I wish “religion” hadn’t become such a dirty word. There is a pure religion that the Bible speaks of. This is a great conversation to peek in on. I can relate to much of what’s being said even though I’m back in the church assembly.
This...at the core of the meaning of the word they are all very much religious. And being religious is very much contingent on their relationship with God.
The scriptures tell us to lean not to your own understanding and in all your ways acknowledge him, our small knowledge cannot compare to that of a Holy and all knowing and wise God, we must consult him on all things through the Holy Spirit. The disciples in the bible are (followers of Jesus) examples of this. God gave them direction vision and prayer it all goes back to Relationship in God.
What about- “not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.” Hebrews 10:25 NKJV
@@Endlesslove29 Please your Bible and seek a greater understanding of what the 'assembly' actually means. It definitely doesn't mean simply gathering in a building
@Petal Blossom I think we all know that the building is not the church, lockdown further proves that. Question for you? How do you gather with fellow christians? Is it random meetings or do you have a system in terms of growing with a certain group?
I wish they would have defined what they mean by “Christian” when they say they still are one. One guy said he’s Christlike but I would have loved to hear each of them unpack what exactly they mean by that.
The true elephant in the room is that people are disobedient no matter how good a church is most people at that table would probably still not go consistently.
@@sylvestersmart6615 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. Exodus 20:9-11 NIV
The 1 thing I'd say was missing in their answers is the conviction of Jesus Christ and his role in Christianity. We're Christians bc we believe Christ is the way to God. Thats what separates Christianity from all other religions and faiths.
I love these discussion; especially how everyone is relating, listening and encouraging one another in a way that isn't combative, condemning, judgemental and hateful. We have to allow people the freedom to be honest and share even if they're are wrong and trust the Holy Spirit to guide and reveal.
Just letting them believe things even if it's wrong, is not however the proper way to go.Without correction, then what's to stop them from straying further from the truth?? What's to stop them from spreading false teachings to others? This is too important to take lightly and what you believe matters!!
@@cochisecarter6298 of course you can direct them to the Truth of the WOG, however, it's in the approach, attitude, tone and motive. Be gentle and gracious and understanding. Not seeking to argue and debate or to prove something bit to reveal. I use the approach of asking the why you believe this and where did you get the information? Can you show me where it is in the WOG. Then I share here's what I believe and why and where I got the information by showing them in the Word of GOD. We can't shove it down their throats nor force it upon them. We have to Pray and listen to the Holy Spirit for direction. It is the Holy Spirit who guides and leads them into the Truth. HE is the one who reveals. Not us. Blessings!
She is but she's applying it something most Christians have a difficult time doing: James 1:19 19 My dear brothers and sisters,take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry,
Love this topic! I can definitely relate. I wanted to get away from the term "Christian" and "religious", but that was due to negative connotations these words carry. But I came to the realization, that being a Christian is simply how I identify myself as. It doesn't have to be negative. Being a Christian means you identify with who Jesus is, that you believe the Bible is true. As long as you stick with that being your truth, there's nothing wrong with identifying as a Christian.
@@rodb66 Sunday Morning Disco and Foolishness. Nothing to do with Jesus Christ and his Gospel at all. Church going "Christians" are hopelessly lost and deceived.
Yeah,this "God made us in his image" thing and that we have those same attributes I'm like huh????? LOL it's more like we should be making our decisions based on our faith in God and what he's revealed to us about him in and through his word!! We should absolutely not be making descions according to how we feel.
Yes, so good to hear people just be honest and I SO appreciate this series because I'm currently not going either. Seems like much Christian lingo is being redefined these days, we could have heard four different definitions of what "Christian" means from each of these guests. Identifying as a Christian is not the same as Christ knowing you, just like going to church doesn't necessarily mean you are in communion with other believers. (Matt.7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’)
I think that the issue of going to church is feeling alienated or an abuse of power/lack of love by church folk. I have struggled with dealing with going to church and feeling somewhat alienated. I do believe that we should have a church home but it has become either so political or uneven that it is a turn off to attend. I am just speaking from my own experience.
Shalom beautiful people of The Most High God and many blessings to you and your beautiful families. I commend you all for having discussions like these. I find them to be very thought provoking and they do shed even more light on why people leave the Church. I have had my own share of bad experiences with churches and ministries. I have been in unhealthy environments that mocked this life in Christ. So I understand why there are people who have walked away from The Church or have stopped going to church altogether. The title "Christian" has been under a bad spotlight because there are those who do not understand the weight that this word carries. To be a Christian is to be "one who is anointed." This word is connected to sovereignty. So in order for any born again believer to be "Christ like" it requires the anointing, which also means the believer must have The Holy Spirit. Because this is a life that is built on eternity. To be Christ like or to be a Christian is to eat, sleep, and live eternity. We are born to live, move, and flow from this realm. And when we are not taught correctly what this life consist of, it ends up being mishandled and dishonored greatly by people who teach from a place of religion and not relationship. And if I can say this to you all, please embrace your bad experiences with church, religion, religious people, and with unhealthy ministerial environments because The LORD uses those very experiences to teach, train, refine, and cultivate believers who are exposed to such challenges. The LORD uses those experiences to help believers bring forth the oil, the anointing and He also uses such experiences to help build believers to be instruments of redemption for others who may get exposed to similar unhealthy experiences. So sometimes when believers are in unhealthy challenges and environments that contradict the true purpose of ministry and servanthood, The LORD just may be using that very environment to process the believer so he or she can be a light in that darkness. So it does bother me deeply and even angers me to the core when there are people who use church environments inappropriately and in an unintegral fashion, because the church is purposed for training and equipping us on how to live and exist in this particular sovereign image. It is for the purpose of helping us learn how to express the original habitat we are created to live life from which is eternity and Heaven. So yes, it makes me upset when I hear people either leaving the faith or even just leaving church because of bad and unhealthy experiences in churches and ministries. That exposes the countless number of people who are being robbed and have been robbed of pure freedom, deliverance, and true transformation and restoration. And woe unto those who have blood on their hands for this very reason. It is a shame that there are those who found the time to play games with God and with God's people and purposely chose to ignore the hunger many have for the truth. And I do want to say that I am sorry that you all had to experience unhealthy situations in ministerial environments but The LORD already knew how He would use such situations to unveil His glory through your lives.
It's great that you emphasize listening. But for those who are hungry, they need answers. We can not edify/feed the spiritual needy without answers the answers that the church doesn't provide. Thus the mass exodus!
