What is the Most Understable Midrange?
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We're testing and comparing 19 different midranges to see which one is the most understable, and how they stack up against each other!
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Six Sided Discs should do a Six Speed Disc Comparison. It's one of those odd speeds for most manufacturers. Whatever you decide to do, just keep this content coming.
Would love to have seen the Piwakawaka get some love here.
I love the Uplink!
RPM Piwakawaka.
Absolutely love this disc for the “get out of jail” shots and even glidey putts. Mine has been in the bag for almost 4 years, and it’s super flippy but manageable still.
List of Flippiest Mids I know of in order of flippy: Pearl, Shu, Lone Wolf, Paradox. Rounding off the top-5 is the guy who only throws 1 Buzzz and it's hit 1000s of trees over the years.
Innova's Wolf is pretty silly in how understable it is as well. I have a Shark that someone's dog chewed on and it will still normally fly like a beat in shark but if there is a wind going right, it goes right and never returns. Same w/an old DX Eagle I have. I haven't played in awhile but have picked up a lot of new thinsg to compare so I'm going to be doing a lto of shoot outs as I get back into the swing. Looking forward to it.
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Gateway Mystic is far and away my favorite slightly understable mid
Only disc I wish was on this video too was the TSA Mana!
Awesome disc!
I love this type of content, which is super informative and useful when looking for the right disc. Flight numbers need to get better
Though different runs fly differently from each other. Also factor weight. I've only ever seen one disc used for each plastic type in these videos.
I bag the Innova Panther in Champion plastic. It's just flippy enough and stable enough to shape shots, with good glide. Test Glide numbers!!!
Ha! I love westside numbers. Im still throwing a 0 3 stag.
Ive always loved tursas. Been throwing it a lot lately. I have a warship and bard ace. Now I need tursas ace.
Sooo touchy even for a little guy like me. I can get some super nice straight lines, but any power and its flipping.
Thanks for taking the time to do these videos. They are really interesting and helpful.
Man discraft sol and commet have a real place in this conversation
The flippiest mid in my bag is a prodigy M4. Thrown flat it gets lots of mid flight turn, but can swing back at the very end. If I need it to hold an anhyzer angle it can do that too. It’s just about the perfect mid for me. As long as it’s not a windy day, it’s the mid I’m reaching for every time.
Here is my take on flippy midrange, you only need one in tight wooded courses. Here in Colorado it is one big ol hyser fest. If you need something to go right, just chop a firebird or a zone at it. Understable midranges are for extremely skilled players with touch or no forehand to speak of. I love my meteor, but i only bag it in the woods. But i love using the meteor and the dune for teaching new players.
For my old man, noodle arm (MA50), 5-speeds are my go-to. My primary discs are the LSD Bearkat and Lone Wolf. I get the Lone Wolf 250-280 on a hyzer flip. Bearkat is a straight flyer.
Dang!, I literally checked your channel yesterday hoping you had this very video cause I’m looking for a new flippy mid, and today there it is! Awesome. Love the way you break these down like this.
A Discraft sponsored player now rep since the late 90s told me the Stratus would never mold up right in Z or ESP plastic and is why they were discontinued. In the old baseline or X plastic they fly like the numbers and were used as roller disc by a lot of players back then.
I don’t have a FH beyond 150f so I’m bagging Detour, Remix Creature and Paradox.
Detour pushes long with a nice late turn and slight fade at the end. Use to go long slightly right.
Creature turns right but fights out of it. Use for flex lines and turns where I need to control landing spot.
Paradox in proton soft turns a lot but controllable. Use for turn and then glide faaaaar after the turn. High line on dogleg right is amazing.
Recently Latitude 64 did an ace run contest using the special Jonathan Fastborg fried egg “I’m a fuse!” Fuse. I got a couple of these and boy were they flippy. I figure they were a production oops and a clever way to clear them out was utilized. I think they were in gold plastic. One of them is now the flippy mid in my bag. Not really a fuse if push comes to shove, but it does the job.
Love the Yikun Kang man. That disc is so decent and fun to play with. The Gui though I think is probably Yikun's best disc overall having tried like 6-7 molds. As a putter it flies like a Wizard, but as a thrower/approach man its just money.
Just picked some of these up, What a cool way to engage with your community. The late turn on the stratus is something ive been looking for!
For understable midrange right now I have mostly been throwing a TSA Mana and Remix Creature which are fairly similar, also have a Detour on the way.
I might need to look into the Detour. That pushing turn to the right was very pretty. Nice toss Caleb.
That Discraft Stratus surprised me with its flight! Discs with late, low speed instability are so rare for under stable discs. It reminded me a lot of an MVP Relay once you get it moderately seasons. They travel straight for 60% of their flight, then the turn kicks in to finish to the ground. It is easy to bag that slot with an under stable enough disc that you can throw hyzer flip to turn, so they aren't vital, but they are still really cool and potentially really useful for players who prefer to throw discs flat. In my US mid slot, I personally prefer to play with the angles of the Mint Lobster.
