Should You Raid in Party Finder in FFXIV?
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00:00 Intro
00:32 On desire & motivation to raid
03:38 Before You Raid
04:22 Party Finder vs Static raiding
15:23 Static recruitment
16:02 Casual vs midcore vs hardcore
21:47 Outro - Hry
I'm weird because I really care about my own performance, but I would prefer my teammates to be nice and I really don't care what they parse so long as we can clear. I can join parse runs in PF if I want to boost my numbers, but for learning the fights I flourish in an environment where I am respected and valued, which was certainly not the case in my first static. So I joined a static which has been together for years and have really close-knit bonds, and no one yells at me or makes me cry or tells me I'm shit, and I perform better because I'm not stressed and afraid of messing up, so we all win. :)
You arenât weird đ - Iâm the same way. Youâre lucky you found a good static that works with your playstyle (for lack of a better word), because there are so many toxic ones out there.
Wanted to do High-End Content ever since ARR but i am too afraid of commitment and expectations and all that what might come at me through statics... But I am also afraid of PF for all the negative stuff I have heard about it. Now I am simply stuck not doing these things for every Expansion... Coming from a WoW Raid environment I expect it to be stressfull and requireing a lot of time and preparation commitment and fixed times a week to show up etc etc - And I really do not want to go back to this kinda "life" again ._.
I pf on Crystal whenever I can and it is a largely positive experience even on a server with such a negative reputation. Blind prog or fresh prog parties work out so much better than "clear" parties - people overestimate their own capabilities in those and they are pretty frustrating and miserable.
That's not weird or shouldn't be. Contrary to popular opinion you don't have to be a jerk to do well in a game or to care about your own performance. And really being nice to your teammates improves your chances of succeeding-- it's not necessary or even helpful to be a jerk or overly critical to your party members.
lol "no one yells at me or makes me cry"
Got P1S and P2S done blind through PF only and it's been a pretty good experience overall. The worst part I think is kill parties/getting through enrage, because a lot of people start getting really impatient.
Not only that, that's also when you realize dps matters and weaker links get exposed, especially week 1. Can be a rude awakening that you actually gotta press buttons while doing mechanics.
So many people leaving, just trying to get through p2s enrage, had a party wipe at 0.3% and 3 left...
I mean, I would be really angry if we were going for the kill, and someone was wiping us on mechanics before we can even reach 20% boss hp after seeing enrage multiple times.
Just getting past a mechanic is much easier than getting through the mechanics with enough damage to clear. Kill parties expose who hasn't been pulling their weight with damage.
Only way to expose is to break tos, I guess that's why people just leave. But then, how would u go about helping people know that their dps is really lacking and how to go about helping them??? Best community huh....
I understand that she's speaking from her own experience of PFs and Statics, but I feel the need to step in and justify more pros of the PF.
1. Scheduling and synergy.
Getting 8 people's schedules on the timeline consistently is a difficult feat. Let alone 8 people that can positively work together. PF allows for a lower level of commitment and playing adheres to your own schedule.
2. Advantage to drop in drop out play.
In PF there's plenty of description as to what kind of party you are joining. Typically parties will describe what stage of the fight they are on:
- "Prog *stage of fight/ability name*")
- There's plenty of Practice and đ± friendly groups.
- "Enrage or Clear" parties generally have made it through all the mechanics and seen enrage (enrage means the boss will kill all players and is essentially a time limit to the fight).
Some groups will even specify "no salt progression" if the main concern is to progress without the fear of bad attitudes.
3. Trying to find a static with friends.
(This is purely from my own experience, and the times we were looking for are odd hours).
Finding statics that are looking for multiple people was difficult. Most were looking for only 1 person. So all the more power to you if you're looking for 1 slot.
4. Finding friends in PF.
Some PFs will offer or mandate a discord. In the current savage tier there are great places to meet others who might have the same progression mindset as you. Most of the time these discords are meant to facilitate communication and explain mechanics.
Don't fear the Party Finder. There's plenty of benefits to it, just like there's benefits to having a static!
The Party Finder can be great! I get that some have had bad experiences but you can have bad experiences in statics too, and those are often a lot harder to resolve than just leaving group.
I always remember years ago I was in my first raid team doing coil. One of the guys who was filling in for the night said to me that I wasn't playing my class as well as I could and if I ever wanted help to hit him up. Now a lot of people in this game seem to get but hurt when they hear this. I took him up on the offer we went on a discord call (May have been teamspeak) and practiced on a striking dummy and it made a huge difference not only my dps at the time but how I approach raiding in general. So any group I've ever been in I've always tried to stress don't get upset if your dps isn't the highest and your struggling chances are there is someone else in your team that might know how to help you out try not to take it personal
I've had that sort of experience in World of Warcraft, I've tried helping strangers who clearly had no idea what they were doing with a spec that I know very well, some reacted very well, added me as a friend and asked me several questions in the followings days, others took it badly, called me an elitist and told me that I don't pay their sub. I just try to be helpful because there have been other people who were helpful to me when I was new.
would have been TeamSpeak, Discord didn't catch on till HW
That is a very grown up way to approach this, but quite likely that a lot of other people wouldnt respond the way you did.
Iâve had this moment on both of my healer classes that I main (whm and sge) Itâs funny because theyâre both on the first shadowbringers dungeon where you kill the first light warden. The tank sat me down and explained to me the key components of the class that I was missing
An ego is a hard thing to humble, even more so in an MMORPG
Definitely yes, I went through Eden Promise with PF. Itâs no static consistency but the freedom of doing content whenever you want feels great. Also itâs a nice way to challenge and practice yourself since you have to babysit yourself and look out for mechanics without a caller. I donât like the feelings of helplessness after raiding with static in a tier and then putting myself in a pug. With each tier of raiding I want to master every fight by doing it with pug, not messing up any mechanic myself and clearing as all roles. With static you cannot do that. The gameâs raid is more about personal mastery than loots and power level, and I like that.
