Were any Africans Christians before slavery? | Dr. David Daniels
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Yes and No. No, because slavery existed before Christianity (slavery is seen in both the Old Testament and the New Testament). But yes, because not only can we find African Christians in church history prior to the beginning of the Transatlantic slave trade, but we also find African Christians right in the pages of the New Testament.
European Slavery is NOT the same as biblical Slavery
European slavery is the most brutal slavery in history. The slavery in biblical times is not the same type of slavery held here in America.
Biblical Slavery was not orchestrated by racism either because for the most part EVERY one was BROWN/DARK skinned...
@@KelzBernard The most brutal slavery in history has always been when a person is enslaved by sin--living under the dominion of sin (being a slave of sin). “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free…Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed” (John 8:31-36).
@@robertmccollough8534 you’re willfully deflecting from the issue at hand. I’ll state it again, EUROPEAN SLAVERY IS THE MOST BRUTAL FORM OF SLAVERY IN HISTORY. The topic wasn’t simply about sin in general, but PARTICULAR GROSS SINS UNDER THE TITLE OF EUROPEAN SLAVERY. Rape, murder, kidnapping, torture, pillaging, thievery, etc. God will judge all sin, including the sin of the most brutal form of slavery in history.
I wrote a whole blog series on how Africans had been Christians since the first century. It was so interesting doing that research. And 2 of those early churches still are operating to this day in Egypt and Ethiopia.
Your people weren't Christians in the 1st century though. Black Christian apologist always dance around the fact. We not Ethiopian. Our introduction to christianity was through slavey
@@whatshatnin4572 I guess comprehension is lacking because I didn't say my people. I said Africans and I named the countries. The video is about whether Africans were Christians before slavery and they were.
@@VernettaRFreeney You right. You got me on that one. I jumped the gun. I apologize. Many times black folk in America think that just because white folks brought christianity to other African nations way before they enslaved our ancestors they begin to act like our introduction to christianity was NOT through slavery.. I assumed you had that same thought. I was wrong.. I see you with the little polite jab at my comprehension. If i could reply with somethin slick i would but i kaint so i aint.. Peace and Love
@@gkeith64 Man i stopped getting my history from books that have talking animals a looong time ago.. Now i get my history from books that have dates.. I think history books should have dates and not talking animals. The books that have talking animals are usually in the mythology or children's section
@@gkeith64 I have read the bible cover to cover numerous times with the mind of a believer.. No real key. But when i read the bible with a critical mind, i am unable to get out of genesis. I let the talking snake slide but i kaint get passed the 500 year old man building the boat. Now if I were to look at the bible as mythology then i could read the whole thing but if we claiming this book is historic then we trippin. None of the stuff in genesis happened. So reading genesis with the idea that this is supposed to be history has me feeling like i am being lied to when i read it.. But if its allegory, mythology and esoteric then that makes a lot more sense.
Is there a longer talk available? Does this gentleman have articles or books for follow up reading?
If you are asking questions about Christianity you need to start with the Bible! The 8th chapter of the book of Acts speaks of the Ethiopian eunuch who came to Jerusalem as part of queen Candice’s group and was converted to Christianity and baptized by Philip the Evangalist - this is prior to AD 100 for sure. So the answer to this question is simply yes there Christians of African decent on the continent prior to the start of the trans Atlantic slave trade
That book is corrupted
That's a lie
@@epbailey761 Said but not shown.
Prove it or stop repeating it.
Ummm this video isn't about asking questions about the Bible. It's a question about a historical event. For that, we look to history books...not the Bible.
@Before Slavery, check out " Christianity & Culture | The Bisrot Podcast w/ Dr. Vince Bantu.
Black scholar and Theologian but should you choose to refute his account, pass me up for debate because he has many videos on the subject. I'm busy learning and have no need to discuss it. Thanks!!!
Wow! You hear about occultic stuff Africans brought to the Americas but not this. Amazing!
PS
I knew of the Congolese.
