Can the Church Answer Hard Questions? | Why I Don't Go (Episode 3)
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- Four young adults who have left the church sit down for a candid conversation with Lisa Fields to discuss why they don't go. Join the conversation on twitter, use #WIDG
Episode 1: • What Made You Leave th...
Episode 2: • Has Your Life Improved...
"Listening is the greatest apologetic tool." -Lisa Fields
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Ain’t gon’ lie, as soon as started hearing the objections my mind started racing with responses. It probably was difficult so Kudos to you for just listening ✊🏽👏🏽
This is something a lot of us have to learn. It is wise to take the time to listen and allow people to feel their emotions before meeting them with objections. Before Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead He didn't tell everyone that they had no faith as soon as He reached them. I'm pretty sure that He let them cry and wept Himself. This is something God has opened my eyes to. I experienced things in church where I felt people were more concerned with trying to "correct" than they were to actually hear what I had to say. I stopped going that specific service for over 4 years when I was younger and ended up just going to adult service with my other family members. I now know that they were just immature, as we all have been/are at some time, but that is how a lot of people get hurt. When leaders in the church are picked because of gifts or connections without considering maturity. The church should be more aware of this because even the Bible says that the gifts come without repentance.
@@meganp8766 hi i got curious..you mentioned the gifts are given even without repentance? can you direct me to scripture/s so i can study this more. thank you
@@adriandelapena9563 ah yes, I know I should have put the scripture references but got kind of lazy 🥴. Here's the verse about the gifts:
Romans 11:29
@@meganp8766 Thank you, i just checked the verse. have you considered checking other translations aswell as to what it meant? it seems like it did not mean that the gifts come even without repentance, but if it did, how could we reconcile the ff scripture?:
acts 2:38
38¶Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
anyway dont mind me if you are busy. it just kinda struck me thats why i wanted to study it.
@@meganp8766 but i agree with you that leaders should not be picked based on gifts without considering maturity. But above all that, Gods will should be the main category of choosing a leader.
This is really good. Pastors need to watch this information. We have to move beyond church as fairytale and good stories and engage with real life.
Will there be a time when you will address what they said. Its good to listen for real. Its also good to respond. Are they willing to hear
Right.
That’s a good question! Not being smart or judgmental (at least I’m not trying to be), but one thing I realize is that you have some true believers who are willing to listen to others and their beliefs even if we don’t agree with them, but when it comes to us and what we believe and sharing it we’re the ones that’s wrong and trying to be turned down or looked at as hateful and judgmental. It happens within the world mostly and immature believers. So while I think it’s important to listen wholeheartedly, it’s just as important to respond with God’s truth. His truth literally trumps all and exposes the hearts of people.
Here’s my 2 cents. I really think the church needs to learn that listening means listening. From the mere fact that they are connected to this channel, it means they have access to its many videos addressing their concerns. From what I am hearing, I’m pretty sure they have heard all the explanations before. I’m not hearing immature believers that are intellectually unaware of their issues, I’m hearing believers with legitimate concerns whose voices have not been heard. For them, the issue is deeper than just church membership. I dare say that the simple act of listening is actually a ministry of healing to them, because it happens so rarely.
Too many of us need to learn how to truly listen, instead of just listening to figure out when to speak. That way, when we do speak, it’s less of a one-way sermon and more of a two-way conversation.
There is a ministry of listening, as Lisa I rightly put it, that so many in the church simply do not understand, and it continues to drive so many away.
Exactly! That means taking hard questions instead of just brushing me off.
EVERYONE has questions and its important that the church gives clarity but its also important to research for ourselves
The Garden of Eden question was really thought provoking.
These were very legitimate concerns. I hope people see the exposure of the postering of the church here. I also hope you all see the importance of studying to show yourself approved, meditating on The Word day and night, and private prayer for relationship and revelation.
That's what I'm saying. It's a lifestyle not just a one day event. Many people are powerless because they don't have a prayer life, study of the word, and worship.
I never understand why ppl criticize and judge the church instead of getting in where they fit in to help andd buildd something wonderful. Sometimes, the very thing that plagues your heart is what God placed there as your assignment.
As an atheist I appreciate Christians being willing to have these discussions.
This is not a discussion
Why is it important for you to start out with “as an Atheist?”
@@mordecaibenisrael4685 To let the reader know he/her don’t believe in a HighYAH Power but they’re still seeking truth. At least the person wasn’t being rude like other atheist.
@@LivingMyBestAlways understood. I have dealt with far too many Atheists as I was one myself and have employed the same tactic as click bait. It is a tactic to lure in weak reasoning people who have no solid foundation of scripture. The solid foundation of scriptures only comes when the laws of God are practiced and understood. Secondly, there must be a clear understanding of why Christ died and that was to take the place of animal sacrifice, not the entire law. Any bible believer and true follower of The Most High, would destroy any perverted suppositions of the Atheist’s approach and logic.
Your comment was awesome. Sorry that you received some of the responses that you received.
I am for listening but we must respond with truth and understanding.
Aint no response to adam and eve... The only way to accept myth is to apply faith.. The same faith a child needs to subscribe to santa is the same type of faith that the arab needs to accept alah which is the same faith black folks need to subscribe to bible god.
Amen!!!!!
@@nickjones1314 So Very True.
As a preacher/pastor I am already catching the heat supporting you. Do not get me wrong. It's good. This conversation needs to take front stage and I do understand those who have left. However, it does not mean they left God. I'll be back.
One of the things I observed in the church is that many don’t have the same patience they have with the church compared to relationships, jobs, friendships etc. everyone has a church hurt story.
Also people put too much expectations on the church and leaders, and get mad and leave for something they felt they didn’t get etc. a church is a place/gathering of believers to fellowship and hear a word from God. We as the church are imperfect Save by Gods grace for those who believe in him. Sometimes people put God expectations on leaders and people of the church when we all are in process from our past pains/traumas. People who go to church whether your a member or non member, there needs to be more long suffering.
Facts! Whether we are Christian or Non-Christian, we are all flawed humans. Even church folks sometimes tend to look at preachers as if they are some kind of “super-saint” or “super christian” when they are human & susceptible to sin as well.
If you’re looking for a man to be %100 perfect, that man will let you down at some point. That’s why Christ was the only one who was ever perfect. And he’s the one that we should strive to become more and more like.
All of thier questions can be answered. I do see where they are coming from. I wish it wasn't so taboo to question the Church and the Bible, especially in the black community.
Exactly, that's what Bible study should be about.
@UCuBzYW2QMAhdW6soEzMcVWQ God gave elders and teachers to the body to assist in rightly dividing the word of truth. The church is a means of God's grace. That said, believers are also to be like the Bereans to verify what they are being taught.
@@dhfocus7 It literally blows my mind how Bible study is generally divorced from real life and profound questions. I don’t get it. Reading the. Bible and asking questions is literally the best thing I ever did.
Well, once upon a time questioning the church and the bible could get you burnt at the stake or put on the Judas chair. The fact that this isn’t as prevalent as it used to be, itself represents progress, however slowly it might have been made
Lisa, I'm an atheist and I really appreciate your quote "Listening is the greatest apologetic tool."