Another thing that requires mastery in PF is people skill. How to be diplomatic, supportive and dealing with bullies, because we canât avoid them. To me doing PF raiding gives me something that a clear never does: positive reputation amongst the community. People know my name and I remember those who have been positive and we greet each other occasionally when crossworld hunting. PF raiding certainly will teach you to be patient and consistent. And now with the gameâs community greatly expanded, PFing will be easy because the savage raid will be relevant for a long time as people with different level of commitment and skills will stagger out clear time more. Itâs not like WoW when if you didnât clear it first week you never clear because people gatekeep with achievements to force you to buy clear, no no FF14 is completely different. Itâs all about mastery, skills and diplomacy.
i agree playing at pf and with strangers can gives skills of dealing with stuff
Yea I'm at a point where I might use party finder for extreme trial practices. I hate getting carried/not being on the same page as everyone else.
I'd rather just spend an hour maybe 2 practicing the fight with other new people or other people who may have experience and are happy to help.
I never raid anything , never owned high level stuff , never speak to anyone and still FFXIV is one of my favorite game ! How did they do to find a sweet spot so every player can have fun no matter how they play the game . Such an impressive team đ
Well it doesn't really matter, the weapons get quickly replaced and you'd only need the stronger gear for savage anyway lol
@@Kuroganemk2 I tihnk that's kinda stopping me from going back to Savage. I did them up until Stormblood, but took a long break with ShB and now i don't feel like playing the new ones at all. I never really did them for the farming and mostly because they are great fights, but it still feels weird that the only big reward is gear that you only really need for content you have literally just cleared.
@@kwedl Yeah I did the first savage in PF, its kind of annoying without a proper static but also annoying in a static cos its hard to replace people and some might not take it as seriously as you, so you have to be really lucky in both cases.
My experience with PF on Primal: Learning parties that sound chill always show up at 7/8 and not needing my job, the rest are those "KNOW THE FIGHT OR WE WILL KILL YOUR DOG" clear groups, and then immediately underneath is people trying to find ERP partners.
I did beat the first EX trial through PF, but we had a couple people who knew the mechanics and were trying to help get clears. I still really like doing harder content like this, because it's fun seeing what new mechanics they put in there.
That's the perfect time to start you own PF ;)
Primal here started a savage pf saying i was new one day an hour later no one joined.
Have you ever tried making your own? Lol
Lmao. Don't be afraid to make your own party, maybe there are other likeminded people out there!
i donât mean to be that guy but the EXâs were extremely face roll. Itâs not an accomplishment to do them in PF let alone at allđđđ
I've always been a person who played in organized guilds in other MMOs so being my first tier in FFXIV I decided to make a post on reddit looking for a static and even though I had no prior experience that I would give it my all as a player and be a good contributor to the team , I got a message from someone the next day and we all met up and did some normal runs the weekend before savage came out and they were all super nice people and had the same goals. Since then I am now their main tank and we're progressing at a fairly good pace and are on track to clear P1S this tuesday and move on to the next bosses! I feel like being in a consistent group is super important for progression because everyone is on the same page and you can be in voice and constantly have communication going on where in pugs its hit or miss.
I think yes. PF raiding forces you to learn the fights way more intimately than static raiding; there are no callouts, there is very little communication happening in game during combat. It's your personal responsibility to learn the fight, know the tells and understand what's going on. This can only improve your performance in a static environment & make you less of a liability in the fight, either from mistakes like wrong callouts, people getting mechanics confused, Triangle of Trust having a brain fart, etc.
Even if your PF groups suck, you still gain valuable experiences in what not to do now, and what to avoid doing in the future. Barring the increased risk of abuse, there's virtually no downside to raiding in PF. You can even raid at your own pace, instead of being confined to 2-3 raid nights a week, if that many.
I think PF raiding & strats only start getting in the way once you're in an optimised environment, but if you're raiding at that level, you're probably not using PF anyway...
It's probably going to be a frustrating experience regardless, though :P
I think you mean Dorito of Responsibility :D
You say that, but then everyone just follows the posted macro and rigidly sticks to their position regardless of whether they could adjust to avoid a wipe because someone else was slightly out of position.
PF groups are not learning mechanics, they're following instructions and thinking that they're "learning".
â@@Reinforce_Zwei My most common problem in PFs are people overcompensating for people trying to get out of their way with AoE markers & similar, ending up running in the same direction because they both stop at the same time when trying to let each other pass. I don't think I've ever seen a practice party in XIV down a boss with only a macro & no understanding of the mechanics at play. That's just not how the game works!
The issue you described is way more common in farm parties where everyone knows the fight well & are moving on auto pilot, which happens all the time. All it takes is one cog being slightly weaker than the rest.
My static is progging P1S today, very excited to do my first savage raids as they release! Thanks for the video as always zep!
I cleared P1S last night, as my first on-level Savage content! Was definitely a little nervous going in but I ended up getting paired with a really nice and welcoming group and it was overall a very fun experience. Looking forward to giving P2S a go!
I had a great time clearing P1S with PF. iBut for P2S i met bunch of toxic players. One of them told me in discord âlady I know that you dont give a f about uptime just cast your fairy shit magic.â And when i became quiet and he said it was a joke. And other tank was like âI died while adjusting to other personâs f up and Iâm tiltedâ and got really aggressive at the end. It was freaking fresh prog. i dont want to go into random PF discord ever again. It is just stressful. I really dont like the tanks who is hardcore and have a big ego.
So far I've found that groups that require/push discord are the most toxic. Probably because they know they can say things they can't say in game.
I don't usually go to any PF party that saids "Kick if you meme" or "Kick if you make a mistake" because usually the leaders of those party are the ones making all the mistakes, and of course he doesn't kick himself
Parties like that exist because some people have been through many parties that only wipe, especially if it is a reclear party. It is tilting imo. You aren't entitled to waste people's time on reclears. Not everyone has all day to play. Either respect the time and effort everyone is putting or git gud 4head.
Even I make mistakes but it is rare at this point. Some people make mistakes 3x in a row consecutively in a RECLEAR party. Put yourself in their shoes. How would you feel just spending your whole play time wiping after a long day at work? Not fun.
Of course why would u join that kind of parties lol those are the one to avoid we all know :)
@@prince_youtube12345 Prime example of what OP is talking about right here.