Many slaves were also Muslim
The point is, the colonizers gave Africans Christianity. That means you’re still enslaved by their God!!! Why don’t black folk understand that?
Wait!! Where's the full interview??
Certain parts of Africa did practiced Judaism way before Christianity and Islam
The 7-day week was in place before the Eurapeans stepped ashore
The 7TY DAY of the week, in Ghana is referred to as DAY OF GOD, while the 1st day is entitled as day of the missionary
If these africans were christians, did they have a bible to read from? If so was it in their tribal language? So its referenced that a priest had written that the angolan slaves asked for eucharist and that they could read write. But this was not the majority of the slaves that came over because it has been documented that they were not allowed to worship the way they did back home. Even the native americans were made to convert to christianity. I respect what ever someone wants to do. Its not up to me to say what is wrong or right. I just dont believe that the "truth" has to be forced on anyone. I just have a lot of questions.
Ethiopians have The Kebber Negast the oldest Bible in Geez
@@elainelane1119 how old is that Bible & what were the Ethiopians practicing before Christianity?
This is incredible! Is the full interview available somewhere?
Incredible FALSE
@Peggy Nivens Or incredibly true. Have a blessed one.
So when did Africans accept the image of a White Jesus?
When Africa was introduced to Jesus by Europeans
FIRST!!!! WOW. .. FINALLY... this is great history to know.
The answer to the title is No😖 Because no one from African served the god of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob who is the god of the bible/christianity/ muslims/jews/Abrahamic religion (and Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are probably fictional characters) . Our ancestors were spiritual and did not care to know who Abraham's god was OR EVEN IF Abraham IS REAL (fictional character). So hell naww to the naw naw. Christianity was forced and manipulated our ancestors and manipulated from slavery and the KKK and still today.
Preach 💯
Why we all dont know and understand this?
Exactly
Dig more into history
@@angelinelegrand2414 what are you implying "dig more into history..."
My ancestors had nothing to do with a fictional character's god.
Why do we believe to this day what the gentile teach. We don't even know our history.
This is such good information!
So the Santeria (Yoruba/Ifa )in Brazil is distinctly different from Congolese confraternities? I love the using the African catholic patron saint names
This is totally false, where are his scriptures to reference this?
@@peggynivens7912 I was just saying that, the brain washing and love for the Rome white Catholic church is real...The early church fathers was not teaching Christianity. They were teaching a spiritual culture of Israel...the white gentiles in started calling them that but they called themselves that neither did Yahushua
@@muteehall Tell me the names of these early church fathers.. Do they have Latin names? Did they speak Greek? Who are these early church fathers that you speak of./
@Before Slavery, check out " Christianity & Culture | The Bisrot Podcast /Dr. Vince Bantu, a Black Scholar and Theologian and versed on the ancient African Christians.
If you choose to refute his account, pass me up for debate, because I'm too busy learning. Thanks!!!
Very nice historical summary.
terrible audio which is a shame, please do again if possible with better quality. this is important.
Can anyone tell me some reading material that explains what he’s saying? I would like to do further searching myself.
There’s nothing to read this guy is making this up. There’s no evidence that there was any Christianity in Western central Africa. I’m in story and I’ve never heard such a ridiculous claim. There was Christianity and Ethiopia African slaves brought to United States did not come from anywhere close to Ethiopia so they had not heard of Christianity until white. Europeans forced it on them. That’s the truth if you don’t believe me research it.
Also get pastor Eddie Hypolite to discuss Christianity in Africa before enslavement
I would love to read the sources. Great stuff
Yeah.. Me too. Love to see an African bible that predates the European colonizer of said African country
What is great about this missed information, people tend to believe anything, where are his scriptures?
What is great about this missed information, people tend to believe anything, where are his scriptures?
@Before Slavery, check out " Christianity & Culture | The Bisrot Podcast/Dr. Vince Bantu.
If you choose to refute this scholar's account, please pass me up for debate because I'm too busy learning. Thanks!!!
