What is the straightest midrange? We throw 28 mids to find out! | Flight Numbers Don’t Matter
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I have a Hex in that slot. Its an absolute lazer beam.
Hex is straighter than any Buzzz I've thrown.
Same I went from a buzzz to Hex and haven’t looked back
@@Shanesac same ! from buzz to mindbender to now the hex. mindbender is a bit understable for me, hex can take a lot more torque its insane that disc is so good.
Same! My Lizottle booted my buzzz. It just feels better
@@---Fred--- Totally agree. I think being that torque resistant makes it really good for a forehand, which is pretty hard to find in a straight mid.
Throwing a “straight” disc on anny makes it go right… not sure what y’all expected. The releases were all over the place
dude grip locks the same disc twice in a row, it flies far to the right both times.. "iT's UnDeRsTaBLe"
to be fair, the throwing in this video is significantly less consistent than they usually do.
I think you need to put those guys to work more and have them throw each disc at last 4-5 times. Make sure each one is flat and straight (or whatever angle is being tested).
Yes, I saw several “flat” releases with bit of hyzer.
These throws are all over the place. I stopped watching half way through, right after the both threw the same disc into the ground. Great production, but the content just isn't there in this video.
@@TheGiraffehead Agree. Good production. For some reason sooo many review videos always have a few discs they throw poorly then just say "well, it was a bad throw"... Why not just throw it again?!?
I have an Axiom Alias that goes where you throw it. Very hard to throw straight for not a perfect throw. Slightest hyzer or nose up it stays on hyzer, slightest anhyzer or nose down it stays on anhyzer. This test needs to show this kind of thing if you want to find a straight true straight disc.
Agree, guys are constantly throwing bit too high. Also too many early releases. Just throw another shot with a disc if u fail the shot. Good content though.
Straightest mid range test without a Axiom Hex? How is that possible!?!
I throw a Lizotl and even for my novice arm speed, if I throw is flat and straight, it'll hold with a tiny fade at the end.
Of all the discs you couldn't test...the Mako3 is by far the straightest mid I've ever thrown. I actually just picked up another because may ladt was a little too beat in. I got it in Star plastic and it doesn't deviate from a straight line at all. As long as I can keep the nose down 😂 I look forward to part 2. Ive got a feeling it'll be a winner.
Yea I knew going in we were missing the Mako3 and Hex which are 2 of the most popular but, I think its fair to say we were thorough with what we had lol
@@SixSidedDiscs oh absolutely! I don't want you to think I bitching 😂 I was just shocked it wasn't in the lineup. I appreciate your channel and all you do for us.
@@SixSidedDiscs no hex and mako??? These 2 disc have to be the most popular straight flying disc. I've never had either. hyzerflip 182g esp meteor for me or 175g neutron Relay
@@SixSidedDiscs to be fair "28 straight mids tested" sounds like you tested at least the most popular. I wanted to know how the ones you tested compare to the several I have and those ommisons are a bit disappointing. I don't think I'm surprising you with this comment.
But I love the idea of this video.
Mako 3 requires a tail wind and hiezer release to go straight more than 250 ft, but is awesome for anheizer shots.
Amazing video! Thanks for putting this together. But to not have a MAKO3 and HEX in the mix is a TRAGEDY!
One of the BEST things you do in this series is use players of different ratings, power, and skill levels so we get the full spectrum of the discs' flights! It is SO GOOD.
Thanks! It definitely helps to see different perspectives and of course, none of us are perfect so sometimes the throw is nose up or griplocked but at least its authentic. Appreciate the kind words :D
Bad throws don't prove anything.
I'll have to agree with Michael on this one. I'd rather have them re-do the throw than maintain authenticity. Showing a misthrow doesn't tell us much about their natural flight. I'll also add that I prefer when review/testing series maintain consistency (i.e. using the same player) so the videos can be used as references to each other. That's just my two cents.