My static recently fell apart, and so I've been forced into using PF and I hate every agonizing second of it. Biggest hurdle is the fact PF doesn't value learning the fights, they value learning a way to complete the fight. So when something goes wrong or somebody needs to adjust, vast majority of the players in PF just cannot do that. They are following a battle plan set in stone with no external thought process going out for when things go south, leading into wipes and frustration for everybody involved.
If only people valued learning and not following a guide by someone else. We would all be better players.
That's the difference between knowing the fight, and your party being good at their jobs.
I've found the most success by posting a learning party, then having 4-5 people stick around long enough to get through a few mechanics, then relist the party as "xx prog", and hopefully you get through all the mechanics with that same group, so at least you get to see enrage and can then confidently join a clear party.
You are looking for blind, this is yhe people tyat you will havefun with, i can add you in Discord if you want. Normally i play blind from start to finish
This is a problem with video games in general these days. People have just gotten used to looking things up and not actually figuring them out for themselves in games.
@@KikoMakai I don't think it's only that. I think it's that you know that the other 7 people in the group may have looked up the strats and you don't want to be the one person who hasn't.
It pretty much goes without saying, but it's still worth actually saying that no one should feel obligated to raid. Yes, it can be fun. Yes, it can be rewarding. Yes, it does seem like "All Of The Big Content Creators (and even the small ones) Do It." But that doesn't mean that you have to. Give it a try but don't feel like you're somehow missing something if it's just not for you. It's a group effort and if you're just trying to do it because you feel like you Have To then you're not only going to have a bad time yourself but you're also going to be dragging down everyone else in the group.
people seem to forget content creators have it insanely easy, they literally have their choice from the cream of the crop of whoever is watching them they get to hand pick the best players to take with them and don't have to deal with ANY of the crap normal people using PF have to deal with (obv doesn't apply if they are using PF with randoms, shouldn't need to be said but it's the internet)
@@zeening Yes, the idea that content creators have anything useful to say about PF is pretty funny.
@@zeening or already have friends or a group already set heck even with other streamers.
For me ffxiv is literally two things: Raid content and my fc's house. Those are the only two things I see except for the 2 days at the start of each new expansion where you need to level lol.
I actually started going for Necro and HoH Solo clear instead of Raiding. Sure i could raid, there's like 30000 party finders up at any given time, but i don't want to. It's fun, i liked doing the Ex trials quite early, but there's no reward i need from raid clears and idk, i see how stressed friends are with their statics and i really just wanna chill.
I did my first Extreme Trial ever, today and It was amazing! My party had so much patient, and our Dorito guide was so awesome! Ff14 is my first mmo! And today am so dam proud of myself for finally doing it!!
On JP servers its almost never an issueâŠPeople are thoughtful and patient. Usually that time of environment allows others to get better too. I almost never wipe with such parties.
same, im in tiamat.
@@exaltx9406 Nice Pandaemonium here ! I feel people are much more considerate⊠Iâve learned a lot even though its intimidating at times.
I feel like I'm skilled enough to do harder content, the problem I run into is that I'm dyslexic. Numbers and letters get mixed up in my brain really easily, every time I've done harder content I constantly mix up the markers and stand in the wrong places. If I do the thing right enough times, sure it becomes muscle memory like anything else. But it takes me like, twice as long as the average player to get there. It feels like hitting a brick wall over and over, it's very frustrating.
Dyslexic here too! đ Never been able to understand the written maps in chat. And feeling very frustrated because it is another language to understand. I always learn more easily with repetition and unfortunately not all like to take that route in clearing content. Never done EX or Savage but I would love to find a group that is willing to take me.
You need voice chat, use discord then to hear commands thats all
The markers are different colors. Use that to help instead of which letter it is!
I think the hard part for me is that there's still SO much to learn before I feel like I could want to start raiding. I want everyone to have a good experience and no one wants to be the poor player who holds other people back! (I probably would be lol) I'd want to find a group of people who are okay being "raid sprouts" together and learning as we go, or find a solid person or two who can help me improve through gameplay before I really dig into difficult content.
I 100% feel you on this. I started playing back in May and it's my first MMO ever. Never even played a computer game since I typically only use my ps4. Literally all of the terminology and basics of the game were brand new to me (I didn't even know what a HUD was or how to change it), and despite learning a whole lot since then, I'm very, very not confident about most fights, despite having been told that I'm actually pretty good. I get incredibly stressed when I mess up a lot and feel like I'm holding back the team, and there are so many mechanics that I haven't had the time to master from old fights, so when they show up now, I'm way slower than most to learn them. I would also love to find a group of "raid sprouts", but being on Korean time doesn't help, lol.
I totally get what you are saying, but the only way to improve is to just try the harder content. You will learn so much from other players if you just observe and ask for help.
This week I cleared my first savage raid (A3) with a group full of new players, who were all going in blind. And also my first extreme trial with no echo and min ilvl.
Just let everyone know that you are new, have never done it before and dont know the tactics - and that you can leave if they dont want that.
Both groups were happy to teach me and even though I felt like I was letting the entire party down at times, when we finally got the clears it felt awesome.
@@ulrikmller3161 I get your point, but as someone who only recently started playing this year, and hasn't even mastered old mechanics, it can be super stressful being the one person who consistently dies because you're trying to remember both old and new mechanics. Being a slow learner in top of that makes it really sucky when you can tell everyone else is getting frustrated about it. Not everyone can just jump in and learn from trial by fire. Since my last post, I've had a few higher level friends go through older dungeons with me and help teach me some mechanics, and now I feel way more comfortable trying new stuff. But with the way things were before that, I was 10x more likely to just avoid harder content.
Im absolutely terrified to try :( i do perfectly fine in the normals, but im afraid of messing up in the Savage stuff and people getting mean..
Looks for partyâs that say fresh prog. There for people who are blind to the fights.
