The Two Nearest Tube Entrances
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- With Bank station on the Northern Line being upgraded, a new entrance is also being constructed that comes out on Cannon Street, and it's REALLY close to the surface entrance to Monument station - but how close?
There's only one way to find out, and that's to get out the measuring wheel ... !
More information form TfL about the new entrance on Cannon Street, here: tfl.gov.uk/tra...
My dad used to spend a lot of time pushing a measuring wheel thingy around and he reckoned it was like a free pass to anywhere and everywhere.
Just like a high viz vest and a bit of confidence gets you in everywhere
@@mats7492 And a clip board...
My co-worker givers her wheels a dog name and calls it walking the dog.
That reminds me of a story, also from a dad.
Many years ago, during a dance in a Belfast hotel, 4 chaps came to take away and clean the recently laid carpet. They looked very official and one caried a clip board .. must have been very dirty .. the carpet hasn't come back yet after over 30 years
@@brianmorrison9168 That's frickin brilliant!!!!!!
The fact that Geoff has a measuring wheel is just fabulous!
As well as entirely unsurprising
I think its first appearance was in the Least Used Station - Betchworth video.
Trundle wheel!!!
@@chrishowlett5916 Yes,that's what they were called when we used them in primary school.
The last time I saw one of those was in the hands of the boss of a tarmacing company. Two and a half grand later ,,, I love that you do this sort of thing Geoff
(Geoff happily trundling a measuring wheel through the city)
*TfL construction workers at Bank:* oh look, here's Geoff again, being completely normal 🤔
That's what I love about Geoff, he doesn't give a t-ss what people think. 😂
@@Gary0557 all in the name of content creation for us to enjoy 😂 and y'know the occasional Guinness World Record for all the stations
@@Gary0557 these videos are so charming and quirky, I love it! All in the name of fun right?
Next time I'm up in London it'll just be to ride the tube 😆
@doctor Azmain Haha, you watch this channel too?
To the construction workers it is perfectly normal behaviour from Geoff.
Ok, I admit i'm going to have to go and measure the distance between the two entrances of Hammersmith aren't I? Just ... to ... be ... sure ... ! But that is a station that has the same name, this is definetely the shortest difference between two stations with two different names.
The London Underground can be very confusing sometimes
It's... shorter, according to the Google Maps ruler
I get a figure of around 84 m on Google Earth using a realistic walking path. Or 71 m if you're just going in a straight line.
Go for it Geoff, we need to know just.... to..... be..... sure! 👍
How about the 2 Edgware Road stations..must be close!
I'd love to see Geoff using the wheel to find the two tube stations whose entrances are farthest apart.
The long slog.
As the crow flies, I'd guess Chesham and North Greenwich (48.22km/29.96 miles as the crow flies, 36.4 miles on foot).
That excludes Heathrow Terminals 2 & 3, which can't be walked to at all!
@@MattBirdTube Glad someone was paying attention! Yes, you're quite right.
@@RJSRdg Surely it’d be Chesham and Upminster though? Unless I’ve forgotten something logistical
@@RJSRdg Epping to Heathrow Terminal 5 is more than 30 miles.
Edit: Chesham to Upminster is 38 miles
As another exercise, you maybe want to measure the longest distance between two entrances of the same tube station.
The one I remember was visiting the Science Museum as a schoolboy. We got off the tube and walked along a a tunnel which seemed to go on forever!
@@sr6424 That is where we get into arguments about whether it is inside or outside the gate line :-)
That would bring up the old Paddington issue. According to the current Tube Map, it's all one massive station with connector blobs connected by lines, yet we know it's not just one station.
How about using the measuring-wheel to measure the distance between Amersham and Epping stations 🤣
@@toast99bubbles it’s not?
I love how Geoff answers questions I would never have been curious about
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... but which turn out to be interesting anyway
Next up - which station has the most amount of toilets!
@@Pez1979 if we are talking about the tube, which stations have toilets at all, especially inside the gateline...
Geoff needs a hi-viz with "All the Stations" on the back to make him look official
I was thinking - if Geoff wanted to look less conspicuous, he needed hi-viz.
@@rogink Look like you belong and you become invisible.