I hope you keep up the interesting dialog. I'm glad that you are such a good listener, lovely person.
Lisa, since you don't believe in the Almighty God who do you trust in?
@@pastormike396 I'm not Lisa, that's the young lady conducting the interview. If you mean me, I'm not sure I understand your meaning, would you mind clarifying? I'd be happy to answer if you like
@@pastormike396 I’ll answer. I trust no institutions. I trust my good judgment, sense of right and wrong, and willingness to treat others as I would like to be treated. I don’t need churches, preachers, or ancient books to do that.
Question for you: When you say almighty god, what exactly are you referring to?
The young man Jason brought to light some interesting revelation from the Garden of Eden. I had to literally pause and truly meditate on his words. I have been in church all my life never heard such an impactual insight. Bless you Lady Lisa for bringing this platform during such a time as now.🙏
Looking forward to seeing this!
I'm a nightmare for pastors because I asked questions they couldn't answer or answers that I felt fell short. With Covid lockdowns, I decided to not attend any church but to use this time to search and learn on my own. Perhaps it's really not about finding answers. 🤔
It is about finding truth!
I started asking questions too. Folk think I'm crazy,but the more I read and God show me the more errors I see.
I enjoy the videos and support the mission. This needed to be longer than 7 or 9 min. I also agree that it is good to listen...on both sides. Each of those questions has been addressed in lectures available from the greatest minds of the church living (and recently deceased). A good apologetic certainly begins with listening and is continued by those with ears who will hear.
Bless you Lisa Fields. You are doing such great work. Peace and blessings from South Africa.
Thank You Pastor.
YOOOOOO! I love this series! As a ever learning theology student... I would love to do a deep dive into these questions with someone who wants to know! Faith breeds revelation! He said study to show thyself approved! Taste and see that the Lord is good!
Not much need to study... Either you believe in myth or you dont. There is nothing that you can study that can show any evidence or proof to support the claim of a talking snake.. No healthy adult will ever accept that story without any facts to support it
Jabkey38.... I think... Im just an old man! I barely use it
@@nickjones1314 I’d love to rap with you and give you a clearer understanding of your statement. What you read is English, scripture is way more complex than what our eyes read. Scripture was written from a language that has been difficult to translate to English.
@@bernardmickle268 I wish you could rap wit me to bro. Yeah i have heard that its hard to get scripture properly translated to english.. But to me that is just another indication of the lack of divinity in regards to the scriptures... Many of the wisdoms found in the scriptures have power but this book aint getting nobody to a physical heaven and the lack of this book aint sending no one to a physical hell. Its just a book with a lil history a ton of mythology a ton of allegory and quite a bit of wisdom. Thats it
Only one pastor was able to answer certain questions I had and he took the time to do so writing a page long. Thank you pastor Mark from Imperfect Church in New York.
The second problem is not having two-way conversation instead of teaching at...them. Read the Gospels JESUS asked questions and listened not debate or overwhelmed with too much scriptures. Take it a step at a time, take it slow. Show them in the scriptures instead of tell them.
@Cloud Glove of course, that will happen. Apologetics is a great tool to use and Studying the Gospels and learning how Jesus interacted and conversed with others. HE asked questions first. Oftentimes, it requires listening and asking questions and finding common ground. Blessings.
Holidays are NOT a heavy matter they are NOT forcing anyone to celebrate holidays
The beloved brother asked a simple question that is worthy of a cogent response, regarding Adam and Eve. But his implications are problematic. He implies that the freedom to choose "evil" or the conception of "evil" is evil in and of it self. He asks if sin did not begin until they ate the fruit, then why did they want to eat it in the first place? He unwittingly removes human volition from his premise. Further, If one has the freedom to choose/conceive of "evil", then one has the freedom to choose/conceive of "good" because without "good", "evil" does not exist. Adam & Eve were not automatons hardwired to only choose "good". They were humans with volition to make any choice, good or evil.
Finally, he moved to the existential, "they were inexperienced" and up against an entity that was well experienced. He implies that Adam and Eve were like children, without wisdom or intelligence to comprehend and/or apprehend their existence. Adam gave name to all the animals. He pronounced his own matrimony to the woman. He was told to take dominion and subdue. This implies that Adam and Eve were intelligent beings. . . . I'll pause for now.
I think you missed the point. Yes, there are answers to his questions, but the church(es) he attended didn't seem to know those answers, teach them to him, or help him learn how to find those answers for himself. They told the story but couldn't teach it. They probably wouldn't even discuss these questions. Even a simple back- and- forth would have helped. Also, maybe he didn't stop believing; maybe he just stopped going to a church that had no better ability to deal with questions than that.
@@jamesengland7461 I appreciate your response. Yes, that is the point. I offered direct response to his inquiry that, obviously, the unanswered questions were a part of the reason he left church. Truth is whether he goes to church or not, is hardly my concern. The challenge I raise is for him to think about this own questions adequately, rigorously, especially examining the implications and assumptions of his own questions. I think if he did that, he could at least release the church from its responsibility to answer his questions. Again, he must first deal with his presuppositions and implications of his questions. And if he cannot or will not, why did he leave the church in the first place? He can blame or indict the church for failure to answer the questions, but in so doing he must blame and indict himself if he has not examined the underlying assumptions of his questions-- An examination, after which, he may find that no answer is necessary, because he may find that the inadequacy is in his assumptions and not in the church's failure to answer the questions he raises on his assumption. And maybe he would have stayed in fellowship. To be fair, the clip is only 9 mins.
@@RunJonathanRun well, they're not much of a church then, either. I think that's the sad part. Too many churches are just flat mediocre, shallow, lazy, and anything BUT intent on the gospel and discipleship. A few choruses and a witty sermonette, and they're done. No Bible study at all, no activity outside the four walls, the list goes on. I think we're now seeing during this pandemic that churches simply lie dormant, offering nothing more than a weekly Facebook Live to their congregations. They didn't have much else to offer either.
@@jamesengland7461 I think you raise a fair observation. But is the onus on the church alone? Have parishioners demanded more? Is their a requirement for churches to go deeper? If all the people in churches would stop going and/or watching live streams, churches would be forced to do something different. It seems that churches are giving people what they demand, even if it is mediocre, shallow, or lazy, especially in America. It's capitalist-centered Christianity that operates on the fundamental law of economcis--supply and demand.
Jonathan Brown & James England, you're both right. But the simple fact remains: wherever two or three are gathered, YHWH is in the midst. I say that because people don't flock to Truth; The Truth is revealing, The Truth is confrontational, The Truth hurts. So, in essence, since sincerity and Truth are at a premium - to the point that only few search for it and even fewer find it, there is no need for church buildings, and certainly not big ones!
I'm glad this forum is happening. I hope there is a forthcoming forum to address these points because there are some very poignant answers to these very good questions.
I don't think God was setting us up for failure...I think God was setting the scene for Jesus to come
Well said and amen 🙏
@MakeItPlanVlog but why did Jesus need to come if everything was perfect? Why destroy what was good only to send someone to save all when all was perfect in the first place. It’s counterintuitive.