I have to somewhat disagree. If you bring in players with lower ratings, power, and skill, then all you're going to do is decrease the consistency. A better alternative is to have Caleb throw each multiple times but at 90%, then 70%, then 50%. This can give you a more accurate measure of how the disc will fly for multiple arm speeds, while not loosing consistency to the unpredictability of lower rated players
Brand new discs often fly overstable. If you think about it, the majority of throws you make with a disc will not be with it "brand new" and it doesn't take much to season out that initial super overstability. Obviously the disc isnt going to become a brand new disc over the course of a couple rounds, but ... Well, let me share an illustrative anecdote. I recently purchased an axiom hex in premium plastic. It was noticably overstable for, say, the first two rounds I played with it, but by the third round, that "new overstability" was pretty clearly coming off and it was becoming much more straight. I just think judging a disc by how it flies brand spanking new isn't the best, because, like I said, a disc won't be brand new most of the times you throw it.
Not complaining. I really enjoy your videos. Just something to think about.
Agree, it's hard to gauge off fresh plastic.
I bag both the Neutron Hex and Lizottl Hex...they are straight as two really straight things!
Dude come on man, Lizottl is fairly overstable new, everyone knows it. MindBender tho new super straight , I bag both
@@prattacaster how far are you throwing them? Lizzotle is not “overstable” it just has slighttttlllly more finish than a neutron hex. A mind bender jammed smooth and flat absolutely has a fair amount of turn
@@Riverhouserecordings 300ft, I guess they are straight with a finish, my definition of straight is basically zero turn or fade all the way to the ground, which the MindBender will do at 300ft really well. MindBender is more touchy than a Hex for sure
What the heck is the point of keeping bad throws in the disc comparison? Delete that throw and do it again.
Right!!! so far all of these videos have so many issues with the "testing" that it's so hard to take seriously.
The Gateway Element is pretty slick in this department
Favorite disc! People always comment on how straight it flies when I throw it. It's butter.
Whoa! Premiering! Love these disc analysis/comparisons you do.
Innova Mako3 is absolutely the straightest disc I’ve thrown. Champion plastic. As straight as that opto claymore and mind bender. Mako3 is one of my favorites! 300’ lasers.
Absolutely love this long-form video type. Now I want to see one with all the 7/5/0/2 type discs. And then the Destroyer/Wraith clones
We actually started this series with a similar-ish video about Destroyers, though we came at it from a slightly different angle! Worth a watch!
Can't believe a hex wasn't tested.
Very good video. I was surprised not to see the Axiom Hex in the test though, for me it seems to be the most forgiving mid to not throwing dead flat, it deals to crappy form very well.
Mako 3 is the straightest mid I've ever thrown, and it also stays on a hyzer path or an anhyzer path easily, but that means it is more sensitive to poor form.
I would agree with the Warship. I would also submit the MVP Tangent. The Tangent is what I keep for my straight tunnel shots.
Agree. Love the Tangent. Feels like a longer putter to me.
I really liked this video. Thank you so much for making it!!!!!
i enjoy seeing the flight characteristic's videos. Ive noticed those numbers always seem alittle wonky. thanks for the great content!
Thrown quite a few and none can match the Fuse or the Comet.
I feel like knowing the throwers average distance on those mids would've been more usefull than their rating.
Flight numbers are more accurate than your test results.
I'm a little disappointed to not see a Star Mako3 thrown. It goes dead straight and that's literally the only reason it's ever been purchased.
This video is awesome need more w more spots and plastics
i recently switched my md to claymore. Claymore better feel and pretty much same flight. Nice to see that every one else is seeing it as straight mid.
Hard to believe you couldn’t find a Mako3. Super straight disc.
Halo Mako3 is a lazer beam for me. When my GF walks along with me, she is always amazed that it doesn't go left or right like my other ones.
Thanks so much for this video. I'm going to pick up an opto claymore. currently, my black star mako3 is the straitest, flattest flying disc I've ever thrown. A caveat here is that I can only throw around 220 feet, so your results may vary.
I agree that flight numbers aren't the end all. I throw my discs regularly to see how they actually fly for me with my lower skill level and arm speed, then during a round, choose the disc that will get me the shape I need based on that. I have a DX Roc3 and a Quake with the same flight numbers and they don't fly anywhere close to the same for me. I also have an old beat in DX TeeBird and a new Champion TeeBird and they fly completely different as well. Thanks again.