Yeah I used to be so afraid of doing ANY hard content, I said Iâd never do an EX trial, then I saw the cool mounts and ended up doing ALL EXâs so I could get the super mount you get after doing them all, then after that I said iâd never do Savage, but after doing EX for so long I wanted to try what was next up in the chain of âhard contentâ and I enjoy the challenge from Savage raids a lot, I donât do it for the gear, just for the experience. Now I look at EXâs and I always think about how I used to be scared of them. Whenever or if you ever do stuff like EX or Savage you can either try and set up a casual static and get others like you who might want to try harder stuff but are scared of the pressure of others, or go in Party Finder and just set up fresh practice groups and state in the party finder that it is a fresh practice group and you donât want any toxicity and you want to learn (this is usually what I do but be warned that not everyone actually READS the party finder group info every single time, they might just see that you set up a Party Finder for a specific trial or whatever and join just with that knowledge, which is one of the more frustrating things about Party Finder.) But donât be afraid! EVERYONE messes up sometimes in ALL content, even the easy stuff sometimes!
Just cleared PS1 today in PF with two friends and boy did I cause a few wipes. A good group knows that weâre all learning and mistakes happen.
@@tranquilelm5809 I really need to take that into account. Not everyone can be an expert at it so soon.
Don't be afraid! Join a learning party or create your own. there are people just like you who are looking to get into it for the first time and afraid of messing up and you will likely run into them. Build each other up, stay positive and focused on learning and go for those clears!
Gotta say Party Finder is a miracle worker when you are practicing a raid. Just watched this video and joined Asphodelos: The First Circle (Savage) and people were SO NICE. Not only they coached me, they respected everyone's mistakes and kept a very positive attitude, even when we wiped 3 times in a row in very early stages of the fight! I adore this community
Yeah, most of the practice groups manage to uphold a pretty good atmosphere. With clear parties it's a bit more all over the place haha.
If you cant find a pf group because of a popular role you choose just open up groups. Never had a single problem finding randoms as a reaper this way
As someone who cleared both ucob and uwu through partyfinder i can only recomend you giving partyfinder a shot.
I logged in at 1pm on savage release day and it took an hour to find a single PF that wasn't already demanding prog or mechanic experience or demanding higher ilevel than the requirement even though they were labelled as fresh practice etc. Finally found a genuine "fresh blind practice" PF and had fun for about 2 hours, but still, it's crazy how strict people are. I can't do statics however because my work schedules are never consistent week to week.
I never got into Raiding big time, but I do know that I found my EX Trial static only because I dared to use Party Finder, and made a good impression while running Suzaku EX. It's a risk versus reward thing. You can meet disappointment, but you can also be greatly rewarded if you're lucky.
The best I found is a twitch streamer but they weren't streaming the fight. I got a picture instead though.
it was your channel that got me excited to try out high end content while it's still current. Had such a blast with Ex1 parties in PF. I do want to complete ex2 and get the weapon ready to help make the raids a bit easier and I can spend my tomes on other things. But even with ex trials, I find it difficult to find a party that can get through the first couple phases and into the phase I'm looking to practice and learn. But for the most part, the experience of learning with a bunch of people who are also learning the fight is a really neat experience and getting through some mechanics and into the next phase is a really great feeling.
Thank you for making this video, i was clearing in PF before you made this vid and i only started doing it in EW but it encouraged me to find static and after 1 evening im very happy with doing that :)
Great video! Covers everything very well, especially when it comes to the raiding mindsets.
Great video Zepla, thanks for sharing all that advice. I want to do high end content, but have been hesitant because I don't have a ton of free scheduled time. Maybe, a casual group would be best!
Omg thank you! I've been struggling to find certain communities since swapping to ffxiv like blue mage, and ultimate raiding on crystal. I had no idea that the balance had a list of various discords for ever data center. This has helped so much
I do most things in this game, but I've never been that interested in doing the current savage content in any expansion. Reading many of the comments here is just confirming that this is a wise choice. I consider myself to be a good player after so many years in FFXIV, but I still don't want to expose myself to the level of scrutiny that apparently exists in Savage content. This game has always been my stress reliever, I don't want it to become a stress generator. lol
If I had a group of friends large enough to form a static where I knew it would be a chill experience, then I would try that. But alas, no one I know in real life is currently playing this game, and I haven't generated that close of bonds with anyone within the game.
statics tend to be the closest bonds, its living through that stress together what bonds you the most. i'd say try it, you might enjoy the challenges and the progress you make, however slow it may be.
Just wanted to say great job on this video. You covered pretty much everything between raiding in PF and statics.
Should have said âIf youâre new and want to give extreme trials a try, join a farming party. Theyâre great for learning and practice.â
You'd be sending them to the farm to be slaughtered like animals
personnaly im not afraid of harder content i simply cant deal with idiot anymore. i tried emerald weapon with a group that said ''blind fresh prog'' and 20 sec in the force a wipe and kick me out for not knowing the mechanic perfectly.. the ex was out 3h ago.. and that was the nicest ive seen in party finder
This is the first MMO I ever fully played. I been having this feeling to do High End Raids fresh from the patch. This helps me understand what I need to do. Thank you!
Good luck
First time Savage raider (Crystal DC) learning through Party Finder. Took a day to learn P2S mechanics and get to Enrage, but took another 2 days finding a group that could clear it. âClear Partiesâ that couldnât get to enrage, certain mechanics being messed up repeatedly. Definitely makes me want to look for a Static moving forward. Iâm having fun overall though, but it definitely gets frustrating to feel confident in a fight but not be able to get the clear with constantly changing groups.
This is why I stopped doing PF Savage/Extreme. I realized that I had wasted 8 hours with different groups that couldn't pass enrage and gave up. I doubt I'll ever have a static either. I wish I could do it, but I really don't want to waste so much time jumping group to group and getting 20x more failed duties that way
@@EtherealOblivion I just cleared the second extreme trail of endwalker. This is my first synced extreme trial. I was carried but i tried my best with the knowledge I had. Will practice more but it was very satisfying after 3 days of 2-4 hr practice/attempts. It can be frustrating when people are still learning but eventually you will get it. Your tribe is waiting.
So if you want to get through Party Finder and are trying to get your clear you have to be ruthless. It's okay for someone to mess up a mech once or twice, but you gotta cut the dead weight. If it is a clear party and you mess up before the final phase 3 or more times it is a kick.
I've had names I've recognized as being dead weight in ultimate PF in my savage raids and without fail those players are the ones holding the raid back. It sucks but some players consistently get carried through any of their clears and you might have to cut them out if you know and can clear the content.