I bag two of the discs tested. I use the Rollo for that purpose rollers. I also bag the Paradox for holes that I need a disc to go right . RHBH this has always been a struggle until the Paradox. There are not many who throw RHFH in MA60+ from the tee.
I bought some extra discs from amazon for a little family get together (cheapest I could find, not knowing what i was getting). I was really surprised with how under stable the Divergent set was. I actually really enjoying throwing a couple of the discs in that pack. Lawin driver UV Max Grip was is great; Leviathan Incognito is also super good for me as a fairway and approach. I don't think I could have been more surprised, and the utility of under stable discs is definitely there. They have a pretty solid place in my bag for the time being.
Always the best videos Greg!
The kang reminds me of a prodigy PA-5. Just a glidey understable putter.
Got a detour last week and instantly in the bag and one of my go to discs already. Best disc of the year for me.
I’ve found use for the lone wolf on a water carry hole at my local, and it fits that one shot perfectly… but nothing else 😂. I love that disc.
I throw almost exclusively rhbh. I throw the khonsu and the fuse a ton. They both work for big anyhyzer bomber lines with a reliable cut roll that helps if you come up short or even deep right.
Discraft archer , love it !
Ooh, guessing Paradox or Rollo from the hype (and having thrown a Paradox).
Great video. My go to is the Discraft Archer (5 4 -4 1). Plays a little faster then 5 and a little less turn then -4. Reliable turn though and just fades out preventing the cut roll. Was hoping to see it in the line up.
Looking forward to trying out a Detour and comparing it to a Gateway Mystic (my primary understable midrange). That would have been neat to see in the video.
Just started watch and I had to comment already. Almost a newbie and got a Meteor right after my 3 starter discs. I was so confused for so long as the numbers are so wrong. I didn’t know what to do or buy for quite some time until I figured it was just a fluke. It’s my “perfectly straight” disc now! Ha!
I love this series
Got a stock and Bendy James Detour recently. Bendy James went into the bag, pulling out my somewhat seasoned Z Buzzz SS.
I would've liked to have seen Gateways Mystic, TSA's Mana and the Comet
I love the lone wolf. that is my woods carving machine when I need to flip to flat and then turn over. I also bag the bb6, for slightly less flippy shots in the woods.
(RHBH) I am not really using the understable mids for turnovers yet, I am using them to toss effortless on a comfortable hyzer to get far straight to where I aim. But I am getting there, the Archer and Stig are holding up not throlling nicely finishing to the right but landing flat. :D (Also the Stig goes forever on a hyzer flip to turn and a finishing little fade...)
Hurt a bit not seeing the Uplink. Lile the other MVP discs, it's really good at holding the turn and not burning out. For me the Detour flips up to flat, then holds straight for a long time. The Uplink thrown in the same manner will flip up and hold the light turn. Then the Paradox is one I throw on even more hyzer (not a crazy amount, just more) and it flips up, turns harder, and holds it.
I really have tried to move away from bagging so much MVP but their mids are fantastic. The icing on top is the Hex, Detour, Uplink, and Paradox all feel almost the exact same in your hand. So you get use to the shape throughout the round and don't even really feel like your changing discs. Your jist changing the shot shape without really changing your release.
Love this video, with you would have tested the Innova star or halo star Stingray. Great disc.
I had a Tursas but just didn't love it and have switched to an uplink which I really like.
Great video! Everyone needs to bag a Detour!
Bought a special edition Detour as a gift this week. Now I might have to go buy one for myself.
I bag 175g stock Luna for hyzer flip to turnover. 182g older esp meteor for hyzer flip to dead straight. 175g fission reactor for hyzer flip up to stable finish. Glow envy for flat Dead straight and my favorite disc a 4yo proton pyro for stable finish with skip. This is only backhand. Pyro and toro are my 4handers which is my go-to
Lmao. I knew that was a meteor right off the rip 😂
That Leviathan was wild 🤣
It is just staggering seeing the amount of brands, models & plastics available these days. I don't know how any players keep track.
It was so simple when it was Innova or Discraft and the crazies would throw Gateway :D
DGA Tremor in my experience
My meteor flips up and goes to the right just fine
Yeah they start out straight, but after a couple weeks they’re an understable panning dream
I found a Lone Wolf (no name nor phone number on it) a while back ... I keep it in my bag for short, tight gaps where I need about 150 - 200 ft ... I find I can do a gentle, steep-angled hyzer-flip and get a relatively straight flight out of it.
What helps me is looking at the parting line heights of discs. The lower the PLH, the more understable it is.