@@MrAntiOrdinary I believe we already know the question. The question is why are people deciding to leave the church. The people on the panel are telling you why. They also are giving us somewhat of an answer as to why. The church is full of hypocrisy at best. We are taught to believe, trust and follow after doctrine at closer and deeper searching doesn't line up with the words written in the book. So in listening to them the answer is manifested. We just have to be able to except it. Our fathers have taught us LIES. If God doesn't change than what did Jesus change. If we seek the scriptures enough we will see how the NT is just the fulfillment of the OT or to be more correct an extension. (NT is not scripture it is letters containing scripture) And what God requires has not changed. But the church will have you believe all has been done away with. Nailed to the cross...LIES...The rabbit hole is deep, full of twists and turns. (We may never know the full Truth. But when we are lead to question reality then the Truth stands waiting for us to open the door )
It's amazing how people can point out Church hypocrisy but they never talk about their own hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is not exclusive to the church it's an All Too Human thing.
@@codeblood2000 well I wonder where they learned it from. Your comment only shines a light on the main problem. Churches don't obey God if they did they wouldn't teach people that God has changed the commandments and they were nailed to the cross. So how do you expect them to lead people to complete obedience. (I know jumpin and shoutin and running around the church like their hair on fire). ( Or name it and claim it) (so-called FAITH ). If Jesus died for your sins, (my question is what is sin) and has the definition of sin changed and if not then somebody is Lying!
If you truly love someone you can’t leave them in their error/confusion. I hope Jude3, are taking these people aside and proclaiming the true Gospel to them so that their hearts are made new by the Holy Spirit. These people are functional unbelievers that want to shape a god of their own imagination. They can’t hold these thoughts while at the same time reading scripture. Which leads me to believe they have neglected a true relationship with Jesus.
I'm enjoying these conversations it's good to ask these kinds of questions about church and get some honest answers on some very good topic keep it coming it's interesting
WARNING: Chosen people of Yaweh. This is not the hour to be dabbling in and exploring other religions. The Church Age is soon to end. Jesus has told you he is Way the Truth and the Life. "Enough" with the Christian and Disciple titles. Jesus is coming back for Overcomers. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony. It's time to graduate from these titles of Christians and Disciples and become Overcomers.
If YOUR wisdom doesn't line up with the WORD of GOD, it is NOT of God. The reason there are soooo many differing views is BECAUSE everyone is following their own heart and intuition. Test every Spirit, the heart is wicked above all things, humble yourself!
God bless you guys, Grace and Peace. I’m barely stumbling upon you guys’ ministry and I would like to know where I can find however many videos there are with guests Flame and Da T.R.U.T.H. Thanks.
Hmmm Very interesting... So I'm interested in going through something like this with our youth and young adults! I appreciate the conversations, and honest answers. I'm praying for them
Enjoyed listening to this convo.. also would be nice for the host to have a response that addresses some things in a loving way like for example... no1 on the panel mentioned the Holy Spirit.. they said "spiritual"and said "wisdom".. i left the institutional church as well during covid last year and believe I've had way more clarity and I'm able to study the word with other believers and pray with others in a smaller group which is great. Leaving can be a lonely road so imo if you've left you should seek genuine, Godly fellowship elsewhere or start one!
I wish we had a separate word for "church" meaning body of Christ and "church" meaning building where you go to on Sunday, and "church" the organization of religion.
@@LightSeekers777 Jesus fulfilled the law. So it’s not necessary for us to keep the same day. However the scriptures in the New Testament do support Sabbath rest.
@@christopherbarr3385 I used to think this too, because it's what the churches teach. REBELLION against GOD'S LAWS is the Great DECEPTION. Jesus tells people over and over to keep God's laws, and He rebukes the Pharisees over and over for not keeping God's laws.
@@LightSeekers777 he didnt rebuke them for not following the law. He rebuked them for their hypocrisy and their heart posture when doing the things of the law. Also if we look at what Paul was telling Peter about how circumcision is not necessary it follows the same. That was for the Jews. The law was made up of two types of law: Moral law which is outstanding all of time ex. 10 commandments and also Moral legislation which God was using to help Israel differentiate itself from the canaanites such as don’t sacrifice your children and such and to be upheld as the law for the theocracy of Israel.
@@christopherbarr3385 That is man made theology and not Biblical. Jesus said My DOCTRINE is not My own, but His who sent Me. God doesn't change. Jesus endorsed EVERYTHING of God. They are ONE, echad.
Carnal Christians follow their FLESH, SPIRIT filled Christians follow and submit to the LAWS of God. "...those in the FLESH can not please God." Why??? "Because the mind set on the FLESH is hostile to God; for it DOES NOT SUBJECT itself to the LAW of God."
I don't know where to put myself. I am not religious anymore nor spiritual: I believe God exists but I don't want to have a relationship with Him because I'm dissapointed and dissatisfied in Him.
The image that we are made in of God are 3 parts Body Soul and Spirit, just like he is God the Son and Holy Spirit. Our knowledge and our thoughts and our ways dont compare he is The One and most High God. We dont share those attributes with him.
Enjoying these videos but don’t understand why the beginning and end of every video is (or seems) copied and pasted. Not sure the purpose of that. But great discussion and video otherwise.
Thanks for the content...it seems none of these opinions are anything new same old issues that have been addressed for thousands of yearsod church history...I wonder how deeply these and so many others have interacted with the fundamentals of Christian doctrine.. perhaps even beginning with much of the content on your channel...
These people are respectful all over the place, where do we start Matthew 7:20 by there fruits you shall know them...? They have not offered one scripture to back their position. Try this "He who isolates himself pursues selfish desires; he rebels against all sound judgment" - Proverbs 18:1
What do your panel say about Hebrews 10:25 if they say they are Christians but don’t go to church! We are the Church but we still should go to assemble with other believers! I would like to hear their answer to this question? Read Romans 10:14. Thank you! I will be looking to hear you address theses two scriptures!
My question to them is do they believe the Bible....when it says do not forsake the assembly....I understand that the congregation that they went to were not fit for them but were they called to follow fellow believers or was they called to follow Christ.....are we not to love the body of Christ since they are (if they truly are his) also part of that same body due to Christ gave his life for it.....it seems to me they are following man versus following Christ. Jesus said “by this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” And what is that love “bear one another and forgive one another if any of you have grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.” I’m not saying to sweep these congregation mishaps toward the victims under the rug or disregard our own emotions and or ignoring our boundaries we forgive their sin by acknowledging it and the extending the forgives God given to us to them. Find a congregation and get planted and rooted in good teaching, and stop this pointing cause the world is watching and seeing this also further them away from the truth of the gospel.