Your first problem is raiding on Crystal.
@@vita2831 imagine thinking that aether or primal act any different đ
glad to hear the PF experience seem universal. This is my first raid tier and fourfold was just a pain to prog and find people who could actually look at their debuff. Once i found a group that knew how to actually look at their debuff for fourfold we cleared easilly. But geez passing through fourfold in PF was draining my sanity
Ya pretty much this.
There's that, and then what comes after (shining cells + intemp), which is a show of who's able to adapt from learning mechanics and who only just memorises fights on autopilot (and subsequently eats the floor when things get switched up a little).
This. I get some people need to learn, but when 7/8 people know what they are doing and one person consistently doesnât know what to do after being explained the mechanic multiple times⊠well thereâs only so many hours I can keep doing that over and over.
@@toriestrella This 100%. Dealing with people who don't adapt or learn was my hell.
I use to raid in a static a few years back but as I advance in life I realized that if I ever wanted to run in a static once again it would have to be on Fridays/Saturdays starting at 10pm central. Would it be recommended to attempt to create a static myself while looking for one that could fit my requirements since I have lil ones that need to be in bed to really focus?
Tbh, statics I've been in like to hate on PF people, but the truth is, since most PF people play solo, they don't rely on callouts and have more of a clue of the mechanics they need to do than the statics I've been in.
In short - this video is about why I have been avoiding Raiding. It isn't the difficulty of the content, it is the expected rate of progress and the way people respond when you are slower. The usual response to "I don't raid" is what you talk about at the start, the belief that it is the raw difficulty of the content. But my personal experience is what the video is about, and that leads to issues with statics as well.
I play this game since 2014, only in endwalker I got through my raid anxiety and got in a really nice group who are teaching me a lot of new stuff I wasnât even aware existed before. We cleared p1s, and will prog p2s soon and itâs been so much fun!
I live in party finder, but I spend more time going back to help groups in the content I've already cleared than I do increasing my own progress.
I probably have more hours in p1s post clear than pre clear.
Id love to try savage to get the cool looking gear for this expansion as ive always loved doing the hardest content. But being an adult now with a crazy work schedule i dont have time to get into a static to clear raids.
So party finder would have to be it for me but ive never done savage or extremes outside of soloing older stuff. I'd love to one day find a group of players to group with that can help me finally take that step into current expansion raiding.
You should definitely look into trying out the EX trials in PF. They are apparently not as hard as Savage content but in my experience can definitely give you the PF experience and maybe lead to some clears.
Just go for it on party finder! Start with the extreme trials to polish up your rotation skills and execution on mechanics then jump right into the first savage fight. It is a great introduction to being required to do a little more than extremes and is pretty easy to figure out through party finder. Savage raiding is extremely rewarding and enjoyable and you'll have a great time even if you don't find a static right away
Most of these fights are fairly manageable without a static, but learning the different mechanics can take a bit of time. If you've been doing the current extreme trials and can do those without dying and keeping up with your rotation fairly well, you're definitely ready to try savage.
Just join fresh prog groups in PF, everyone will wipe on the first mechanic and you'll feel right at home. Nobody expects anything in a fresh prog group. Just don't worry about it.
You can wait like 4 months out when lockout is removed and they add echo. That makes it a lot easier to get gear, especially if you run Alliance raids and get the Astronomy tomestone gear.
This is my first Savage tier, been doing it in PF and damn, I love it. Everything else seems so boring in comparison. If I can find a static, I hope to clear all the older High end content.
You're so spot on with PF xD
If im relatively new to the game and need to clear old raids, is the best way to do that through unsynced party finder? Or are there statics i can join that would help me?
21:54 thank you for bringing this up. I have 4 people in total who wants to start doing harder content. I didn't know partial statics were a thing.
We're still thinking about doing the EX trials.
It's totally viable and I can attest to that. I also have a partial static of 4 people, and using pf to fill we were able to clear P1S and do good prog on P2S yesterday. One thing thay REALLY helped is having a (throwaway) discord server so you can invite people that join on party finder.
If you state in your pf description that you wanna communicate through discord, you will probably get people that will join (even if they don't talk at all). From my experience, the ones that join voice chat tend to stay faaar longer than the ones that don't. And depending on how things go you can even grow your partial static and make more friends!
@@honorfist thanx for the extra enlightment. My group is a bit shy and anxious(including myself) but this is still a start. Especially if we'll be together.
Lots of useful info to consider, thanks!
I work third shift, so unfortunately I'm forced to raid in PF. This tier especially seems very difficult for PF groups. I have been a PF raider since ShB and especially for the last tier, it seemed much easier to get through. I know that PF can be a viable option, but I totally understand all of the frustrations that have been mentioned in this video. I have personally been one of those people who have put those "2 wipes = disband" because of the sheer frustration of hitting my head against the wall so many times. As far as a static goes, I don't think I can stand to be around the same people night after night as I am one of those "loner" types and don't gel well with most people lol
Literally my experience 100%, except the third shift part.
yeah you're absolutely right with the Outro, I think getting a CWLS of like-minded gamers is the best compromise between static vs. PF raiding. On the one hand, no one is expecting others to be on a tight or flexible schedule, and on the other hand, the players you have the opportunity to group up with will be familiar from previous EX farms, MINE, or just plain normal synced Savages.
I haven't done any savages yet, and have only done extremes unrestricted to farm mounts
However after seeing the savage warrior hammer I have to have it, so I will be giving it a go for that sweet sweet hammer
The only thing that prevent me from joining a static is that , most of them, will want you to use discord for voice calls, and that make me feel so nervous , it gives me anxiety.
Pelo seu nome eu imagino que vc seja brasileiro (ou portuguĂȘs hehe). Eu pessoalmente entrei pra uma semi static com gringos neste tier de raids, e fiquei um pouco nervoso pra falar no microfone em inglĂȘs no começo.
Se vocĂȘ nĂŁo se sente confortĂĄvel falando no discord, vc ainda pode participar das chamadas mutado. Assim pelo menos dĂĄ pra ouvir e participar da conversa, mesmo que vocĂȘ ainda tenha que digitar no chat. NĂŁo acho que seja um problema tĂŁo grande assim, desde que vocĂȘ mostre que estĂĄ ouvindo e participando (e claro, avise que vocĂȘ prefere nĂŁo falar desde cedo).
