The Prosperity Gospel Didn't Prepare Her For Suffering | When Faith Disappoints Series Ep.1
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- čas přidán 6. 08. 2024
- Welcome to the first episode of our special five-part series, "When Faith Disappoints," in which everyday people share their stories of grappling with faith and God. This series is designed to help highlight the themes in Lisa Fields's upcoming book "When Faith Disappoints: The Gap Between What We Believe and What We Experience."
In this episode, we sit down with Kayla, who opens up about her struggles with the prosperity gospel. Kayla shares how the promises of prosperity and success didn't prepare her for the suffering she faced, leading her to question God and her faith. Her powerful story highlights the real challenges many believers face when their experiences don't align with their expectations of faith.
Join us as we explore these profound and honest conversations, aiming to provide comfort and understanding to those facing similar challenges.
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 - Kayla’s Faith Journey
5:00 - Your First Disappointment with God
8:20 - Navigating Disappointment with God
11:21 - Trust Issues with God
14:07 - Feeling Cursed by God
19:58 - Advice to Your Younger Self
22:27 - Perception of God Before
24:00 - Church Teachings and God's Image
27:44 - Advice for the Disappointed
30:10 - Coping Mechanisms for Faith Struggles
32:42 - Closing
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Great conversation! I went through a similar deconstruction and reconstruction of my belief system, and it was hard. The videos of Jude 3 helped me work out a lot of my questions. Thanks!!!
The gospel is the gift of Eternal Life that God has given to us, and this Truth is manifest in the bodily resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. All the other preachings are not the Truth. If it's not centered and on the foundation of the bodily resurrection how can it be the gospel? So many misuse the written testimonies of the Word Himself who is the Eternal Life. I'm amazed on how not many actually understand the gospel. If you have the Holy Spirit of Jesus, you should be experiencing the depth of His life that has already overcome the experience of death. You should actually be a new creature. A spirit born organism understanding the spiritual reality of God. There are so many cursed imaginations because of the false gospels. What made the apostles and the ones who saw the risen Messiah is that they were no longer in spiritual bondage to death because of His bodily resurrection. He is the one to fulfill the promise in the garden and every other promise God made throughout time. His bodily resurrection is our reality, and the experience of this is by His Spirit. This is only the basic level of intimacy with Jesus that I'm testifying of so where is there any room for the false ear tickling worldy teachings? If it doesn't build up on the confession of Jesus as the Living Messiah and cause re-birth as a spiritual organism through His bodily resurrection, how is the gospel of Truth?
Thank you so much for sharing. We are so glad that God used Jude 3 to help you on your journey.
No, thank you all at Jude 3! I bless the Holy Spirit for leading me to your videos during that tough time.
Briefly, I'd been saved for 20 years and went through the "seeking my identity in scripture" crisis as a result of what I was seeing play out in our Western culture. I saw an eye opening video by a now deceased historian, Runoko Rashidi, that showed me artifacts from our people that far predated scripture, that showed me that we were more than enslaved, but rather had a glorious history.
That led me down a great 2 year historical journey through time, but my worldview was also confronted. It was painful and I had to reconstruct what I believed, the great thing was that my life altering salvation experience is what I could never deny and get away from, but my intellect and head needed to reconcile things. I'm one who has always studied and actually love to.
The Kemetic community has some compelling arguments and theories, but along my searching I saw a few Courageous Conversations, and Dr. Vince Bantu was a huge help. I also saw his debate with Dr. Jabari Osaze at Pastor Mason's church, which was awesome.
The video that really helped though was the one with Bantu, Dr. Wesley, and the two other panelists that discussed the Inclusive versus Exclusive positions. From there, I watched Dr. Wesley's entire Can I Push It series. Him really being honest and transparent and being able to say, "I don't know it all," was so liberating. I identity with a more Inclusive stance.
So, it has been a great journey, and I bless God for the work you all are doing. I needed to see and hear this from an African-American viewpoint. It helped save my faith. 🙂
The prosperity gospel will have us thinking and focusing on ourselves, and not the cross of Christ, that’s the god (small g) of this world, and not the God of the Bible. Once I came into right division, it made the word of God come alive. This grace message has humbled me, and I am forever grateful. God bless you and your listeners🩵
Yes, it does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can relate so much to Kayla. I was also raised in a prosperity gospel household, so when I became an adult, I held a lot of shame when life went "wrong". I am still reconstructing my theology.