Mako 3 in XT pro plastic is a stable in my bag for straight shots. It’s also fantastic for beginners to learn control.
Thank you for the video.
Also the Emac Truth, fuse, and the tursas are reliable discs, holding true to their numbers.
The buzz never felt comfortable in my hand (I tried!) where the mako 3 instantly went in my bag! Favorite Mako 3 plastic, as I stated, is the XT Pro. Give this a try as the grip is incredible and holds flight after hitting trees.
a very good video, I use the Fuse and Warship for my straight shots, fuse for if I want a little more turn or a hyzer flip and the warship if I want a little more fade. the trust is my OS mid like you said.
i love the warship, reliably straight in VIP plastic, and hyzer flippable in the baseline, great hand feel for me
Missed an opportunity to try the DGA Rift. I highly recommend checking it out. Include it in the part 2 video along with the Mako 3, Hex, Matrix, Mustang, Aftershock, Jay, and Lion. And there are a ton more but those were off the top of my head. Rift though, check it out for real.
Don't worry they had to different versions of the Divergent(?) disc...
@@brandonmcfarlane7121 right
Compass and Warship are my midranges in the bag (+ anchor). My top distance with drivers are currently about 100m (330ft).
Have to say that I'm bit suprised that Compass was overstable for u. Every Compass (even new ones in Opto plastic) I have thrown goes a bit right and there is always that small fade. So I usually throw them in slight hyzer so I can minimize that right movement. But it is important to get subtle move to right so u don't have that much fade but even with straight throw there isn't that much fade. Opto plastic is a bit more stable that Gold plastic. I would recommend Compass in Gold, because of better grip and it is almost as durable than Opto. I bag them both for different throws.
Warship I use for anny shots. VIP plastic is for flat to subtle anny almost the whole shot. Or just releases it anny and it will hold nicely whole throw. I have also Warship in BT plastic that is for huge hyzer flips.
If this video is for more experienced players, most likely they will find their straight midrange from the overstable slot. For the beginners I recommend Wombat3, Svea or Fuse. I started throwing with a Wombat3. U really cant start with a wrong disc if u choose Wombat3. DX plastic would be my choice.
For par 2 check out a mint lobster. For me it is dead straight but I do have a slight hyzer release so you guys might find it understable. Would be good to see it in the competition either way!
Great. All I wanted to see is how Mako3 flew for reference as I use it. But maybe next time.
Good video still 🙏
I watched the whole video wondering if you’d feature my favourite straight mid. Didn’t expect you to feature it twice! ❤🗡️
I've recently been tossing a wombat3 and find it going straight as an arrow. My other mid is a shark and stays pretty true to its goal flight path with straight flight and what you'd expect from a 2 fade
I bag a midnight prowl 2 and a s-line md1 for straight to slightly understable midranges. Slick Willy’s in Ashley OH had about 10 mind benders in stock when I was in there 2 weeks ago
Love the vid! Little bit of bias for the buzzz saying you could beat it in but before saying "only brand new" for the roc 🤷♂️
I have a 180g. mind bender and its a tiny bit too understable to have a spot in my bag. I have special blend s-line md1 179 gram that is much straighter and perfectly stable with the right power and angle.
I cant really understand the outcome of the latitude64 trust flight, I bag one and its not that overstable.
I throw my mids straight, not high, not low and usually on wooded courses, I want a midrange that goes straight the entire flight. I just cant get used to a disc that has a turn that cancels the fade (and therefore "straight" flying).
I love the buzz out in the open. But in tight and moderatly low ceiling fairway, I love to put some power on the trust and just keep it low and dead straight.
Tbh, the straightest flying disc I have is a star invader, I think everyone should bag one, its abslutely gold. You can throw it with a stupid amount of power and it wont turn unless you are runding.
I like the emac truth. It’s starts a little overstable but beats in to be super straight
My experiences:
KC Pro Roc: started OS and beat to be very straight with slight fade at the end. Lost it in a creek.
Champ Roc3: OS meathook. Still trying to beat it in but the champion plastic doesn't beat in quickly.