Claro que eu nĂŁo sei o seu nĂvel de inglĂȘs, e estou apenas assumindo que vocĂȘ sente ansiedade por falar com estranhos em outra lĂngua (talvez vocĂȘ nao queira entrar em chamadas por outros motivos que eu desconheça), mas eu pessoalmente estou me divertindo bastante conversando com meus amigos gringos, e eles sĂŁo uma otima forma de praticar inglĂȘs kkkk
Basicamente quero dizer que vale a pena tentar, porque raidar com pessoas que vocĂȘ conhece Ă© muito mais prazeroso.
If you communicate it beforehand, you can find static where you won't need to speak. I usually just listen with my static and type in chat, only when we're doing something on a side like Eureka and it's just 2-3 of us I'd speak. Never once did anyone complain or wanted me to speak. Unless you're a shot caller of course :D
@@honorfist o problema é o nervosismo e a ansiedade mesmo, e usar 120% do cérebro pra entender o pessoal da call e ainda fazer as mecùnicas das lutas.
fiz isso uma Ășnica vez em ucob e afetou minha performance na luta, atĂ© hoje nĂŁo sei como saiu uma clear ali kkkkk
I missed the prior series but i cleared E5S-E8S all in PF blind with a couple of friends, also got P1S boss to 30% in a couple of PF groups with the same friends. Key things here are friends, if you can grab 1-2 maybe even 3 or 4 that you trust to come into PF with you, itll make it so much more enjoyable and easier. Going in solo can be hell.
I've found great success in PF this expansion by simply making my own parties. Being able to request knowledge up to the same point in the fight that I currently know and otherwise set variables that work for me is very convenient. Additionally, I can just kick problem players. It's nice.
Same here, I've only just started using PFs for the endwalker extremes (my first ever extremes). At first i didnt know how to use PF or the lingo so i just joined others' but once I understood it was much easier to make my own, set my own expectations clearly and it's been great.
Practice groups are where it's at, I've been joining and creating practice groups since Stormblood. For the most part, they contain the most tempered and patient players who don't expect to get a kill; they're just looking to understand the mechanics and get the boss down as far as possible while helping others with what they may be having troubles with in an encounter. I think you should at least look up the bare minimum of the encounter before joining any PF group, but as long as you do that, don't be afraid to join a practice group. Since starting raiding in SB close to half of my groups have actually downed bosses. My groups have lasted a couple hours with people dropping out if they had time constraints, and I try to make sure I explain everything I'm saying here in the PF description. Basically "Practice (raid), don't tilt, have fun."
As a somewhat new player I'm still learning the useful websites and discord channels for better myself in the game. This Discord channel The Balance is amazing and so detailed! Thank you very much!
Yo Zepla how dou u like that PRS? I love mine that I just got
My honest answer to this is, if you can master mechanics instantly, then use party finder, no one can be toxic or blame you for any mess ups.
But if you gotta learn, honestly wouldn't recommend party finder, you will likely get kicked or something.
honestly not blaming streamers, but it's rare a streamer will encounter this issue, compared to a non streamer who will encounter it a lot more.
I just find party finder toxic.
I did Diamond Weapon in PF at the end of Shadowbringers as my first EX trial and enjoyed it so I decided I would try to do all the EX trials in Endwalker, then after having so much fun doing them I got the urge to try dipping into savage. I had a really great first experience doing P1S with a friendly and helpful group, and after a couple of lockouts (some more productive than others) with a few groups I was able to clear the next day :) Very excited to try P2S!
i had multiple bad experiences with toxic statics that caused me to avoid them for the longest time but you inspired me to give it another shot
i found a great new group to work with to learn, well, the game. while i've been playing for a few months, i haven't been involved with blind content, so i figured i might as well join PF to see what's good. the first group i joined for HEx has been a blessing, they're all really cool people, all chill, all willing to do random content, and most importantly, all willing to teach and learn.
I used the duty finder to do my first ever raid in FFXIV yesterday. It was Labyrinth of the Ancients (I'm level 55 at the moment), which is required to get to my next ARR MSQ. It was terrifying! I'm pretty sure I died more than anyone else and I didn't know how to tell what group I was in so I just kinda went anywhere until near the end lol, but it was still super fun! Everyone was really nice and literally no toxicity at all, from my pov anyway. I could maybe see how the joking side bets on the amount of deaths in each encounter could be seen as toxic lol but it seemed like it was all light hearted to me. Only one wipe!
Ugh! I have to raid in ARR?? NOOOoooooo
â@@PrimeReal It wasn't as difficult as I was expecting. Sort of felt like two dungeons put together and with more people. And since there are so many people it's pretty easy to see what you have to do even if you know nothing going in. Nothing to worry about!
19:18 This is definitely true. Not only for the hardcore-minded person in a casual group, but for the casual people in it too! I'm casual minded for raiding, I really just want to get better and get a clear in a non-stressful way and slowly work my way towards being more hardcore about it in the future. When there's someone making comments like "oh my parse i garbage, I'm not even doing any damage, I just screwed my rotation I'm so bad at this"...when the person is doing fine for prog in a casual minded group it's really frustrating to hear. I really have to stop myself from starting a fight and asking them to shut up about their parse when I'm trying to learn mechanics and not even thinking about damage yet. The majority of people must be following the same mindset for it to work, else it's going to turn it into a job showing up every week to prog and have to deal with this, and that's not what a casual group is looking for.
Nah sorry, if you can't learn a mechanic while keeping a stable(not saying perfect) rotation and dps output, then you're in the wrong content.
You can learn how to do that in Extreme trials then come up and play with the big girls and boys in Savage tier after you're competent.
Savage and Ultimate tiers are for the top 10-15% of players, not for the masses and certainly not for those just "wanna give it a go. see what happens"
@@Reinforce_Zwei thank god you're not in my group. Missing the point of my post and Zepla's video entirely and assuming stuff I didn't even say. You're not better than anyone else for clearing Savage content, gatekeeping it is not the best way to feel better about yourself. Try therapy.
