What actually is the straightest midrange? Axiom Hex vs Innova Mako3! | Flight Numbers Don’t Matter
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2:55 “mids fill a purple” 😂😂
Every disc in my bag flies straight. Straight into a tree.
The attention to detail is unparalleled! Well done 👏 (ps: an anonymous source told us a new disc called the "DUNE" is pretty straight 😅)
Sounds like Part 3 material to me! People keep making sweet midranges so we'll just have to keep testing, comparing, analyzing... (ps: love what you do!)
Well, have to admit this Panda shill is a Dune truth speaker !
@@SixSidedDiscsMight as well add in the new MVP James Conrad Detour 5/5/-2/1.
I haven't thrown one yet, but my guess is the -2 turn is probably more like a -1.5 or -1 🤷.
Someone else pointed it out, but he throws slight hyzer on most of these discs. That will change how it flies
Build a machine to throw. Otherwise you could say this on every single channel that does test or reviews.
I just wanted to say the production value has increased so much over the years. Congrats on the progress and good on you for not being afraid to change it up.
I'd imagine it depends what you call a "straight midrange". For me, if it flies dead straight brand new, then I don't want it because it's going to be understable after a few tree hits. I prefer something that barely fades when it's new so that it beats into the perfect straight flyer. For more, the neutron Hex is definitely that disc! Funny enough, my eclipse Hex is much more overstable than all of my neutrons.
Ehhhhh. My comet is holding up really well on not changing in how it flies. Its getting puddled its so beat. And it started slightly undertsable but hasnt gotten worse. Just enough that i can oush it as flat as i can down the narrowest tunnels in my area and it tracks well enough to hold the line and not smack the trees.
There are definitely exceptions to the rule, but the concept of a disc beating in and becoming more understable isn't really debatable lol that's a pretty well established fact. @@KarstRats
@@TyCampbellTX well yeah i didnt say it wasnt going ti happen. Just more so with different discs. Why i said my comet is holding up well. Not that it isnt changing.
These flight numbers don’t matter videos have become my some of my new favorites. I keep rewatching them all, great info in these👏🏼
The trash panda dune and inner core are stupid straight. So versatile, I love them
my favorite straight mid is the prodigy m2. it can resist some torque and even carry overstable flights at low speed but when you power into it it becomes laser straight. its flexibility is so nice
I was thinking the same thing. Prodigy needs to be represented more.
These videos are great but I just want to point out that if you pause on release, you can see your player is throwing almost every single shot on slight hyzer. Don't get me wrong, that is my most comfortable release angle as well, but it does have an effect on flight. He is basically making every disc slightly more overstable, where the -1 turn is being used to just flip to flat, and you are seeing a more pronounced fade. You should consider this for future videos.
I noticed this too. I try to release everything flat, which means most of these discs are too understable to be a straight flier.
Fully agree!
Yeah thats why i cant stand these videos. These people must think they are robotic with disc angles or something. Even a mm angle change will change the flight lol. People think they know more about the numbering process than the companies that have been doing it forever.
Would like to see the lat 64 fuse and the gateway mystic. On the understable side but still in your speed range.
My Mystic is one of my favorite. I've nailed so many turnover shots off the tee. I'm the worst forehand player in my friend group I play with, so the Mystic basically evens that out.
They tested Fuse in their previous video about straight midranges: czcams.com/video/pKEQavJXo_I/video.html
Great video!! I switched from a Champ Mako3 to a Proton Hex about 3 weeks ago, and I'm really glad I made the change! The Mako3 is a great disc, but it's a little deeper than I prefer and I seemed to have a hard time getting a consistent release with it. The Hex is a tiny bit shallower than a Mako3, but it made all the difference for me. If I were going to play a one-disc round, it would be with my Proton Hex!
What disc does Caleb bag for his straight midrange?
I picked up a Steady Berry at Idlewild this year from the Infinite/Clash/TSA players, and I'm glad to see I don't have an obscene noodle arm and that they really are a little stiff out of the box. I can attest to the durability of the plastic though!
Thank you so much for this video and this series. I agree that there are a lot of hidden gems out there with flight numbers I wouldn't think about.
Considering I don't have the money to try discs I'm not sure of, I really appreciate you're doing this testing to help narrow down the field.
I have a slower arm and realize that discs may fly different for me, but I don't feel that takes away from the value of the information you are so freely sharing.
Thanks again and keep up the great work!