There is a transition going on right now... Many people are no longer aiming to believe. Now people want to know. People are getting tired of being lied to and being told what to believe... Folks are leaving belief behind as much as possible and trying to know what is possible to be known.
@@DJ-uc8mk I understand I also was lied to by the prosperity gospel that my old church that I attended but when I realized it I got closer to God through the scriptures and through his grace because I still sought him I found a healthy congregation where the truth is preached. I appreciate the talk but I think they should extend forgiveness of that that Christ gave to them and find a healthy church. Thanks for the videos
@@nickjones1314 , I agree to an extent. I think it is good to ask questions. In my opinion, It’s more that they seem afraid to stand up for for Christ because of cultural pressure.
@@MrWood-qd6kr To be more accurate man never said that god said that we cant ask questions. We have to trust that man is capable and qualified to speak/write for god... But the men in the bible are the middleman between us and god because the bible is where to get info from god.
Proverbs 3: “5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean *NOT* on *YOUR OWN* understanding; 6 In *ALL* your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths. 7 Do not be wise in your own eyes; Fear the Lord and depart from evil. 8 It will be health to your flesh, And strength to your bones.”
As a child when you know you're doing something wrong before you step foot in the church that's because the Lord had stood on your hearts it's already in your soul right and wrong.
Your soul and spirit was part of you when you were born. You had to learn about the lord from man. There is nothing divine about being introduced to a god by man
I wonder if the real problem is the lack of discipleship. As you go make disciples not converts. Who is teaching people in the body/church/bride how to grow how to find answers? Clearly no one! 💔
This conversion is teetering on the line of following Christ and trying to become Christ, two very different things. The only reason to leave a church is solely based on the prophet of the church. Is he of God or not ?
I'm not a Christian. I'm a Believer!!! Being A Christian is Like a Being apart of a Group. Like a Fraternity or Sorority. I'm not that. I Believe in God's Word & I'm Free!!! I don't have to go to others, when the Holy Spirit Speaks to Me!!! I will go back to Church & just be a Light, in the Congregation. My Call Of God, is listening to Everyday People... I LISTEN to what they're saying. I met 2 sisters, whose Aunt died from a Heart Attack, yesterday. The Holy Spirit showed me how to be COMPASSIONATE!!! I had to Encourage them!!! They came back to me & asked me, what I thought about the Outfit? I went back to see the other Outfit, & told them that they Chose the Right One!!! My Mission in Life, Is to Win People!!! If the Holy Spirit wasn't in my life, I wouldn't have known what to say. I give GOD, ALL THE GLORY!!! I'M FREE!!!
Yes indeed you are a believer... These people on the video are transitioning from being a believer to being a knower.. They are asking questions with the intent to know and not just believe. Interesting times
Great conversation! I highly recommend a booked call “The End of Religion” by Bruxy Cavey deals with a lot of the same topics most of us wrestle with when it comes to defining what religion, faith, grace and how Jesus realigns our vision and supersedes religion.
I’m just trying to figure out when she’s going to bring scripture to bear on the conversation and tell them the truth... that’s not loving to hide the truth that will set them free. I hope she’s preaching the actual Gospel to them off camera
I think the problem is we are calling followers of Jesus Christians and not what Jesus called us, disciples. Being a Christian is too much pressure. I am not a Christian, I am a disciple of Jesus Christ.
@@DJ-uc8mk Great point. We don't have any direct writings of Washington but people believe he existed. We can't see the wind but we notice its effects. Christianity, unlike any other religion, is based on faith. Muslims, JW, Bahai, Catholics, Gnostics, etc., all require knowledge. Being a disciple of Jesus is so simple that it is hard. It is hard to believe in someone you've never met, it's expecially hard when we see so many of his "followers" acting crazy and like lunatics. There are some true believers who have accepted all of what we believe by faith. Our faith, however, isn't simply blind. There is documented proof of Jesus' existence. There is proof in the Bible but also in historical writings. Check out the Bible museum in DC, you'd be amazed at what you will find. Yes, I have faith, but my faith is more real than the computer I am typing on (Hebrews 11:1). Much success in your journey my friend.
@@destinynj I dont understand why you so quick to defend the existence of jesus. I never questioned the existence of jesus.. The consensus says that jesus existed... I'm questioning the literature.. Based on the facts we have no literature from jesus nor do we have any literature about jesus composed during the time of jesus... The oldest gospels are in greek written decades after the life of jesus... Jesus never spoke greek. The names mat mark luke and john were attributed to the gospels about 200 years after the gospels were written... The gospels are pseudepigrapha... They are literature created by anonymous authors... So how can you follow jesus when all the literature we have of jesus comes from the minds of other people that we do not know of.. These people never or seen jesus? We can never honestly say "Jesus said . . . because we have no literature from jesus.. We can say "Paul said . . ".. We can say that a lot but we can never honestly quote jesus.. He never speaks for himself. Its foolish to believe in something you dont understand.. Its foolish to marry someone without dating and getting to know them first.. It is foolish to hire someone without giving them an interview first.. Being how our people were introduced to this religion, it would be wise for us to verify all the things we were taught from our oppressor.
@@DJ-uc8mk Hmmm...the pseudepigrapha are the non-canonical books that were not accepted as apart of the canon. If you look at the writing of 40 different people over a span of 1400 years you will find a consistency in prophecy and in actuality. Here is a question: What would a writer in 70AD have to gain from writing something that related to something written in 200 or 100 BCE. I think you suggest some great questions. Are you open to connecting via phone or zoom? It's hard to really connect with a person in this medium? Find me at @Convergechurch right here on CZcams. I'd love to chat, just not in venue. As I said in my sermon today, " Nobody every came to Jesus because they lost an argument!"
@@destinynj LOL... I dont mind losing an argument.. I just got several questions.. What time is a good time is good for you. idk much about the prophecies nor am i really concerned about them Most of my questions come from one bible book at a time. Most of my questions deal with genesis but i still dont know how one could follow jesus if we have no literature from jesus or the time of jesus
No one is questioning bible god on this episode.. The brotha pointed out that we know right from before any human gives us a god or a church. When these youngstas talk about being spiritual they going beyond bible god. They are in a transition and they will soon realize if man or if the slave master never gave you bible god, you would still have your innate ability to know right from wrong without ever having man tell you about bible god. That has nothing to do with jesus moses or Abe. Those are just characters playing the middle man between what is already given to you from your creator. This conversation had nothing to do with bible god.