Merch opportunity!
And a pass saying, "Access all stations"
Technically he only needs hi-visibility clothing if he is doing this for 'work'. In which case he would have to comply wit the provisions of the Street Works act and wear PPE appropriate for the speed limit of the road.
Great video … love the fact you used a measuring wheel! I worked for 42 years in the Valuation Office (VOA) and have used one of those on numerous occasions when inspecting & measuring large areas of land etc. Both those other station entrances are amazingly close to the Bank Station entrances though .. so thanks for showing us how close they really are!
I remember calling it a trundle wheel in school.
I think that finding your perfect entrance/exit to bank for your journey is always satisfying
Perambulator, wisewheel, measuring wheel, clickwheel, hodometer and trundlewheel.
What really matters is, which two stations are closest together that appear furthest apart on the Tube map.
Nice. I start the bidding with Perivale to Wembley Central.
Well you got covent and Holborn, Leicester Square and covent, charing Cross to embankment.
Ha! I once pushed a measuring wheel along the entire length of the preserved section of Great Central. Nothing weird about pushing a measuring wheel along. Totally normal railway enthusiast activity.
Don't leave us in suspense. How long is it? In chains of course...
@@caw25sha Metric or Imperial chains. I have used a 20m long metric chain.
Given the traditional units, does that make you a chain enthusiast?
Given the traditional units, does that make you a chain enthusiast?
@@trueriver1950 Chains are a pain to clean, glad I have not used one for many years.
I’m still going to claim that whilst officially Back and Monument are separate stations; they really are only one overall station (and we/you should start a campaign to get them officially recognised as such. )
So, I’m going to say that, as far as I am concerned, it’s the Wallbrook entrance of Bank(Monument) Station to Cannon Street Station as the closest between two , separate, stations.,
My sentiments exactly. If you can access both 'stations' from within one gate line, it's really just one (interconnected, sprawling) station.
Back station I've never heard of it
The distinction is strange seeing as how kings cross st pancras is clearly one tube station.
Now that there are free out of station interchanges, I can't think of any reason to take the underground walkway between Monument and Bank to connect from Circle/District to/from the Central line or Waterloo & City.
The Walbrook entrance to Bank is no fun either, it's a seemingly endless and featureless underground experience: IMHO you're better off being outside and walking to a more appropriate entrance for you favoured line at Bank junction, especially now as a pedestrian you no longer risk life & limb negotiating the junction.
@@arthurgiles379 The tubes are one station but the overgrounds aren't technically. St Pancras is code STP and King's Cross is KGX for example.
They want to merge Euston into the mix at some point and have a mega station called Euston-St Pancras and the station would be 15 minutes walk end to end.
I know that to all intents and purposes, Monument is effectively a couple of extra platforms for Bank station, just with a different name. Since they've started the upgrade works at Bank, I've felt that although it is physically a seperate station, Cannon Street is essentially part of Bank as well. I suspect in the longer term, that may well actually happen.
If counting Overground, then CrossLizPurp will count soon. Farringdon (eastern end) to Barbican will be pretty close.
I do think that Bank/Monument can be considered as one station nowadays.
Should be called Mank.
Bonument.
James Bonument.
I think it has often been referred to as Bank/Monument Complex.
should just connect the station complexes in the downtown for that one mega underground walkway to rival skyway (whatever that barbican way thingmagic is called again...)
Bonkument? Ummm.....errrr........
How Cannon Street, Monument and Bank are separate stations bewilders me
You need to put on a hi-vis to avoid strange looks.
You call it high vis, I call it high invisibility. Wear it and you disappear to most people.
I had just come to make the exact same point, well done for beating me to it.
Yeah, my thought as well
@@truckerallikatuk What if he wears a suit
Can get away with anuyh if you wear a high vis
If you're classing Monument & Bank as two separate stations (despite the subway connection), then could you say the same for the two Paddingtons (Praed Street and the Hammersmith lines)? Because the ramp into the mainline station is surely a street entrance to the Hammersmith lines, no?
Regent’s Park to Great Portland Street are very very close to each other
I do love the walbrook/bloomberg entrance although i am biased as i worked on it both as an apprentice and a planning manager
Whatever the topic of the video is, always follows after a few seconds rolling in, a sense of joy and a smile. Thanks for sharing your passion and vision of this reticular and moving world.