@@jwill1027 Good question! Here's what I believe. John 1:1 says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Then further down it says in verse 14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
So that implies that Jesus was with God the Father from the beginning. God also being all knowing knew what was going to happen before it happened. When lucifer and the fallen angels were cast down to earth it wasn't perfect anymore - and realistically he was the one that caused man to sin. He tempted Eve who then gave the fruit to Adam. That brought sin into the earth which separated man from God. Then there were the fallen angels that were sleeping with women, there were giants and violence all over the place which God didn't like causing Him to flood the earth. (Read Genesis 6.)
I believe God knew all of this was going to happen though - that's why Jesus was there from the beginning. The devil brought sin into the world and Jesus came, died, and rose to bring us back to where we can be close with the Father again. Jesus also opened the door for Holy Spirit to come which is a major help to us.
In the end - Jesus is going to come back and get rid of sin and the devil for good and we will be able to be back with the Father as He originally intended. 🙌🏽
@@jwill1027 who destroyed the good and perfect state in the garden? wasnt it man with the deception of the enemy? our sin destroyed what was good. And Jesus came to save us from our own destruction, warring against the enemy that deceived Eve. As Jesus Himself laid down His life and received destruction upon His flesh, conquering the evil one. God promised this very salvation to us as soon as Adam sinned.
Genesis 3:15
15And I will cause hostility between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and her offspring.
He will strikefn your head,
and you will strike his heel.”
Jesus coming was the fulfillment of God's promise from the beginning.
I hope this information helps
@@adriandelapena9563 @MakeItPlainVlog man was born without sin back then. So you’re you’re basically telling me God created Angels (Satan) imperfectly, casted them out to an area where his perfect creation resided. the “new born” (man) was tricked into sin by an “old one” (Satan) and was forever doomed until Jesus (an extension of God) came to save all.
Thanks for the responses but it doesn’t make sense to me. God could end all this just as fast as he created this mess but instead he chose not. Sending Jesus was just to save face. If he truly cared he’d do everything in his power to right his mess up of creating a bad Angel leading to the damnation of man and he’d do it in a less convoluted way.
As a mother I would not punish my child and their offspring for forever and expect them to blindly believe something just to be back in my saving grace. That’s extremely toxic and narcissistic. We are supposedly made in his image so I can’t imagine God punishing us (his children) and damming us for forever after one mans mess up and for not blindly following him. I’m not like that so there’s no way my God is that way.
There is a growing movement of believers who are being called out to separate themselves from the church. Covid has given us all a great opportunity to strengthen our faith with the one true pastor messiah Jesus Christ (yahushua). No, you can’t go to church and just not participate in Christmas, Easter, etc etc. the church celebrates traditions of men and the spirit has revealed that in these past years. Praise Yah!
Ultimate legalistic religious person. Your good deeds don’t save you.
Who is calling believers to separate themselves from the church? The church is the body of Christ, and Christ is the head. If you separate from the body of Christ, who is the head of your "separated body"?
True spiritual church doesn’t celebrate Christmas or Easter. Any congregation celebrating something simply not found in scripture is in reality practicing traditions of men and are probably more legalistic then I’d ever mean to be. No one is saved by the law, but you certainly don’t have the right to tell me I’m legalistic for speaking out against unscriptural things. I’d rather promote reading the word on your own than getting involved in a system that’s just incorrect on too many levels.
You must read & study for yourself daily. Preachers can enhance your knowledge. Be like the Bereans & discern if they preach the truth. Learn apologetics & church history. Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. These questions show little understanding on the part of those asking the questions.
Preachers really cant afford to go into history, especially when it comes to our community... Black people being introduced to god by white people is a constant theme in history. Once our people began to recognize that, i imagine many more of our people will be leaving the church. Its hard to tell a healthy adult that a snake had a verbal conversation with a lady and that a 500 year old man built a boat.. There is no history in that... This is why we have been told for decades to have faith.
Can you please make the videos longer!!! The conversation is very interesting. Also, if these concerns are being brought up, shouldn't we also have some sort of response? You should have a guess come in to answer some of the questions that was brought up.
I'm starting to think this is just one long taping or something, bcuz the episodes are WAY TOO short. An she doesn't change her guests which is also an issue for me. They're are PLENTY of people that have left the church and they're stories and reasoning deserves to be heard as well. Plus, I feel like bcuz she uses the same ppl these conversations are too soft, like harder issues such as abuse, brainwashing, and a lack of spiritual growth aren't being addressed. Also, I don't recall if her guests have really been in church for years as adult members and had to deal with a lot of changes in they're Christian walk so in a way it just seems like they left bcuz they didn't want to deal with something they didn't like. They're stories just sound too familiar. However, that's just my perception.
They will do a response at the end of the series. These videos are about LISTENING. We need to learn to listen first and see whwre others come from before responding with a rebuttal. She literally says that in every video.
@@naturallymemarie9650 I'm aware that these videos are about listening dear. At first, I was like, "oh, this is lovely. I'm glad we get to hear their perspective." I just feel like what's the purpose of ONLY listening and not trying to help or show them a different way because not all churches are like the ones they went to. I didn't know there would be a response at the end! And when I say, trying to help, I don't mean 'convince' them to going back to church, but to give them a new perspective about the church as a whole.
I love this!!!!!
I really enjoy this series so far. I wish they kept these together at least 2 question on 1 video, so that ot would create a better discourse
Keep up the Good Work Lisa l like what you.
This is important work
There are many Questions in and out of the church that are not answerable yet it is good to debate them no matter the topic
Not to equivocate, but will there be a time for you panelists to listen? As I listen, there are indeed some wrong beliefs about what church is or should be that I think may contribute to unhealthy expectations of a biblical church.
Truth
Fair statement. However, they are sharing their experiences. Maybe church leaders should do a better job of discussing what church is and why it exist.
Yesss! This is what I was trying to say in my comment, but you said this wayyy better! Yes we want to listen to understand, but then there are lots of misconceptions about the church.
yeah, we have another series of videos where we answer their questions
@@Jude3Project Yay! I can't wait to see this!
This is gettn good 👍
i LOVE you are doing this discussions. raised Catholic n stopped going nov '20. would love to participate in your discussion if possible. Thanks!
I have heard many people say the same thing about the garden of Eden story. Many people feel God set Adam & Eve up and the punishment was unfair.
WHY?
Looking at it without seeing the full context, it CAN appear that way honestly. But God warned Adam ahead of time & told him that he could eat from any tree in the garden, except for that particular one. But I see where they are coming from, though.
Don't give up, refocus on Jesus, re astablish Jesus on the throne of your heart, judgement is coming, and u don't want to be on the wrong side of God's judgement, he will explain all to all of us in due season if we faint not, give God the chance to be God, open up your eyes saints, your eternal destiny is hanging in the balance.
❤ so true
Shalom beautiful people of The Most High God and many blessings to you and your beautiful families.
Jason's question regarding Adam and Eve in the garden is a very legitimate concern. And he has every right to desire a clearer understanding about this event. I don't know if he still feels the same way about what took place in the garden but it had alot to do with The LORD teaching man how to properly use his free will.