I would go back to church also if the church operated like it is supposed to operate. Not now. It is so out of alignment with God that there is going to have to be a bunch of house cleaning before I go back.
Y'all be careful with asking too many questions, that's what the devil used to bring about the fall. There is a way to ask questions with a desire to gain answers and dig deeper into God. And then there is a way to pose a question that casts doubt and confusion.
Tell me you can't defend your beliefs without telling me you can't defend your beliefs. Everyone here is forgetting that those that come into faith are on the outside looking in. They don't have to believe anything. They're simply curious. You're trying to approach faith in god like everyone is already on the same page as you. And even then you're walk with god and how you interpret the word will contradict anothers view and walk. If you want people on the outside to understand you gotta speak their language. If you can't answer difficult questions they just gonna feel finessed. If the too many questions being asked casts doubt and confusion perhaps the faith you stand on has a pretty weak foundation.
@@nickjones1314 "Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own LUSTS, and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue just as they were from the beginning of creation."... And basically it goes on to say you don't understand His WORD and His JUDGEMENT to come..... But how about that, He wrote about you scoffing?!
@@nickjones1314 But if that wicked servant says to himself, "My Master is delayed...." I wouldn't be caught living for yourself, God already warned He will come like a thief in the night.
The faith started with Abraham. It's an Israelite faith. Jesus came and further defined the faith. The Ecclesia began at Jerusalem without Roman influence. The faith was not called Christianity. The pagans met at Nicea and started Christianity. Nicea was not the city chosen by Yahwah to place His name there. He chose Jerusalem. What happened at Nicea is, the pagans made an alternative religion. Christianity is full of paganisms. It would offend some people if I would name them. Easier, which is Eostre, or Ishtar. And there is a long historical story concerning this, you can research for yourself. Christmas, which is Mithas. It celebrates the sun and Nimrod. Nimrod was born on December 25th. In places in Europe, it was in still is celebrated as Yule Tide. And the Christmas tree has nothing to do with Jesus. The Pope violated the Fourth Commandment. He got rid of observing the seventh day Sabbath. He moved it out of the way and replaced it with the Day of the Sun, Sun's Day, observed on the first day. They got rid of biblical law. Christianity is not the biblical faith and we reject it. We have come to know through an abundance of proofs that we are Israelites. We embrace all of the Bible and reject paganisms. It's happening now in end of the last days, after two thousand years in accordance with Hosea 6:1 and 2. Our revival has begun. Also see Deuteronomy 4:27-31. We are exploding and you don't even know we are in the world. Biblical prophecies describe our journey down through time. Gentiles are coming to us and joining themselves unto us. The powers of Mark chapter 16 and 1 Corinthians chapters 12, 13 and 14 are upon us. We are Straitway Ministry. We are the beginning of the restoration of Israel in the hands of the Most High. We are not a religion, we are a nation. Our life worships Jesus. We assemble and He is in our midst. We serve one another out of love. Look us up and learn about us. We are Straitway Ministry. Our faith is biblical. We have music for you to enjoy at Straitway Music.
Rhett and Link of good mythical morning have a good podcast on this ..they used to be evangelical Baptists. I think the video is called My deconstruction story or something
"I'm a christian but im not religious". Thats impossible. I used to say the same thing when i was on my way out. They using words like god conscious.. smh they on they way out. The young lady say she always gone ask questions... smh and she study tooo.... OH she definitely on her way out.
@@marjoredixon3846 It probably has its demonic aspect to it.. But it cant be more demonic than christianity. I dont think any new age folks used their literature to enslave a whole continent. And whats more demonic than slavery? I think almost all things have their good side and bad side to it... You can learn how to invest on the internet or you can watch porn all day... or both.. You can use the bible to love thy neighbor or to enslave your neighbor. Choice is on the human
I wish “religion” hadn’t become such a dirty word. There is a pure religion that the Bible speaks of. This is a great conversation to peek in on. I can relate to much of what’s being said even though I’m back in the church assembly.
This...at the core of the meaning of the word they are all very much religious. And being religious is very much contingent on their relationship with God.
The scriptures tell us to lean not to your own understanding and in all your ways acknowledge him, our small knowledge cannot compare to that of a Holy and all knowing and wise God, we must consult him on all things through the Holy Spirit. The disciples in the bible are (followers of Jesus) examples of this. God gave them direction vision and prayer it all goes back to Relationship in God.
Beautifully said. Yeah I heard that and I was like yes God give discernment but we should always come to Him with everything. That’s scripture
What if God has put the understanding within you? Do we ignore God? No, I don't think so.
These type of discussions are needed in our communities.
Thank you Lisa, guests, Jude 3 and everyone who is a part of this project. ❤️🙏🏾
I stop going to church since 2012, and consider myself a disciple of Jesus Christ not a christian. John 13:34-35. Thank you for this video.
What about- “not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.”
Hebrews 10:25 NKJV
@@Endlesslove29 Please your Bible and seek a greater understanding of what the 'assembly' actually means. It definitely doesn't mean simply gathering in a building
@Petal Blossom I think we all know that the building is not the church, lockdown further proves that. Question for you? How do you gather with fellow christians? Is it random meetings or do you have a system in terms of growing with a certain group?
Same! I use the word disciple or student of Christ.
I wish they would have defined what they mean by “Christian” when they say they still are one. One guy said he’s Christlike but I would have loved to hear each of them unpack what exactly they mean by that.
I really honestly wish this was much longer and that more questions were asked of the guest speakers.
The elephant in the room is Organizational dogmas and leadership
I totally agree!
That's it...plain and simple.
The true elephant in the room is that people are disobedient no matter how good a church is most people at that table would probably still not go consistently.
@@codeblood2000 where in the Bible does it say to go to church every Sunday
@@sylvestersmart6615 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
Exodus 20:9-11 NIV
When Crystal was talking about how she felt like she had to believe what she was telling people about I was like 🙌🏽🙌🏽
The 1 thing I'd say was missing in their answers is the conviction of Jesus Christ and his role in Christianity. We're Christians bc we believe Christ is the way to God. Thats what separates Christianity from all other religions and faiths.
That's it it seems like they're honouring him with their lips but their hearts are far from him.
Because respectfully that's your answer not theirs
I love Jude 3 Project! Please get plugged in, this is much needed!