This is where this series and other good disc review videos value is found by the amateur/non sponsored disc golfers. Less money $ dumped into plastic that won’t work in the straight mid slot!
Great series. Great comparisons. Super informative.
I think this illustrates a gap in the market to generate an independent testing method of creating flight numbers.
Thank you for including the Gateway Element. I love that disc!!
Been loving the platinum blend! Favorite disc!
How far are you throwing these discs? If it was mentioned, I missed it. Would be so helpful if you included a stamp with each throw of roughly how far each went (even +/- 20 ft would be very helpful). You already did a great job to mention the elevation. If you throw distance and wind conditions you'd have a great video. Bonus points if you mention temperature.
I have thrown and own many discs are my go-to's for a guaranteed straight flight are my Opto Fuse and Kasta glow Svea, Fuse handles more torque. Throw them on hyzer, and they flip to flat and ride nearly dead straight for the remainder of the flight. Uplink for understable shots, though either the Fuse or Svea can also fill that role. Can't leave out my DD Truth also very straight and will do basically any line you set it on as well as a couple Mako3's. I use my Roc3 for more overstable shots.
I do want to pick up a Hex, but I haven't had the pleasure of trying one yet.
Great video! Lots of great information in here.
Another one very well done. I hurl a Star Skeeter at times, flies pretty true, different than the DX version. I do dig my Halo Star Mako3, the Bentley of straight mids ! (Halo Star is nicely torque resistant). And of course I jumped on the Hex hype train, hype pretty well deserved it turns out (neutron).
i have the soft neutron hex from the OTB drop this year and it looks like it flies just like the eclipse plastic hex. suuuper straight
I picked up a couple of those soft neutrons also. I love the feel of the plastic, and I feel like the redirects off trees are a little softer (purely anecdotal, and probably wishful thinking lol). Curious- how far do you throw yours to get that straight flight?
Your videos are incredible and your mystery boxes hit just right.
Thanks!
Great video. Good stuff.
Great video as usual!
Suggestion!
Add distance and speed of each throw. Bonus points for having him always throw at a target then measure final fade or turn off the center line.
If I know there is a 20’ fade on a 60mph shot that travels 350’. Super valuable info.
Gear voice, organization and delivery of information. Keep it up! 👍
Flight numbers don't matter when there is flashing. Could you please try this series after removing the flashing?
My old beat up glow dx rocs and old beat up mcpro roc3 are the streightest for me. I tested a lot midranges and none fly like beat up rocs/roc3s right out of the box.
This surprised me so much as a relatively new (and stubborn) player. I packed a DX ROC for its 3 fade for those shots around obstacles but it flyes suuuper straight now and I keep forgetting that. I had no idea discs would beat in like this.
Weight is also an important factor in the “take this all with a grain of salt” discussion. My 165 neutron Hex is an arrow for me. Threw my buddy’s 175 for a bit… stable city.
If you can get one, the MVP Detour is a very straight flying disc. Maybe a touch on the understable side but for me it's super straight. I would also say Fission is very different depending on weight. Max weight Fission is more stable than lightweight Fission in general. A Fission Hex in the 165g weight range will be pretty straight from my experience. Great video.
I love these and can't wait for whatever is next in the series.
That being said, for me the key to a "straight" mid that it has a putter like 0 fade. I understand that such a disc probably will require a bit of hyzer, but to me the Fuse is the only one that has that.
Most of the so called straight mids in this one were more or less flex shots that faded back to the middle. Claymore seemed to have that truly straight flight, but maybe it was due to a lowere line which I also prefer.
can't go wrong with a Gold Ice fuse... its my secret weapon in the woods. Mako3 is OK, but seems more like a strong arm disc, vs the finesse of my fuse. I agree, the lack of fade is something to behold. Most fun disc I toss is the pearl tho. Its so stupid flippy and glides so far. It either works and looks like magic, or is a total disaster. Fun times in the woods!
I throw Pathfinder for 250-300 straight but when I need to get there just as straight with less effort, the mvp rythym. I bought this disc after I lost my Fission Crave on hole 5 at Maple Hill. I can power up on the rythym and hyzer flip it just as far as my destroyer goes. Impressive disc
Well done Greg. I think the flight numbers for the Skeeter would be 5 5 -2 0 I prefer the Hex over the Mako3 in the hand. I'm LH so lots of forehand action for me on most courses.
Jester Discs makes a midrange called Peace Train, that is humbly raising its hand to be considered for future disc comparisons or reviews.