The LORD gave man freewill because a relationship that is built on covenant is a relationship that is absent of control and oppression. Freewill is about trust. Freewill comes with the responsibility of understanding right from wrong. When The LORD gave the instructions to man regarding the trees, He was protecting man's freewill. He had to set a particular principle in place to teach man how important it is to protect this ability to choose.
Yes the enemy was given access to test man and man failed, but this also shows us the grace and intimate love The LORD chooses to give man even though he made a poor decision when exercising his freewill. The LORD knew what He was doing when He gave us freewill. He didn't create mankind to oppress them but to richly develop an authentic relationship with them through this ability to make choices. Freewill is built to compliment wisdom's nature. Freewill functions in alignment with this spirit which is another teaching all within itself. Smiles and Shalom
Harden not your hearts❤ Lord i pray that you bring full understanding through your holy spirit to these and all who have questions regarding the faith and hope in Christ Jesus. Help us to have more small groups of fellowship(studying, praying, fasting) as this disciples did. It's so needed. Help us to Study for ourselves so that we are not deceived by false teaching or someone messing up in church. Paul said.. Once I leave, their will be wolves from among you who will scatter the sheep. If that was happening in the bible days, SURELY it's happening now😔 but we aren't surprised because the word warns us of these things. Oh Holy spirit we need you. 🙏❤
Yes I have a hard question? I was married for five years my husband committed adultery I went through it I got a divorce.
As years went on I had to forgive my my ex-husband.
My ex-husband got remarried and God told me I could not marry I'm angry I walked away from my faith.
I serve God for 25 to 30 years Faithfully giving sacrificing giving to my hurt I've gave money and I didn't get one thing in return. "God told me He promised me he would bless me".
Now I'm not saying I'm perfect but I did not cheated.
Being faithful and honest is not enough.
I could have been more satisfied staying in the world.
Some things you can't pray enough or pray away.
I found out for myself in the faith things are not what they appear to be.
I've known people who been in church for years they are poor they can't pay their bills there catching the bus to come to church their children are struggling in school.
Why isn't the church supporting the people who's been faithful??
Where is God ?? I think God is selfish and mean.
And I don't care what no one thinks if you have not experience what I've been through shut the hell up.
One question that I always find myself pondering as it relates to my experience as a follower of Christ is this:
Is the evidence for Christ being who He said is based on who He claimed to be, His lifestyle, death, and resurrection or is it based on whether or not He answers my prayers the way I want him to?
Really helps me to keep things in their proper perspective. I should tailor the Bible to my worldview, I should tailor my worldview to the Bible.
Very good questions especially the Adam and Eve, and grief ones. This is why teaching is really important. Easter and Christmas were attempts by church leaders to wipe out the pagan connections of these Holidays. It's not obligatory to celebrate them.
I’d like to know why these convos are so short? The church could learn a lot more if they were longer.
This needed to be longer
with welcomed responses to each question!
It would be nice to have someone there that knows the word of God. And did God send these believers to the church they are attending?
We are going through a leader-shift. God is instituting new leaders over the body...
If they are anti-toxic then they understand that they have to deal with them selves first as we all do. There are no perfect situations in or out the church. They will be running forever
Most folks like myself an Jason are not looking for a “perfect church.”Some of our issues has much less to do with the organization and more to do with doctrine. Some of us are looking to reconcile our understanding and frustration with God of the bible.
@@ashleyactress1 I get it. However, I’m curious as to how leaving the church altogether help with those efforts?
@@ddt2425 Well, for starts, if your issue is with doctrine esp. like the creation story (described how Jason explained), the cross becomes skewed at a foundational level. Then, the biblical preaching in church is no longer edifying your spirit optimally. What do you get from going to church and participating in it’s bureaucracy? Your foundation has crumbled apart, everything after that becomes performative.
@@ashleyactress1 I totally get it. But, to rule out all churches? I disagree with that decision. Additionally, there is an element of edification and sanctification that takes place in fellowship with other saints. Blessings
@@ddt2425 Blessings to you also. Thank you.
I agree with listening without judgment😃. However are your panel willing to listen to solid biblical answers? Like “Jude 3” I too enjoy apologetics. I do personally feel like I could answer many of these questions. I hear their stories, and their stories are so true of many that I’ve come across. I would love to correspond with them. Be blessed.
Some say she should answer their questions. Here in lies the problem giving them the answer instead of teaching them how to read and Study the scriptures for themselves and allowing the Holy Spirit to answer.
That's a word! But we are to defend our faith so I think the conversion is necessary, no? Blessings.
@@mrs.murphy2611 in this case no. Most people hear the slogan defend the faith or contend for the faith and don't know what that means or when to defend. The word defend and/or contend has to do with those against or oppose to the faith. In this scenario they're not against or opposed but questions about it. This is why many are confused and turned off because Some are quick to defend and debate rather than listen and ask questions and be patient and gracious and gentle. Let scripture context rule.
@@tracey1brave.
Ok gotcha. That makes sense. Study to show yourself approved comes to mind.
@@mrs.murphy2611 Yes! And to use discernment and wisdom.
Just saw this on my IG.. The Bible instructs us to defend what we believe. In one place it say's "Contend for the faith" in another, "...always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you." but how do we do that?
Starting next Wednesday, me and Preston will be covering the heart and mind of apologetics with the goal being to equip you to do what God has not only called you to do but also empowered you to do.
Some of the questions we will be answering are:
•What is apologetics?
•Do I have to be smart to be an apologist?
•How can I walk in truth and love when talking about the Bible with a non-believer?
•How can I grow in boldness?
We will also have an extended Q&A during both sessions for anyone wanting specific advice concerning their discipleship and evangelistic relationships.
You can't look for flawed people to fix you, a flawed person. Look to Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith.
These are questions believers should be able to answer, especially those leading the flock. Maybe this listening session is a statement on how we need to do better on discipleship. We have people in our buildings who don’t know why we meet on Sunday, wow
Yeah, too often there is one (dumb) answer to every question, "Just have faith."
Facts!
@@auh2o148 Right. People don’t realize that there is much proof that the Bible is the inspired Word. The biblical holds scientific foreknowledge that was written in scripture BEFORE man ever discovered it.
There are prophecies that have taken place in history that the scriptures had already foretold.
The Bible mentions that God formed man from the dirt & dust of the Earth. This has to be true because science proves that there are 28 base elements found in every human’s body... and that the same 28 elements are ALSO found in the ground of the Earth. This proves Genesis to be true...
Great Series. I hope anyone that is called to the Five-Fold Equipping Ministry is listening and learning and taking notes. I'm a Teacher and Prophet and this is the types of topics to discuss in small discipleship group. This is where can Teach people How to Read and Study the Bible not just give them the answers.
I'm listening, and answering, because when that peace treaty that President Trump has started, when it is confirmed, it will set the book of Revelation into full swing, and the church will go through that seven year period, as a time of testing our faith in Jesus.