I love these discussion; especially how everyone is relating, listening and encouraging one another in a way that isn't combative, condemning, judgemental and hateful. We have to allow people the freedom to be honest and share even if they're are wrong and trust the Holy Spirit to guide and reveal.
Just letting them believe things even if it's wrong, is not however the proper way to go.Without correction, then what's to stop them from straying further from the truth?? What's to stop them from spreading false teachings to others? This is too important to take lightly and what you believe matters!!
@@cochisecarter6298 of course you can direct them to the Truth of the WOG, however, it's in the approach, attitude, tone and motive. Be gentle and gracious and understanding. Not seeking to argue and debate or to prove something bit to reveal. I use the approach of asking the why you believe this and where did you get the information? Can you show me where it is in the WOG. Then I share here's what I believe and why and where I got the information by showing them in the Word of GOD. We can't shove it down their throats nor force it upon them. We have to Pray and listen to the Holy Spirit for direction. It is the Holy Spirit who guides and leads them into the Truth. HE is the one who reveals. Not us. Blessings!
The Scripture needs to be at the centre of these conversations
I agree. Evangelism without the word of God is fruitless. There must be a foundation for the people rest their faith.
She is but she's applying it something most Christians have a difficult time doing: James 1:19
19 My dear brothers and sisters,take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry,
Yep, I initially thought I was Spiritual when I left the church. Now I understand what being a Christian means even without a church home.
Love this topic! I can definitely relate. I wanted to get away from the term "Christian" and "religious", but that was due to negative connotations these words carry. But I came to the realization, that being a Christian is simply how I identify myself as. It doesn't have to be negative. Being a Christian means you identify with who Jesus is, that you believe the Bible is true. As long as you stick with that being your truth, there's nothing wrong with identifying as a Christian.
I agree with Shea. The Church is the best place for a Christian to lose their faith. God bless you all and keep these convos coming. Shalom🙏🏾✝️
Say that again. Every time attended church it seems like my connection to God became weak. Church seems to be all about church.
@@rodb66 Sunday Morning Disco and Foolishness. Nothing to do with Jesus Christ and his Gospel at all. Church going "Christians" are hopelessly lost and deceived.
@@stephengilchrist3790 Thank you. They also think that they're more connected to God than non church goer's.
@@rodb66 Yeah. Key word.... "THINK"
When a person tells you that their spiritual now. What they're actually saying is they are the god of their own religion
Yeah,this "God made us in his image" thing and that we have those same attributes I'm like huh????? LOL it's more like we should be making our decisions based on our faith in God and what he's revealed to us about him in and through his word!! We should absolutely not be making descions according to how we feel.
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No gray area there.
Yes, so good to hear people just be honest and I SO appreciate this series because I'm currently not going either. Seems like much Christian lingo is being redefined these days, we could have heard four different definitions of what "Christian" means from each of these guests. Identifying as a Christian is not the same as Christ knowing you, just like going to church doesn't necessarily mean you are in communion with other believers. (Matt.7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’)
I think that the issue of going to church is feeling alienated or an abuse of power/lack of love by church folk. I have struggled with dealing with going to church and feeling somewhat alienated. I do believe that we should have a church home but it has become either so political or uneven that it is a turn off to attend. I am just speaking from my own experience.
Great convo. I wish it was longer but still great overall.
Shalom beautiful people of The Most High God and many blessings to you and your beautiful families.
I commend you all for having discussions like these. I find them to be very thought provoking and they do shed even more light on why people leave the Church.
I have had my own share of bad experiences with churches and ministries. I have been in unhealthy environments that mocked this life in Christ. So I understand why there are people who have walked away from The Church or have stopped going to church altogether.
The title "Christian" has been under a bad spotlight because there are those who do not understand the weight that this word carries. To be a Christian is to be "one who is anointed." This word is connected to sovereignty. So in order for any born again believer to be "Christ like" it requires the anointing, which also means the believer must have The Holy Spirit. Because this is a life that is built on eternity. To be Christ like or to be a Christian is to eat, sleep, and live eternity. We are born to live, move, and flow from this realm.
And when we are not taught correctly what this life consist of, it ends up being mishandled and dishonored greatly by people who teach from a place of religion and not relationship.
And if I can say this to you all, please embrace your bad experiences with church, religion, religious people, and with unhealthy ministerial environments because The LORD uses those very experiences to teach, train, refine, and cultivate believers who are exposed to such challenges. The LORD uses those experiences to help believers bring forth the oil, the anointing and He also uses such experiences to help build believers to be instruments of redemption for others who may get exposed to similar unhealthy experiences. So sometimes when believers are in unhealthy challenges and environments that contradict the true purpose of ministry and servanthood, The LORD just may be using that very environment to process the believer so he or she can be a light in that darkness.
So it does bother me deeply and even angers me to the core when there are people who use church environments inappropriately and in an unintegral fashion, because the church is purposed for training and equipping us on how to live and exist in this particular sovereign image. It is for the purpose of helping us learn how to express the original habitat we are created to live life from which is eternity and Heaven. So yes, it makes me upset when I hear people either leaving the faith or even just leaving church because of bad and unhealthy experiences in churches and ministries. That exposes the countless number of people who are being robbed and have been robbed of pure freedom, deliverance, and true transformation and restoration. And woe unto those who have blood on their hands for this very reason. It is a shame that there are those who found the time to play games with God and with God's people and purposely chose to ignore the hunger many have for the truth. And I do want to say that I am sorry that you all had to experience unhealthy situations in ministerial environments but The LORD already knew how He would use such situations to unveil His glory through your lives.
Hallelujah and Amen.
This is so good🙌🏾
Just stumble across this and I want to thank you for the dialog created. Blessings to you all
It's great that you emphasize listening. But for those who are hungry, they need answers. We can not edify/feed the spiritual needy without answers the answers that the church doesn't provide. Thus the mass exodus!
What you say is true, but listening helps lead to answering the right questions, right?
@@MrAntiOrdinary I believe we already know the question. The question is why are people deciding to leave the church. The people on the panel are telling you why. They also are giving us somewhat of an answer as to why. The church is full of hypocrisy at best. We are taught to believe, trust and follow after doctrine at closer and deeper searching doesn't line up with the words written in the book. So in listening to them the answer is manifested. We just have to be able to except it. Our fathers have taught us LIES. If God doesn't change than what did Jesus change. If we seek the scriptures enough we will see how the NT is just the fulfillment of the OT or to be more correct an extension. (NT is not scripture it is letters containing scripture) And what God requires has not changed. But the church will have you believe all has been done away with. Nailed to the cross...LIES...The rabbit hole is deep, full of twists and turns. (We may never know the full Truth. But when we are lead to question reality then the Truth stands waiting for us to open the door )
@@jeralec8564 But they have been nailed to cross, read Colosians 2
It's amazing how people can point out Church hypocrisy but they never talk about their own hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy is not exclusive to the church it's an All Too Human thing.