Saving this video for
When r/discgolf inevitably has yet another thread asking for everyone's opinion on what is the straightest midrange.
The other Finish Line plastic Forged Supra was a roller out of the box for me and my max distance is barely 400’.
Westside Gatekeeper is a very straight mid for me. At 0 turn, 2 fade it is a laser for most of the flight but always finishes left. It's kind of slept on. I find it to be almost exactly like the compass.
I have the gatekeeper also fly very straight for me also.
Doesn't the part where it always finishes left make it not straight.
@@prattacaster every disc finishes left eventually
Great video, how about the L64 Fuse and Kastaplast Svea ❓
Great video. For me I find that if I want a fission disc to fly like the numbers straight out of the box, I need to go 165 gram max. The max weight fission definitely have more stability for sure, but like you mentioned, they do tend to beat in quicker and hold that sweet spot once you've done so. Surprised the eclipse was the straightest for you guys, even over the nuetron. Super interesting.
You guys need to try the glow mana from TSA. It’s my favorite straight mid. Yes it can be understable when I need that too. But on a good hyzer it flips up and goes dead straight.
the straightest disc I have ever tried, was a DX Wombat3. after I lost it, I replaced with a Champion Wombat3 (because I loved it that much) and the champion one turns out to be more understable. last year's DX was truly a 0 0 flight, and only started displaying the -1 0 once it was very very beat in. what's nice about either one though, is they don't take in altitiude like most discs, making them very handy when you need to avoid branches and still make the distance you want.
btw, I remember shopping for the impact, and there are 2 different versions. a 5 x -2 2, and a 6 x -3 2
a bit disappointed you weren't able to get your hands on a Mana for this comparative test.
would have been nice how it compares to the others, thrown by the same guy. 5 6 -2 1
Love the "flight numbers don't matter" series!
got a new idea for you, test different molds within the same brand against eachother.
just bought a Metal flake champion Roc3 and a Star Metal Warrior 2.
Even tho Roc3 has the numbers 5 4 0 3 and the Metal Warrior 5 5 0 2, i feel like the Metal Warrior is more stable than the Roc3.
I still love innova but i really think every brand should do a better job on the flight numbers.
Cool. Love my Mako3 as it is straight for me but I've not tried that many midranges. Mako3, Buzzss, Wombat and Leviathan. My Mako is champion same as the one you tested
Yeah, Mako3 is probably straighter for lower arm speeds, myself included. I'd consider it a really straight mid for me
Agreed. I only throw my Mako 200 to 250 ft when I need it. At those distances it goes super straight.
When I go full tilt on it, I get a fair amount of high speed turn. If I needed to go further, I'd go to a fairway driver and if I needed the understability, I'd go with the MVP Vertex.
2yr player near 60yrs old so my armspeed is not high. The Champion Mako3 flies dead straight but now that I've had it a while its starting to fade a little but its very predictable. 250 or so is my average with more under than over that.
@@entrepreneurlife649 Exactly the same as me. However I just lost my star mako into a lake today and wondering if I should get another Mako3 or try something different.
After my mako hit a few trees it decided to turnover a bit more then necessary. It ended up in a river in a town I was working in that week. Got me a m2 now but need another one or another buzz.
I would have liked to see you guys test the prodigy m2, m3, and m4. They are se really great and straight discs. You can do a lot with them.
Roc3/Method are very similar in baseline plastic and end up being pretty straight once thrown for a few rounds. But if you are looking for straight out of the box in a premium plastic, definitely try a Mako3, MD1 if you run an innova or Discmania bag.
I've got a 2021 Ledgestone Cryztal Metal Flake Meteor that seems beefy for a Meteor and flies dead straight or will hold right for about 2/3 of the flight depending on how I throw it.
Also I would say the DX Skeeter is a 5?/5?/-3/0
So glad you included the Buzzz SS. I have a few of the Ledgestone Cryztal runs and they super straight.
I lost my favorite Tim Barham Buzzz SS that was absolutely stupid straight.
Comet! The best disc ever. It's just a long throwing putter. Love it
Being a former handler (Ultimate), the Mako3 (champion plastic) is what I use when I want to throw 350ft in a straight line.
honestly Caleb OATed that Star Mako 3 bringing a minimum of 70 degrees hyzer into the powerpocket then flattening it to below 15 before release, OF COURSE its going to flip. He looked less "wild" with the champion mako 3 though. I personally bag an opto fuse for that slot which would no doubt turn over for Caleb but goes 280´ dead flat for me on 60-70% power, the key is a rear-dominant grip for finicky precision discs like those which means the ringfinger and pinky are the ones gripping the rim and forming the pivotpoint with middlefinger+thumb providing angle control and indexfinger sitting on the outside of the rim or just below it.