When faith disappoints is bigger than the prosperity gospel. We will all feel disappointed in God because there are times to grow us, there’s a lonely, isolated and tough growth process. It gets dark and scary but God was there THROUGH it.
I agree with you; however, this was a very good starting point. Such a blessing to hear this honest and relatable conversation. Thank You Gos for loving us, chastising us, teaching us, etc., through it all!
That's why God gave us the story of Job because He knows when things go wrong the devil will come through people "even" those in the church to doubt our place in Christ.
I grew up in the prosperity gospel and I had a similar experience as her. I think it was more of not understanding that in your 20's you have to pay your dues and be patient for success and God's plan. God doesn't circumvent the natural pattern of things sometimes so you can get what you want. Sometimes you have to pay your dues with God. I worked so hard in college and had no job in my career for 7 years after graduation but God told me to keep trying. Now I am living my dream, in the career I graduated in and thriving, but I am in my 40's. God is after character, patience, and hard work. He does also want us to have faith in Him. Faith does work. He never wanted me to give up faith that one day I would be successful, but he wanted patience too. So there is a balance but you have to seek God to find it. Faith plus works is the best balance. Don't abandon faith in God for success, but don't be impatient and want things more than your relationship with Him.
I love this comment 🎯
He may not come when you want him to or how you what him to, but he will be there. "He's An On Time God".
I am also turning 31 here soon and you have PERFECTLY articulated my every thought, emotion, and struggle. Sounds like we are running parallel lives 😊🥲
same!
Whenthings don't go my way I try to remember that Jesus did everything right and he suffered anyhow.
Also Jamie Winship has amazing testimony about how missions can just "fail" when it felt like God was leading.
Thank you for sharing your story.
I LOVE Jamie Winship!! Totally agree!!
This is so necessary! I think coming into the acknowledgment of it rains on the just and unjust really helped me understand that I can “be good” and still experience suffering for his name sake
I’m so proud of this conversation. It hit the nail on the head and many people struggle with this. To God be the glory no matter where you are in your walk
Hank Hanegraaff's Christianity in Crisis and D.R. McConnell's A Different Gospel both opened my eyes to the insidious nature of the prosperity gospel or the Name It Claim It or Blab It Grab It gospel
18:19 wheww that's where I'm at. I have many talents and gifts but none of them are full of passion
I haven’t been to church in a while. My prayer times have dwindled. I do more of warfare because I must be cursed cos what is even this 😢
I appreciate this conversation
Great conversation, highly relevant to many who struggle to articulate their experiences with the prosperity gospel.
This is a great discussion to have in the community. The prosperity Gospel is based on American culture of capitalism, selfishness and greed. You can't preach that kind of message to the unhoused or countries that are poverty-stricken.
This was a mic drop of an interview Ladies. Ty👍🏾✝️🙂
Because the prosperity “gospel” is NOT the Gospel
Amen
It's a false teaching. It can be corrected by RIGHT TEACHING.
Thank you. No one is reading their Word just taking the word of others.
Love this... this is a healing revelation. Thanks for this conversation.
God bless you ladies this was so good.
This is excellent. No pun intended.
Loved watching this and am excited about Lisa's upcoming book.
Kayla's story resonates with me. And yet, I don't think her story reflects "prosperity gospel" failing her. It seems to moreso display commonplace unmet expectations with God + life within a coming of age story (especially when someone graduates college and doesn't have an amazing runway to their first job).
Disappointment, though, can come in many ways. And I appreciated hearing Kayla talk about her journey and reframing what God is doing in her life.
The prosperity gospel has no theodicy. If you are financially strapped or ill, then something is wrong with you. It is an American orientation of the gospel that is foreign to many Third World believers. I often wonder how lower income families would feel in Kenneth Copeland's church.
It resonates with me too. I really enjoyed hearing someone else say these things out loud. Personally, I would relate it to the prosperity gospel failing her/me bc those expectations were set by way of a growing up under a system & certain type of teaching - so deeply charismatic and though it may speak of the hard times, not with nearly as much emphasis as the trails being won & on THIS side of heaven on top of that. She/we just hadn’t lived long enough to see that its focus didn’t set her up for other seasons of life as much.
Of course we have a role to play and it doesn’t mean a person didn’t read their Bible but if the church has a place of importance & we’re supposed to go then it has to take accountability too. If it’s responsible & needed for us growing in the faith then teachings can also be taken into consideration when assessing someone’s separation from it. Idk but I enjoy these perspectives in the comments too that most of us unfortunately can barely get in person.