Star Mako3: Perfect straight disc. It is currently beat in a bit and just goes up and down, no turn. It'll hold whatever angle you put on it. Just a great utility disc.
MVP Vertex: Not broken in and is quite US.
So I use Champ Roc for OS lines, Mako3 for point and shoot, and Vertex for US lines.
I also bag all three stabilities in fairway and distance driver speeds. 10 discs is plenty to remember as a casual player.
Great video. I need something a bit less stable than my zone, more stable than my origin. This is helpful
Pathfinder! That’s the exact slot that I have mine in. Dead straight up to about 80% power and then higher than that a slight flip and ride with a decent finish to it
Great video brother... And nice shirt by the way 😉
I was glad to see the warship on here I bag one and it Flys just like the one on this video also my other one thar I throw is the westside gatekeeper
I have a Z Buzzz that took the spot of my Roc3 in my bag for overstable mid and an Opto Fuse is my straight flying mid.
mine is a 2007 first run star cro. it used to be over, now it s perfect
Why havent I seen your chanel before? This is a great video
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You forgot about the Mako 3. I have two in XT plastic and fly dead strait for me.
Shame you didnt test the Axiom Hex. It's my go to straight mid, actually one of my all time favorite discs to throw overall.
Z Buzzz SS is absolutely perfect for me. The plastic maintains over long periods of time and it just flies so straight every time.
LAT 64 Core... laser straight and favorite disc...The stopped making it and recently re-popped it.. and my HEX
i bag a retro compass, rubber blend buzzz, esp flex buzz & sol
As someone who doesn't have a great arm, my Manta tends to fly extremely straight when I get the release right. I've recently been working on replacing it (because it's taken a beating in it MX plastic). So far, the Discmania Meteor in ESP plastic seems to be fairly similar just a bit more stable. As it breaks in I could see it marching my old Manta pretty darn well.
I am not swedish, but I have heard the Svea pronounced “Svay-ah”
Göte pronunciation was on-point! Ö's are tricky so great job!
Huzzah!
Yes, that Göte that wasn't close to goat was good. Just to clarify since it was said in two ways. 'E' in Svea is like 'e' word text, but long and 'a' like 'u' in word luck at the end.
clash discs berry is my favourite disc for this type of disc along the mindbender
The MD1 is. Great disc!!! Best strait flyer
I have quite a few mids.. I'd say I like Buzzz SS first and Lizzotle second. I do bag an MD1 and MD3 for funzies. I do have a Opto Claymore in my closet that was my first mid. maybe I should take it out and give it some love
Hi. I have been throwing golf discs for 40 years- I use mostly Innova , also have a few Discraft. But the straighest disc I have ever thrown and is always straight for me 5 years later , is the Lat 64 Maul.
I have both the Mako 3 and Wombat. I find the Mako straighter. In fact, for my slow arm speed it's pretty much a dead straight throw but will follow a left or right line if you want it to. I should point out I throw 250ft avg.
My well used g-star roc3 is dead straight with a little fade..used it as an overstable mid before..but now reallt straight
I love my Rocs, but I'm going to have to pick up that Lat64 Claymore. I love my opto River.
I use a beat In D Line buzz from 225 feet down to 25. Straight as an arrow but will shape any way you want it.
I bag a DC big z buzzz, L64 opto claymore, L64 opto fuse, and a west side VIP harp. The claymore is my straight midrange disc of choice. It either flips up to flat and has a tiny finish at the end, or I turn it over and it fades back to straight. If you throw it on a big anhyzer it will also hold that the whole flight. The fuse is reliably under stable, and the big z buzzz is reliably over stable. The harp is just a shorter version of how my buzzz flies with slightly more fade.
I've watched all of your videos about flight numbers and certain discs actually perform. Something you've not touched upon is arm speed / rotaional speed of the disc and weight of the disc, which are the factors that actually impact the discs flight the most. Example. If player X has a 65mph arm speed and is throwing disc X at 175g and something is lets say flips to flat or barely understable, If player Y picks up the exact same disc but has an arm speed of 50-55mph the disc will be extremely overstable.
I ended up filling this slot with a putter! The Innova Dart goes pretty far and if I manage to release it flat it will fly super straight.