72m at that point they might as well just dig a tunnel between the two stations and conect them up
They already did that in the 1930s!
But they have...
Bruh there's a massive walkway underground between the two stations.
Way to miss the joke, people...
@@EmyrDerfel hey its the Internet. Comedy is ignored all the time
Awww loved london worked all round there, threadneedle, old broad st, linenhall, st mary, fenchurch, lime, martin lane, canon, holborn, cheapside, ludgate awwww miss it some great times and great people, thank you city of london 🤍
We all love the Bonkument complex
I really admire his dedication to learning everything he can about the Underground.
Imagine the help he could give to folks using the tube in person for the first time . . .
I like how the this video was mentioned in the last video about Bank Station platform closure video and this video is a follow up from that video by measuring the distance between tube station entrances. But it's nice to take the measuring wheel walkies, interesting great video Geoff.
Embankment (Villiers Street exit) to Charing Cross morning rush hour entrance next to the Playhouse Theatre on the corner of Embankment Place and Northumberland Avenue is around 80 metres. White City to Wood Lane, Queensway to Bayswater and Regents Park to Great Portland Street are also interesting, but at around 200 metres each.
As someone who's original commute was Gillingham to Cannon St, Cannon St to Chancery Lane, I would have needed this forty years ago, to save me getting the tube from Cannon St to Monument, then the Bank to Chancery Lane. Of course, I didn't know better, being a country boy. At least, I think that's what they called me.
Most folk I knew took the red arrow bus from Cannot St to Chancery Lane ! (the long walk is down to Blackfriars Bridge, up the hill past St Brides, along Fleet Street then up Fetter Lane. - depends where you actually needed to end up) I dont think in the 1980s Blackfriars to City Thameslink (or Farringdon) was completed ?
@@highpath4776 Target was the mighty Pru' on High Holborn. Bus was 501? 521? One went to Waterloo, I think. A colleague showed me that I could walk all the way in around fifteen minutes, so I did that after a couple of weeks.
This has made me wonder how close Charing Cross and Embankment tube stations are to each other as they are very close.
From Google measuring tool, I'd say around 150 metres give or take, from the back entrance of Embankment to the CC entrance on Villiers Street. So quite close to the above!
I’ve always spent more time in Westminster than in the City, so this is a very good question.
@@stephenholt4670 I was wondering the same. But the Villiers Street entrance is to the main line station. The nearest underground entrance would be on the Strand.
@@digitig Not quite, there is an Underground Entrance at the top of Villiers Street before you hit the Strand which is nestled between John Adam St and York Place outside Five Guys 👍
@@jacksebsmith Oh, yes - on the opposite side of the road. I'd forgotten that one.
One of the (many) things I love about your videos is that you really don't give a damn about what you do and the many odd looks you must get whilst you're doing it. Wonderful stuff as always Geoff.
A true mad lad. I had a look around for the southern platform today and all mention of the northern line is basically gone. The very long up down rollercoaster between monument and bank if you go underground makes this new exit seem worth it for transfers
The way he is brave enough to walk through London with a measuring wheel and people probably walked past him like a phsycopath
Its London. You could walk around with a sheep on your head and nobody would bat an eyelid :)
@@stevemichael8458 just don’t smile and say hello to people. That would be weird
Sure, people will look but nobody cares really.
@@stevemichael8458 try bristol, you would get stared up and down for wearing shorts and sandals with a T-shirt during a 35 degrees day
@@stevemichael8458 You too eh? Nice to know I'm not the only one.
Another interesting and thought provoking video Geoff, Many thanks.
Other examples of short distances between different stations (although not as short as featured of course) are Euston to Euston Square, Euston Square to Warren St and Great Portland Street to Regents Park, All coincidently also quite close together
I literally walk those same routes every day. Wish I’d bumped in to Geoff.
Excellent trundle wheel action
100% this is the content I come to CZcams for
Why is this so entertaining ??!!?! Hot measuring wheel construction action, that's why!