I have 5 videos on CZcams under the title
Pt1 the pre wrath rapture and the third coming of Jesus
If anyone would care to discuss the book of Revelation, please call
334-379-0964 and if I don't answer please txt me a short message, and I will get back to you A.S.A.P.
Pastor Bill Verdell Pastor of Winds Of Change ministries in Ozark AL.
@@williamverdell8856 we pray for an awakening of the Saints. I've done an in-depth study of the Book of Revelations. Bad Leadership has always existed even in the Bible. Keep oil in your lamp and wick trimmed be ready for the return of CHRIST. As a Pastor have virtual studies with your flock and teach them how to read and Study the Bible for themselves.
@@williamverdell8856 no one knows when the rapture will happen. Stop it . Trump ain’t sign no peace treaty lol
@@theronwright1413 I know u may have been taught that no one knows when Jesus will return, and scripture says the same thing, but u probably have never been taught how the multitude of Revelation 7:9-14 was taken out of the earth, or when they were taken out of the earth to heaven.
Notice they are before the throne, where is Jesus throne, in heaven right?
Then in verse 14 they are identified as being the great tribulation believer's right? This is not the trumpet resurrection rapture.
Revelation 14:14-16 here is another rapture, but notice a sickle is used to gather this multitude out of the earth not a trumpet.
Revelation 14:17-20 another gathering takes place with another sickle, this second gathering of people is cast into the great winepress of the wrath of God, so these must be bad people in this second gathering, so who was it in the first gathering?
That's right it was the believers, like u and me.
Revelation 15:1-3 now that first gathering is identified, it was those who got the victory over the beast, his image, and his mark, this means they were on earth during the reign of the Antichrist, or the beast, but now they are in heaven on a sea of glass, and this sea of glass is in heaven, revelation 4:6 proves the sea of glass is in heaven before the throne of God, how did they get to heaven, did a trumpet sound? No a sickle was used, this was not the resurrection rapture, this was not the rapture that no man knows the day or hour of that rapture comes in Revelation chapter 16.
Revelation 16:1-2 after this multitude was taken out of the earth by using a sickle, not a trumpet, then God's wrath is poured out on those who worshipped the image of the beast and who took his mark, that's who the first bowl of God's wrath is poured out on Revelation 16:1-2.
Then in Revelation 16:15 as the wrath of God is about to end, we have the words behold I come as a thief, this is the coming that no man knows the day or hour of, not the two previous rapture comings I have shown u.
I would hope u would listen to my 5 videos on CZcams under the title
Pt1 the pre wrath rapture and the third coming of Jesus
I'm a man like any other man, but the Lord has blessed me to explain things of Revelation that others will not explain, and so when I say I believe the second coming of Jesus is in scripture, they think I'm talking about his secret coming, but I'm talking about his second coming, at the end of the seven year period, not his third coming which is at least three years and eleven months after the seven year period ends.
I hope this at least interest u enough to watch the videos and see how the Abraham peace accords is the peace treaty sponken of in Daniel 9:27 6 nation's are already on board, and more are waiting for the elections to be over, then more will quickly join, and when it reaches the covenant signed with many for one week (the one week is a seven year period) then it will be announced that the covenant has been confirmed, and on that day in conjunction with giving the Jews the right to rebuild their temple on the temple mount, the seven year period begins, and at the end of the seven year period Jesus comes, Jesus bless you, and I pray u watch the videos.
@@tracey1brave. I agree Tracey Brave, I have done, and am doing updates on Revelation on CZcams,
Pt1 the pre wrath rapture and the third coming of Jesus
5 videos on CZcams under this title, and also on Facebook under my wife's name Brenda Verdell from Ozark AL, thank u for the encouragement, and u do the same, and be strong in the Lord, and the power of his might amen.
Listening is a great apologetic tool.
Perhaps, believers listening to Sound Theological materials. Ligonier Ministry has a wealth of materials that address these key questions.
In addition, consider joining a Church that does proper Systematic Bible exposition. It took Pastor John MccArthur over 30 years to go through the New Testament only while it took 30 days for Steven Furtick at Elevation Church to cover the same scope. Who do you think benefited the most ?
Highly recommend for Christians to watch the two seasons of “Elephant Room”. One of the Favourite episode was “Preaching to Build Attendance v Preaching to Build Attendees”.
Well, yes those holidays are pagan. But in church, we choose to make Jesus the center of them all (at least in the churches I've been apart of) just like we do with every other area of life (working, parenting, etc.)
You can't make up some crap, try to put God in the middle of it, and then stamp it "ok"
@Keen Dietrich Pagan doesn't mean devil, it a term used to describe people who are polytheistic. It was a word created by the Romans to describe rural or country bumpkins who have yet converted to Christianity.
@Keen Dietrich huh?
@Keen Dietrich I don't know who lit a fire under your behind, but you need to go sit on a block of ice and chill out!
God has given us Holy Days (not holidays) which we are to celebrate throughout ALL your generations as a remembrance of Him and what he had done.
Our bible has so much information removed that many statement taught in church are in error and/or they chose not to obey
You must study God's word for yourself and get those other books too to get the COMPLETE understanding.
When I first read Genesis, I saw all the holes in these events. It didn't make sense. But God had me seek out other books mentioned in the bible and only then it began to make sense with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Many church leaders don't know these books and if they do, they chose not to read them. Why? Because they would have to admit they taught erroneous information to you. They would have to humble themselves. This will cause you to take the focus off of them and you will quickly learn to focus on the Lord. You will dethrone them and their palaces will exist no more.
The behavior in the church today is no different than the Pharisees and Sadduces of the past. And don't think they will be pleased that you decided to follow the Lord. Jesus said himself " if they are willing to kill the Master (Him), what do you think they would do to the Servant (you)?
How much of the word of God is taught in churches now? Very little if any at all. Hours of music, conventions, etc though.
Those that left the church are God's handpicked disciples (called out ones) that he is bringing back to Himself. Trust that this is what's happening.
Jason, what you said has too, been my deepest barrier in Christian faith.
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
@@imanimalaika7734 I truly believe that it would be more beneficial to those who you are responding to if you did not respond using scriptures they are already familiar with. I know that scripture, and it still does not enlighten my understanding concerning this matter. It offers zero insight but in fact, adds more shame in which further alienates me from God of the bible.
@@ashleyactress1 WoW... I be trying to say the same thing but it dont ever come off that smooth and professional.
@@ashleyactress1 I start with Scripture so people know I am not just offering my opinion. I appreciate others reminding me what Scripture says. We have many study helps available to us: commentaries, the concordance, and hermaneutics. Discipleship is a lifelong process of self-study and Bible teaching. There may be something you don't understand, but daily Bible reading & study has been of immense help to me. That Scriptre instructs us to study. I read through the entire Bible each year. I hope you do, too!
@@imanimalaika7734 And I understand that. I am respectfully saying that simply quoting a scripture especially in the absence of exegesis and hermeneutics renders entirely no insight to the listener. However, even with that, this scripture still does not even begin to provide an explanation or perspective for the bone of contention that people like Jason and myself have.