@@codeblood2000 well I wonder where they learned it from. Your comment only shines a light on the main problem. Churches don't obey God if they did they wouldn't teach people that God has changed the commandments and they were nailed to the cross. So how do you expect them to lead people to complete obedience. (I know jumpin and shoutin and running around the church like their hair on fire). ( Or name it and claim it) (so-called FAITH ). If Jesus died for your sins, (my question is what is sin) and has the definition of sin changed and if not then somebody is Lying!
If you truly love someone you can’t leave them in their error/confusion. I hope Jude3, are taking these people aside and proclaiming the true Gospel to them so that their hearts are made new by the Holy Spirit. These people are functional unbelievers that want to shape a god of their own imagination. They can’t hold these thoughts while at the same time reading scripture. Which leads me to believe they have neglected a true relationship with Jesus.
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I'm enjoying these conversations it's good to ask these kinds of questions about church and get some honest answers on some very good topic keep it coming it's interesting
WARNING: Chosen people of Yaweh. This is not the hour to be dabbling in and exploring other religions. The Church Age is soon to end. Jesus has told you he is Way the Truth and the Life. "Enough" with the Christian and Disciple titles. Jesus is coming back for Overcomers. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony. It's time to graduate from these titles of Christians and Disciples and become Overcomers.
Being a Christian isn't just a title purpose in Salvation walking in truth it's not just the title.
I love hearing and I believe and support the Biblical teaching that we should be slow to speak and quick to hear.
If YOUR wisdom doesn't line up with the WORD of GOD, it is NOT of God. The reason there are soooo many differing views is BECAUSE everyone is following their own heart and intuition. Test every Spirit, the heart is wicked above all things, humble yourself!
I get it! You’re just stretching these episodes out. However, I know that in the end you will share the truth with them. Blessings
Let pray she will.
God bless you guys, Grace and Peace. I’m barely stumbling upon you guys’ ministry and I would like to know where I can find however many videos there are with guests Flame and Da T.R.U.T.H. Thanks.
Hmmm Very interesting... So I'm interested in going through something like this with our youth and young adults! I appreciate the conversations, and honest answers. I'm praying for them
Enjoyed listening to this convo.. also would be nice for the host to have a response that addresses some things in a loving way like for example... no1 on the panel mentioned the Holy Spirit.. they said "spiritual"and said "wisdom".. i left the institutional church as well during covid last year and believe I've had way more clarity and I'm able to study the word with other believers and pray with others in a smaller group which is great. Leaving can be a lonely road so imo if you've left you should seek genuine, Godly fellowship elsewhere or start one!
What do people mean when they say they're "spiritual"? When did this become a sufficient answer to the question of faith in Christ?
I wish we had a separate word for "church" meaning body of Christ and "church" meaning building where you go to on Sunday, and "church" the organization of religion.
SUNday? Who authorized a change in God's Sabbaths and FEASTS? Who CHANGED God's Laws and TIMES.
@@LightSeekers777 Jesus fulfilled the law. So it’s not necessary for us to keep the same day. However the scriptures in the New Testament do support Sabbath rest.
@@christopherbarr3385 I used to think this too, because it's what the churches teach. REBELLION against GOD'S LAWS is the Great DECEPTION. Jesus tells people over and over to keep God's laws, and He rebukes the Pharisees over and over for not keeping God's laws.
@@LightSeekers777 he didnt rebuke them for not following the law. He rebuked them for their hypocrisy and their heart posture when doing the things of the law. Also if we look at what Paul was telling Peter about how circumcision is not necessary it follows the same. That was for the Jews. The law was made up of two types of law: Moral law which is outstanding all of time ex. 10 commandments and also Moral legislation which God was using to help Israel differentiate itself from the canaanites such as don’t sacrifice your children and such and to be upheld as the law for the theocracy of Israel.
@@christopherbarr3385 That is man made theology and not Biblical. Jesus said My DOCTRINE is not My own, but His who sent Me. God doesn't change. Jesus endorsed EVERYTHING of God. They are ONE, echad.
I enjoy being relational with God. I tried being spiritual, but I found out that there are two types of spirits.
It's very interesting.
Carnal Christians follow their FLESH, SPIRIT filled Christians follow and submit to the LAWS of God. "...those in the FLESH can not please God." Why??? "Because the mind set on the FLESH is hostile to God; for it DOES NOT SUBJECT itself to the LAW of God."
I wish these vid were longer.... This fed my soul 😊
I don't know where to put myself. I am not religious anymore nor spiritual: I believe God exists but I don't want to have a relationship with Him because I'm dissapointed and dissatisfied in Him.
They had another conversation about God and still no Bible verses.
Because they are stating their own personal opinions? geez...
Yes cause people don't really want to look to the word. They look to men for answers that are in the bible.
🤔 very interesting responses.
The image that we are made in of God are 3 parts Body Soul and Spirit, just like he is God the Son and Holy Spirit. Our knowledge and our thoughts and our ways dont compare he is The One and most High God. We dont share those attributes with him.
Or is it the man women and child what africans taught us the first way before a Jesus
Enjoying these videos but don’t understand why the beginning and end of every video is (or seems) copied and pasted. Not sure the purpose of that. But great discussion and video otherwise.
I want to lean on the holy spirit no my own knowledge.
Thanks for the content...it seems none of these opinions are anything new same old issues that have been addressed for thousands of yearsod church history...I wonder how deeply these and so many others have interacted with the fundamentals of Christian doctrine.. perhaps even beginning with much of the content on your channel...
These people are respectful all over the place, where do we start Matthew 7:20 by there fruits you shall know them...?
They have not offered one scripture to back their position. Try this "He who isolates himself pursues selfish desires; he rebels against all sound judgment" - Proverbs 18:1
What was the fruit of the slave master who enslaved and converted our ancestors
What do your panel say about Hebrews 10:25 if they say they are Christians but don’t go to church! We are the Church but we still should go to assemble with other believers! I would like to hear their answer to this question? Read Romans 10:14. Thank you! I will be looking to hear you address theses two scriptures!