A measuring wheel? Love it!
it'd be cool if you could do more on the underground structures of the stations themselves i.e. the layout of tunnels and caverns and the challenges of weaving new stuff into existing structures
Every time someone mentions Bank station, all I want to ask is why the heck does it have SO MANY ENTRANCES?! 😅
I must have used Bank Station hundreds of times and each time I find a different exit. I came out in Alice Springs once.
Because it has that many exits.
Next question:
More to the point, I've yet to see a reference for the best entrance(s) for a given line. The Walbrook entrance is a pig if you're heading to the Central line for example, you're better off walking outside and taking Entrance/Exit 1 on the corner of Poultry & Princes St.
Great for giving people the slip...
@@trueriver1950 That might not be true - sometimes they become one way .
Yet again, you make my geek heart beat faster.
Well are Bank and Monument even separate stations or should you see them as one giant interlinked station? I've heard several different opinions on this and I can't tell myself.
You don't go through a gateline between Bank and monument so for me they are the same station
IMO they're seperate but connected stations. That's because, at some Bank entrances (such as Walbrook), there's no signed access to Circle/District via Monument, but you are signed to enter via Canon Street station, and vica versa
@@timothymeyer3210 tbf, they are also officially counted as seperate.
It is actually quicker to walk above ground between bank and monument up King billy Street. This is due to all the tunnels and stairs
@@xander1052 Even TfL counts CS/B/M as a single complex
I love that somebody had already wondered about Hammersmith. That was the first thought in my head. Also Towers Hill and Gateway?
Although DLR isn't the tube either?
It’s true that there’s no underground connection between the two Hammersmith stations, but, growing up there, we never considered them as “separate” stations. It’s probably close to 70m but you will have a very difficult job measuring it with your wheel (due to the traffic). Incidentally, back in the 50s, before Hammersmith Broadway became one-way, my father, a Metropolitan Police constable, would sometimes do “point duty” there (directing the traffic), standing on (iirc) a tiny island built in to the road.
I always wondered why there was never a passenger tunnel between the two Hammersmith stations.
Thank you for scratching that particular (and sliiightly weird) little itch with a fun video, Geoff! Cheers!
This is fantastic information , I want to know this in more Cities 👍
These videos are always very good
I often use the walbrook bank entrance after getting off a cannon st as it's very handy for the Waterloo and city line.
So it is basically around 15 floors but horizontally, isn't it? ;)
Hi Geoff, was great to bump into you whilst you were filming this video! Thanks for being so friendly and chatty and keep up the amazing content!
Ha haaa, hello! Yes this was the day you caught me in the middle of doing this! Lovely to meet and chat to you. 😊👍
Found my new favourite CZcamsr
Regarding the Walbrook entrance to Bank: you only do it once. It's a tediously long underground walk with few reference points. It seems faster walking overground to the entrance appropriately closest to your chosen line, especially now that negotiating Bank junction as a pedestrian is so much easier.
It's a little like (but admittedly not quite as bad as) taking the underground walking link between Monument & Bank. Presumably the underground walk from the new Bank entrance on Cannon Street to the Bank platform will be a similarly featureless underground warren.
Maybe this is a new hitherto unsuspected Relativity effect; does time actually pass more slowly when you are walking in an underground passage?
That must be a long underground walk from the new bank entrance to the platforms
Not really - the Northern line and DLR platforms extend pretty much that far south. The lifts won't involve much walking at all, despite being vertical.
That walbrook entrance is quite a hike to the northern line or DLR platforms
Loving the wholesome content.
Also, what about the difference between Charing Cross and Embankment stations?
I wondered about Aldgate to Aldgate East, but seemingly that's around 250m, so not in the same ballpark as these!
Very interesting Geoff. Love that you’ve used dot-matrix in your video lol 😆
If you visit Shadwell station, you’ll find the Overground & DLR stations are also very close together!
Three cheers for precision ridiculousness!
A man obsessed ! But very entertaining, so please keep making your videos on such creative ideas like this. 😉
As someone who worked for LU for 15 years, I can say that Bank and Monument always were (I left a decade ago so things may have changed) one station with the same staff. The supervisor answered the phone "Bank Monument". As an afterthought, what about between Leicester Square & Covent Garden or Queensway & Bayswater?