@@willielee5253 I'm good but thanks
Ethiopia was one of the first Christian nations
Dear African brothers and sisters, can anyone help me resolve the question of: were there any documented West African Christians before the Europeans came into the West, Central, and East Africa regions?
I would be very grateful if anyone has historically evidence of African people being Christians before the beginning of the first century AD.
Thank you kindly 🙏
Christianity was in Ethiopia but west Africans practiced traditional religions mainly honoring ancestors. West Africans didn’t become Christian until colonization and slave trade begun.
@@goldenboy._ Thank you for sharing this information. This is what the Elders have shared with me. We in West Africa didn't have any Christian religions until 500+/- years ago when the Europeans came into our lands.
Yes read about the Dongolians of their king Yry Karembes. Last of the Christian civilizations before conversion into Islam in Northern Africa.
@@jerrydukes2378 Thanks, I appreciate the information.
I would say to first focus on West Africa because that is where most of us come from. And then branch out to North and East Africa. One thing you can do to date when Christianity first entered a region to look at Christianity as an institution. We not focused on one or two individual West Africans who claim to be Christians.. We are looking for institution and with institution you will often times get buildings and literature.. In this case the buildings would be the churches and the literature would be the bible. Go throughout West Africa and look at their oldest Christian Churches.. Look for the West African Bibles. Date them and see what you find.. See how many Christian Churches in West Africa predate the Portuguese coming to West Africa.
Yes and no. In Eastern Africa along Ethiopia yes they converted to Christianity relatively early in their history. But in other places like West, Central, Southern Africa. No they had their own beliefs and spirituality before Christianity. For example the Yoruba had isese which focuses on worshipping the Orisha and ancestors. Christianity came to west,central, and Southern Africa by force and was used as a way to oppress them.
Judisim ,Islam was in Africa 🌍
This argument is flawed. Europeans where in west Africa since 1400 trading with Africans. Some European had kids with Africans. Of course some african converted to christianity who could have been sold in indenture statitude as they could speak European languages. Another flaw is that the present day congo and Angola didn't exist during that time so it is misleading to reference them as such.
They always present some intellectually dishonest info and other Black Christians who are looking for reasons to stay on the plantation just eat it up...
Christianity was in Africa before the 1400's: Proof is in one word -
ETHIOPIA
@@mtalk828 St. Frumentius
@Before Slavery, check out " Christianity & Culture | The Bisrot Podcast/ w Dr. Vince Bantu.
If you wish to refute this account, pass me up for debates because I'm too busy learning. Thanks!!!
@@willielee5253 What does early Christianity in Afrcia have to do with Black Folks in America. Most of us Black Folks in the Caribbean and in the States can trace our DNA back to West/Central Africa. The Ethiopian's introduction to Christianity dont have nothing to do with us..
We learned Christianity in English and in Spanish. There are no West/Central African Christian Churches are bibles before the European Christian slave masters.
Idk why Black Apologist always use this arguement. If us Black Folk in the Caribbean and in the States had such a rich history of Christianity, it wouldn't have taken us darn near 300 years to realize that Jesus was eas not white according to the bible. No people who really knew Christianity would ever accept a white jesus. The only reason why we accepted white jesus is because the White Christian slave masters who gave us jesus said that jesus was white. Here in the DR the Brothas still lookin at jesus as white.
Black Folk in America are English speaking Christians because our slave master was an English speaking Christian. Many of the Brothas in the DR are Spanish speaking Catholics because their slave master was a Spanish speaking Catholic. That fact has much more weight then someone romanticizing about early Christianity in Africa. .
Of course!!!!!!! Christianity in Africa began in Egypt in the middle of the 1st century which is at least 1500 years before the transatlantic slave trade.
By the end of the 2nd century it had reached the region around Carthage.
Important Africans who influenced the early development of Christianity include Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria, Origen of Alexandria, Cyprian, Athanasius and Augustine of Hippo.
This question is misleading and dishonest. Of course there were African Christians before slavery. But most of us come from west and central africa. There was ZERO christianity in west and central Africa before the slave master came... we not ethiopians and we not Egyptians. We as balck folk here in america was introduced to christianity by slave masters.