@@Reinforce_Zwei that is so unkind, people have to give it a try to see if they like it. What a toxic mindset
@@Reinforce_Zwei Nah. Have you done P1S? The damage check in that is basically non-existent. Which it should be, because it's the intro to savage raids for most people. P3S+ sure. But if people are getting there, they've generally learned how to do mechanics and dps.
Sit in queue, wait for group to fill, 2 people leave mid recruit, full party and do one pull. repeat
hey Zep, if you've got some advice for me.
I would like to attempt some raiding, but I have a horrible time using party finder. My groups almost always have people leaving after 3 or 4 wipes, combined with taking 30ish minutes to fill, this means I spend at least 70% of any raiding/extreme attempt waiting for people, and this is deeply frustrating.
I've tried asking around on Discord to join or form a static, but it never seems to go anywhere. People stop responding, don't show up, delete their discord account randomly. etc.
I just do not understand what I'm doing wrong.
You're not doing anything wrong. People are not very patient right now and everyone is frustrated. Right now, my best strat is to list the party as "disband after 3 wipes to early mechanics." It tends to attract more serious players. However, you'll still spend 30-40 minutes waiting for a party to fill.
I've been thinking about gearing out my tank because that tends to be the shortage right now, but I haven't actually gone through with that. Overall, I think the experience is just really bad right now.
People are flakes and want to be carried if they can get away with it. Itâs not you. Keep trying, be honest and be yourself.
This is strictly talking about pf on EU servers, I am told quality of pf players on JP and NA tends to be a lot higher.
If you want to beat all raids week 1, then I would ask you another question. Would you or do you enter lotteries?
If you answered yes, then pf is for you
If you answered no, get a static
I was keeping my eye on pf week 1 to see their progress out of curiousity (despite being in a static), by around thursday there was still 0 p4s pf's in sight whenever i checked and all I could see was p3s practise parties or lower. After I killed p4s on the Sunday literally there was just 2 p4s pfs and both were phase 1 practise parties. I didn't start seeing p4s kill pfs until week 2, and even then there was only 1 or 2 of them. This is basically why I say, getting a p4s kill in pf week 1 is gonna be like a lottery, the chance that you actually get into one on your role before somebody else + actually have enough luck to get a good enough team to kill it are about the same as it would be to win a lottery.
Assuming you don't care about getting all kills week 1, then pf isn't bad if you make yourself the pf leader and just kick the people that are cucking your group
got a really nice pf group. ALL of them flamed the reaper because he was doing only 1k dps. Well yeah thats really bad. But i never saw people so bolt that they pointed out exact dps numbers and told him about act lmao.
This is getting worse since a few months i wouldnt be suprised if addons will get looked into more by SE
How is it possible to do 1k Dps on reaper ? ....I play ninja and if I push one button I do 1300 lol
@@Caliban743 you should still be able to do at least 2-3k if you know your rotation even with being dead ....it sounds like this person is dying AND pressing one button lol
I mean someone needs to tell him that he is doing something wrong i mean common 1k ? That sounds like a classic boosted player who doesnât read his tools and want to be carried
such a good video, thanks Zepla ^^
This is a very encouraging video and for the right reasons and mindset.
If u want to clear the content the fastest go through party finder. The main reason is you can move on to the ânext phaseâ when your ready, leaving the other players behind. You also have full control on the time you invest. In static groups you are limited to the schedule of your group. Clearing fights here for me always feel under whelming, its usually more like âabout timeâ then it is âi did itâ
If you want to have fun do it in a static its a very intimate process of teaching a peer a fight, figuring out strats with a group, questioning why dps checks arent hit. When you achieve in the win in statics you cheer, you hollar, you talk about the achievement on how x and y saved the fight or almost wiped the attempt.
My own opinion obviously, my group does statics and pugs after the last raid day for anyone who is gear hungry or impatient. This usually makes the journey easier for our less performing players as the puggers come back with strats or gear.
So glad I have a static this time around. NA PF is a dumpster fire
i have done the whole tier in pf it was cool and a good experience (p4s dps check in pf kinda crazy though..)
That clip from Indiana Jones made me laugh. It's such a beautiful depiction of getting hooked on playing Wow :D
I only recently started using PF and haven't really run into too many issues, but I did eventually stop prog on the Extremes despite getting about 2/3 through because I get easily stressed when I feel like I'm letting down the group, but am also really slow at learning the fights. I might try and find a static for that reason alone, but outiside of doing those Extremes, I've really enjoyed using the PF.
Havenât used PF at all yet. I used DF to Q for Savage raids and they have been fine with no leavers, multiple sprouts including myself. Granted they were the ARR Savages. Garuda, Ifrit, King Mog, Ultimas Ballad. We were lucky to have patient mentors or just people willing to teach but we cleared all of them, though got close on time for King Mog. Really fun and looking forward to doing more Savages.
i cleared p1s 1st day in pf took 15 hours not all playing just 15 hours in game from when i got in till clear. after that i started looking for a static and found one. we dont raid to many hours like i would but i rather have a stable group that will work together then keep jumping from PF to PF.
I must be blind, because I don't see the 'various server listings' channel when I go to the balance discord. Anyone know if I need to get permissions to access it or something along those lines? Thanks for any help!
I will never be a raider - playing on controller where my double crossbars mean I press the wrong buttons if I don't double tap the trigger correctly. I also don't have the brain capacity to be on 100% the entire fights, so mistakes are inevitible. Like, I can know the mechanics inside and out and still mess up and to be the one that causes raid wipes is so terrifying that I'd never want to bother a group with my less than stellar skills. And that's not unwarranted fear - I've done extreme farms and been bitched out of about half of them for weighing the group down.
Plus, I'm not like the Soulsborne players that love doing a boss battle over and over for hours/days until I succeed. I get too frustrated with that.