It's all about GOD it's a confession and believing & you shall be save thing Romans 10-9
Ima say this, and im not being negative or critical, because i have similar questions/ reasons...but i think she doesnt answer because those are great points being made and no one can answer those points except the hearts that made them..if that makes sence.
But this is a really dope show.
Yes indeed. And the point is not for her to answer at all.
This is very interesting topic and for me there are a lot of issues and the panel did discuss some of them but here's my reason I don't go: 1) the Sabbath on Saturday not Sunday.
2) the Pastor needs to find a job. I know this would eliminate 95% of the pastors. Look Jesus had a job (carpenter)
3)Tithing is not 10% of your pay check. You can tithe but not 10%
4) We celebrate to many pagan holidays instead of holy days.
5)We need to stop meeting in these physical churches and meet in a gym. This would eliminate church funds.
I know that's 5 shows but that's my reasons not to go
The brotha with the braids gives me Andre 3000 vibes lol
Haha definitely!
#Israelites
Exactly my answer! When you know who the people of the Book are you can answer a lot of these questions.
When is the next episode?
Become Catholic all questions will be answered Love your brother in Christ Mr Ernest T Bass
This is so fascinating I have so many questions! But it makes me realize or wonder are people afraid to ask questions or is it that people aren’t getting answers? I mean I understand the reaction to moral integrity Christianity sets a very high standard and no one is perfect so I get that. But the questions I’m always wondering about that.
Both.. I used to be scared to ask and then when i got my courage many of my questions would not get answered. I think this series is having people with light questions. These are christians who left the church but are still christians... Their questions are basic... I would be surprised if they put an x christian on the show with some heavier questions and scenarios
@@whatshatnin4572 I agree in your assessment of the people but from my own personal experience that’s how it starts for a lot of people. First they believe but have questions they don’t get answered they leave the church and eventually leave the faith, I’ve seen that happen in my church many times. Although I wish it I hope that their questions were answered because all of them were answerable. But I understand the point.
@@jman518192 You are correct.. Never thought of it that way but often times its a little doubt which causes one to later lose their faith. That is not how it happened with me but I do think thats how it normally happens
@@whatshatnin4572 yeah, I think these things happen in different ways for different people but think listening to questions and legitimately answering them is crucial.
So do you answer these questions or just leave them hanging?
I think Jason and I process things in the same way. I questioned the exact same thing. It's like a set up. If God knew what they were going to do, why put them in a situation to do exactly that? And now I'm a sinner because of it?
See these topics are all explored within fellowshipping Christians. Original Sin vs Eternal Judgement coupled with Gods Character (Calvinism, Arminian, Molinism), Elements of Pagan Christianity, Theodicy (How can God be good and allow sickness) etc… All these questions and topics are discussed within the context of church fellowship. Not fellowshipping allows each individual to come up with their own answers instead of the word of God coupled with the leadership of the Holy Spirit in Church leadership and submission
If I was sitting on this panel, I would have mentioned tithing.
If people really took the time to study true, biblical tithing, they'd realize that they are being lied to every Sunday.
I get the question about the Garden of Eden, but in our own lives we've failed to live up to God's standard (usually on a daily basis). It was a moment for God to display His grace to mankind for all creation to see. Adam blamed Eve for something he CHOSE to do. Eve admitted her transgression, that's why God chose to use her as an avenue for the Remedy! The Seed of the woman is a distinct term, because in procreation the seed comes from the man.
If u stopped telling people about the Lord u have changed the image, that Jesus gave u as a believer, according to Romans Chapter 1. To once again walk in faith, re establish Jesus in your mind, and heart, and repent, and return to your steadfastness in Jesus.
The things of life are coming after your faith, so place the image of God once again on the seat of your mind, and remember, everything in life, every challenge in life, is to see if u will remain faithful to Jesus, and if u do, in the end U win.
This is William (Bill) Verdell Pastor of Winds Of Change ministries in Ozark AL
Jesus bless.
Pastor, should we celebrate Christmas, and Halloween, etc ?what is the answer to the question the young lady asked.
@@antoinette6388 that's what Colossians 2:16 teaches, there is not a day u can not celebrate something on, but whatever u celebrate it must be unto the Lord.
If u celebrate Christmas, what u do must be unto the Lord, get rid of santa Claus, Jesus is the one who gives us all we have, make everything about Christmas about Jesus.
Halloween, the same thing, u can give kids candy, play games, do Godly things.
But get rid of the costumes of demons, and witches, and any thing that would lift up evil, and don't call it Halloween call it all hallows Eve.
Satan doesn't have a day, and for those who say do do anything on this day, that means u give Satan full reign on this to do evil, or represent evil to the world with no opposition of righteousness, and that's unexceptionable, we are to resist evil with good.
@ Jason if you want an answer to your question,I would love for you to meet my apostle, I guarantee he can clarify and give you the understanding you are looking for...he has some clips on CZcams...His name Paul Simmonds, trust me u won’t regret it
Does he have any proof that the snake spoke to the lady
That was deep question from my brother Jason. The Bible says who can know the thought of a man but the Spirit of man and I believe God share with me some understanding to his question. I just want to share with you all for those who of you that have a similar question. I hope brother Jason see it as well. I don’t expect to know all the answers and it somethings that we want know until we meet Him face to Face. However God has given us all a measure of Faith and I want to encourage you to not let anyone steal it from you. So with brother Jason question regarding the garden of eden the big answer I have to it is free will. God made man and women. And place them in the garden of eden, also place the serpent there. He did this so to bring about the concept of free will. Both good and evil had to be present to give the ability of choice. Also the first recording of the serpent speaking to human was to eve. No disrespect to you ladies lol. But who is to say that that Adam didn’t speak to the serpent first while God was present. Although He never leave us He always present but the Lord does test us. Adam was to protect Eve. He is the head of her. But instead He remain passive at the time. Jesus is a the better man and instead of being passive , He shall bruise the Head of the serpent and throw them into the Lake of Fire. God has a plan for evil to completely do away with it. Until then he choose to use it for his glory and will. Because He can cause all things to work together for the good of those who loves Him. Trust the Lord and be of good encourage.
I've always questioned what does the Bible say about black people with regards to the Canaanites and the descendents of Ham? Are blacks a "cursed" people?
According to the european authors who wrote the old testament yes we are cursed. But nature and reality says differently. The old testament is very anti african once you realize what you are looking at... Let give you an example... Based on facts there are SEVERAL flood stories written before noahs flood story was written.. Zeus got mad and killed mankind with a flood way before noahs flood.. Gilgamesh got a flood story that predates zeus flood story which predates noahs flood story.. But for some reason noahs flood story is the ONLY flood story that has a baby being born into slavery. Now all of these flood stories were originally written as myth.. They were never written to be historic but the newest flood story is supposed to be historic and it has an african baby being born into slavery. But what can you expect from a book you were introduced to by your slave master.
You are exactly right all those holidays are from pagan religions.
So basically a true disciple of Yeshua should never practice any of those pagan holidays. Just don't do it it's that easy.
"The greatest apologetic tool is listening." If you are listening to figure out how to convert, it's not really listening or relationship building.
The greatest apologetic tool is the gospel of Jesus Christ. Blessings!