Did you get a max weight fission hex? In my experience the fission plastic is affected by weight more than other plastics. It is beefier than all other plastics at max weight and flipper than all other plastics in a light weight.
Interesting, I appreciate the scientific approach here. Going to take my new buzz and eclipse hex out for a spin to test it myself
I like this series :)
The Cosmic Piwakawaka is defenetly straighter then the atomic / glow. I love this disc for straight shots up to 330 feet, but i only bag it in Cosmic plastic and at max weight (180g). The 172g atomic / glow is verry understable in comparison. A video about weight would be nice too.
edit: if you throw the Piwakawaka harder then you you need for the 330feet it will suddenly burn over verry hard for some reason
I actually have the cosmic piwakawaka on order @ 179, should be Monday. I'll come back and give a review...
Agree, was just about to suggest the Piwakawaka - great disc for straight midrange & tunnel shots, glides well, and capable of pretty decent length if you don't overcook it.
Skeeter looks to be a -3 0. I've been a Buzzz fan for a long while as not a big fan of beads so avoided Rocs. I did throw in a few Roc3's in a F2 order recently tho and also have both a Hex and an ESP Buzzz SS to try out. I have a Z one somewhere and never liked the feel of it unfortunately. Hoping to get out and test new discs soon
MVP modulates fission weight by changing the mass in the overmold, the flight plates are all the same for any run. This means that a max weight fission disc is going to be beefy because it has more angular momentum and a min weight will be flippy for the same reason
The discontinued MVP Tangent is still my straightest mid range. Just got a Watt now this one is STRAIGHT. Love it!
Awesome video btw :)
To my surprise, my straight workhorse mid is a ProFlex MMUS (needs to be purple lol).
Bought it replace my M4’s, but wow. It replaced the Overstable workhorse slot 😅
(Don’t waste time on the MMS’s though… super flippy 😢 flight numbers suck haha)
was that a max weight fission hex? max weight fission can be more OS.
Mine was dynamic disc warrant but they stop making it so I found thought space mana fills in for my straight mid
I’ve had a very different experience with all the fission discs I’ve thrown. But I think that could be related to an issue I think this video has, release angle.
Players are getting straight flights by hyzer-flipping a less stable disc or flat releasing an actual straight flyer. Having just one person hyzer-flipping the discs isn’t great for players who throw flat or even with a touch of anny.
Mids fill a purple in my bag too 😂
The Comet and the eclipse Hex's flight paths showed significantly less lateral movement than any of the other discs. Why was the Buzz SS chosen over the Comet when we could see very clearly that it flew a much wider path than the Comet?
i was hoping to see that k1 hard stig in action. great disc! dont have a fav straight mid range but the glow musitang is what i bag. if thrown hard it does straighten out but probably isnt straight, the LSS is pretty strong
I was hoping to test a stock Stig but we sold out of ours recently so we'll have to test that in the future! Though, we did do a video about the Stig when it was first released, it was pretty understable so I didn't immediately think of it for a straight mid test.
that k1 hard is pretty straight unless you really blast it. it moves right much less than reg k1 for me, i have a first run & the k1 hard gold color. really dig it@@SixSidedDiscs
When I first started playing, the Mako3 was dead straight. But, I couldn't throw over 300 feet. Now I borrow my buddy's Halo Mako3 from time to time and it is great for hyzerflips, but it is not "straight".
I'm a mile above sea level, so everything is a bit more overstable for me, but I find that my Lizottle glow Hex is significantly more overstable than my MD1/Mindbenders, so I was a bit surprised to see that Axiom glow Hex fly so straight. I'd love a Hex that flew like that. All my glow discs are meathooks.
I have an Eclipse Wave, and I'd say it's closer to 0/2 than -2/2.
Been using it for a year and it's still reliable overstable.
I did love throwing a Mako3, but my straightest mid-range has to be my Tursas. I keep forgetting it has a -2 turn because I never see that in its flight.
Beat in DX ROC is very straight for me. I also throw the DX Dart for those straight shots. It’s officially a putter, but it’s really fast and goes pretty far and kinda boarders on being a mid.