You mentioned several of the early african church fathers. All that you mentioned had greek names and were raised in Roman/greek provinces in africa. Can you name any Africans who were not raised in greek and roman strongholds and who did not speak latin and greek and who did not have greek and latin names that influence on the church? Because all the Africans you mentioned were taught by and in euroepan Christian institutions.
@@whatshatnin4572 The Congolese, who were Christians, are in fact west African. That’s us brother. I did a DNA test and I am a Black American with Congolese descent. Many of us are. There is also evidence of the worship of the God of the Bible among our Nigerian and Bantu ancestors. This is all true, and it all shows that our ancestors knew about and worshiped the true God who reigns today and will always reign.
@@whatshatnin4572 THank You So Much they. These Christians think there slick, we Black people ( and yes im AA) are NOT fromEthiopia
@@ritagomes9186 Yeah they be running from the truth.. I guess no one wants to admit that they got their god from elders and ancestors who got their god from the slave master. Its almost like they be trying to lie by accident just to sleep better at night.
@@whatshatnin4572 Dude with all honesty, you sound like a drowning man reaching for straws, in your determination to not yield to the truth.
Yes, Ethiopian were Christian before the west .
Yeah but the Ethiopian was introduced to christianity by Europeans just like every other African Nation
Of course, Please story Ethiopia, Sudan, Egypt North Africans all have a history of the faith
Even IF Africans were Christians before they came to America, again IF! How'd that work out for them! Sheep gonna stay sleep
How's islam working out for em???
@@tiwanstrong1413 facts
FRFR
@@tiwanstrong1413 Islam the religion of the Arabs that ENSLAVED Black people.
The first Slave Ship was named THE GOOD SHIP JESUS.
Please The Africans who wrote The Bible.
My Dad created me in my MaMa whose spirit is very much alive. Our MaMa's are NOT empty meat! "This is a MAnS world." Truth is coming to cut pride and ego!
wrong they worshiped orisha religion funny how they never mention the real religion tht was practiced back then and still is ppl in cuba practice a form of orisha religion sanitaria
So the slaves asked for communion and not asked to be free and returned to their home country.
I don't care where it started only thing I know is that it generates millions and the money doesn't help us back then and now.
Speak john palmer
You mean to tell me that ancient Africans were worshiping and idolizing Europeans long before ever encountering them?
Trying to watch then comment after...it's not working... wisdom and knowledge is not always easy to access.
Where are his scriptures to reference this theory? The enslaved people were the Israelites read Deut.
So maybe the one True God Yehovah was brought to the peoples of Africa long before slavery in America. That would mean that the majority of people of Africa would clearly have rejected the truth and came under the punishment of Deutoronomy as a nation. Same for the Native Americans ,the people of Mexico. Every nation has come under Judgment. You shall serve the Lord your God and him only shall you serve. America (babylon) is next.
Wow!!
Yes, there were Christians in Africa before slavery... Africans were Christians in Ethiopia as early as 300AD....And there is evidence of Mansa Musa having interacted with African Christians in western Africa as early as circa 1300...
Yes exactly!
Ethiopia was introduced to Christianity by St. Frumentius around 330 ACE.. You just give me the African nation and i will tell you the European Christian colonizer/missionary who introduced the Brothas to Christianity
@SOUL SafeProductuonZ, check out "Christianity & Culture | The Bisrot Podcast w/ Dr. Vince Bantu, he has the latest and most thorough account on the history by scholarship.
Sudan too was Christian in 500 AD , much before the Europeans .
They could have come from the caribbean because America was the last stop. Slaves arrived in Jamaica and Brazil as early as the 1500s. Weren't moors Muslim?
the ethiopian orthodox church which is oldest so Were any Africans Christians before slavery yes there were
Of course , there was the Byzantine Orthodox empire , Orthodoxy is the best religion for both whites and blacks , I suggest to black people to think about Orthodoxy and to come to the Orthodox truth instead to lose themselves in islam where they were seen by Muhammad as slaves just because of their skin color , we have Saint Moses of Ethiopia who was a black and he is a Saint in Orthodoxy.