My question to them is do they believe the Bible....when it says do not forsake the assembly....I understand that the congregation that they went to were not fit for them but were they called to follow fellow believers or was they called to follow Christ.....are we not to love the body of Christ since they are (if they truly are his) also part of that same body due to Christ gave his life for it.....it seems to me they are following man versus following Christ. Jesus said “by this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” And what is that love “bear one another and forgive one another if any of you have grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.” I’m not saying to sweep these congregation mishaps toward the victims under the rug or disregard our own emotions and or ignoring our boundaries we forgive their sin by acknowledging it and the extending the forgives God given to us to them. Find a congregation and get planted and rooted in good teaching, and stop this pointing cause the world is watching and seeing this also further them away from the truth of the gospel.
There is a transition going on right now... Many people are no longer aiming to believe. Now people want to know. People are getting tired of being lied to and being told what to believe... Folks are leaving belief behind as much as possible and trying to know what is possible to be known.
@@DJ-uc8mk I understand I also was lied to by the prosperity gospel that my old church that I attended but when I realized it I got closer to God through the scriptures and through his grace because I still sought him I found a healthy congregation where the truth is preached. I appreciate the talk but I think they should extend forgiveness of that that Christ gave to them and find a healthy church. Thanks for the videos
@@marcopadilla9804 Amen
Sounds a lil lukewarm to me.
Yeah these christians on they way out of christianity.. They asking too many questions and they would rather know things than to believe things.
@@nickjones1314 , I agree to an extent. I think it is good to ask questions. In my opinion, It’s more that they seem afraid to stand up for for Christ because of cultural pressure.
@@MrWood-qd6kr Where do you get that opinion from?
@@nickjones1314 , God never said that we aren’t allowed to ask questions.
@@MrWood-qd6kr To be more accurate man never said that god said that we cant ask questions. We have to trust that man is capable and qualified to speak/write for god... But the men in the bible are the middleman between us and god because the bible is where to get info from god.
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Proverbs 3:
“5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean *NOT* on *YOUR OWN* understanding;
6 In *ALL* your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall direct your paths.
7 Do not be wise in your own eyes;
Fear the Lord and depart from evil.
8 It will be health to your flesh,
And strength to your bones.”
As a child when you know you're doing something wrong before you step foot in the church that's because the Lord had stood on your hearts it's already in your soul right and wrong.
Your soul and spirit was part of you when you were born. You had to learn about the lord from man. There is nothing divine about being introduced to a god by man
I wonder if the real problem is the lack of discipleship. As you go make disciples not converts. Who is teaching people in the body/church/bride how to grow how to find answers? Clearly no one! 💔
Can you get more SPIRITUAL than the omnipotent HOLY SPIRIT?
This conversion is teetering on the line of following Christ and trying to become Christ, two very different things. The only reason to leave a church is solely based on the prophet of the church. Is he of God or not ?
Conversations are necessary but just giving space for people to say whatever their heart tells them is not as helpful it seems.
If you are seeking a righteousness from within yourself.... Hmmm
I'm not a Christian. I'm a Believer!!! Being A Christian is Like a Being apart of a Group. Like a Fraternity or Sorority. I'm not that. I Believe in God's Word & I'm Free!!! I don't have to go to others, when the Holy Spirit Speaks to Me!!! I will go back to Church & just be a Light, in the Congregation. My Call Of God, is listening to Everyday People... I LISTEN to what they're saying. I met 2 sisters, whose Aunt died from a Heart Attack, yesterday. The Holy Spirit showed me how to be COMPASSIONATE!!! I had to Encourage them!!! They came back to me & asked me, what I thought about the Outfit? I went back to see the other Outfit, & told them that they Chose the Right One!!! My Mission in Life, Is to Win People!!! If the Holy Spirit wasn't in my life, I wouldn't have known what to say. I give GOD, ALL THE GLORY!!! I'M FREE!!!
Yes indeed you are a believer... These people on the video are transitioning from being a believer to being a knower.. They are asking questions with the intent to know and not just believe. Interesting times
Great conversation! I highly recommend a booked call “The End of Religion” by Bruxy Cavey deals with a lot of the same topics most of us wrestle with when it comes to defining what religion, faith, grace and how Jesus realigns our vision and supersedes religion.
I’m just trying to figure out when she’s going to bring scripture to bear on the conversation and tell them the truth... that’s not loving to hide the truth that will set them free. I hope she’s preaching the actual Gospel to them off camera
I think the problem is we are calling followers of Jesus Christians and not what Jesus called us, disciples. Being a Christian is too much pressure. I am not a Christian, I am a disciple of Jesus Christ.
How can one be a follower of christ when we have no literature from christ
@@DJ-uc8mk Great point. We don't have any direct writings of Washington but people believe he existed. We can't see the wind but we notice its effects. Christianity, unlike any other religion, is based on faith. Muslims, JW, Bahai, Catholics, Gnostics, etc., all require knowledge. Being a disciple of Jesus is so simple that it is hard. It is hard to believe in someone you've never met, it's expecially hard when we see so many of his "followers" acting crazy and like lunatics. There are some true believers who have accepted all of what we believe by faith. Our faith, however, isn't simply blind. There is documented proof of Jesus' existence. There is proof in the Bible but also in historical writings. Check out the Bible museum in DC, you'd be amazed at what you will find. Yes, I have faith, but my faith is more real than the computer I am typing on (Hebrews 11:1). Much success in your journey my friend.
@@destinynj I dont understand why you so quick to defend the existence of jesus. I never questioned the existence of jesus.. The consensus says that jesus existed... I'm questioning the literature.. Based on the facts we have no literature from jesus nor do we have any literature about jesus composed during the time of jesus... The oldest gospels are in greek written decades after the life of jesus... Jesus never spoke greek. The names mat mark luke and john were attributed to the gospels about 200 years after the gospels were written... The gospels are pseudepigrapha... They are literature created by anonymous authors... So how can you follow jesus when all the literature we have of jesus comes from the minds of other people that we do not know of.. These people never or seen jesus? We can never honestly say "Jesus said . . . because we have no literature from jesus.. We can say "Paul said . . ".. We can say that a lot but we can never honestly quote jesus.. He never speaks for himself.
Its foolish to believe in something you dont understand.. Its foolish to marry someone without dating and getting to know them first.. It is foolish to hire someone without giving them an interview first.. Being how our people were introduced to this religion, it would be wise for us to verify all the things we were taught from our oppressor.