Mako3 is my favorite mid but a good throw can put a discraft comet in the mix too
Got a glow piwakawaka in a mystery box that ive been using for forehand shot replacements and the second i heard it mentioned i laughed so hard
What's up with the towel on the tee box?
Lovely review. I enjoy watching those plastic birds fly… 😊
I'd love to see a video on which of these straightest mid ranges can handle the most OAT from a forehand, IE fly the least stable for a forehand and be the most usable! Or maybe non of them and this would be a dumb video hah. Most understable mid I forehand right now is a c line MD3.
My true "flight numbers dont matter" moment was when i realized that a zone and a luna are only seperated by 1 speed, every other number is identical, but i could throw my zone on a roller angle and it would fight back to the left. Meanwhile a luna thrown flat will drift right before it comes back
I carry a Mako3 (slightly understable) and Jay (slightly overstable). But I agree, the Mako3 gets too understable with power.
Fuse for life!
My md3 is my straightest flying mid next to my MVP Reactor. If you’re continuing the series, the glow reactor is pretty wildly straight with good arm speed
This is what I was coming here to say! I still havent thrown a Hex but I love my glow Reactor. Forehand or backhand, you can put alot of power on it and it laser beams straight with little fade, if any. If the Hex did so well they should try the Reactor
@@bsage5609 the hex is also awesome. The md1 is also a laser beam if you can take a little heat off of it and just let it flip up to flat, the fade is awesome it’s almost like a glitch, just floats to a straight stop. Been loving the discmania mids, but I still bag a hex for slight turnover shots and a reactor for windy days.
Innova skeeter is the new innova Rollo maybe?.?.?
The 20 year Buzzz, Truth & glow hex are my straightest mid I throw. I threw a Champ Mako for a while but it would turn easier then the newer straight mids.
For my armspeed, in my most conditions, the Westside warship has been my most reliable straight stable
The simple fact that after learning what flight nimbers are supposed to mean made me 100x better means they do matter. I coukdve thrown a million times and tamer my discs. But by knowing what those numbers are supposed to mean really helped tbh. In my experience they mean a lot kore than you give credit for. Just not across different brands. Every brand is different in that aspect.
Gotta go with my Apollo from Alfa discs in their Crystal plastic.
Apollo is my favorite straightest disc, but the Hex Eclipse is tempting me😂
I recently picked up the DiscMania Evolution Origin. That’s one of the straightest discs I own. My brother keeps telling me to get the Mako 3 though!
Mako 3 even in star should fly a touch more overstable than Origin FWIW
Thanks for the input @@calvindelamere3489
I have a GStar Skeeter, and it's incredibly straight for me. Rather throw it than a Mako3. But I'm a noodle arm.
I also agree that Mako3 is one of the straighest discs on the market. Unfortunately I own like 6 of them and they're pretty all over the place. They're all "pretty straight" but as always with Innova there's a huge variation between runs and plastics.
One of the three star Mako3s I have is super straight, so I got to that, but will switch to a flippier one in a tailwind or champion into a headwind to get super straight flights out to about 375ft with my armspeed.
“Mids fill a purple” 2:57. Yes. Purple flies further too.
I must have missed the part were you reviewed the EMAC TRUTh 5 5. 0 0 straight midrange the TRUTH will set you free lol !!!!
Would've loved to see the Wild Discs Addax Reborn in the mix
The clash berry shocked me! My berry is so flippy
Anyone else getting anxiety from the lawnmower in the field?
The mako3 is super straight when you have no arm speed. And it's great for newbies and slow arms, 100%. That's why so many people were yearning for it. And I am no crusher. But it's flippy. There's no doubt, it's a flippy frisbee
You can definitely tell that the star mako was released earlier then the rest, hopefully you did multiple throws
My straightest flyer so far is my streamline echo except thrown forehand it fades a lot.
If you throw the MD1 Mindbender on hyzer its going to go left. You have to throw it flatish
sticking with my Z meteor. it's straight as an arrow, 200' or less.
had a great straight Z Buzzz that a lake swallowed. replaced it with another Z Buzzz which has turned out to be incredibly OS. alas.
I'm a little salty about the flight that came from the m4 in the last video, look at how Cale throws it. Very similar to buzzz ss flight. Maybe try 400g?
If you do a most overstable mid vid you've got to try a Legacy Discs Badger. Specifically the Patrick Brown Aztec Serpent. It's what I imagine a Tilt would be as a mid-range 😂