“But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an ANSWER to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:”
1 Peter 3:15 KJV
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
@@imanimalaika7734 I’m not sure why you posted that verse. However, I posted mine because I’m not totally convinced of the power of just listening to people rant about why they don’t go to church. I am hoping that in the end she shares the truth with them. I know that she’s well capable of giving them an ANSWER.
@@ddt2425 I agree with Lisa that people need to be heard. I have found listening to people is a very important tool in evangelism and discipleship. It is helpful to know where people misunderstand in order to give a reasoned answer.
Whether the guest choose to go to church or forgo, they can learn of God from Holy Spirit. Especially since no human teaches another the kingdom of God, it is the spirit of God who empowers and speaks through the human portal. The recipient has to drawn by God to hear.
If thats the case then why did it take slave masters to introduce us to bible god.. Did bible god work through the slave masters for us eventually turn to god
@@whatshatnin4572 Hi, I'm not clear of your connection of slave masters to God. God uses whatever and whenever means he chooses to reach humanity. It a person is interested in learning of God, he will send a labor across your path. It is from portal > recipient (Spirit of God to spirit of human).
@@switchurnotions Well i assumed when you mention god you are talking about bible god. And if thats the case history says our introduction to bible god was through slave masters. If it wasnt for the european our people would have never known anything about bible god. So i ask you was the slave master sent from bible god for us to be able to use and benefit from bible god
@@whatshatnin4572 As I understand it, if you are referring to black people, Christian tenets was in Africa before reaching America, of course it was interpreted many times here in America from its original language. Back to my point, if you or anyone is interested in knowing God he will make sure understanding comes to you.
@@switchurnotions You are correct that christianity was in africa before it came here but that didnt have anything to do with us. Most of us can trace our dna back to west/central africa.. Christianity came to west/central africa in the mid 1400s with the slave masters being the original representation of jesus. And im wondering do christians feel that the slave master was divinely working on behalf of bible god by giving us our route to heaven..
Who told you god was a he.. What makes god a he. Does god have the same body parts as men do here on earth? What in nature says that the sun was created by a male or a he. No disrespect... Slow day at work and i be havin questions. Peace and Love.
That's what the shepherd for or a elder...
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
@@imanimalaika7734 just because we have knowledge, of something's, doesn't mean you have the spirit. You can teach anybody, what you have study, look up Stephen Darby, ( the spirit of offense).. be blessed for real..
Faith comes by hearing the Wird of God. It's a start.
@@thomasharris3814 Faith comes by hearing the Word of God. That is where knowledge & faith start. Paul had knowledge from Gamaliel but encountered Jesus Christ in a personal way.
I left when I actually read the Bible. Front to back. Back to front. I thought I was missing something, so I went into deep deep prayer/meditation and read it again. This book could not have been made from a perfect God. Then I researched biblical textual history which resulted in gaining the undeniable knowledge of the very human formation of these books. Once I lost the divine property of the books, I no longer had a reason to believe or believe in anyone who preached the "perfect word" narrative. This left me to find some more personal type of entity, I still thought God was there, but had no way to know that God. Then I had the realization that a God who refuses to be found is the same as a God who isn't there.
I went to a very very similar process. Read the bible cover to cover about 15 times and then life happened and it clicked that there is nothing divine about getting your god from man
@@whatshatnin4572 agree.... then I couldn't find proof of anything divine at all
First of all the adam and eve story is easy to understand the first error you made was saying you feel like feelings are subjective and can be influenced by lot of outside sources.
God didn't set us up for failure. He wanted to see if we were going to be obedient to what he said do that's why you have free will.
The devil tricked adam and eve into disobeying God which thereby cause God to be separated by from mankind.
Charles - Your answer is so spot on but the delivery could wound someone seeking truth. A soft answer turns away wrath.
Jason, man was born and shapened in iniquity! Thats in scripture if you read! Crystal you have the right to leave a church that is steeped in pagan traditions but don't leave THE church all together. Ms. Fields you need someone to rebute these questions on your platform.
Speak for yourself with that iniquity thang. Maybe you and yours was born in iniquity but me and mines weren't. Crystal needs to study the history of the church and how slavery was her introduction to this christian church.. And then she needs to ask herself is it possible to get a god from a devil.
Well the woman was suduced. And the most high didn't place him. Where does it say that
God did not place the devil there to influence them the devil came of his own free will to influence mankind.
Charles, everything that happens in life is God allowed or God ordained! Satan ONLY has power given to him by God!
To the person that was talking about sickness my responses is who are you the question God?
Questioning God can mean different things. Job questioned God. We try to question an infinite God with a finite mind.the soul is eternally more important than the body.
He’s God’s creation. Not born to be a robot. Born to ask questions. Dear beloved, please keep asking God questions, that’s what the Holy Spirit is here for. To never leave you comfortless
It wasn't the fruit it was the disobedient behavior
Man has free will, they chose to eat the fruit, they could have eaten from the tree of Life also, they chose not to.
God has a plan, it started with God alone, God was here by himself, and being God he realized, that even for him it was not good for him to be alone, so God started to create.
His started with his Son Jesus, then the Holy Ghost, then the angels, after this the days of creation, then man, and last, but not least, woman.
So in the plan of God he wanted a creation to be with him in eternity that would be there, because they chose to be there, and not because he forced them to be there.
He laid out a plan of salvation for all who desired it to lay hold on, so all that we are going through is a test to see if life situations will change us to follow him, or follow evil, both roads leading us to different eternal destinations.
We are all living out the challenge called life, so that when it's all said and done, The Father will have in eternity, everyone who willfully chose him, and his word, and so God will have with him everyone who chose to be with him in eternity forever, and he will not be alone, which was the plan all from the beginning.
I think that they should really take up a more in-depth study of the issues (i.e. Christmas, Easter, Sabbath, Adam & Eve, etc) with which they have struggled or have decided need a cogent answer from the church. For example, the reason the birth of Jesus the Christ was moved to December 25, on the heels of the winter solstice, was to mitigate Christian persecution by merging the Christian worship (the mass of Christ) with non-Christian sun worship. This is the same reason for moving the Sabbath to SUNday". It was Constantine's effort to protect Christians, who were facing genocide, by allowing Christian worship to occur during so-called pagan holy days. Constantine converged worship, as it were.
This is an interesting point. I thought we were not supposed to add to or take from the Word of God? Is that not what Constantine did? Doesn't the Bible also speak to the changing of times and seasons? The Bible also mentions mixing holy with the profane.
@@bbrochelle77 Fair question, friend. The Bible, as it currently exist, did not exist during Constantine's rule. Mixing holy with profane refers to temple ritualistic worship and mysticism. Constantine wasn't a priest. He was a politician. He made a political move to protect Christians by diffusing the Christian persecution in the Roman Empire. Consider this, Christmas is really about the mass or death of Christ which is usu a holy day during Passover around spring equinox. The Dec 25 was a time of "pagan" worship of the Sun. The Roman astrology and spiritual system believed that the Sun dies on December 21 or 22, winter solstice. It stays dead three days and rises again on Dec 25. That's why Christmas eve was important holy day to prepare for the "birth" of the "Sun". Constantine combined Christian observance of Christ's death (Christmas) during the pagan festival. Constantine made moves like this to mitigate and end Christian persecution. He himself converted to Christianity.