@@DJ-uc8mk Hmmm...the pseudepigrapha are the non-canonical books that were not accepted as apart of the canon. If you look at the writing of 40 different people over a span of 1400 years you will find a consistency in prophecy and in actuality. Here is a question: What would a writer in 70AD have to gain from writing something that related to something written in 200 or 100 BCE. I think you suggest some great questions. Are you open to connecting via phone or zoom? It's hard to really connect with a person in this medium? Find me at @Convergechurch right here on CZcams. I'd love to chat, just not in venue. As I said in my sermon today, " Nobody every came to Jesus because they lost an argument!"
@@destinynj LOL... I dont mind losing an argument.. I just got several questions.. What time is a good time is good for you.
idk much about the prophecies nor am i really concerned about them Most of my questions come from one bible book at a time. Most of my questions deal with genesis but i still dont know how one could follow jesus if we have no literature from jesus or the time of jesus
I wish they had someone (black) on the show that would lose their fear an say I'm not a Christian
Woman of God
Men of God
Don't question God he rather we ask for understanding
No one is questioning bible god on this episode.. The brotha pointed out that we know right from before any human gives us a god or a church. When these youngstas talk about being spiritual they going beyond bible god. They are in a transition and they will soon realize if man or if the slave master never gave you bible god, you would still have your innate ability to know right from wrong without ever having man tell you about bible god. That has nothing to do with jesus moses or Abe. Those are just characters playing the middle man between what is already given to you from your creator. This conversation had nothing to do with bible god.
If you can't question or make fun of your god then what's the point of a relationship with him?
Do these people really know what it means to be a Christian?
They sound new age or progressive Christianity.
@@Endlesslove29 it's just to have a relationship with him and take on his characteristics. It's clear as day in the scripture.
@@Endlesslove29 i can't get with it. I just want scripture not no one opinion
I call myself a believer in Jesus Christ, not a 'Christian'.
A Christian is just to be christ like.
If y’all really want answers,y’all really need to meet my Apostle,guarantee u will get all ur questions answer
Please,please ask your guests to use each others name rather than "he" and "she".
Next time make it longer, i thought you had more questions
I would go back to church also if the church operated like it is supposed to operate. Not now. It is so out of alignment with God that there is going to have to be a bunch of house cleaning before I go back.
Y'all be careful with asking too many questions, that's what the devil used to bring about the fall.
There is a way to ask questions with a desire to gain answers and dig deeper into God. And then there is a way to pose a question that casts doubt and confusion.
Yes so true.
Tell me you can't defend your beliefs without telling me you can't defend your beliefs. Everyone here is forgetting that those that come into faith are on the outside looking in. They don't have to believe anything. They're simply curious. You're trying to approach faith in god like everyone is already on the same page as you. And even then you're walk with god and how you interpret the word will contradict anothers view and walk. If you want people on the outside to understand you gotta speak their language. If you can't answer difficult questions they just gonna feel finessed. If the too many questions being asked casts doubt and confusion perhaps the faith you stand on has a pretty weak foundation.
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I am Christlike.... Professing to be wise... and everyone did what was right in THEIR OWN eyes.... Can you say END TIMES???
End times for who
@@nickjones1314 Last days according to scripture.
@@LightSeekers777 oh ok. Folks been saying that since the bubonic plague.
@@nickjones1314 "Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own LUSTS, and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue just as they were from the beginning of creation."... And basically it goes on to say you don't understand His WORD and His JUDGEMENT to come..... But how about that, He wrote about you scoffing?!
@@nickjones1314 But if that wicked servant says to himself, "My Master is delayed...." I wouldn't be caught living for yourself, God already warned He will come like a thief in the night.
The faith started with Abraham. It's an Israelite faith. Jesus came and further defined the faith. The Ecclesia began at Jerusalem without Roman influence. The faith was not called Christianity. The pagans met at Nicea and started Christianity. Nicea was not the city chosen by Yahwah to place His name there. He chose Jerusalem. What happened at Nicea is, the pagans made an alternative religion.
Christianity is full of paganisms. It would offend some people if I would name them. Easier, which is Eostre, or Ishtar. And there is a long historical story concerning this, you can research for yourself. Christmas, which is Mithas. It celebrates the sun and Nimrod. Nimrod was born on December 25th. In places in Europe, it was in still is celebrated as Yule Tide. And the Christmas tree has nothing to do with Jesus.
The Pope violated the Fourth Commandment. He got rid of observing the seventh day Sabbath. He moved it out of the way and replaced it with the Day of the Sun, Sun's Day, observed on the first day.
They got rid of biblical law.
Christianity is not the biblical faith and we reject it. We have come to know through an abundance of proofs that we are Israelites. We embrace all of the Bible and reject paganisms.
It's happening now in end of the last days, after two thousand years in accordance with Hosea 6:1 and 2. Our revival has begun. Also see Deuteronomy 4:27-31. We are exploding and you don't even know we are in the world. Biblical prophecies describe our journey down through time. Gentiles are coming to us and joining themselves unto us. The powers of Mark chapter 16 and 1 Corinthians chapters 12, 13 and 14 are upon us. We are Straitway Ministry. We are the beginning of the restoration of Israel in the hands of the Most High. We are not a religion, we are a nation. Our life worships Jesus. We assemble and He is in our midst. We serve one another out of love.
Look us up and learn about us. We are Straitway Ministry. Our faith is biblical.
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Lot of people are false converts
Do you think the slaves were false converts when our ancestors were first introduced and forced into this religion
I wish you had chosen people who literally considers themselves no longer Christians- not just Christians who left the church!
Big difference
Rhett and Link of good mythical morning have a good podcast on this ..they used to be evangelical Baptists. I think the video is called My deconstruction story or something
Me too, I want to hear more about POC ex-christians, especially the relationships they have with Christian family and friends.
"I'm a christian but im not religious". Thats impossible. I used to say the same thing when i was on my way out. They using words like god conscious.. smh they on they way out. The young lady say she always gone ask questions... smh and she study tooo.... OH she definitely on her way out.
New age. I think is being pushed now a days but people are having testimony of how demonic it is. One world religion.
@@marjoredixon3846 It probably has its demonic aspect to it.. But it cant be more demonic than christianity. I dont think any new age folks used their literature to enslave a whole continent. And whats more demonic than slavery? I think almost all things have their good side and bad side to it... You can learn how to invest on the internet or you can watch porn all day... or both.. You can use the bible to love thy neighbor or to enslave your neighbor. Choice is on the human
No, don't need a title to just be.. it separate the people.. making one religion feel superior.. especially christianity.. the hidden satan
REPENT!!!
HELL MEANS,,, TO LATE..