For me it's a meteor hyzerflip or glow envy flat. 4 hand is a PYRO it does turn but finshes back in middle. Toro goes straight on slight Annie low
Great video, would like to see more like this. However, how can you not include the Hex in this test set? Should have tested a Hex instead of a Reactor in my opinion.
You and everyone else feel the same way, good news though is we're about to record Straightest Midrange Part 2 featuring Hex, Mako3 and many more!
Great video
I bag an orbit claymore for my straight mid, the trust for overstable-ish mid, and then I have the opto claymore as a really understable mid. Don't know what happened at the factory for that thing but is 100% the most understable disc in my bag 😂
The Claymore looks and feels a LOT like the Origin, so I wouldn't be surprised if the variation in just that mold or range of plastics has some that are straight and some that are super flippy. My Origin is really flippy, its the Midnight Prowl 1 we threw, which is great for my bum elbow at the moment!
Cosmic Piwakawaka from RPM discs: The Flightnumbers are 6/6/-3/0 but... they are not true on the cosmic plastic. Give it a slight hizer (which i do naturaly) and it goes straight for 350 with 0 fade. The atomic version is more true to the numbers and i would not recomant it if you dont want to train touch. Dont touch the strata version, its a roler disc. Hex is great too but beats in way to quick.
I have an early Piwakawaka (not sure which plastic - not translucent) and it flies similarly. Def not -3 turn on regular midrange shots (though it can be turned over hard if overpowered). Typically if thrown flat & flat, it goes dead straight, with a slight late fade.
Probably should rethrow if the disc goes in the sky like the md3 did. It will act more overstable because of that. Also most of these shots are hyzerflips whereas i would measure straightness by throwing it flat and seeing if it turns or fades on me.
I totally agree. Even the average decent shot here was probably slightly too high for maximum straightness that you'd want in say, a tunnel shot.
For me, out of the box, it's the Fuse. Although I do have a couple of beat in Emac Truths that are dead straight now.
The wombat3 is in my understable slot. Even on a hyzer, it flips up and finishes straight or finishes with a slight turn. If there's any headwind, it just turns over. The Jay is my straight flyer.
Fisson hex for me
Regarding the compass, semi-opaque white Opto plastic is usually more stable than more translucent opto
Please make videos like this for other types of discs too!
Mako 3 straightest disc I have ever thrown. Buzzz is a great option too!
It's funny how different my compass flies compared to the ones in the vid :)
My favorite is Viking Discs-Axe and Alfa Discs-Apollo in glow.
I replaced the buzz in my bag with the kastaplast kaxe. It's smaller in a good way, and my buzz is hard, i should try an esp buzz.
M4 is the straightest disc I have ever thrown. Just release on a slight hiezer and it will not go left or right. Local course here requires a disc fly 289 ft within a 10-15 ft corridor of trees and the M4 has yet to let me down… even in a head wind (put a little more hiezer on it). Angle of release is vital to getting a straight shot.
"flight numbers dont matter" is right behind "throw multiple copies of the same disc that behave differently" as my fav disc golf advice
Great video. Westside gets slept on though 💤
I would love to see you put the mako3 and the Buzzz SS head to head! Also I think the buzzz GT would be fun to see in part 2!
I have both. I think the Mako3 is straighter but not much. I'd interchange them if I wasn't used to the Mako3 and carry that.
I would love to see one of these for overstable mids. Not meathooks like a justice or mutant, but just os enough to be fully trustworthy. Verdict, Bard, Pine, Reactor, Pyro, Wasp, Nebula, Roc3, MD4, Solstice, M2, whatever. Looking for the mid that won't turn but still has the least fade.
You're looking for straight mids and you're testing stuff with a 2 and 3 fade,and leave out the Hex? Confusing to me!
And annoying to me. I spent 28 min on this video and it could have been so much more informative.
