes on the release angle and glides forever!)
I highly suggest trying out a Legacy Pursuit! The icon is great, Pushes very straight. Pinnacle feels great and has even more stability! Feels close to the Quake.
I had/have that same gap in my bag. I need something in between my Volt and Lasso. I have a Reactor but it is lazer straight now. I currently bag mint’s bobcat after taking lonestar’s Middy out the bag. I want to try the pyro or resistor but they are hard to find at my local shops so I’m gonna try your store!
holy crap, your hand makes those look like mini's! I use the nuetron matrix for that spot. The DX Roc for the slot under it.
Yikun discs has 2 pretty amazing overstable mids with the Zheng and Kui, 5 5 0 2 and 5 5 0 2.5 respectively. You should try those out, pretty awesome discs.
Funny that when the video started I was thinking "sounds like he's looking for an ice orbit truth" and considering the truth made it to your short list makes me feel like I'm not a complete moron when it comes to disc choice.
Got an old Moonshine Anchor from Lat64 which is money!
Would be sweet if you made a video series throwing several of the exact same mold and plastic, looking for which brands / molds are the most/least reliable.
I find some manufacturers to be incredibly unreliable, and its quite frustrating when you can't feel the discs before throwing...
Proton deflector for me for super beef with headwinds. I have a 500 archive I’m loving for a straight disc with predicable fade
I haven't seen the full video yet, but from what i gathered about half way in Terminal Velocity Discs Ursus could be just the disc. It is the one i bag and probably my most used disc in glass plastic (I use it more than i should just because of the feel)
I just started the video. I'm hoping to see a Legacy Badger. Specifically, the Patrick Brown Aztec Serpent. It's a puddle top 5303. By far, the most stable disc I own. I've said this many times, it's gotta be the Tilt of midranges 😂 Anytime I give it to someone to throw, they immediately start laughing as soon as it leaves their hand. I've yet to see someone review or throw it on CZcams.
Edit: omg you're reviewing one! Very cool. I don't remember it being a 6 speed 😂 but my memory isnt great 😂 yours flies a lot different. I was expecting way more beef. If you ever get a chance, throw the Aztec Serpent 😁
I bag 2 methods for my midrange. One exo hard for straight to flippy and one vapor for straight to overstable
Streamline Runway is my disc for that
i tried a nebula from discraft and enjoyed it for this spot!
Im bagging a Lab 2nd Neutron Reactor in this slot, really comfortable forehand and backhand. I also bag an MD5 but it doesnt get much action more of a utility disc.
I'm in the same boat. I go Px-3 to a thunderbird. Iv been trying a kaxe but about to pull it for a mx-3
Straight up, my old DX gator is my go to for 200-230 OS shots and Buzzz OS cryzstal OOP
Awesome video, im on the same journey. The new matty-o vip x orbit pine, where do you guys think it lands?
I'm a big Loft fan and recently have been on the fence about my Silicon too, nearly same reasons. They make the discs so smooth to be comfortable in the hand but i feel like my release is more inconsistent with it, and I'm not entirely sure why. Great for forehands though for me.
My go to reliably stable midrange has been the Dynamic Discs Suspect for over a year. But it has recently started getting a little too flippy occasionally, so might be time for a new one.
DGA Quake for sure. The Pyro will be the trendy choice, but the Quake is a true "Buzzz OS" and will never leave my bag
You should try the DD Verdict (slightly more stable Emac Truth) or the Westside Anvil (beadless Justice). Those are my two favorite overstable mids.
Warrior! (have it in grip plastic)
I was looking for something better than the Roc and Roc3, and this one has more glide and a good fade. I'm a lower arm speed so I don't know if it would apply to you. I was surprised that it was overlooked.
West side warship, hex, and the Malta in my bag
Pinnacle Recluse is another from Legacy. I love the big bead to compliment Ghosts.
The EXACT fit for your targeted spot is…. the Anchor from Latitude64!
Champ roc3. But thinking about different plastics. Love halo, and gstar so I think those are what I'm going to grab next
RPM Kotuku might be worth a try also. Strata or Atomic plastic sounds like it'll be perfect for what you need
I bag a 500 archive for that slot used to bag a m2 but archive hand feel is so o good
I love the resistor for this slot. More of a fairway driver but especially on forehand it can handle torque no problem. Might require a higher armspeed backhand though