I have conversations like this with my children and their friends, and it is good to listen. However, I believe we should answer the questions as well. Especially your case. What if someone doesn't make it to the next episode. It would seems that the only way these young people will come back to church is if they can have church their way.
As I listened to the questions and concerns, in my opinion they were all easy answers. Before leaving their churches did they ask those questions of leadership? The garden was a place of life and obedience. Why we celebrate Christmas and Easter? That's easy.
We must study and speak the truth in love. But I do appreciate a good debate sometimes.
I was born in the south but raised in California.My family are southern Baptist,it was easier for me to separate from religion than them.The bible is used as a tool to keep you submissive.Proverbs is the only book in the bible that I like.You can read that and live a good Samaritan life.alot of those other books were added for purpose of entertainment,ego,and superiority.The bible is the only thing without evidence people take its word for.No signatures are needed,because your getting it in writing.....Just like the natives did.
It's not that sin was not in man until they ate the fruit, that was never even said. The KNOWLEDGE of these things was not in man until they ate the fruit. Once they did they had to be held accountable for all their actions from then till now. I say that God is outside of time and he saw all actions, all possibilies. All things that could be would be done. Even before He created man He knew what would happen and already had a solution in plan to save us from the problems we would cause. God is soverign all-mighty being and He can do as He wishes. And even in that He still chose to take time and make sure we would have a way out for our mistakes. That way of course being Jesus. So i dont think He set us of failure but we have to realize that from what we know God has never created any being without giving them choices. If that was the case Satan wouldnt even be a thing. He is a God who creates. Creation is His thing and He is a God who makes a way even in dark and bad times. So well that's my take on that~ I hope it makes sense to anyone
Is It me or did these people just talk about God without using a Single bible verse?
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Man that's deep. We just the faith based on purple not based on God and his word. The hilt spirit reminds us of the word and reveals truth. I pray they come to seek God and not man.❤
They are basically confuse by the teaching received in the past. The Scriptures are written in symbols and allegory to place your mind on GOD. The holidays are based on paganism which became part of our culture & traditions.A rebirth is needed. Study the scriptures of your faith .
(1)To the guy with the dread- that scripture is tell use don't be interment until marriage and form a union
(2) the light skin young lady- the Lord tell us their will be false prophet's, also the scripture says come to the Lord in prayer and he will give you understand, in the kjv Bible there's no holidays.
(3) when the Lord went from city to city village to village to preach the good word it was for us to see what we are going to experience in this world, the Lord set a foundation for for us but many heart wanted to do their own thing so he (Jesus) gave us our heart desires .the Lord knows our ways b4 we do and the Lord knew many was going to do the opposite, many things that Christians are doing today are done in the catholic church, there's no pop , women preaches etc in the Bible. Many went against the Lord but then asking questions or blaming him. The Lord gave us 11 commandments. Bottom line many went the opposite way from the Lord ways . The Lord is a good God he forgives the path to righteousnes is always open don't wait until you old to do so. (Blessings mean Love ,life ) Blessings don't mean material things. One Love walk good.
Ok let's deal with his question..the garden of Eden. Understand this first. The Man that was placed in the garden Was Not Human like we are, he was what we call immortal. He didn't have legs arms feet and hands like we do and Sin was Not in him. He was created strictly for the Worship of The Most High. He was like the Angels, and when he fell into Transgression, THAT is when he (and wife) became like US..carnal, fleshly humans. Eve was cursed with submission, and child bearing in pain. And because Adam was still responsible for Worship, the ground was cursed for 1500 yrs ( all the way to Noah's time) there is a ton of information I left out of this but if you really want to know the truth hit me back and I will help you to learn more
Do you have any primary sources to verify the garden of eden?
They say the old testament was inspired by god but before man wrote about eve eating the fruit man had already written about pandora letting evil out of the box.. Before man ever wrote about bible god getting mad and killing all men women and children with a flood, man had already written about zeus killing all of mankind with a flood because he was angry.. And before zeus flooded the world there was literature of the flood of gilgamesh because his gods were angry with mankind.. Before man had ever written about the garden of eden and the serpent, man had already written about the garden of hesperides and the giant snake.. Why is bible god inspiring man to write stories that have already been written?
Planet takeover?
The first speaker was good but in Genesis it shows that there were people there before Adam and Eve.
You cant have logical reasoning when it comes to God,,,,Our minds are finite,,,his mind is Infinite,,
Remember his ways are NOT our ways and his thoughts are Not our thoughts,,,
I dont think this clip is drawing anyone closer to God.
God has offered man the gift of wisdom and placed teachers in body of Christ along with the Holy Spirit. We can know some of God’s ways and many of his thoughts. If we couldn’t Jesus would have never shared his ways and thoughts with his disciples.
It’s good that these people are given a safe space to share their thoughts, feelings and objections to the traditions of men and the word of God as “they” know it. It allows “truth” to find them.
Think on the story of Nicodemus in John 3:4. When the word of God puzzled him, the physical “Word of God, Jesus” came to him with answers.
This is “your” opportunity to listen/hear the perplexity of someone with a heart let Nicodemus and do as Jesus did, answer his questions!!!!...
Matthew 12:8. Jesus said that HE was Lord of the Sabbath and greater than any Temple. Thus the Sabbath can be celebrated ANY day of the week.
1 Samuel 15:22. Adam & Eve were not given the mind of children but of thinking and reasoning adults. The test was of faith and obedience, that test has never ended this is the test every believe faces daily. But Jesus became our way of escape. As a child you may place the folk into the outlet due to a lack of understanding. But as an adult you understand the consequences and God loves you enough to “Still” give you freedom to choose.
-Death. It will come to “all” of us in one form or another. But, Christ said to be of good cheer for HE has overcome death. And we who are in him understand that we only die “once” and live for eternity with HIM.
So, Joseph was kidnapped by his brothers, thrown into a hole, got sold to Egypt by Arab scavengers, did 13 years in jail, never once questioned the validity or existence of God, wound up being 2nd in command in Egypt, saved the people that Christ came through.
What do y’all say when you read these stories?
“Why did God do Joseph like that?”
Your problem is not with church your problem is really with God!
My old church used to have those silly Halloween alternatives also.
I didn’t like it.
But my job was not to critique ignorant pastors (even though I did) it was to serve in the place God led me to.
Sabbath day arguments are juvenile.
Especially knowing that Jesus said “I am the Lord of the sabbath.”
And the story that accompanied that.
God placing prohibition in the garden? Never learned the meaning of that?
Why didn’t y’all find a church that agreed more with your understanding of biblical things?
You left church?
How does a Christian leave church ?
What about “ trust in the Lord, with all your heart, and lean not to your own understanding…”
Y’all are in direct violation of that scripture.
So you left the church because it didn’t line up with your understanding.
Which means you that you’re still in the “I don’t know stage”.
A dangerous place because without faith it is impossible to please God.