@@chiebert290 Agreed
I started throwing a Compass for an overstable midrange and once it beat in a bit it’s now the straightest disc in my bag and it seems like it can’t beat in any more than straight
Opto plastic for L64 is always gonna be OS. Try that Gold plastic or anything that’s a bit more flexible, they totally change the flight characteristics of a disc
My brother is a diehard buzz fan I throw a mako3 or m4 they are my most consistent straight throwing discs my mako3 has started to be slightly under stable as it’s been beat in
You said GÖTE correct at second try. These are names, and you read out all the letters. GötE, and SveA. Not Got or Sve. I have the Mako3, and it is the straightest disk i own. I love it! Recently stumbled upon you channel and i find it very informative and helpful. Thank you, keep throwing! :)
You have to try the Wingman - Havran - COR plastic
The only surprise was Göte. Mine have been a lot straighter than that. Who ever claims Z or ESP Buzzz to be straight throws it over 400 ft. The other reason is that many considers disc to be straight if they fly straight before fade.
I used to throw Buzzz, but almost only ESP FLX Buzzz. When they stopped making those, I stopped throwing Buzzz and started to throw Claymore.
Svea is very straight until 270 ft when thrown hyzerflip, but not when thrown flat and lack of fade causes throllers very easily if angle control is not very good.
Mako3 has been mentioned before, or old Mako's are difficult to differentiate from MD1/Mind Benders. MD1 is almost a copy of Mako3. Very small differences when you look at them closely.
Buzzz SS was missing from the list. At least old ones were straight, but I'd categorize it very very little more stable than MD1 and Mako3.
If you make a second part, Kastaplast's new Stig might be a good addition to the test. It does have a turn though, but also has a fade, but might have to be thrown on a slight hyzer to get a straight flight. More stable than Svea but less stable than Göte.
Otherwise I can't think of any molds that were missing.
And based on what I have seen, C-line MD1 seems to fly the same as Mind Bender. Plastic is not as gummy as Mind Bender though.
Hex is more stable than MD1 or Mako3. Less stable than Buzzz, but Hex might be on the borderline of being straight. Haven't thrown glow Hex though.
No Innova Mako3....please add the Innova Jay to the list as well, very straight for me!
I mean sort of of but not really… if I have a comet versus a verdict…. And the numbers are very much going to matter….
My buzz is perfect.. I think that if you are looking for stable midrange slot. Then no doesn’t matter which disc you use. They are all pretty similar. It the buzzz crushes
This type of experiment is really difficult, but I still have to comment. Throwing open shots matters, but I use a mud to hit a target. I would prefer to see whether your throwers could get the disc to hit a line/target in mids. I think about Drew throwing a Buzz on a 300 foot rope.
i have a ESP buzz and its a bit overstable for me, pretty sure i'm releasing it Hyzer. Should i try to get a more understable disc? Im quite new
If you don't want to have to change your release angle and hyzer is comfortable for you, a more understable disc would flip to flat and maybe turn slightly for you on that angle.
You could also change your angle to flat and that buzzz might straighten out a bit more.
Most discs also become more understable over time as you throw them so take that Buzzz to the most heavily wooded course in your area and throw it on every hole and before you know it, it will start to fly straighter and straighter!
Comet is probably the straightest for me. Once beat in they’re the perfect beginner mid IMO
The straightest Midrange ever made is out of production the 4--5 speed Spider, it was one of the straightest midrange on the market ever due to being basically a putter design with a slightly wider rim. The XD although a Putter almost gets the slow midrange speed to that of a Shark and was once the straigest discs on the market, lots of players had one for ether that long putter short midrange area or as their driving putter if they did not use a DX/later a Champion Spider or a slightly worked in DX/Pro Gator for the driving putter slot. I have the Lighting Clone for this same flight same exact one since 2005 in Prostyle plastic, the #2 Upshot or U2 disc that was 166 grams when new but is probably closer to 162 grams now. The Lighting #2 Upshot in Prostyle plastic was one of the most durable discs in use, I even got what was suposed to be a 165 gram Lighting #2 Upshot but got a 175 instead as my backup that still flies dead straight. Then a slightly faster disc the Glide is currently one of the straightest discs on the market, often used for tunnel shots or need to stay straight type shots. I use the very similar OOP (Discraft)Impact right after the mold went oop I got a bunch at the weights that work best for the mold, 170--173 grams and 174--175 grams for the discs for very cheap as people hated the hatch mark groves picked up dirt.