Rome!
Who cares???!!! People were enslaved the the Bible was used to justify it. Exodus 21:20: “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property."
I agree slavery has been here too long.articles or documents can't stretch that far.we are gods to those 99% woke.look at your birth mark it means something.
Yea they were called the Israelites lol. Abraham, Issac and Jacob
2021 is the year we stop getting our history from books that have tallong animals
And these people were not Christians they were Israelites
@@peggynivens7912 christians are isrelites the new testament is a fufilment of the old testament their the same the old tstament was pointing to the new testament that was to come.
@@darrenquiah9813 Christianity is a religion israelites were law statues and commandments keepers
Hell NO
🔵 *Christianity is not a black slave religion. Christianity in Africa existed way before the American slave trade. You want evidence? Just take a look (for example) at the Ethiopian Orthodox Church !* ☝🏽
We not Ethiopians though.. This is not about Christianity and Africa.. Its more about Christianity and West and Central Africa. Maan if we knew about bible god before the European it would not have taken us as a nation of people 300 years to realize that Jesus was not white according to the bible.. We would have never accepted white jesus.. The only reason why we accepted white jesus is because the folks who gave us jesus was white
@@nickjones1314 - Did not Christianity migrated from Ethiopia to West Africa? I think you need to study more history.
@@mtalk828 Hell naw it didnt. There are no west African Christian Churches that were built prior to the Portuguese slave masters hit west Africa. Pope Nicholas around 1452 wrote the Dum Diversas which legalized Africans to be forced into baptisms, converted to Christianity and enslaved...
There is always a European colonization at the origin of the Africans introduction to Christianity
@Before Slavery, check out "Christianity & Culturec | The Bisrot Podcast w/ Dr. Vince Bantu.
If you choose to refute this please don't look me up for debates, I'm too busy learning.
These people don't wanna believe that Jesus is real....Think about it, if Jesus is so fake to you, why hate on him? Why would people hate on someone who died for the sins of humanity? Buddha and the Hindu gods don't get this much hate....that right there should tell you something.....People overseas are getting killed for preaching The Word...but it's whatever....most of these people will never understand or get it...They have a reprobated mindset.
Helllllll noooooo
I guess right is wrong & wrong is right if the Bible says so. Well if chid sacrifice is ok everything else is small potatoes. Better not catch you eating shellfish or pork.
He got to do better research. People you will BE-LIE-VE what you want. We was not , I repeat we was not of Christianity BE-LIE-F.
He really do need to do more research! The Yoruba faith predates christianity by 10, 000 years more. He is probably talking about after the missionary got there before they became enslaved. So this man is not going back far enough!!
Islam is the religion of Arabs not the Black man. We are Foundational Black Americans not racist Arabs
@Before Slavery, check out "Christianity &Culture | The Bisrot Podcast w/ Dr. Vince Bantu.
If you choose to refute his account, please pass me up for any debates because I'm too busy learning l. Thanks!!!
@@willielee5253 Do we truly comprehend that everything we BE-LIE-VE today is not the ORIGINAL way. What's wrong with us I ask you ? So many layers and layers of someone ideology concept be'-lie-f theory and terminology of what we are was and is. When in FACTS no one person KNOWS the real truth about anything. But one thing I do know without a doubt with no man book telling me and that is we was not Christian Muslim Baptist Jehovah Jews or Catholic. We was SPIRITUAL in the beginning and Weare still SPIRITUAL. Honor and Respect 🙏🏾
@@codybang6178 the God I believe in is Spirit and therefor Spiritual, and He is a man, Supernatural man and Eternal.
And He is a teacher, a guide and my support.
So, should I look for another, I think not, but, speak your mind as you choose.
I know in whom I believe and I know where I'm going. God bless you on your journey!!!
We were forced to this ridiculous nonsense and their teaching. What was our doctrine,?