Just looked at Leicester Square & Covent Garden because they're famously only 260 m apart in the tunnel. But door to door at street level about 60m more. Queensway & Bayswater look better at ~170m. - It's long amused me that Queensway is on the Bayswater Road while Bayswater is on Queensway.
It's interesting that the two closest tube stations aren't the shortest tube station journeys, I'm thinking of Covent Garden to Leicester Square which are 300m apart but takes about 40 seconds to travel between them.
so what is the shortest tube journey ( isnt one of the stations on district line around stepney green visable from the next station - Aldgate East and Whitechapel - likewise a couple on the East London Line
An issue with going gateline-to-gateline is that (correct me if I'm wrong on this) the Walbrook gateline is down an escalator. The trundle-wheel will be still going up the escalator, so won't be measuring. Also we don't know where the gateline of the Abchurch entrance is because it hasn't opened yet.
In Boston Massachusetts, Park Street station, or Pahk Street as said with a Boston accent, is only about 50 meters from Boylston Street station at the end of the block on the corner of Tremont and Boylston Street
Fabulous video and information Geoff!! This is amazing! Love this so much!
I regularly used to walk underground between Bank and Monument stations, as they are interconnected. Cannon Street is also only a short walk from Bank along the pavement.
On the Munich S-Bahn, there are entrsnces to Hauptbahnhof and Karlsplatz , (both coming out on Schutzenstrasse) which are very close, 100 metres if that.
Also in Berlin, entrances to Kurfurstendamm and Zoologischer Garten are pretty close.
In a related matter I researched the shorest track distance between two stations. From what I can find, is that it is Covent Garden to Leicester sq; 260 meters (Picadilly) whilst what I thought it was the shortest, Charing X - Embankment is actully a tad longer at 270 meters..
Because both stations have really difficult and dagerous traffic, to take the tube is in my mind preferable to walking, even if you;re only going between those two stops.
So the two nearest are not Covent Garden and Leicester Square. Why have I been thinking that for the last 15 years??
They are the closest by track
@@geofftech2 ok now it makes sense, thanks for the details :)
@@geofftech2 so how far apart are the surface entrances there? It feels like you need to follow up on your walk-faster-than-the-tube-videos
They are the closest on the same line. Except for Canary Wharf and the two DLR stations either side of it, but the walking distance there is a lot longer.
What about Bayswater to Queensway? You can see one from the other.
Those were the two I thought of but a Google search says they're about 150 yds apart which is 137 meters.
Probably worth measuring the Hamersmith-Hammersmith distance, because it's going to be darn close.
You can get a metal clipboard to accompany the measuring wheel. Makes people give the look of approval
Which underground station has the greatest distance between two of its exits (based on a shortest walking distance through the station)?
I’d say this belongs to a new crossrail station. Before then, My bet would be on either paddington station , London bridge or knightsbridge.
I'd suggest that Bank and Monument probably also have the furthest apart entrances for the same station complex, too. Must be more than 1/4 mile from the entrance in Poultry to the entrance in Fish Street Hill!
Crow flies between the northern St Pancras entrance and the Pentonville Road entrance of Kings Cross St Pancras is 400m. Poultry to Fish Street Hill is 448m. (1/4 mile is 402m)
So then, what are the two furthest apart entrances for a single tube station?
400m between St Pancras (North) and Pentonville Road entrances to KXSP.
~500m walking distance between the Science Museum entrance to South Kensington and the southern entrance at the station itself.
Science Museum Exit and Pelham Street Exit at South Kensington probably rank pretty high on the list given the length of the museums subway tunnel.
Do you count that long walkway from the Natural History Museum as a tube entrance?
@@chunkyboyjames I lived directly opposite the Science Museum entrance for about 12 years in a flat adjacent to the back of the V&A. 95%+ of the time I walked outside and took my chances crossing Cromwell Road, it's a far more interesting seven minute walk. When it was raining though, it was a different story, I was more than happy to take the underground route!
I remember reading somewhere that originally it was due to go all the way up to the park/Royal Albert Hall as part of Albertopolis.