We actually tested this in a previous video and found that PLH is not always accurate in predicting stability from one disc to another, especially across different plastics.
I feel that glide is as important as turn for a disc to be understable. If a disc have 6-7 glide you know it’s going to be understable even if it has 0 or -1 turn.
DX Leopard. It’s understable, but it doesn’t go as far right as I need at times. I might try the Rollo (I also need a roller disc).
Divergent discs Alpas! Very flippy, good roller like a tire lol
You can do those backhand shapes if you learn your angles and can hyzer flip a forehand 300ft. Not a small ask though
Can you do fairways next? I wanna see comparisons of the crave, rhythm etc😊
My Tursas is my farthest flying mid, it's older and marked 5, 5, -3, 1. They mistakenly changed the flight numbers.....
The Rollo is more fairway driver than mid-range I think. It has 1.5 cm rim which is the widest on this list I'd imagine. Fun disc.
Innova wolf. I think you should get the innova Lion on this show. Every plastic flies different and none of them by the numbers.
Gotta try the dynamic discs patrol.
You did 3 and 4 speeds that flew like mids. What about 6 speeds that are like mids? I love my Discraft Glide, but I need a replacement since Ledgestone stopped printing it!
I use the archer as my us mid. Mine is a -1 0 flight for me
Would love to see the TSA Mana added to this segment
Detour is close enough, it's less stable though cause no gyro
TSA Mana, RPM Piwakawaka, Mint Discs Lobster.
Are you basing the performance off one throw, or the average over 10-15-20 throws? A lot of variation in release angles for the determination to be made off one toss.
What about the Discraft Comet?
The Comet will forever be my understable mid. I use a Michael Johansen Tour Series Metallic Z from 2021 for this slot (-3ish turn).
Same here! Glides for days and great for slow annies both bh and fh. MJ made me do it!
I ordered a Leviathan after seeing this vid (plus a basilisk and a narwhal)
How many throws do you guys do, to determine the showed flight path of a given disk?
Really appreciate y'all evolving the production on these videos. This one was much more watchable than "watch us throw 10 discs." Great work.
Nice backhanded compliment
How did the more stable flight Sol end up to the right of the more understable flight Svea in the graohic?
The Comet has been uselessly under stable for me. I can’t throw it without it turning into a roller unless I throw it on a wild hyzer angle. The Discraft Impact and the Buzzz SS are my go-to understable mids.
im one of the dudes that dont bag a understable mid at all, with a pretty good forehand i didnt feel like i need that shot, but my local course is a super wide open 9 hole and we just got a new course with some wooded fairways so i got a bendy james Detour waiting for me in my mailbox right meow
Yikun Kang has a Rim Width of 1.4 so it should be called a 4 speed. Speed number should correlate to its Rim Width.
No uplink or archer eh? I threw the archer when my forehand wasn't feeling great but boy it felt terrible in hand. So the Uplink has been my go to for flippy mids, and even replaced my flippy putter.
Discraft makes a terrible flippy midrange (as a guy that throws almost all discraft)
So the Orbit Fuse is the one you want for your "straight mid-range" video I guess.
What kind of distance is Caleb getting here with these shot shapes?
Man alive! How do y'all throw flippy mids?! Even a neutral mid is a disaster for me. Need overstable or its a roller at best. Guess I can't control my armspeed well?
You probably needs to fix your form, armspeed isnt the issue. If a mid rolls, its probably because of a bad release causing the disc to wobble and get more understable.
@@lucasnoma1896 sounds right. There's too much torque on my backhand fo sho
Lmfaooo i got the lone wolf in my bag
Steve Irwin is rolling over. This video has no creditability without a DX Stingray in it.
Kinda sad I didn't see the uplink but we saw the detour
The stratus flight is probably partially due to how plastics have changed since 1998... I promise you the original stratus was flippy!
I use both a Neutron Paradox and a Star Rollo.
MVP Uplink is the most under-stable mid I've ever thrown
How about the Mint Discs Lobster?
It's the same mild and plastic as the jester one.
Lone Wolf. Still flippy at lower speeds.
The discraft impact?
Where is the STINGRAY!?!?
I throw a trash panda dune for understable midrange. I have a near max weight and a lighter weight one
Prodiscus Stari (4/4/-2/0)
No Discraft Comet?
When he throws the discs, are you using a radar to ensure he is throwing them the same speed?
Parting line and Wing is lower on the Svea than the Sol so the Svea should be more understable.
Buzzz ss for the win!
I was hoping to see Remix Discs Creature (Speed 5 | Glide 5 | Turn -3 | Fade 1)
is it because you guys don't carry it?
It is the same as the lobster and peace train, just "factory seconds/overrun" from mvp production.
No Mana from TSA? Have not ever really seen yall use any TSA.
I thought the svea was more understable than the sol
No uplink?
Discraft the breeze