So I applaud you and all the raiders who can stick out all these tough fights.
i dk every time i join a party for savage they give me shit bc i dont know the mechanics and yep all those times where prog and learning partyes or at least they said so thats why i spot trying savage i dont wanna waste others times bc i dont have the skill to learn the fights super fast with just watching a few videos in fact that was one of the main reasons i got burned by the game bc its sad how im stuck wanting to do some content but no one wanna play in a slow pase bc happened i dont know the fight and also i dont have a high level bc i cant play all day -_-
true that
Thanks to your streams I did extreme fairly easy and decided to try savage content. I went the PF route since statics on discord didn't work with my schedule. I learned a ton BUT the process has been quite tedious. Everytime someone has a different strat, I have to learn something new to adjust to the group. So now I am looking for a static again LOL. PF is good but not the greatest.
my static couldn't even clear p1s this week after 3 days of prog...I went alone in pf and cleared in 2 hours....
even I already have static, I still use PF for practice, so I can learn from other static/people how to solve the mech . so when you run the raid with your static, you can share what you experienced from the Party finder... sometime there are players who already cleared the raids but want to help the fresh... and ofcourse, no clear from party finder, since you need to clear the raid with your static for extra loot. sometime we find better strategy from party finder, like Uptime strat channeling flow 1 P2S... etc
I feel like learning parties on PF can be the toughest because people just dont seem to be able to coordinate well, and often times don't even watch guides when they are available. But recently when I have joined parties that lock you out if you havent cleared before (and advertise themselves as farm parties) then usually things go alright. What puts me off the most about PF is just people with bad attitudes, cuz it feels like there's always at least one. And I get that spending a lot of time in PF can make you irritable but idk... I usually just leave when someone is rude.
On Crystal it's a mix bag. You might get a good group you might not.
This is my first expansion being caught up and blind progging Savage (in PF) and I'm having a blast! I get around the problem of having limited reaper spots by creating my own PF and/or playing my old main DRG.
Met a sage and yesterday in the clear party another tank who stayed after practice to chat and we're gonna keep going together with another friend of mine. If they're up for it, I could imagine forming a static with them at some point! Never expected this to happen, but what I want to say is: If you're nice to people and communicate in party finder, some of these days you will find people that want to do the same and usually they stick around!
Can't static because I work on a 7 on 7 off schedule of 12 hr shifts right now, and I doubt any static is gonna want to run bi-weekly. But i've gotten through P1S, and P2S on PF. Learning 3 now and I've had a really positive experience. Most parties have been very chill and nice.
She's trying her hardest but everything Zepla says convinces me even more that I will never get into raiding. đ
But she is talking about savage raiding, which is almoat the hardest content. Normal raids are fairly accesible, you should try them at least for the story
Tried but some of the people on my data center has stupid high Ilvl requirements which make it impossible unless you have full crafted gear, that has always pissed me off about the trials! People act like you need BIS, you need specific comps. This massive exaggeration is why most people donât do it when in reality people have cleared it without all that crap. People that overrate BIS and party comps and so on canât bare the fact that itâs all just fluff hence why they require it
I don't have the time for trying out savage, but PF has been very useful for getting gear from EX trials.
i was pretty scared to get into the current extreme trials but i used party finder to learn and clear EX 2 and it was so much fun
Party experience has been good, we even titled groups "clear for a friend" and man, some players were salty and impatient.. Well, they can feel free to search for another group :) I love everything about trials, that includes messing up. Real life is too rough for me to care what happens in a video game, but good for anyone who has the left over energy to spend on raging in an mmo, though the can do that outside of my group
In current EX I've used nothing but party finder. My third run of EX2 took 3 hours to clear eeking out a win with half a second to endrage on the final run. We were all excited and I got the mount for that fight.
I had my first PF raiding experience a few days ago where it was for E8S. Old content for sure, but I want to do all the old content since I joined while ShB was wrapping up and am just now finishing it.
It went surprisingly well! The fight is really hard, but I had a lot of fun learning it. The downside... is that people kept dropping every 30 minutes or hour in, and we kept getting people who, like me, were doing it for the first time. Which on one hand is great that people are interested in old content, but it really halted progress. We went on for three and a half hours and made it past the halfway point of the fight one time. The party leader and I are friends in game now, and I hope to give it another try with them in the future.
Sadly, my work schedule is COMPLETELY inconsistent, so I don't think a static will work for me right now. I'm excited to eventually get to the point of doing current content raiding, getting a static, and hopefully going back to do old content together, too.
Ty for the video. It made me feel a lot better after that frustrating end to my PF experience lol. I think I need to be more patient and maybe hold off on really digging in until I catch up and join a static, and I'll enjoy that way more.
Progging in Crystal is absolute... Terrible. People cannot get past the basic mechanics on savage. I haven't been able to clear P2S in two days despite being at enrage because no matter what party it is, it's just Limit Cut. I honestly feel extremely discouraged and tired... Wanna give up raiding because my work doesn't allow a static and PF is just... Im just tired....
FFXIV: Painfinder will be the next expansion
Iâve only ever pfâEd extremes. Itâs hit or miss. Enjoying the tier though. Progging p3s.
I did Edens promise using PF, it's a double edged sword. You either get a super chill party or party that are a bunch of creeps after one wipe. Just gotta take it as it comes
can you please link that discord channel for static?
My problem with raiding is the time commitment. Back in 2005 I could raid 6 nights of week to try and progress in WoW raids but now I have 3 kids and less time. I am curious what accessibility is there for raiding in 14 for a more casual gamer.
make your own static and decide how many days a week you're gonna come online and at what time!I understand this issue as this is what's stopping me from being in my old static,I can only raid late night and not every single day..so making your own static with your own schedule should help.
Im so glad that in Ligh DC we have a great Ultimate pug community
She's right that the quality of players in party finder is much better the earlier you do it. I hear a lot of horror stories about P3S in party finder but I was fortunate to clear it relatively quickly with a good pf group. After that, there was a very small group of people actively trying to clear P4S in party finder and they were generally really good players. I was able to get the clear for P4S in party finder but it was honestly closer to a temporary static with some rotating members because of how small the population was.
The dps checks on P4S are tight enough that you need basically zero deaths or damage downs even with pentamelded gear and yet the pf group I was in was consistently getting to phase 2 within 2-3 pulls every time so we always had 100+ minute instances to practice phase 2. I can't imagine a pf group being that consistent near the end of a raid tier.