@@itschrischriss I hear you. For me, I think about the percentage of people who graduate college and get hit with the reality of the job market. Believers or not, the percentage would probably be high that many college graduates aren't getting what they expect despite being above average. Either way, I understand what you're saying and equally value these videos.
Absolutely loved this video! So timely, honest, & transparent.
This content is gold and necessary. Thanks for sharing so openly, Mrs. Rodriguez(sorry I defaulted to super formal) and thank you for using your platform to make some hidden things known, Lisa.
So glad to hear that you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching.
Enjoyed this
It's really popular and easy to criticize where the word of God talks about prosperity, or healing and if we don't read the rest of the scripture and believe that also we will be Christians with very limited knowledge of the word and the character of God and that we can also expect suffering, trials and tribulations in our walk with the Lord,
People forget Job story,Joseph story.....
Gullable fools.
This was so good. I really needed to hear this today. Thank you for this refreshing testimony ❤🙏🏾✝️
What I would tell my younger self about God....God is good even when life isn't. I would also tell my younger self...there's nothing more important in life than obeying Him. You may lose or at least it may seem like you lose money, friends, opportunities but none of it is worth disobeying Him.
Thanks Lisa and Kay! Definitely identified her story. Great conversation.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching.
14:22 THAT!!! you can't define it
You should speak to women who couldn’t have or never had kids though they desired it desperately
Or believers who have experienced loss of kids etc
I agree. Yet both are choices. A woman can choose to be Married or Single, both are GOOD choices. Having Children is a Choice through natural birth or adoption. The problem is most congregations pressure women into getting Married and having children as if that's something GOD promised all women. Not in scriptures. Mary and Martha were Single and childless, yet JESUS still found them valuable, useful. It's people, not GOD, that has an issue with it. A loss of a child by miscarriage or death is extremely difficult 💔 and a separate discussion.
@@tpisbrave1135 enlightening. Thank you . I sometimes wonder if I wouldn’t mind so much not having a kid yet if it wasn’t for society and I find out though I desire it, i could definitely live without it if there wasn’t so much stigma around it. At least from where I come from.
Martha and Mary huh. I never knew this about them.
Blessings
@Vavavoum-gr8 in today's society there's a large number of single woman without Children some by Choice. It's not a stigma when you find your tribe. Associate with Saved, Single Women who are at peace and living and enjoying life not pining about Marriage and Children. Adoption is a great option. Unless Men desire or need for Marriage and Children, they will seek it out.
Marriage not happening on time for me has been my biggest disappointment in my faith walk but I don’t blame God entirely
What do you mean " on time"?
Is there a certain age for marriage? 🤔
Of course the Prosperity gospel didn't prepare her for suffering, the Prosperity gospel is a false gospel!
Amen!wicked!
There is no such thing as Prosperity Gospel.
There is THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST,or THE KINGDOM OF GOD, and if you're born again, it includes your Prosperity.
Preach
If you read the Bible clearly, the people in the bible had struggles and challenges it's all throughout the OT. God is God. We can make plans all day, but God's will will be done. Proverbs 16:3. We have to learn to inquire of the Lord FIRST, BEFORE we make plans and know that he is Sovereign.
Purpose is NOT the issue........( you can thank Rick Warren for using the word to make a teaching out of it.) The issue is HIS ( The LORD'S Purpose in AND FOR OUR LIFE. READ ROMANS 8:28-29.
The entire premise of salvation is based on Jesus suffering the most horrible barbaric death imaginable. So based on that model, he uses things that seem bad in the moment to bring about his purpose and plan. Success in anything is not just a straight line. It has dips, turns, circles, and everything else. So suffering is actually an intricate part of prospering. You think an athlete doesn't suffer when he's training in the heat or cold? You think a boxer isn't suffering when it's round 9 in a 12 round match and he's already tired, battered, and bloody? The victory comes with extreme discomfort
READ YOUR WORD. Omg suffering is all about Christianity. Smh. I can’t blame no man we I stand in front of the Lord. Especially here in 2024 with this technology.
Prosperity gospel isn’t faith so it doesn’t build faith. It’s manipulation and perversion. For every promise God gives, there is a standard. Without the standard (that matures us into real faith) we forfeit the promise.