There was a downside: I used to wake up at about 5am mornings when the first tube ran: despite being quite a way from the station, the pedestrian tunnel acted as a conduit for the rumble of trains. I mostly got used to it.
They should just make Bank and Monument be a single station named Bankument (TM).
This is absolute peak geek. Love it 😀👍🏻
I need to book my vaccine, I am searching for a new car, others things to do ... hey, a video with Geoff strolling on London with a measuring wheel ? of course I have to see that now !
New new or s/h new ?
Had to watch this when I saw the measuring wheel.
Someon has probably already mentioned it, but those stairs lead to a public subway. The actual entrance to Monument station is down in the subway. (It's rather like Old Street in that regaee.)
Whenever I see someone pushing a measuring wheel, a voice in my head says, I want that job, no idea what it entails but it always looks a cool job.
Geoff, if you just needed your hi-vis on to go with your wheel! 🤣
I would have thought the closest are Bayswater and Queensway.
About 250 m i think
Would love to see a TFL rail video...another request from my 5 year old 😁
Your next video should be measuring the distance between the two Hammersmith stations
So if they do the obvious, and connect adjacent entrances up, you'd be able to walk all over London without ever actually catching a train.
But I wonder how Bank stacks up against Chatelet-Les Halles.
The thing that will be interesting to see once it's all open is if it is quicker to go up out of gateline to change at bank/monument than internal change
you know Geoff, if you put on a Hi-Vis vest when you do things like this no one would give you a second look. It works for me.
Great measure tool Geoff good for future
In Berlin we have kinda the same situation with 2 stations after the split behind Wittenbergplatz westbound. Zoologischer Garten U2 and Kurfürstendamm U1 at the east side are very close together. and because it is the only case I was really surprised as I found this 10-15 years before,
Talking entrance to entrance but not tube to tube, Sudbury Hill to Sudbury Hill Harrow must be once of the closest?
Reminds me of the two Rector Street stations in New York. They are literally across the street from each other, with a straight-line distance of about 70 feet. Going to the nearest crosswalk at Morris Street to walk between them is longer!
By the way, Apple Maps reports Hammersmith to Hammersmith is about 70 meters, so you may need to check that one.
True, the Rector St stations are like the two Hammersmiths: on different lines with fare control between them.
How about the Fulton St complex as a better example? One that’s even worse underground than Bank/Monument. The MTA spent all that money on a nice headhouse on Broadway and did very little to ameliorate the internal station layout.
Just a Geoff taking his wheel for a roll.
If you were on the District Line and wanted to change to the Central Line, would it be quicker to do the internal 'Monument for Bank' walk along the Northern Line platform or to leave Monument Station and walk to the nearesst entrance to Bank Station?
Or to stay on till cannon St and get out and go to bank that way.
I think its quicker (and necessary during the bank branch closure) to take the route via the DLR.
It would be quicker to stay within the station
Or even Mansion House to St Pauls? I suspect that might get you from platform to platform quickest
I've measured (using the Gmap Pedometer site) the *straight line* distance between the entrances to the two Hammersmith stations. It's 58 metres. Even allowing for the slight detour to cross at the pedestrian crossings, I wonder whether it might be a close contest between Hammersmith and Monument-Bank. Time for Geoff to get his wheel out again and go measure it! How does it compare with the distance between Catford and Catford Bridge stations, which are National Rail, and not London Underground? By my measuring (again, GMap Pedometer) that looks to be about 70 metres.
Geoff encourages me to take a measuring wheel to my next trip to Helsinki. I must definitely check if the distance between Kamppi station and Rautatientori station entrance on Simonkatu (Simon street) is even shorter that the one mentioned in this video.
At 3:22, Geoff has difficulty reading the digits 105.0, and says "a hundred and four" . An instant earlier, the meter rolls past 104.9.
I don't think 72m can be beaten. Other contenders: Charing Cross to Embankment? Great Portland Street to Regent Park? Warren Street to Euston Square? Edgware Road to Edgware Road? Bayswater to Queensway? You should do a Top Ten!
The shepherds Bush one is definitely less than that as I've had to change trains there before as an OSI.
I reckon if you had put a 'yellow jacket' on you would have totally blended in with the workers in the background.